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Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

hello everyone,
kilowatt 4pwr here. i would like to share an experience that has recently come to a head. For the past 2 years, i have been e-mailing real beauty in stavropol. Kept up the e-mail. Sent her some perfume, few items from Victoria secret. Nothing Major. Flowers on her birthday. Womens day. supposed to meet. told her i would meet in budapest. She was head strong on istanbul . Told her, no. High terror alert for travelling americans. So, now the real clincher. She tells me she needs visa for Hungary and I asked her what kind of funds is it?? She says 280 dollars for visa !!I say nothing and I keep telling via e-mail that i am looking at vacations deals for May. In her responce is neutral. Finally, I pay 2900 dollars for my flight and 2 weeks in budapest. All through the months of december and january, I am telling her the dates and if there is a problem , let me know. febuary 9th rolls around and she tell me that she is suprised that I have done this without asking her the dates. Far from the truth, I mentioned those dates numerous times and she said nothing about not being able to go. But now, she has to go to nizhiy novgorod on feb.10 and possibly be there for 2 to 4 months. I sent her 5 e-mails and received no answer. I was wondering, can people access the internet cafe if she is up there and the internet cafe where her account is, is in stavropol. It seems very odd to me that all of a sudden she disappears after 2 years of writing me. whats even more odd is that she sent me gifts. ****s, calenders etc. DOES THIS SMELL LIKE SCAM TO YOU ALL??
I amsort of a little heartbroken. She says nothing about dates may 6th to may 20th. Then she pulls out of meeting me. I have heard nothing since feb. 10th. Anyone with any advise would be of confort to me. As I am 52 and look 38 and my trust has been burned. I guess some russian women do not end anything decently. I at least deserved that. THX again for listening and maybe helping me .
kilowatt4pwr.

Posted by: Leprechaun

Hi Kilowatt, welcome to the forums, sorry to hear you are having a rough one.

Ive heard of scammers dragging people along for some time, but for 2 years, as a scammer I would have given up on you months ago, It is strange though that she said she knew nothing of the dates, thats a red flag in one form or another.

Its strange that you have been writing for 2 years, yet never met her, am I right?
If so why not?

yes she can access email, there is net cafes there and affordable. Have you no telephone number for her?

It seems theres many things in your story that are different from the way the majority here have done things, so its tough to comment.

She hasnt replied for 3 months, to me its sound like she finished with you. Im sorry im not a better comfort but if this is the case then you must learn to seize a moment, you may have lost your chance, maybe now she is seeing another man that did grab the bull by the horns.

I could be way off, it a real tough one.

Dont let your trust be burned, theres lots of genuine ladies there.

Posted by: Cheburashka

Welcome Kilowatt.

There are a couple of things you said that spur a comment in me, so here goes.

Would a scammer keep writing to you for two years? Absolutely! She is getting gifts out of the deal. Isn’t that worth a few emails?

Why have you waited so long to go see her? And why don’t you go to Stavropol? It is amazing how many scammers drop off the face of the Earth when someone is coming into their home town. If you are going to be in Budapest, here’s my advice. Enjoy that amazing city. It is gorgeous, and lots of fun. Grab a cheap flight, get a visa, and meet her in NN. It’s a big city and there is plenty to do there. You are already out 3 grand; you might as well pony up a few more hundred to see the woman you love.

My gut feeling is that you offer to meet her there, she will suddenly vanish. And you will probably meet some gorgeous and very interesting lady in Budapest anyway.

Good luck!

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Hey ya all,
thanks for the tips. 1st- this woman danced right out of this trip to budapest all of a sudden. expedia.com refunded all of my money. Had insurance. The story of her father being ill . I know he is, but she informs me that she would be in NG for 4 months at the last minute knowing that she would be in Budapest with me. I had this wonderful tour planned and all. as to the question of stavropol. Delayed flights to and from that city would have me in flight and out of it in Moscow not knowing a word of Russian. I do, but not enought to get to the airport that takes me to Stavropol. Open Game. Now , if she would of met me in NG or Moscow, ... I even offered to 1st class train her up to meet me. She danced again.Now with her sending me gifts, whats up with that? She dropped out of sight when I mentioned telephone. i called on Valentine's day last year and she thanked me for the gifts, then tells me e-mail because she does not like talking on the phone>LOLOLMy fault. I should have burned it right there knowing she was BS. I gave the benefit of the doubt on her behalf and she choked. Oh, well. COME SE COME SA. Thanks you guys for all the tips . I need help. I know I have been dumped. I treated her really nice. ROSES. LANCOME. What comes around, goes around. Got her info on Elen's models. Any one have any info on them ??
THX YA ALL
Kilowatt4pwr.

Posted by: AkMike

It sounds to me like you hooked up with a bored housewife looking for a long distance thrill. Next time meet them (much sooner)in their home town and see how they are around their friends and family.
Keep looking and better luck with the next one!

Posted by: Chrismc

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She dropped out of sight when I mentioned telephone. i called on Valentine's day last year and she thanked me for the gifts, then tells me e-mail because she does not like talking on the phone

Most honest women I know from FSU love it if you call them, there are too many red flags here, you should have offered to go and see here as soon as possible, again honest women love this.

Sorry but I am with the others, even if she is not a scammer, I would have moved on by now.

Start again, there are thousands more out there waiting for you to get in touch!!

Chris

Posted by: GREGK

I was corresponding with a woman from Tver and thought things were progressing fine. With no warning she decided I was not for her (as it came closer to the time that I had planned to travel there). Some RW are not sincere and it is difficult to trust another after you get treated like that.

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Hey guys,
yep, it all ads up. You guys are right about going to see her. I was involved in a federal lawsuit due to an injury at the post office and I had to go to school and then 7 months to get job. They checked on me every week. I could not breathe or skip town and blow my retirement benefits. The feds love when guys fail to cooperate fully. There was a couple of things I forgot to mention. On feb. 9th, she tells me she is overwhelmed on this victoria secret item. So, I call My account with them and then I e-mail her back and tell her that item was purchased in Jan. 2005. Thats when I told her that I can get a flight on lufthansa to Nizhiy Novgorod. I said I wanted to meet her father. That is the week, feb 9th when I last heard of her. Any one know of other 1st class websites other thanElen's models. Thats her name by the way and that is where I found her. She will be dealt with. One slip on her little business empire and she can wind up in a sling. I hope so. Russian Rat. They want dept. stores not husbands. The ole who song. WON"T GET FOOLED AGAIN. THX everyone for the truth and support. I am hurt a little still, but she can go drown. She sent me lots gifts. Do scammers send guys gifts ?

Posted by: AkMike

Scammers never send anything. It's always take.
IMO you dropped the ball by not seeing her much earlier. You shouldn't have started something til you were ready for it and from the sound of the legal problems you were'nt ready to go meet her.

Posted by: Chrismc

KW I am not totally sure she was/is a scammmer, personally I think she has met someone else and they have been to see her and maybe she thinks if she kept you hanmging on a bit she would get a few more prezzies etc and maybe you would eventually go and see her and if you were better then the previous guy then great.

But I agree with AK the time she has waited is far too long, someone else has jumped ahead of you in the queu!! Remember Actions speak louder than words!! Even if you are the greatest guy in the world, how does she know you will ever visit her?? there are thousands of guys writing who never visit!!! the guy who goes may not be half the man you are, but guess what, his actions spoke volumes for him as a person she maybe can rely on.

Another guy here has already said his lady wrote to hundreds of guys, and she came back to him simply because he has sent her a small gift and went to visit, the others were out of the picture after that!!

If you start again, I think you need to make sure you are in a position to visit within 3-4 months of things starting to go well.

Just my opinion
Chris

Posted by: Ms.Smarty Pants

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

If you start again, I think you need to make sure you are in a position to visit within 3-4 months of things starting to go well.

I am sorry to hear about your problems. I am not sure about scam here. Unfortunately, you lost this woman. It is true. Reall good woman doesnt like to have internet connection with man so long time. Two years! Why? And what for? I guess, you need to start looking for your woman from beginning.
Good luck!

Posted by: SeekingForThe1

Dear KW4PWR,

Very sorry to hear about your woman going bad on you. Like everyone else it sounds strange that a woman would stay with you for so long and be a scammer, but every lady is different in thier approach.

I believe also since you were giving her gifts she stayed around. Then as soon as you were really going to meet her, she left. It can be a cruel, cruel world when people pray on others emotions like that, but you now have learned much from this experience and you should be better prepared for your next FW. I hope you keep reading all the information available on this site.

I am also very shocked that this person was on the elenasmodel website. I have read many top reviews from this site. In fact it is known for being one of the best international websites around. Have you reported this lady to the website administrator.

I too believe that I have been in contact with more than one scammer and I am still in contact at this time with them, but I have done my homework and have researched the internet many hours to become aware of possible scams. My problem is they have never asked for money, giving me thier address, (maybe), say they want to talk on the phone, but never call. Right now all I am investing is a little time and usually the longer they stay the less doubts you have.

I hope that your next adventure is more seccessful!!!

Corey J :mgcwand:

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

It's hard to say what really happened here, whether it was some lomg-term scam, or she met somebody else, or whatever......however, it brings back memories.....I was writing to a Russian woman who also, just before I was due to go and meet her, had a medical emergency for her father that meant she'd be out of town at the time my trip was planned!!!!

Of course, I didn't cancel my trip, but went anyway, and it was the best bloody thing I've ever done

Good luck in the future,

Ade

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Hey ADE,
yep, thats exactly what this woman pulled. Told her in repeated e-mails my dates of trip. Told her december 4th that it was a done deal . Paid for everything in budapest. Then feb 9th, she pulls the it came as quite a shock to me. Why did you not discuss the dates?? sent 10 emails with the dates. Bla Bla Bla. I find it very strange that this so-called woman of mine has been on websites for 3 years or longer and not even engaged. Something up. As to my failing to go sooner, I screwed that up but was involved in a federal rehab training and and big settlement with the federal government. She told me ok, come when you can. I booked trip and she punked just like I knew she would. Those girls over there have been supressed in the maybe goodie dept. She don't need a husband just a dept store to marry.
Take easy everyone. I am chillin and spillin and makin a killin on a villian.WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.

KILOWATT4PWR

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Hi all,
Kilowatt4pwr here again,
something CHEB said how amazing it is when you mention visiting how fast the scammer disappears.Proven fact, I screwed up by not visiting sooner. Told her I would make the wait worth it as i was involved in a fed lawsuit case. Injurty. anyway, thats right I should have not started what I could not finish. Well, I informed my beauty that I wanted her to send me her number from Nixhiy Novgorod at fathers where she said she was leaving for Feb 9th. On top of that, I told her that I was ready to book flight immediately to that location to finally meet. Never heard from her again.
I was ready to call her up there, and fly there. Now, I am wondering even if she really went there. she never said anything about a 2 to 4 month visit until 2 months after I had purchased Budapest trip. I learned alot from this. Believe me. THX Ya all for the constructive advise. I am not perfect in the sense of putting the rats together. Gotta say, out of all the internet scam queens from world destinations, the russians are the queens of it. to bad they ruin for good women over ther. JEEZ.
Peace and love to all

KILOWATT4PWR

Posted by: dagpop

Kilowatt,when your lady told you not to call her,it would send a red flag to me.I am sorry you got strung along for so long.I hope your next lady will treat you better.

Posted by: Ms.Smarty Pants

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Originally Posted by dagpop

Kilowatt,when your lady told you not to call her,it would send a red flag to me.

100%!!!

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Thx Dagpop for the kind words. I stepped up to the plate late with the visit to Europe but I have had time to think it all out. You are right. when i called on Valentine's day, she was not exactly in the mood that matched her letters. Told me she did not like talking on the phone. So, I figured, ok, a few bathrobes and makeup kits later, she would meet me in Budapest. Then, the usual. Cannot go there. Meet me in istanbul. Funny, Istanbul is on high terrorist alert for americans. I would not go there to meet the virgin mary. However, I would like to make note that some of these girls are not just money scammers. Big time gift scammers as well. My refusal to go to Turkey ended the whole thing. I was accused of deciding Budapest on my own without considering her feelings. I told her all along before the purchas and all of december and january. It is best. God works in funny ways. I trust him but after being ditched with no nothing to tell me, I was a little burned. Chalk it up to experience. THX for the nice words. No gifts for no one unless they outright belong to my heart in person. Period.

THX FOR READING MY MESS
KILOWATT4PWR BURNS BRIGHTER THAN BEFORE

Posted by: dagpop

Kilowatt,I know it hurts right now,but you need to pull yourself up and find that woman that is true blue.They are out there.Rima is very loyal and a very sincere woman.The first experience I had with a Russian woman was a scammer.I can relate to your feelings.I accepted it and moved on.On the second try I found Rima and I am the happiest man in the world.Your second try might be your wife.Rima was my second try and is going to be my wife.

Best of luck!

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Hello all,
kilowatt4pwr here. i was wondering if anyone knew exactly how much money it cost for a woman in russia to get a visa to Hungary. In my review of past letters, I asked girl how much does a visa cost to go there and how much. I was told it cost a lot of money. Like 280 dollars ? Can anyone find out and tell me ? I was just curious thats all. I forgot to mention it in my forum. This would be the figure I was e-mailed and told it would cost her from stavropol to Budapest. Naturally, I did not send it. If anyone could tell me the real amount or was she telling me the truth.

THX
Kilowatt4pwr

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by kilowatt4pwr

Hello all,
kilowatt4pwr here. i was wondering if anyone knew exactly how much money it cost for a woman in russia to get a visa to Hungary. In my review of past letters, I asked girl how much does a visa cost to go there and how much. I was told it cost a lot of money. Like 280 dollars ? Can anyone find out and tell me ? I was just curious thats all. I forgot to mention it in my forum. This would be the figure I was e-mailed and told it would cost her from stavropol to Budapest. Naturally, I did not send it. If anyone could tell me the real amount or was she telling me the truth.

THX
Kilowatt4pwr

Mate, that sounds way too expensive! My vise to the Ukraine only cost $65AUD which is a little less than $50USD. I can't answer your question exactly but if you use the internet, you could find the answer to your question. The kind of $$ you are talking about, assuming you are talking $US is pure scam through and through in any language.

Forget about women coming to meet you, don't worry about the cost of their Visa's, go meet them, then you know they are real and the only visa cost to worry about is the one you have to buy!!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I would say that is WAY TO HIGH!!! My Visa to Russia was about $100 cheaper and I thought that was high. I was told Russia raised their Visa rates in May by $50.

Hang in there,
GTR

Posted by: firemansam

Ok Kilo, I've done some home work for you...

from the net I've found for Hungary.....

Types of visa and cost
All visas, regardless of type and duration of stay allocated, cost US$43 However, long-term visas cost US$60 Multiple-entry visas are only valid for business travelers and for those possessing a long-term visa. Visas for children under seven years, or school children (elementary and high school) traveling in a group of five or more persons on a shool trip, cost US$22

Although many countries do not need a visa, those that do (including Russians) the above would be true.
Hope this helps,
Sam.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Thanks for verifying all of our suspicions FS. The next time someone tells me Aussies are good for nothing, I'll set them straight.

GTR

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Thanks for verifying all of our suspicions FS. The next time someone tells me Aussies are good for nothing, I'll set them straight.

GTR

Posted by: kilowatt4pwr

Thx firemansam,
Yes, thats what I thought about it. My girl told me for her to get her visa to travel to Budapest to meet me, would cost her 280 dollars. Now, i figured in Bulgaria she does not need a visa. She was insistant about istanbul. Lot of travel warnings there for americans. Have you or anyone else seen the PBS special on girls from Odessa sold to Turskish pimps and made prisoners?? Slave sex trade there? I cannot believe this woman wanted to go there. I had some idea in my head that she might of had some friends that might of bagged me for my coin. I would not go to Turkey to meet the virgin mary. That place is out. She could of met me in Bulgaria. Right? Turkey??I eat Turkey. After that special, I was really blown away.

THX Ya all for the input. I am a private investigator by certificate re-hap vocation program. I want to go after this woman, but I realize she is not worth my efforts. .. THX FIREMAN and Ms Smarty Pants and you all for yopur help.

Posted by: bushman

What's wrong with Turkey? Great place to go. loads of holiday destinations there as well as Istanbul and many other historical places, highly recommend it. Hundreds of thousands of Brits go there on holiday every year and the same for many other Europeans. The only problem they seem to have is hangovers and sunburn!

There can be problems, but there can be problems anywhere. I'ev been there four times and hope to go again soon

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

The person you wrote to was and is an " opportunist " - you have learnt a good lesson. My advice is ...if in doubt meet the person in thier own country. Do not send $$ and do not send gifts without first meeting the person in thier own country and town ; if you both click then continue - if you dont you will at least have had a great opportunity to travel. Above all - if it seems too good to be true do not continue the e mailining/ correspondance ; life is too
short.

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Posted by: BrownEyes50

Hi everyone,
I am new to this site. I have been reading all of these horror stories and a thought that some of the possible scam indicators seem to fit my situation. I received an e-mail from "Elena" who saw my website on one of the internet dating sites. She says that she is a 26 year old who lives with her parents. They have no telephone service so she supposedly types a message on her computer at home, which by the way can't access the internet, and takes the disk to her neighbor and sends the message via her neighbor's computer. She has told me all about her family and talks about her favorite holidays,etc. Of course she also asks about mine. She said that she wanted to meet sometime and suggested meeting in Europe because she still lives at home and it wouldn't be proper for me to stay there. Well she finally said that she would come to the US. She wrote that she had contacted an agency to get a visa and insurance, and might need some help financially because the visa cost more than she thought it would. She seems almost desperate to get married because she has told me that she doesn't like the men in her city because they drink too much. The pictures that she sends me are all of the same person, or so it appears. I'm confused on what to do. I try to think that's it not a scam, but something tells me to proceed with caution. What do you guys think? Please let me know.

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes50

Hi everyone,
I am new to this site. I have been reading all of these horror stories and a thought that some of the possible scam indicators seem to fit my situation. I received an e-mail from "Elena" who saw my website on one of the internet dating sites. She says that she is a 26 year old who lives with her parents. They have no telephone service so she supposedly types a message on her computer at home, which by the way can't access the internet, and takes the disk to her neighbor and sends the message via her neighbor's computer. She has told me all about her family and talks about her favorite holidays,etc. Of course she also asks about mine. She said that she wanted to meet sometime and suggested meeting in Europe because she still lives at home and it wouldn't be proper for me to stay there. Well she finally said that she would come to the US. She wrote that she had contacted an agency to get a visa and insurance, and might need some help financially because the visa cost more than she thought it would. She seems almost desperate to get married because she has told me that she doesn't like the men in her city because they drink too much. The pictures that she sends me are all of the same person, or so it appears. I'm confused on what to do. I try to think that's it not a scam, but something tells me to proceed with caution. What do you guys think? Please let me know.

Welcome to RMP!!!!

Depending on where she lives at in Russia would have a lot to do with if she has a phone in her house or not... this in itself does not warrant her being called a scammer... Have you asked about a mobile phone #.. just a thought.

Secondly her not wanting to meet in her home town might point to a scam and a red flag...You do not have to stay with her, you can tell her that you will stay at a hotel or apartment, but you would like to meet in her home town. Tell her that you would like to meet her family and friends.. see where this goes. My guess is, it will end right quick...Or she will have another excuse why you can not come to Russia... then she will ask for money to help her fly to Europe.... but saying she might need help??? Hmmmm. If she has the monies to fly to Europe and get the visa, she should have the monies to have a phone...

However, after 1 or 2 emails, her professing her undying love to you and wanting to marry you, I find concerning and a another BIG red flag. It is very difficult for any Russian to get a visa to the USA... especially if they do not have strong ties and reasons to return to Russia. One thing you will learn from everyone her in the RMP, is NEVER send money to someone you have yet to meet...NEVER... I think you can read back at my posts and see I am not quick to call anyone a scammer, but I think in this case I will make an exception, there are too many red flags and too many questions.

If I were you I would drop communication with this certain person... but if you choose to proceed, then proceed with EXTREME caution. I am getting a bad vibe from what details you give in your post.

The pictures in this case I think are irrelevant, they might be or might not be her... If you choose to proceed, I would push the issue of meeting her in her hometown...Tell her it is important to you that you meet her family and friends. You want to see the city she lives in, learn her culture and customs..

Just my opinion... I wish you the best... please keep us informed.. You will see there will be many posts after mine... and I think you will see there will be a concensus here. don't be blinded by beauty.

Again, this is my opinion.... Sorry!

Posted by: GREGK

Let's see. She contacted you via an internet dating site. She provided no way for you to speak to her but she has the ability to email you photos. She doesn't want you to come to her town. She claims she can get a visa to the USA. She needs money from you. She wants to be "rescued" from a life where only no-good drunken Russian men are available to her. This is a scammer and not a very imaginative one at that. Keep looking.

Posted by: Chrismc

Well it does not take a lot of imagination to come up with what this really is does it???

However, lets give her the benefit of the doubt,

Quote:

If you choose to proceed, I would push the issue of meeting her in her hometown...Tell her it is important to you that you meet her family and friends. You want to see the city she lives in, learn her culture and customs..

Do exactly as Waiting has already advised....push to meet her at her home town, if she is against this it will give you your answer, unless there is some absolutely wonderful excuse of why she cannot do this, but I have yet to see one.

Sorry too many Red Flags already here, but do as we say, tell her you want to go and visit her in her home town and see if she runs for the hills!!

Chris

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes50

Hi Brown.... lol! Sorry, shortening your name would be kinda rude!! lol!
Mate, Sorry to tell you this but you are walking into a scam.
Cut your losses and run dude.
Start again.
There are better women out there.
Really, even using the Scam test found on this forum @
http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...thscamtest.html

would have told you this...

My friend, keep a very firm hand on your wallet if you were really not sure of your friends intentions when it comes to their correspondence in this instance, otherwise you will be back here very soon complaining about how you funded Borises Vodka fund...

Sorry mate but that is just how it is.. A very easy Scam to see through... But feel the ways of the force my young Jedi, you will learn the ways of the scam soon...

LOL!!!!
Mate, never be afraid to ask opinions of the forum, that is what we are here for...
Cheers,
Sam.

Posted by: ham

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She wrote that she had contacted an agency to get a visa and insurance, and might need some help financially because the visa cost more than she thought it would. She seems almost desperate to get married because she has told me that she doesn't like the men in her city because they drink too much. The pictures that she sends me are all of the same person, or so it appears. I'm confused on what to do. I try to think that's it not a scam, but something tells me to proceed with caution. What do you guys think? Please let me know.

scam 300%.

Posted by: Pin Boy

ditto...move on from this "girl"

Posted by: BrownEyes50

I just wanted to thank those who replied to my post about being scammed. It opened my eyes wider to what was going on. Well I sent her a message last night and told her that if she was having trouble getting a visa, then I would come and visit her in her home town. I got the response today. She warned me that it is not safe for foreigners to visit her country because of terrorist threats, and then she hit me with the request for money. She needs $950.00 in the next 3-5 days. I replied that I didn't have that kind of money to be sending her, and if she still wants to visit me, we will have to find another alternative for her to get money. My hunch tells me that I have heard the last from her.

Posted by: Chrismc

Ok better to find out now, move on to the next one, plenty more fish in the sea!!

Posted by: Pin Boy

you're doing a heckuva job brownie - g.w. bush LOL!

seriously, glad you didn't lose a single dime. best of luck finding a sincere one.

pin boy

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hey guys,

I think we just set a record for convincing someone it was a scam!!! We're getting good at this! Of course the scammer wasn't very creative ... probably a newbie ... working on a newbie.

Use the RMP force BrownEyes50 ... use the force ...

GTR

Posted by: ham

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it is not safe for foreigners to visit her country because of terrorist threats,

read in at least 50 other cases of fraud...they use canned letters.

Posted by: JamesB

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes50

I just wanted to thank those who replied to my post about being scammed. It opened my eyes wider to what was going on. Well I sent her a message last night and told her that if she was having trouble getting a visa, then I would come and visit her in her home town. I got the response today. She warned me that it is not safe for foreigners to visit her country because of terrorist threats, and then she hit me with the request for money. She needs $950.00 in the next 3-5 days. I replied that I didn't have that kind of money to be sending her, and if she still wants to visit me, we will have to find another alternative for her to get money. My hunch tells me that I have heard the last from her.

Drop her mate and move on.There are many girls out there looking for a nice guy.

Posted by: Pirate

Hi folks,

I want to give a little brief about the FSU W's decession to be in Turkey. and try to give an answer what are they doing in Turkey? except holiday tours!

i have many friends that worked and lived Russia as an engineer, worker or project manager in building construction sector.

we, Turks, is well known contractor on non-steel consturcted building. concrete is our national know-how

after late of 90's turkish firms signed many of contracts in Russia, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, tatarstan, ukrain etc. our workers had gained big experience with russians. there is a lot of marriage continiues.. we have russian bribes.

after 2000's the trade between FSU and Turkey increased so much. they were importing clothes and leather goods so much as u cant imagine.

after all the entertaiment sector found russian revu shows. we started to import revu dancers. the turkish peaople is dark black haired with white skin. the showbiz catched up the intresting interest on them to blonde hair with soft pink skin.

after all the legal and illegal economy in russia export the beauty to Turkey.
1- you can find 100 or 200 person works in shops, hotels or in firms. they are here for legal work. they work under insurance umbrella. in summer the population of russian workers in hotels and beach clubs increase nearly 20.000. because every year 2 million of russians comes to Turkey for 1 week holiday.
2- you can find 10.000 RW in semi legalized sector. they are dancers in night clubs till 2 a.m. after that semi of them are prostitutes. some RW are not!! this economy is in every country over the world.
3- they are married with a turkish male and gained the citizenship of Turkey. this marriage is just for filling the blanks. some of russian girls are clever than scammers. earn the money nearly 5.000 USD-15.000 USD in any country (especcialy it is very easy to do that in Dubai, bahreyn every night they earn 400 USD) and find a man to marry in formality nd give the man nearly 10.000 USD. they will find easily "the selected man - NEO (matrix)" from any big building construction near to their corner. because there is a lot of turkish workers.

and, again and.. Kilowatt.. if any RW were stayed in Turkey 4 a while think twice. i think she is not a suitable girl if she didnt decline what she did REALLY in Turkey.

and to all of the friends looks for a wife, nice girl friend or fun from russia..

if the info of language contains "i know how to speak Turkish " ask her.. why did u do there?? be sure that turkish is not hard to learn as chinese but you must live your daily life in turkey at least 6 months. and if she stayed in turkey minimum 6 months (our goverment gives visa for visitors 2 month. if she comes to WORK in our country as an entertainer she will take minimum 6 - maximum 12 month visa.

Kilo... in Turkey there is a lot of tourist visiting here. we are hospitaly accept 20.000.000 tourist every year. there is terror alarm 4 americans EVERYWHERE always

. you should look so much closer. but to my opiinion to meet with a girl in romania, bulgaria, hungaria is no more safer than to meet in ISTANBUL. i m sure the same risk of terror is same in New York. when you look to crime statistics you will see.

after 1 year they divorce without seeing their face. after that they are free to build their sex bussiness as a chater as a worker. they can bring girls to any country no especcialy to Turkey nearly to 2.000 USD for 1 year. yes you didnt hear wrong. you can hire a girl from a catalog and live together 1 year!! it s cheap to peson who want to live a life like this! she is your only house and bed keeper! But our country is old traditioned country and the neighbourhood of you doesnt accept this kind of living. thats why we dont have so much KEEPERS.

and, again and.. Kilowatt.. if any RW were stayed in Turkey 4 a while think twice. i think she is not a suitable girl if she didnt decline what she did REALLY in Turkey.

and to all of the friends looks for a wife, nice girl friend or fun from russia..

if the info of language in Ad of RW,contains "i know how to speak Turkish " ask her.. why did u do there?? be sure that turkish is not hard to learn as chinese but you must live your daily life in turkey at least 6 months. and if she stayed in turkey minimum 6 months (our goverment gives visa for visitors 2 month. if she comes to WORK in our country as an entertainer she will take minimum 6 - maximum 12 month visa) she did not lived in Turkey for LEGALY works.

Kilo... in Turkey there is a lot of tourist visiting here. we are hospitaly accept 20.000.000 tourist every year. there is terror alarm 4 americans EVERYWHERE always

Posted by: Afriend

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A RUSSIAN LADY REALLY HAS THE IDEA IN HER SOUL TO SCAM OR USE PEOPLE. ALTHOUGHT IT HAPPENS. TAKE ONE MOMEMT TO REVEAL ANY HISTORY OF RUSSIA AND IT MAY CONCLUDE THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STUCK WITH BS, PROMISES, AND A BETTER LIFE SINCE THE TZAR.
I AM A FEMALE, HAVE BEEN TO RUSSIAN MANY TIMES, HAVE MANY FEMALE AND MALE RUSSIAN FRIENDS, SAW THEIR LIFE, LIVED IT FOR A BRIEF, AND IF I LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY I WOULD BE REACHING OUT IN WHATEVER COULD HELP ME. SO IF YOU SENCE A SCAMMER, REMEMBER SHE/HE IS NOT ALL THAT BAD, BUT DESPERTLEY TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE. LOVE CAN HAPPEN EVEN THROUGH THE SCAMMERS, BUT ONE MUST SEE, UNDERSTAND, TALK AND TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW THE PERSON MORE...TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA AND THE SOULS OF RUSSIA. ONCE YOU HAVE BOTH HAVE GAINED TRUST....IT'S AMAZING.

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

Hi Kilowatt, welcome to the forums, sorry to hear you are having a rough one.

Ive heard of scammers dragging people along for some time, but for 2 years, as a scammer I would have given up on you months ago, It is strange though that she said she knew nothing of the dates, thats a red flag in one form or another.

Its strange that you have been writing for 2 years, yet never met her, am I right?
If so why not?

yes she can access email, there is net cafes there and affordable. Have you no telephone number for her?

It seems theres many things in your story that are different from the way the majority here have done things, so its tough to comment.

She hasnt replied for 3 months, to me its sound like she finished with you. Im sorry im not a better comfort but if this is the case then you must learn to seize a moment, you may have lost your chance, maybe now she is seeing another man that did grab the bull by the horns.

I could be way off, it a real tough one.

Dont let your trust be burned, theres lots of genuine ladies there.

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by Afriend

... REMEMBER SHE/HE IS NOT ALL THAT BAD...

You have a great sense of humour Afriend!!!

Of course what you meant to say is that they are lying thieves who are breaking not only hearts but the law and they should all rot in prison.

I like your wit, it's refreshing!

Posted by: Dave_N_Elvira

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Originally Posted by Afriend

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A RUSSIAN LADY REALLY HAS THE IDEA IN HER SOUL TO SCAM OR USE PEOPLE. ALTHOUGHT IT HAPPENS.

Believe it or not some people are just downright dishonest and will use and abuse anyone with no regard. There are plenty of them in Russia and all round the world for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Afriend

I AM A FEMALE, HAVE BEEN TO RUSSIAN MANY TIMES, HAVE MANY FEMALE AND MALE RUSSIAN FRIENDS, SAW THEIR LIFE, LIVED IT FOR A BRIEF, AND IF I LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY I WOULD BE REACHING OUT IN WHATEVER COULD HELP ME. SO IF YOU SENCE A SCAMMER, REMEMBER SHE/HE IS NOT ALL THAT BAD, BUT DESPERTLEY TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE.

That is a pretty weak cop out. If you read your last line…but desperately trying to have a better life. Well that is exactly what the man is offering her. He is offering her a chance of love and companionship. He is offering her a chance at a much better life without the hardships she has had to endure. How does the scammer repay him. She tries to fleece him for money and toys with his emotions.

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Originally Posted by Afriend

LOVE CAN HAPPEN EVEN THROUGH THE SCAMMERS, BUT ONE MUST SEE, UNDERSTAND, TALK AND TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW THE PERSON MORE...

Love generally does happen but it only happens one way. It is not reciprocal. It is generally the man that has poured all his heart and emotion into the prospect of a relationship and the scammer who after baiting him and fleecing him, essentially rips his heart out and leaves the man an emotional mess.

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Originally Posted by Afriend

TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA AND THE SOULS OF RUSSIA. ONCE YOU HAVE BOTH HAVE GAINED TRUST....IT'S AMAZING.

Trust is not gained through lies. You can’t build a relationship based on deception.

Posted by: Cheburashka

Welcome to the forum Afriend and thank you for posting.

I find your post excellent and I hope everyone will take a deep breath and really read what you are saying before they fire back.

What I see here is the perfect outlook of a scammer. I'm sure they all see themselves as being pretty good people. I'm sure none of them will see themselves as being "evil". And like all criminals, they will have what they consider to be valid reasons for their crimes. Robbers claim they have to rob because of their lack. Wife beaters claim they have to do it because they were beaten themselves. Rapists claim they were teased by the way the victim dressed. Etc. Get my drift? Few of them take responsibility for their actions.

For any scammer to try to justify their unethical behavior by blaming the "hard life in Russia" or "the Soviet system made them do it" is just plain ridiculous. But it is understood.

The truth of the matter: find me any scammer, give me her life story, and I'll show you somebody else in her same country who had a harder life than she had and yet retained her integrity. Go spend time in a Russian orphanage and you will hear stories that will make you weep. But guess what...most of them want to build a better life, and do it the right way.

"The Czar made me do it"! Bullcrap!

Not being hard on you Afriend. Just something to think about. Welcome again.