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Old 01-15-2007, 03:48 PM   #1
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Food Coupons & Rationing during the Soviet Union (buying food, long lines, etc.)

Hi Everyone,

Because of another thread, I thought it would be interesting to create a thread about using food coupons in the Soviet Union.

When were they used?

What kinds of lines were there?

What items were you able to purchase with a food coupon?

Were there times when you had a food coupon, but the item was not available?

I have attached a photo of a food coupon below...
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long Soviet food lines pre-1976

Here is something interesting that I found online about food rationing and food coupons:

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"The only real taste of stoical shopping vigils in recent American history were the pre-dawn lines at service stations during the gasoline crisis in the winter of 1973-4... But it was temporary and only for one item. Imagine it across the board, all the time, and you realize that Soviet shopping is like a year-round Christmas rush. The accepted norm is that the Soviet woman daily spends two hours in line, seven days a week. . . I noted in the Soviet press that Russians spend 30 billion man-hours in line annually to make purchases.... 30 billion man-hours alone is enough to keep 15 million workers busy year-round on a 40-hour week."

-from "The Russians" (Quadrangle/The New York Times Book Co., 1976), by Hedrick Smith, p. 64.


So, since the book was published in 1976, it seems that Soviet people did have to stand in line to get their rations of food. I don't know whether they used ration coupons at that time or not.
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1991 vodka rationing coupon for Moscow (for 3 months)

Here is a 3 month vodka rationing coupon for Moscow from 1991...
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Examples of Rationing and Food shortages in the Soviet Union from 1989-1991

Here are some headlines and exerpts about food shortages and food rationing in the Soviet Union from the New York Times, that give a sense of rationing and shortages that took placed from 1989-1991:


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Moscow's Mayor Begins Rationing of Basic Food

November 6, 1991, Wednesday

By FRANCIS X. CLINES, (Special to The New York Times); Foreign Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 10, Column 1, 1089 words

With panic shopping sweeping the city in anticipation of a switch to free-market prices, the Mayor of Moscow announced a coupon rationing system today on the most basic foods: bread, meat, butter and eggs. "The coupons will create some stability in regard to prices," Mayor Gavriil K. Popov said, ...


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In Moscow, Cigarette Addicts Will Get Just Half Pack a Day

August 29, 1990, Wednesday

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Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 2, Column 3, 400 words

Facing a tobacco shortage that has produced street protests and riots in some cities, Moscow's City Council decided today to ration cigarettes starting this Saturday. Facing a tobacco shortage that has produced street protests and riots in some cities, Moscow's City Council decided today to ration cigarettes starting ...



It seems that in 1989, sugar was rationed for the first time since 1945...

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Moscow Rations Sugar, a First Since '45

April 13, 1989, Thursday

By FRANCIS X. CLINES, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (NYT); Foreign Desk
Late City Final Edition, Section A, Page 3, Column 4, 672 words

Because of a nationwide sugar shortage, the Government will resort to issuing ration coupons in Moscow for the first time since World War II. Because of a nationwide sugar shortage, the Government will resort to issuing ration coupons in Moscow for the first time since World War II. ...

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Here is something interesting that I found online about food rationing and food coupons:



So, since the book was published in 1976, it seems that Soviet people did have to stand in line to get their rations of food. I don't know whether they used ration coupons at that time or not.



I think this interpretation is a little mistaken, SufiPoet. When people were waiting in line, it wasn't because food was rationed. Food was available, for the most part (but for certain regions at times). Rather, the lines were the result of the very ineffiecient manner in which foodstuffs, and everything else, in fact, were distributed. If one wanted to buy anything from the state which people generally needed or wanted, one waited in a line. Also, in the 1970's, there were no cash registers. Totals were counted by abacus.

In big cities, there were markets in every part of the city. My MIL, for example, who was retired, would get up to be at the market when it opened in the morning. She knew which market in her area was the best for fresh produce. It still took over an hour to complete her shopping, after she'd waited for milk, for cheese, for vegetables. But there usually were no lines at the bakery, and people bought fresh bread almost daily. The other foods were all available, but one had to wait in line for long periods to buy them. Smaller centers also had markets, but not as many.

I remember passing a line in Moscow in the mid 1980's that must have been over 3 hours long. The store had received a shipment of bananas, a rarity in the Slavic republics. With foodstuffs, people generally didn't know a shipment of a particular food would appear - you happen to walk past a shop and see that it has something you want. Women, in particular (but some men, as well) always carried mesh bags so that they could pick something up if they happened across something interesting. There were certain foods that Soviets didn't see which were common in the West because they weren't indigenous, but during the 1970's, there was a great deal of trade with India and Arab countries, and Soviets received all sorts of products which at that time, were pretty exotic in the West (such as halva and very fine teas which normally are not exported).


With certain products (at times during so called "perestroika" in Ukraine, toothpaste), the product disappeared, then would reappear. So, if one was a smart shopper, one would buy a year's supply, just so that you don't have to stand in that line again. That at times meant the product would be gone before the whole line was served.

The "shortages" in the last gasps of the USSR were, I have no doubt, artificially created in order to irritate the population. There were different shortages in different places. In Russia, there were shortages of tea and sugar; Russia has a "cult" of tea - far more than Ukraine. In Ukraine, tomato paste disappeared in late August, when people start making borshch for winter. In Ukraine, there was also a "shortage" of sugar, timed to coincide with the period homebrewing activities increase. There were tobacco shortages all over, but they rotated. In Lviv, cigarettes were in short supply, but available in Kyiv. A week later, they could not be purchased in Kyiv but were available in Moscow. All these things I witnessed. At about that time, Soviet news started glorifying Pinochet. The plan to crackdown and enforce a Pinochet-type regime (for its "economic gains") has since been disclosed by Bukovsky. So, nothing is as it seems.

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