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Are most men who seek a Russian wife politically/culturally conservative, or liberal?
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Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Everyone,

I was thinking today about whether most men who seek a Russian spouse are conservative or liberal (or is there any tendency?).

I have a feeling, that most men in Russian-Western relationships are culturally and politically conservative.

Perhaps it's because some men want a more "traditional" woman as a spouse, in a Western culture where the roles of women have been expanded, and where most women (in the U.S., at least) do not primarily want the traditional wife and mother role.

I think that in Europe, that this is less true, perhaps because Europe is more liberal in general than the U.S.

I personally try to welcome all points of view, whether conservative, liberal or in between, and really see the focus of a forum like this is to share our ideas and experiences about Russia, rather than politics.

What do you think?

Khashyar

Posted by: Khashyar

I think that unfortunately, in America, a person's politics has become too important.

Radio talk show hosts from different parties talk in a way that divide people, rather than talk about things and emphasize what is really important in life.

I actually feel disappointed when some people make judgements based on politics, or place too much emphasis on whether someone might be a Democrat, Republican, Conservative or Liberal, when there are things that we can enjoy talking about that bring us together, and not divide us.

I like the concept of what President Bush said when he fisrt came into office that "I am a uniter, not a divider."

I would want us all to have the same intention and attitude.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a political discussion, just to really understand what are the cultural and political politics of most men who are seeking Russian spouses.

Another interesting question is what is the politics of a Western woman who is a relationship with a Russian man (but maybe we should create a seperate thread about that).

Khashyar

Posted by: skinsfan

interesting question...i have no clue if politics plays a role...but for what it is worth, i am a conservative, God and Country kind of guy....

Posted by: Khashyar

Thanks for your feedback, Skin.

I didn't vote in the poll yet, but my feeling is that most men who are seeking a Russian spouse (at least from the U.S., and meybe even in Europe), are more culturally Conservative. And maybe, this has something to do with an unhappiness with the state of relationships in their countries, and the fact that they want a relationship that is more traditional or old-fashioned. Many agencies are advertising Russian women as being more traditional, so it might make sense that the agencies attact men who want a more traditional marriage and who are more conservative.

Again, for me, a person's personal politics are just that-- a person's personal beliefs about politics and their values about life.

I find it interesting to speak with people with different ideas, values and backgrounds.

Khashyar

Posted by: jeffs

Well I am a "Republican", definately a fiscal conservative, more of a social moderate.

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Jeff,

I see what you meant by your PM to me that perhaps it may be difficult to divide people into clear Conservative or Liberal categories. I suppose, for the purpose of this poll, we are referring to a person's social beliefs when we say "conservative" or "liberal."

It might be interesting to create a poll asking everyone whether they consider themselves socially liberal, conseravative, or moderate.

I also would be interested in learning the politics of the average Russian woman who married a Westerner and immigrates West. I expect that they might be more "liberal" or "moderate" than socially conservative, since they are leaving their homes and families, and are taking a social "risk." That is my gut-feeling.

Khashyar

Posted by: ham

right wing...so far the next guy i met was Pol Pot

Posted by: jpierce55

Interesting conversation to bring up I am a fairly strict Christian as you know, so probably culturally conservative. Politics I hate and I believe our country has strayed so far from what was intended and things need changed. So I am a rebelious person loyal to the people but not the government. Translate it how you wish but I would say a rebelious conservative.

Posted by: vic2012

I voted in the poll, so I'll put my two penneth here too. If I were an American, I would be 100% Democrat.

My views are very liberal

Quote:

I have a feeling, that most men in Russian-Western relationships are culturally and politically conservative.
Perhaps it's because some men want a more "traditional" woman as a spouse,

And, it's taken quite a time to persude my fiance that I dont want a housewife. I want an equal partner in the marriage. But she's still a bit non-plussed about her "role".

Perhaps, I was looking in the wrong place. But it's too late now, I've fallen very much in love with her. We're just going to have to work it out as we go.

Posted by: SecurityGuy

100% extremely liberal. So far left, the ACLU turned me down!!!!!

Posted by: SecurityGuy

I am with you, vic2012.

Posted by: Khashyar

I think this thread (and the one about our personal politics> http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...read.php?t=8896 ) are interesting.

I think that members in the RMP have a variety of different political views-- and I welcome them all here.

Khashyar

(by the way, I haven't voted in this poll about Western men in general, or in the other thread about our own personal politics, but I think I will in the next day or two.....)

Posted by: Khashyar

I find it interesting that most people in this poll believe that men seeking a Russian wife tend to be conservative, but that in the poll where people describe their own personal politics (http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...read.php?t=8896) , the cultural politics tends to be dispersed fairly well.

Khashyar

Posted by: sidney

List me under consevative.
Sid

Posted by: Khashyar

Thanks, Sid.

I almost hate to bring up the question of personal politics, because it can be an issue that can divide people, but... we here are all mature enough to handle it

Khashyar

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

From an Aussie perspective I don't know how you could be culturally conservative and look OS for a partner, the 2 concepts just don't match up.

Culture and politics don't mean a fat rats bottom to me for a partner, I look at the individual not there culture or the politics they have been exposed to as even American and British culture and politics are quite different to my own yet I still associate with people from all walks of life and cultures.

Here comes a contradiction, while I am for an Australian conservative by nature, I am the son of a retired Presbyterian minister so my upbringing and belief system kinda dictate this, I am quite culturally liberal and thus my interest in other cultures in general and my opinion thatr my culture and way of life (i.e. Western) is not the be all and end all of ways of doing things.

I simply want a partner who fulfills me, I don't want a female mirror image of me as I know we wouldn't get on.

I think I mighta gotten off track a bit sorry.

Posted by: bobjf

hi khashyar
i don,t think politics played any part in my choice to marry natasha.
i wanted a totaly equall partener,value honesty & keeping your word is everthing to me
so i guess i,m never going to beleive a politicion
if ever i found a polly with those values i would endevour to join him/her
only 1 who came close was rediculed & falsly convicted for electral fraud ,why because the our ruleing parties were scared of her

Posted by: neil277

Hello

Are most men who seek a Russian wife politically/culturally conservative, or liberal?

I would have to say no my wife 's views and my views are kind of the same, but i never met my wife for the reasons i feel men from the form met there wive's.

We get on so well and not once does the culture issue come into our relationship we dont have Russian Friends, a few English friends and the both of us like each others company when i go out my wife goes out and when my wife goes out i go out.

Of course we sometimes eat Russian Food, Russian Concerts etc, etc just like English food English Concerts etc, etc.

We feel respect is one word that is right at the top of the table, also being able to listern to each other and make strong decisions as a family and not once when i have been with Natalys family have they tried to be someone they are not, just normal happy and loveing family and i feel very at home around my new family and Nataly feels the very same around my family.

Regards.

Neil & Nataly

Posted by: Jutman

Hi

I think there another approch to this.

I think (at least for danes) there is a majority of men, who is'nt into bars, dating 100 women to find the one, so you look elsewhere and when you already at the net, its not much a different if you communicate with women from another country or your own country.

So I think its more of the personality who is in to it.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

...and recently someone asked what was the racial makeup of my city.

I said:

"98% Baptists, 2% other."

Politics is no longer separate from religion and I hold most religions in contempt.

I am a fiscal conservative, but liberal for social reform.
I wish we could be as progressive as England.
Now I'm 2cents poorer...

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai_Bob

I wish we could be as progressive as England.

And many English who come here say the same thing about Australia. And many AUssies think the same thing yet don't publically say it about New Zealand. Unfortunately so many New Zeakanders are here in Aus saying if we think that way we don't know what has happened over there.

The point of this post, "The grass is always greener on the other side."

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

I've been to England, and it is greener, socially too.

America has it good points, especially economically, but if my health allowed I would be living in England today. Seriously.

And I am fond of the fact over 300 years ago my family came from Scotland.

Posted by: FrancoPUA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khashyar

I think that unfortunately, in America, a person's politics has become too important.

I agree. And that is not only in America. Also in many other industrialized countries and when politics gets into the bedroom of couples all what can follow is only sorrow.

Or to say it with Henry Kissinger:"No one will win the battle of the genders. There is just too much fraternizing with the enemy"..

Posted by: Volga Trader

A different tack on this.

Are Russian women who date foreigners politically conservative or liberal? Most Russian women I know from work or socially think Maggie Thatcher was outstanding. But most of these woman are happily married, not looking elsewhere and at least in the middle of the social order.

Posted by: Doug in Devon

I haven't posted much as yet, but find a great deal of what is written here very interesting.
I'm not very interested in politics but you can put me in with the Liberals.
My religious beliefs are Wiccan (Pagan).
My interest in Russian women came about after I had been contacted by a scammer! I have always been fascinated by Russia and my letters to Elena got me on the net researching Russia and its people.
I am not looking for a traditional wife / housewife, I like to cook and I'm capable of tidying up after myself. But I believe that Russian women place more importance on the things in life that really matter. For clarity - that's not what badge a car has or whether we own all the latest gadgets.

Posted by: Lafe

By lurking in the RMP, I think I have noticed every walk of life, many different personalities, a very broad spectrum of people. I have seen, on these boards, many different views of people/politics. The interesting part, for me, is how all these people, worldwide, have united into a family, helping each other, being there for each other, in spite of some cultural differences. I'm not sure I could catagorize the majority of people here. I voted no real trend.

Posted by: bobjf

lafe you have just stated something that has been missed by a lot of people
rmp is more like a large extended family,dosen't matter what you do,your politics or where you hail from.

everyone is equal here

Posted by: firemansam

You are a troll.

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khashyar

I think that unfortunately, in America, a person's politics has become too important.

Radio talk show hosts from different parties talk in a way that divide people, rather than talk about things and emphasize what is really important in life.

I actually feel disappointed when some people make judgements based on politics, or place too much emphasis on whether someone might be a Democrat, Republican, Conservative or Liberal, when there are things that we can enjoy talking about that bring us together, and not divide us.

I like the concept of what President Bush said when he fisrt came into office that "I am a uniter, not a divider."

I would want us all to have the same intention and attitude.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a political discussion, just to really understand what are the cultural and political politics of most men who are seeking Russian spouses.

Another interesting question is what is the politics of a Western woman who is a relationship with a Russian man (but maybe we should create a seperate thread about that).

Khashyar

Ideological debate is not divisive its healthy. It wouldnt seem to be so divisive if the ideological differences werent so stark. At the heart of liberalism is the idea that the elite/government knows whats best for you and your tax dollars. Conservatives tend to believe that you know whats best for you and your tax dollars.

Social Security privatization is a perfect example. The liberals believe that the average american is too stupid to handle there own money that allowing them to control a small percentage of those SSI dollars is too dangerous and the populace is too stupid to handle the money. Never mind that these same representatives have a similar plan in place for there own benefit.

The conservative stance is that americans know whats best for there future. That even something as simple as CD's are going to provide a better rate of return than the current system.

Its an example but it shows clearly the ideological differences in the respective camps

Posted by: Keith In Kodiak

Again I find myself agreeing with Rob, at least partially.

Liberalism is for the weak. It's for those who don't trust themselves to control their own lives and destiny. They want government to provide them with housing, medical care, etc. They are afraid of life and want government to remove all things that might "harm" them. Guns, knives, SUV's...

Conservatism is for the self-reliant. However, most conservative movements have an unhealthy nationalist or religious element in the ranks and can also stick it's controlling nose into the lives of the citizen. It's not as bad as Liberalism but it's undoubtedly there.

Oddly, "Liberalism" at one time stood for greater freedoms. The original liberals were based on the teachings of John Locke who espoused less government control, less taxation, more individual and economic freedoms.
Conservatives then, were essentially the House of Lords and the King. Those whose money and power were hereditary. They wanted power and economics firmly held in the hands of the few.
At some point, both in the UK and the US, the positions began to reverse. Now the Liberals are those who want power and economic control centralized and held in government hands. They favor removing or restricting most civil liberties
The conservatives now hold the old Liberal position, wanting greater civil liberties, removal of government restrictions on economic freedom, less taxation, etc, etc.

Even more oddly, many people don't even realize what their political party stands for. They've swallowed the propaganda and can no longer see the reality. Most liberals in this country will firmly and proudly tell you that The Democratic (liberal) party is the one espousing greater freedoms. Yet, if you look at the individual planks that a democratic presidential candidate has added to their agenda, it becomes obvious that each and every one is based on increasing government controls, removing some civil or economic liberty, etc.

The same is often true of conservatives, in a slightly different way. They want more freedom and less government... until it involves, homosexuals, abortion, religion, etc, etc.

I'll continue to vote Libertarian as a protest vote. And I'll continue to hope that the Republicans win since they are slightly less harmful and marginally more honest than the Democrats.

Posted by: searcher

I also agree with Rob and Keith...

but then I guess it has been known for quite some time now that i'm a Libertarian.

Posted by: Volga Trader

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak

SNIP

Oddly, "Liberalism" at one time stood for greater freedoms. The original liberals were based on the teachings of John Locke who espoused less government control, less taxation, more individual and economic freedoms.
Conservatives then, were essentially the House of Lords and the King. Those whose money and power were hereditary. They wanted power and economics firmly held in the hands of the few.

SNIP

You are absolutely right about the Anglo Saxon history of "Liberal" but in most continental European countries, the Liberals are still very muxh free market parties. Liberal also has a strong Free Market meaning in Russia although Russian Liberals also tend to be rich and well meaning (the achilles heel of Liberalism). Even in the UK, the Liberal Democrats occasionally have spasms of historical introspection and suggest that their Free Market past should be given more prominence.

Posted by: heyjimi

i'll throw my two cents in as well,i am a conservative,God,country,family values,

Posted by: ira156

As Donny and Marie once sung...." im a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll".......

Posted by: North55

Left Social Democrat, Anti-monarchy (therefore republican!), aetheist, heavily Green - which means I have to vote Liberal in England. In Wales or Scotland, I would probably vote Nationalist which (re posts earlier) does not mean right wing here!

Labour is too right wing, and far too apologist for electing a meglomaniac as leader. I was once a member, and local office holder.

Re US Republicans. My observation is that they stand for the massive transfer of public funds (tax dollars) from the poor and sick, to their mates in agriculture, oil and military-connected industries, thus hugely distorting the free market they espouse, not only in the US, but for the rest of us. But hey, that doesn't stop me from drinking with them, particularly in Kyiv. Or anyone for that matter.

Posted by: ira156

Quote:

Originally Posted by North55

Left Social Democrat, Anti-monarchy (therefore republican!), aetheist, heavily Green - which means I have to vote Liberal in England. In Wales or Scotland, I would probably vote Nationalist which (re posts earlier) does not mean right wing here!

Labour is too right wing, and far too apologist for elected a meglomaniac as leader. I was once a member, and local office holder.

Re US Republicans. My observation is that they stand for the massive transfer of public funds (tax dollars) from the poor and sick, to their mates in agriculture, oil and military-connected industries, thus hugely distorting the free market they espouse, not only in the US, but for the rest of us. But hey, that doesn't stop me from drinking with them, particularly in Kyiv. Or anyone for that matter.

Hey welcome North...Remember if you are not a Rebublican you are one of those god damn commies or AArabs....Im sure you will fit in well here mate....take some of the heat of me

Posted by: Chrismc

Welcome North.........what part of Newcastle are you from, I lived up there for a couple of years, what a great City and fantastic people to be around.

Chris

Posted by: North55

Gosforth, for 20 years.

Brought up in Putney, London and Somerset though.
More Yeovil Town than Newcastle United if you know what I mean.

Et tu?

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by North55

Gosforth, for 20 years.

Brought up in Putney, London and Somerset though.
More Yeovil Town than Newcastle United if you know what I mean.

Et tu?

Ahhhh near the rugby club! yes I know it, quite a nice area.

Posted by: Ronin_FM3

Well, I'm pretty much a Libertarian. It's pretty interesting to see that a rather wide spectrum of belief is present here!

Posted by: freebird

Hey so I think I'm the first Canuck on this thread... I would probably be Libertarian like searcher. Do they still have the Monster Raving Loony party in the U.K.? I might vote for that!

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebird

Hey so I think I'm the first Canuck on this thread... I would probably be Libertarian like searcher. Do they still have the Monster Raving Loony party in the U.K.? I might vote for that!

It is still an officially registered Political Party

but since the death of Screaming Lord Such 3rd Earl of Harrow in 1999 ;((( it has more or less ceased.

Posted by: Rockyof Florida

I am a moderate. I have both conservative and liberal points of view. It depends on the issue at hand.

Posted by: Longfellow

Very interetting to read the ideologies posted in this thread.

While I could not comment on the poll of "... most men..." I can tell of myself. This is a question has been asked of me quite a few times recently... I'm not sure why.
I say I'm middle of the road, but that is not entirely accurate. I have strong Libertarian beliefs (thanks but I don't need more parentalism from the gov't. My mother and father are plenty!). I have very conservative attitudes on things like welfare and personal finances but then lean to liberalism regarding issues such as a abortion and border politics.
If you want to walk on both sides of the street, it helps to have long legs!