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Posted by: metro

my russian girlfriend is talking of comming here with a years visa and i have no where for her to stay yet i think she should come here for a month first i have looked at prices for a visa for her
and she has given me prices too but the one she has given me is a price for a years one
im just a little worried that she will turn up with the years one i can sort out somwhere to stay for a month but no longer just yet also have i got the right prices where can i find out how much it cost to bring her over here for 30 days??

Posted by: AkMike

Welcome to the forum!
Have you met this lady face to face???

Posted by: metro

no i havent but we have been speaking for 2 months technically she is not my girlfriend yet

Posted by: AkMike

RULE #1

NEVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU'VE NEVER MET!!!
Look over some of the posts in the scammer section then examine your situation. Something smells a fit fishy to me.

Posted by: metro

she has not asked me for money yet but thanks

Posted by: bingism

There is a one-year tourist visa (Ł85).... it seems a little strange as I can't see why a 1-year is better since the standard 6-monther is multiple entry, etc etc etc. Are you prepared to support you GF for a year prior to getting everything sorted - sh won't be able to work or study on the tourist visa!!

Posted by: AkMike

It was sounding as if you were going to be "asked" for the visa coins. Then comes the request for air fare ect.

I don't know what the visa requirements are for 'Jolly Old England' so I'll back out of this thread. I just wanted you to have a heads up.

Posted by: metro

she told me her granmother gave her money towards the visa i have looked at a 30 day one for her which costs Ł75 ish i think
looking at the scams page im not sure it is i dont know what to do i also looked on a scams web site she isnt on there i just dont know what to do

Posted by: AkMike

Metro,
More times than not it will be the man visiting the woman.It just seems more right to me. And it allsows you to see how she is with her family and friends. I know that you can judge a person by their friends. It would be better for you to visit her and find out how she lives to better understand her.
Good Luck

Posted by: metro

i have suggested that and still might do this
but she only has her granmother and i was to meet her in moscow just me and her she has said about the visa but not asked for money yet she also has not said anything about passport only talk of the visa but no money that is in 2 months is she scamming me i really dont know

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I've had dealings with 2 scammers in the past. I tell them I am sending them a gift and I want them to have their picture taken with it and then e-mail it to me. You either get an e-mail ignoring your request or you never hear from them again if they are scammers. There is a 90% turn down rate for tourist Visas. They are difficult to get. A student visa is has a 95% turn down rate. That leaves the fiance visa which is good for 90 days. Since you've been e-mailing for 2 months, it might not be a scam. My scammers hung around for about a month and then they stopped e-mailing. I guess they figured I was on to them.

Good luck but "stay on your toes" and send money.

GTR

Posted by: AkMike

GTR ,
He's from England. Very different rules and visa's.

Posted by: Ruski_Cossack

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

my russian girlfriend is talking of comming here with a years visa and i have no where for her to stay yet i think she should come here for a month first i have looked at prices for a visa for her
and she has given me prices too but the one she has given me is a price for a years one
im just a little worried that she will turn up with the years one i can sort out somwhere to stay for a month but no longer just yet also have i got the right prices where can i find out how much it cost to bring her over here for 30 days??

mmm...interesting.... about the part that she wants to be with you. Well, with repsect, i dont like to see let me get that word "MIXING"

besides she probably is a scamer that wannas your money to buy FUR CLOTHES. Sorry mate.

and oh ya stop taking our women.

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

i have suggested that and still might do this
but she only has her granmother and i was to meet her in moscow just me and her she has said about the visa but not asked for money yet she also has not said anything about passport only talk of the visa but no money that is in 2 months is she scamming me i really dont know

Metro can I ask have you spoken to her on the Telephone yet or just through emails.

Posted by: searcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruski_Cossack

and oh ya stop taking our women.

I'm still trying to find the law that says they are pieces of property and they have an owner such as a cow or a dog.

They leave by THEIR OWN FREE WILL, THEIR CHOICE.

No one abducted them! Nor does anyone own them like some piece of property.

additionally, there are VERY FEW that actually leave, from what I understand less than 1 percent.

If you want to make a contribution to the population in any of the FSU countries you are free to return and stay. Afterall why should they stay and you are able to leave????

Its not fair I tell you!!!! Its bloody not fair!!!!

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by searcher

Very True Searcher

Posted by: swindoom

The accedited agencies recommend for a first visa application to go for the six month tourist visa at Ł50. It is virtually impossible for a single Russian woman to get a tourist visa without lots of supporting documentation and a letter of invitation from you. She would also need an international passport which take about 4 weeks to get.

She could either be a woman who does not understand the requirements for travel to the UK or she is setting you up for a scam. You should insist that your first meeting is in her home town to determine how genuine she is and if she is genuine get over there as soon as you can.

Posted by: vic2012

Hi Metro,

Sorry to say, this does not sound too good. If her grandmother is paying for the visa, who is paying for the airfare?

I joined RMP about 7 months ago. And in just those few months since then, I've seen many letters start off the same as yours. Unfortunately, most turned out to be scams. But, it's not always the case and I hope this will work out for you.

Have you googled parts of her letters to you? Most scammers use the same letters to different men.

Has she told you that she loves you, even though you've never met.

If you look back at the RMP archives, it might help get some perspective on your situation. These "advice required" letters usually start "Help required......."

Dont forget one thing. A scammer will draw you you in to a "relationship" and then sting you for the visa of airfare when she (and quite often, he) thinks you are committed.

So follow the advice of everyone here. NEVER SEND MONEY, until you have been there and feel you really know her.

Posted by: metro

hi thanks i have looked and gone on russian scams web site and most of the letters are there they are worded a little differently but 90% of the letter is there how would i report it to see if it is a scam

Posted by: firemansam

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

hi thanks i have looked and gone on russian scams web site and most of the letters are there they are worded a little differently but 90% of the letter is there how would i report it to see if it is a scam

Mate, it's up to you but if it were me,
be SURE that the person you are reporting is a scammer before listing them. For me, I wouldn't fully name them on a "black list" site untill thay have actually asked you for $$
You will get to the stage where the $$ bit never happens because you can see it coming and just stop writing to them (unless you are waiting to see if the $$ bit is coming).
Other than that, I would have no issues posting the info in the scam section here... Bit different than a fully advertised black list web site.
My thoughts anyway...
Sam.

Posted by: JamesB

Hello,I think you maybe need to trake time in getting to know this girl and meet her first before committing to a year together.Committing to a week is bad enough if you dont get on.I think you should just slow down.Does she realise you have no accomodation?

Posted by: metro

hi yes i think she does know this and she has now asked for help with her visa not much as she said she has most of the money but the emails she has sent are the same as on the russian scams web site just a minor change in some cases

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

metro i wouldn,t be jumping to quick, if she hasn,t put the acid on you for quid or 2 or stated she is madly inlove with you i would wait a bit.

Posted by: metro

she has asked for about $250 so i am not sure what to think anymore

Posted by: metro

think i have put my foot in it now i was honest with her and asked if it was true or what i have found out was true if she does not reply then i think she was scamming me
i hope she wasnt she is really nice

Posted by: firemansam

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

she has asked for about $250 so i am not sure what to think anymore

My thoughts,
Scam.

Tell her you want to meet her in her home town. See what she says to this.

Sam.

Posted by: metro

i have said this and she said she would meet me in moscow but then im in a different country and she has the deck stacked in her favour again i have looked at this web site
www.womenrussia.com/blacklist.htm
and the letters i have recieved are very nearly word for word on this site but yet i cant see any photos of her on it but the letters its driving me crazy

Posted by: metro

she has replied with this letter

I am surprised such plenty of the letters from you my love!!!
I you very much ????? love, you too for me the unique man, which I so
strongly love, I anybody still so did not love, as you, it is
sincere words, remember them for ever. I very much am offended by that
fact, that you do not trust me, that you think, that I deceive you. To
me is very insulting to consider it in your letters. You for me the
most dear man on light and I can you never throw, I do not know, that
with me will be, if not will be a number you. I shall do all for our
meeting. Because I am sincere it I want. I too very strongly want to
hear your vote, and I have not many money to call to you from
telephone item, it will be expensive, but for the sake of our
happiness, I shall do it. Leave to me the telephone number in the
following letter.
Write my love, I wait!!!

DO I GO WITH IT????

Posted by: Texas Proud

Metro,

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee..... you are being scammed.

If the letters are the same as a black list..... come ON... it is not because she is real and for SOME strange reason is writing a letter that just so happens to be almost word for word what someone else wrote!!!

How stong a hint do you need????

The people who get taken are the ones who have their eyes closed to the FIRE, and then will complain when they get burned.... this is not even smoke... but a fire...

And yes, a good scammer will reassure you that they are not one, but just send the money and we can be together and love each other (which you read sex)...

I will stop writing... but

Posted by: metro

to find out if she is true i could goto see her in moscow as people have said

Posted by: firemansam

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

to find out if she is true i could goto see her in moscow as people have said

Don't waste your time or worse, put yourself in danger. Given that she LOVES you so much without having even met, Igor and Co. may well be waiting for you when their little princess delivers you to them. Cut your contact and start again mate.

You will find a diamond if you remove the rocks....

Sam.

Posted by: metro

thanks its just to hard to believe,
but i asked her for her number and hopfuly she will give it me then we can talk on the phone before anything else goes further

Posted by: swindoom

I think you are just wasting your time, you have proved she is a scammer but seem not to want to believe it. You should remember you are probably writing to a bloke or worse.

Posted by: metro

i believe it to be a scam and i know it could be a bloke

i will cut my losses and try again

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

to find out if she is true i could goto see her in moscow as people have said

metro i,m now sorry i told you to hang on ,asking for money,saying she loved & trying to make you feel bad.
now smells like a scam
NEVER EVER SEND MONEY
cut your loss,s mate ,plenty of genuine girls out there

Posted by: metro

really appreciate the advice thanks guys and gals i mean it and im not going to send any money she seems to think she can find it so time will tell but not sending any money

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

really appreciate the advice thanks guys and gals i mean it and im not going to send any money she seems to think she can find it so time will tell but not sending any money

Hi Metro,

I will say this again it is always a must to get a number off her and an address. If she is legitimite she will go out of her way to speak to on the telephone even if she does not have a telephone she would know someone that does and a time could be organized when to call.
She would also have no problem in giving you an address most Russian women will never tell you they love you without first meeting you to see if your genuine. And she would not ask you for money.

Posted by: metro

im actually waiting for her number i have asked she hasnt a phone but she will know someone who has she wants to talk on the phone as i gathered from the last e mail

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

im actually waiting for her number i have asked she hasnt a phone but she will know someone who has she wants to talk on the phone as i gathered from the last e mail

Hi Metro,

Once you have spoken on the phone next step ask for an address and tell her you will write her a letter with a couple of photo's and could she do the same for you. If she does send you a letter check the return address against the one she has given you also the postmark on the stamp to see if it has come from where she says it has.
Most scammers will not take the time to write a letter and send photo's but remember these people are very smart and good at what they do.

Posted by: AkMike

Why waste the trip? She'll be a no show.
It's time to move on and find s real one.

Posted by: luckylucky

Metro,

Stop this process and find another woman to correspond with.

You have admitted that her letters are identical to the scammers letters on the blacklists, yet you are still pursuing. I belive that if your correspondence continues to the point of you going to visit her; you will still get bitten on the a**e. All the signs are there, the guys have expressed their concerns; bail out now and keep the financial and emotional damage to a minimum. There are plenty of women out there and most of them are good. Move on friend.

Good luck in your search (for a new woman!)

luckylucky

Posted by: metro

thanks lucky lucky i am going to move on there are plenty more ppl out there but i have had all the excuses i like you as a friend blah blah blah etc etc etc maybe i am not ment to find true love always goes t*ts up for me

Posted by: AkMike

Good for you!
Get going!!!

Posted by: metro

not herd from her now she was scamming me
hope no one else falls into the trap

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

not herd from her now she was scamming me
hope no one else falls into the trap

Dont worry Metro there are plenty of good women out there you will be definately wiser from the experience so dont let it put you off.

Goodluck Mate

Posted by: firemansam

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

not herd from her now she was scamming me
hope no one else falls into the trap

True mate, there are plenty of traps out there...
But if you walk with your eys open, you will always avoid them. You can find the one you are looking for, just don't expect it to be TOO easy and you will be fine.
Sam.

Posted by: metro

it just seems so genuine first so real but when you look at the scams/blacklist website and dont find her there u think she is genuine again but if you read the msgs you find them makes you feel

sick

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

it just seems so genuine first so real but when you look at the scams/blacklist website and dont find her there u think she is genuine again but if you read the msgs you find them makes you feel

sick

Metro the scammers are good they count on using your emotions against you but there are still some very nice women over there that are genuine so keep looking.

Posted by: firemansam

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

it just seems so genuine first so real but when you look at the scams/blacklist website and dont find her there u think she is genuine again but if you read the msgs you find them makes you feel

sick

Mate, I so know what you are saying!
Especially for me with my first encounter with a scammer. My story to date is here...
http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...read.php?t=8773
They can really get to your heart strings if you are not quite emotionally healed from your last heartbreak! They say things that you really like to hear!!
They pump you up till you are so blind....
Still I was lucky and now I know what to look for. You will learn this too and you will find that you will not be wasting your time with those who you choose not too.
Cheers mate,
It will get better,
Sam.

Posted by: metro

there must be a web site where i can meet a very nice lady who is 100% genuine and not a

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I found my GF on www.elenasmodels.com. I will see her in about 2.5 weeks!!! There is also a site within this service, not sure of the address.

GTR

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

there must be a web site where i can meet a very nice lady who is 100% genuine and not a

Metro start by looking in the personals on this site if not start a thread asking for one of the guys to direct you to a good site there will be plenty here that will help.

Posted by: metro

will try that thanks

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

will try that thanks

metro try bride .ru
met my wife there
if you click on 1 of the girls it will bring up a side menu on the left hand side were there is also a free section.
haven,t heard of any scammers on this site but dosen,t mean there arn,t
cheers bob

Posted by: metro

i had a phone call of mine today well i have had 4 missed calls she left a msg today saying she still wants to meet and she likes me a lot, but the numbers on my phone are 4 compleatley different ones too
2 of them are ileagle and the other 2 are form the USA now she is in russia why have i got these?
its left my head FUBAR

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Sometimes a scammer will try to get your cell phone number and access code from you. That way they can call anyone at any time. That is probably why it is 4 different numbers, she has gotten 4 cell phone numbers from good hearted people looking for true love.

Metro - Stay away from this one.

GTR

Posted by: metro

hi are you saying now she has my number she can sort clone my phone and use my number to call ppl now maybe i should change my number

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Maybe maybe not. I think she needs an access code before she can use it.

GTR

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

i had a phone call of mine today well i have had 4 missed calls she left a msg today saying she still wants to meet and she likes me a lot, but the numbers on my phone are 4 compleatley different ones too
2 of them are ileagle and the other 2 are form the USA now she is in russia why have i got these?
its left my head FUBAR

Can not clone your number. The different numbers can be explained by using an Exchange or public phone over there. I can not Explain the numbers that are from the USA though. Try ringing one back

Posted by: searcher

I'm still waiting for someone to quote that law!

Posted by: metro

she has called mor than once it is poss for 2 of them to be redirected through different countries as the 2 illeagle ones it might just be a mistake but i was told this morning that india start 008 but the 9600 is a mystery

Posted by: Chrismc

As per my other post:-

IF a girl immediately asks for YOUR phone number, this is a bad sign, and if a girl calls you, this is a good chance of her being a scammer. These girls cannot afford to call overseas to all the guys that write them. A scammer can and does it to hook the guy!!!

Chris

Posted by: metro

she has only asked for my number in the last 4 days we have been taking for about a month and a half to 2 months

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

she has only asked for my number in the last 4 days we have been taking for about a month and a half to 2 months

Ok sounds OK then...lets hope she is legit! The above statement was meant for any new contacts that ask you for a phone number early doors.

Posted by: metro

i hope she is legit she has a sexy accent it drives me crazy

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

i hope she is legit she has a sexy accent it drives me crazy

They all do Metro he he

Posted by: swindoom

Metro,

It is not unknown for a good scammer to call to try and reassure their victim, have you actually spoken to her or has she just left messages.
You have pointed out lots of red flags which indicate she/he wants your cash and nothing more. She could be the most naive woman on the planet or getting bad advice but canned letters, the "love" word to someone she has never met, asking for money, insisting on visiting you first all point to something more sinister.

It is your choice to continue contact but remember scammers will play on your emotions, ignorance and "always seeing the good in people" attitude. To them it is not much effort and $250 is well worth that effort.

Posted by: metro

she has called 4* and i was working with my job i cannot answer phone she left one msg and she said she will call back to hear my voice.

Posted by: swindoom

If it was not for the other major red flags this would be a good sign.

You should insist that you visit her first in her home town, arranging everything yourself, and see how she responds, normally genuine FSU women would be very happy to have you visit them first and scammers will do everything to put you off.

Posted by: metro

i suggested to meet her in moscow she would do that but i didnt feel safe so i went back on to her comming here she still wants to do that but no more talk of money has come up. she said she had $350 from her granmother i think this is more than enough to apply for a 30day travel visa will wait to see what she says on phone

Posted by: swindoom

I do not believe there is anything called/like a 30 day travel visa. My mother-in-law has just applied for a visa and the minimum for a tourist visa is 6 months, it costs Ł50 for the visa and Ł60 for using the accredited travel agent. She also has lots of supporting documentation and a sponsorship letter from me, to show she has somewhere to stay and someone who can support during her visit.

It will virtually impossible for a single Russian woman, with obviously little money, to obtain a UK visa to visit her male friend without the supporting documentation and more importantly the fact you have never met.

You should ask her where she will be applying for the visa and then check the British Embassy website to verify it is real.

It is also a big red flag for genuine Russian women if you tell them you are too scared to visit them but for a scammer it is music to their ears.

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by swindoom

If it was not for the other major red flags this would be a good sign.

You should insist that you visit her first in her home town, arranging everything yourself, and see how she responds, normally genuine FSU women would be very happy to have you visit them first and scammers will do everything to put you off.

Agreed..........go and see her not the tother way round.

Posted by: metro

i did suggest that i looked at flights cheap hotels she said she will meet me in moscow.... but she could have her friends waiting for me or she would be a no show

this country at least i know where to go and things to do in london so if she was a no show i would be safe and ok

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

i suggested to meet her in moscow she would do that but i didnt feel safe so i went back on to her comming here she still wants to do that but no more talk of money has come up. she said she had $350 from her granmother i think this is more than enough to apply for a 30day travel visa will wait to see what she says on phone

Metro....go and see her, there is very little chance of a genuine lady coming here without you meeting her in her own country first. Put yourself in her shoes, would you come and visit a man in a foreign country one that you have never been to before, to see someone you have never met before, a genuine lady would not, no way!!! but for a scammer it does not matter as they will never ever have to show up.

Posted by: metro

true but then i am in the foreign country alone could get bit of sight seeing done though

Posted by: swindoom

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro

but she could have her friends waiting for me or she would be a no show

Maybe you should seriously reconsider looking for a woman in Russia.

I had similar things jokingly said to me by my mates before my first trip to Russia because of ignorance and stereotypical images in films but I have never had any problems or felt unsafe.

My first trip was a 17 hour journey to Siberia in the middle of a typical Siberian winter, unable to speak any real Russian, to met a woman I had been writing to for only five weeks and it was the best decision I ever made.

Posted by: metro

will wait and see now things still could work out for me

Posted by: Cheburashka

Metro, I'm not sure who put this fear of Russia into you. You think you won't be safe if she "no shows" you in Moscow. That would be one of the best things that could ever happen to you!!!!!! You will be in an amazing city with more beautiful women that you could ever imagine. Go hit some clubs and dance the night away with incredible ladies. Who knows where it could lead? And remember the city is no more unsafe than any other major city in the world, especially London.

Don't let fear keep you from having a life augmenting experience.

Posted by: Chrismc

Well said Cheb.....I do feel though Metro if you have a fear of going anywhere on your own due to safety reasons and you do sound worried about it, then going to find a future wife in Russia is maybe not for you. You can have just as many problems in your home town or any major city in the UK as you can in Moscow. The only other problem is the language.

Where's your sense of adventure, as Cheb says even if you don't hit it off or she is a no show, you will have more good looking women to keep you busy than you can shake a stick at.

Posted by: metro

thanx cheb there is sort of a fear of going and true any city is not really safe maybe i will drag my mate out there and paint the city

Posted by: metro

well there has been more of a development she has e mailed me and still wants to talk if she was scamming me i thought she might not have contacted me again

Posted by: vic2012

Metro,

Stop worrying so much. Otherwise this route for a partner is not for you.

Like Swindoom, I went out to Siberia in mid-winter (it was -30C) after I had known my GF for less than two months. Moscow is nothing in comparison. You can get a return fare for about Ł175. A cheap hotel, a long weekend and you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

OK so, she might be a scammer, but she's not asked for anything. So just go with it, you could be OK.

Posted by: Jerico

Metro,
I admit my first trip to Russia was kind of scary. I never traveled outside the USA before that trip.
Well now I have visited Moscow 4 times and it is a great city to visit.
Moscow is also very easy to get to for the ( ROOKIE )

Many people speak English here. Its no problem and there are many things to do here IE : Museums, plays, ballets, cool night clubs. Women everywhere if things dont work out with the first girl.The eye candy is awsome here if you know what I mean.

and St. Petersburg ,WOW.
Plus there are dating agencys all over ( so I hear) if things go bad.
I am glad that i took the chance and went to Russia as I have a whole new outlook on Russian people in general. I understand them a bit more now I think. I also met my wife in Moscow.
Its a great adventure.Your missing out if you dont go at least once.
Jerry

Posted by: ahsker5

Metro, this is 99% a scam. Why do you not just play the game a while longer from a distance until you feel rather certain that it's not a scam? Keep asking questions here cause some are giving you great advice and will no doubt continue to.

There are hundred, thousands, more! who might be a good match for you over there but you aren't giving them any attention cause you're giving it to this lady (man?).

If you have time and money to blow, head right over to Moscow. Do you want a vacation or are you looking for love? If vacation, go. If not, wait. And I'll repeat what others have said. See her in her home town. Much more scam resistant and if that test is past, much better to get to know her as opposed to sharing a vacation date with her.

Posted by: metro

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahsker5

Metro, this is 99% a scam. Why do you not just play the game a while longer from a distance until you feel rather certain that it's not a scam? Keep asking questions here cause some are giving you great advice and will no doubt continue to.

There are hundred, thousands, more! who might be a good match for you over there but you aren't giving them any attention cause you're giving it to this lady (man?).

If you have time and money to blow, head right over to Moscow. Do you want a vacation or are you looking for love? If vacation, go. If not, wait. And I'll repeat what others have said. See her in her home town. Much more scam resistant and if that test is past, much better to get to know her as opposed to sharing a vacation date with her.

will try that thought about asking her somwhere else