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Should Scotland be a nation?
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Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Should Scotland be a separate nation?

I've traced my family line to 1700 and we are Scots. In fact to my knowledge I am the first of my line in over 300 years to have returned there last summer.

I see a ground swell in Scotland for creating a national separation from the UK.

Do we have any Scots in the forum membership?

Scotland was separate prior to 1707 or around then.

How do you feel about Scotland being once again independent of the United Kingdom someday?

I hope to hear from the Brits and Irish on this issue, and anyone with interest.
For, against, or curious and undecided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_nationalism

The second strongest political party in Scotland (and growing) backs the idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Scottish Seperatist Group: "The Scottish Separatist Group (SSG) was formed in October 1995 by former members and supporters of the Scottish National Liberation Army (SNLA). The SSG is a legal political organization which functions openly and non-violently, while giving political support to the SNLA. . . . The SSG has three main aims. These are: 1) To halt and reverse mass English Immigration into Scotland; 2) To restore Gaelic as the national language of all Scotland; 3) To establish and maintain a totally independent Scottish Republic." While the SSG is a legal organization, the SNLA is a banned terrorist organization that was originally formed in the early 1980s. In the beginning, they were responsible for a variety of bombings and mailed letter bombs. Since that time, they have evolved towards what they call a "strategy of disruption" or "strategic disruption," which involves planting hoax bombs in major shopping areas, then calling in bomb threats. This forces authorities to shut down shopping areas and results in lost revenue. The idea is that, eventually, Scotland will become an expensive liability.

http://ssg.maoism.ru/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti...Liberation_Army

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Not knowing to much about the SNLA I really can't comment on them with any authority. It apears to me they were left in the dark by the IRA and so no-one apart from some Scots really took them seriously anyway.

I cannot and would never condone violence in any form as a means of gaining a seperate entity. Just because some people do it doesn't mean to get it back the Scots have to use violence as a method to regain what they desire. I like Ghandi's idea of peaceful protests and just refusing wothout any other form of action to comply with the governments ideas. In fact I can see this coming in Australia maybe within 5 years if the die-hard unionists dont upset the apple cart and make an already rambunctious government a real pain in the working class butt.

As for Scotland being it own entity well it already is in many ways, it has its own parliament just as it did before 1802 and it has its own legal and other systems that are not like Englands. There are only 2 real hindrances to Scotland gaining full seperation from the rest of the British Isle is 1) England will never give up matters concerning defence of Britian as a whole and 2) the Scots love the Royals and even asked Anne?, I think it was, to be the first Queen of Scotland in 200 years.

The other problems is what do they do with the English population in Scotland? Do they deny them the vote in a seperatists vote because if they did it would be a denial of humand rights and if they didn't Scotland would never seperate.

Good topic.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Thanks OZ for the posting.
Yes I remember the border clearly marked going into Scotland, and that is where the rain started too.

I remember the British Pound Notes said Bank of Scotland on them. Do they have their own currency too?

Come on Brits and Irish, let me hear from you guys on this topic.

I am curious and undecided on this one. I really hope to hear from someone there.....what you feel about this.

Is it serious?

Posted by: zaniac

William Wallace is alive and back, on guard!

(only joking)

I can't see why N.Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England don't all become one nation and simply re-badge ourseleves. Theres enough integration between these nationalities already. Pick a new location for parliment, hold fresh elections and..........well actually probably nobody would want this anyway, so I'll end it there

Posted by: Chrismc

A couple of years ago they carried out a small survey, this is the jist of what came out of it:-

A quarter of the English population believe Scotland should become independent, according to a survey. The British Social Attitudes report from the National Centre for Social Research looked at attitudes to English and Scottish nationalism following devolution.

The survey found that the English largely accepted the rights of Scotland and Wales to their own parliaments, while a quarter would be happy to see Scotland achieving independence.

The conclusions were welcomed by the Scottish National Party which said that Scotland and England should function as equal, independent nations.

A sample of 2,700 people were interviewed in England while, in Scotland, about 1,500 were questioned.

The researchers found that 32% of people living in England saw themselves as more English than British, and 24% of English people believed Scotland should become completely independent.

Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, was one of the academics who compiled the report.

This is what he said: "It still is only a quarter of people in England who want us to be independent, so the majority of people in England would still like Scotland to remain in the union.

"The way it works is really very simple.

"What seems to be happening to some degree in England is that rather more people are drawing a distinction between being English and being British.

"About a third of people now think of themselves as being English rather more than they think of themselves being British, while it was only a quarter two years ago.

"If we look at the attitudes of those people they say: 'Being English isn't the same thing is being British, so we also accept that Scotland is not the same thing as Britain'.

Nationalist feeling

"What you find is that those people who you would describe as being English nationalists are in fact the people in England who are most in favour of Scottish independence.

"I think the most important thing now is that very few people actually oppose the idea of Scotland having her own institutions.

"Only one in eight people in England now are opposed to Scotland having some kind of Scottish parliament.

"Certainly it looks as though there has been a change in attitudes in England, to Scotland, and indeed also to Wales, in the wake of devolution."

"If we look to the situation in 1997, immediately after the general election, before Scotland had voted for devolution, there was still a quarter of people who were opposed to the idea of devolution, though even then most people in England supported the idea that Scotland should have some kind of parliament.

"But that opposition, such as it was, has fallen away and I think we can now say that the idea of Scotland having our own parliament is as much the settled will of people in England as it is the settled will of people in Scotland."

'Independence process'

SNP culture spokesman Mike Russell said: "Scotland and England should be independent nations, co-operating with each another on an equal basis.

"This survey confirms that devolution is part of the independence process, which is most developed in Scotland, but is now well underway in England too.

"England has a great history of democracy and tolerance.

"The growth of an English national identity based on civic values is a welcome part of the process of developing new relationships on these islands, based upon equality and mutual respect."

Chris

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Thanks Zaniac and Chrismc for posting.

Chrismc your post was especially informative and detailed. Special thanks for taking the trouble.

I will add that while there I felt that many Brits sort of thought the Scots were of the opinion they were "better than anyone else" in a good natured way.

The Scots did not appear to me to be stuck up at all, but did seem very self-confident of themselves ( the ones I got to know).

I was impressed with everyone in the UK really. I did met a couple on the Tube in London from Wales, and could have used a translator's help! When they saw me looking lost, they started to speak Queen's English, and it was ok then. I don't know what they were speaking before but it sounded nice.

I really loved my time there and want to return soon.
I must admit I only saw Edinburgh so there is much about Scotland I do not know.

I became aware of this nationality issue after reading about Sean Connery (sp) and his recent operation for a tumor. He is very much in favor of a Scotland Nation.

Anymore info on the thinking of UK citizens and others is most appreciated.

Posted by: mistermopar

Hey Bob,I am of Scottish decent,but I would not know what to say about creating a national separation since I have never been there.

My family tree is well recorded back to around 1263.
My distant relitives built Duart Castle in the Isle of Mull in the 13th centry.
It is the same castle that they used in the movie Entrapment with Sean Connery.
I just love looking at all of the history from my family,someday I will make it there.

Randy

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Scotland was fantastic!
It rains gently often but still has a mystic and beauty to behold, especially the highlands.

Edinburgh is a fasinating city and the Military Tattoo Festival was incredible to see live. It is world reknown and sells out each year 5-6 months in advance.

http://www.edintattoo.co.uk/

Here is nice picture of the Duart Castle you mentioned.

Could your relatives maybe rent me a flat there cheap?
I tried to find Hogwarts but it was well hidden from us muggles.

Posted by: mistermopar

Bob,why rent,just tell them I said it would be ok for you to stay there...LOL

Randy

Posted by: Texas Proud

I have not read this whole thread, but will later..

I think that Scotland is a country, but not a separate country... I think it should be left up the the whole UK...

As for Wales, I do not think it was a separate country.. is it? Well, at least for a long time... is this not what the Prince is over??

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai_Bob

I was impressed with everyone in the UK really. I did met a couple on the Tube in London from Wales, and could have used a translator's help! When they saw me looking lost, they started to speak Queen's English, and it was ok then. I don't know what they were speaking before but it sounded nice.

It was probably Welsh they were speaking? or if not English with a Welsh accent which is just as hard to understand sometimes.

Quote:

I became aware of this nationality issue after reading about Sean Connery (sp) and his recent operation for a tumor. He is very much in favor of a Scotland Nation.

From his days as a young man in the Royal Navy, Sir Sean Connery still bears two tattoos on his arm. One says "Mum and Dad" showing his love of family. The other is inscribed "Scotland Forever" - demonstrating a loyalty and fierce patriotism.

He also used to help campaign on behalf of the SNP.

Chris

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

Nice topic. I'd welcome a complete devolution of the UK to its constituent parts, and I think it would be a welcome modernisation to the British Isles - and of course, given the history, there's no way that we'd see a disintegration of co-operation then....it would still be in everyone's interests to work together closely given the common set of values.

But it would certainly give a freshness to these musty, but sceptred, isles

As OzGuy says, the biggest obstacle would probably be the defence issue....but I'm sure that would still be resolvable.

Ade

Posted by: Chrismc

SB.......as you seem to be very interested in Scotland, the UK etc thought you may like some more information:-

How Scotland Got Its Name

You may already know that Scotland got its name from the "Scoti" or "Scotti" a Gaelic speaking people who had come from Ireland around 500AD and settled in Argyll (named then D�l Riata or Dalriada). But where did the Scoti get their name from?

According to the "Scotichronicon" - one of the earliest histories of Scotland written in the 1440s, there was a legend that a Greek prince called Gaythelos was banished, with his wife Scota, the daughter of an Egyptian Pharoah. He sailed westwards and landed in Spain. From there, he and his followers explored further and one of his sons, named Hiber, found an island (later called Ireland) which he named Scotia, after his mother. So Gaythelos' name gave rise to "Gaelic", Hiber gave rise to Hibernia and Scota gave rise to Scotia and then Scotland. The Scotichronicon does not explain, however, why Ireland is no longer called Scotia and why the Scoti came to Argyll.

Another variation on this legend suggests that an Egyptian princess married the King of Portugal in the 4th century. She brought the Stone of Destiny (Jacob's pillow in the Bible) as a dowry. Her daughter, named Scota, married the King of Ireland's son and her descendants called themselves the Children of Scota.

Unfortunately, while the connection between the Scoti of D�l Riata and Ireland is undoubted, there is no documentary evidence for the earlier parts of the legend.

Chris

Posted by: Chrismc

For a small country, Scotland has had a number of languages over the years and a number of confusing terms used to desribe them. Here's a brief outline.

When the Romans arrived in Scotland in 80AD, neither Gaelic nor English were in use. The language used was a form of "Brythonic" which can best be described as early Welsh.

North of the Forth/Clyde valley the Picts spoke a variant of this language (though as they left no written records, apart from a list of kings written in Latin, plus their stone symbols carved in stone (see above), the precise nature of their language is unknown).

Later the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians, speaking Germanic dialects, advanced from the Humber estuary as far as the Firth of Forth.

Meantime, the Scots from Ireland were establishing themselves in Argyll in the west - eventually they overcame and merged with the Picts, obliterating their identity and establishing Gaelic as the language of the Highlands. In the 9th century, Kenneth mac Alpin expanded his kingdom south of the river Forth to the river Tweed. One of his daughters married into the royal family of Strathclyde and this eventually resulted in that kingdom becoming part of Scotland. Thus, by the 10th and 11th centuries, Gaelic was the main language over much of Scotland.

By the 9th century Scandinavian Vikings were invading much of the western and northern coastline and in Orkney and Shetland Islands in the north, settling and introducing elements of their language.

In the second half of the 12th century, King Malcolm III (known also as Malcolm Canmore) married Margaret, a descendant of the English King Alfred. She introduced English into the court. Anglo-Norman English had already been encroaching, encouraged by the Norman and Flemish aristocracy who were granted land by King David I (who had spent his formative years in the English court). Eventually, the common people came to speak a type of Northern English which, with Viking influences, developed into Scots. Thus Scots was derived, like English, from "Old English", the language of the Angles, a Germanic tribe who crossed the North Sea and became established on the east coast of what is now England.

In the 13th to 16th centuries the links with France and the "Auld Alliance" resulted in a number of French words coming into the Scots language.

The Union of the Crowns in 1603, the King James VI bible and the Union of Parliaments in 1707 hastened the demise of Scots. Lists of "Scotticisms" were drawn up - Scots words to be avoided by the educated classes.

Scots ballads and poetry survived longer and poets such as Robert Burns (1759-1796) kept the language alive in that form.

Lallans is the name given to the variety of Scots spoken in the Scottish Lowlands (it comes from the Scots word for Lowlands). There is also a "literary" version, referred to as Lallans, used by some 20th century Scottish writers (notably Hugh MacDiarmid).

At one time, the term "Doric" (derived from a form of Greek spoken by the Dorians) was used to describe any rural dialect of English, but especially from the Scottish Lowlands. But is now applied only to the dialect of the north-east of Scotland in Aberdeenshire.

Around 1% of people living in Scotland today speak Gaelic. It is estimated that, as a result of immigration, there are more people in Scotland speaking the languages of the Indian sub-continent than speaking Gaelic.

Posted by: Chrismc

Geography of Scotland

Scotland's mainland is 275 miles (440km) from north (Cape Wrath) to south (Mull of Galloway) and 154 miles (248km) at its widest point (Buchan Ness to Applecross).

But the furthest you can get away from the sea is 40/50 miles.

At its narrowest, Scotland is only 25 miles wide (from the estuaries of the rivers Clyde and Forth).

Its land area is just over 30,000 square miles.

The most northerly point on the mainland is Dunnet Head in Caithness.

The coastline of mainland Scotland is 6,200 miles long.

Scotland makes up over 30% of the area of the United Kingdom (with less than 10% of the UK population).

The Shetland Islands are nearer to Oslo, capital of Norway, than London, capital of the United Kingdom.

The highest mountain in the UK is Ben Nevis (4,418 feet).

There are 790 islands off the coast of Scotland of which 130 are inhabited.

Scotland's longest river is the Tay (120 miles).

Chris

Posted by: Chrismc

Union of the Parliaments 1707

The reasons for the Union of the Parliaments (which was vastly unpopular with the ordinary Scottish people even though most of them at that time did not have the vote) were complex and varied. They can be summarised as follows:

From the Union of the Crowns in 1603, England and Scotland had one monarch but two Parliaments. While this worked most of the time, there were occasions when the two institutions parted company - such as when England Executed King Charles I (to the distress of many in Scotland) and became a republic, while at the same time Scotland's governing body resolved to appoint King Charles II as their monarch. From the perspective of the leaders in London, such a situation had to be avoided in the future and the removal of the Scottish Parliament was seen as a way of achieving this.
Following the abdication of King James VII and the accession of William and Mary, the Scottish Parliament were in agreement and declared a few months later that James VII had forfeited the Scottish throne. But there were many in Scotland who still supported the deposed monarch. There were even uprisings in Scotland in support of James and the Jacobite cause was still bubbling away at the turn of the century.
There was still a large measure of religious intolerance in both England and Scotland and those in power were determined that there should never again be a Catholic monarch. But the deposed Stuart line (with their Catholic sympathies) really had a stronger claim on the throne and again there were more in Scotland who felt that this should count. When the English Parliament decided, without consultation with their Scottish counterparts, that the crown should go via the Electress of Hanover, the German granddaughter of King James VI and through her to her son (the future King George I), the Scots Parliament made plain their resentment.
There were a number of poor harvests in Scotland in the 1690s and Scotland's economic position was then drastically worsened by the ill-fated Darien Scheme to create a Scottish colony in Panama. Scotland lost 25% of its liquid assets. The Act of Union undertook to pay 400,000 pounds in compensation to those who had incurred these losses. This was of course blatant bribery as the people who were to benefit from this compensation were amongst those who voted in favour of the Union.
Scotland relied on 50% of its exports going to England. In an act of blackmail in 1705, the English Parliament closed their market to Scottish cattle, coal and linen and declared that all Scots would be treated as aliens. It showed the vulnerability of Scotland to a trade war. In addition, Scotland was excluded from England's colonial territories - indeed early moves towards a union of the parliaments stumbled in England as they were reluctant to allow open access. But the Act of Union in 1707 created the greatest free trade area in the world at that time.

Act of Union 1707
A commission representing the two bodies met and thrashed out the details. The Scots lost the argument for a federal arrangement but did manage to secure the continuation of the Scottish legal system, education and church. These were important elements in allowing the country to continue to regard itself as a separate entity. The privileges of the Scottish royal burghs were also to be maintained. Debates in the Scottish Parliament were heated and lengthy while the crowds in the streets burnt copies of the treaty and threw stones at the Parliament windows. A mob held the city of Glasgow for a month. But on January 16, 1707, the Treaty of Union was passed by 110 votes to 67 (with more than a suspicion that some of the poorer Members of Parliament had been bribed - though this was nothing new for those days). The Treaty was passed in Westminster without opposition and the Scottish Parliament met for the last time on 25 March 1707.

When the Act of Union was given the Royal Assent by the Earl of Seafield, he touched the document with the royal sceptre saying "There's the end of an auld sang." Nearly 300 years later, at the "re-convening" of Parliament in Edinburgh in 1999, the Presiding Officer was to remark that it was the "start of a new sang".

Writing later, Sir Walter Scott summed up the attitude of the Scottish "man in the street" at the time in the words of one of his characters: "I ken, when we had a king, and a chancellor, and parliament - men o' our ain, we could aye peeble them wi' stones when they werena gude bairns - But naebody's nails can reach the length o' Lunnon"

Chris

Posted by: zaniac

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Originally Posted by Samurai_Bob

When they start singing in groups, then you'll want to run for the hills and far away, lol

I have a Welsh neighbour, I admit I do like his accent.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Thanks Chris, this stuff interests me alot.

I do have some Q's? for you though. Where did you get the info from and why the classification of the original language of Scotland as old Welsh. There has been some deabte recently, by that I mean in the last 10 years, as to what the original people of Scotland were. We now from the Romans that the Scoti had been in Scotland even before they arrived and rhewy had started to settle in the Strathclyde region. Which is also known as Strathclyde Wales after the people who were there when the Angles arrived and set up the Kingdom of Mercia under Offa the Great (who was the first King in Britain to be given the Great title, as far as I am aware anyway).

The Romans also speak of the Caledoni who gave their name to Caledonia which is Scotland also. The Picts are a strange group and cause the most crap in the so called academic circles. What were they? Well there is no doubt they were British Kelts, DNA tests have put that to rest. But their language is not really known about apart from what you have already mentioned. Heres a twister for you all though. There are a people who are the descendant of a group called the Tocharians, they live on what was the old silk road in western China. Their DNA and other cultural items such as clothes etc. are British Keltic in origin, well sorry that is wrong they are western china in origin but they are identical to British Keltic and more specifically to Pictish.
Ok what does Picti mean? apparently in Latin it means Painted People this the blue faces in Braveheart etc. They also ran around, like their continental cousins the Gauls, absolutely stark raving naked in battle.

Last, but by no means least, check out he C.E.L.T. database from one of the unis in Ireland. C.E.L.T. stand for Corpus of ELectronic Text and it has most, if not all the Irish and British legends on the net for you to read in the Gaelic and English and sometimes other languages. I particulary like the way the Irish felt they were decended from one of Noah's sons.

History becomes Myth and Myth becomes Legend and there are non that now live who remember them.

Excellent info Chris thanks mate.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by zaniac

When they start singing in groups, then you'll want to run for the hills and far away, lol

I have a Welsh neighbour, I admit I do like his accent.

My family are Scottish on my old mans side and we have Welsh, sorry Cymraeg, friends. They have brilliant singing voices to the Welsh. 2 peoples on this fine planet can sing really well and that is Sub-Saharan Africans and the Welsh. I would love to hear a Chior with both groups doing a mixture of each others cultural music material, what an awesome experiance that would be.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Thank you Chrismc for all the info.
super!

Posted by: Chrismc

Michael

I have some more information which may be of interest to you a brief history of the Welsh language I got most of this information from the Llanegwad site.

Llanegwad is not well known in Wales, almost unknown outside of Wales and even Wales itself is often regarded as a part of England.

The parishes of Llanegwad and Abergwili cover a large area north of the River Tywi in county of Carmarthen. You can find more here http://www.llanegwad-carmarthen.co.uk/index.htm

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Modern Welsh is a descendant of Celtic, one branch of the Indo-European family of languages, and thus ultimately derives from a common Proto-Indo-European language used by the nomadic tribes of Europe and Western Asia about 5,000 years ago. The Celts were at the height of their powers in the 4th century BC, occupying most of central and eastern Europe as well as Gaul (modern France); from Gaul they spread south-west into Spain and north-west into the British Isles, displacing or exterminating the native peoples. In time the Celtic language separated into two related forms, Continental Celtic in mainland Europe and Insular Celtic in the British Isles. For centuries Continental Celtic co-existed with Latin in the Roman Empire, but it ultimately fell victim to the Romance languages, such as French and Spanish, which were derived from Latin; its final demise came when the Germanic-speaking Goths, Ostrogoths and Visigoths from northern Europe succeeded the Romans as the masters of western Europe. Insular Celtic alone survived.

Insular Celtic itself falls into two branches: Brythonic (from Brython �Briton�) and Goidelic (from Goidel �Irishman�). This simple division situation is often made to appear more complicated than it really is as Brythonic is also called British by some scholars and Old Welsh by others. Similarly, Goidelic is called Gaelic (from Gael the modern form of Goidel) in some sources and in Ireland is now generally called Irish.

In the 5th century the Irish colonists invaded western Scotland and the Isle of Man, displacing the native, probably non-Indo-European, Pictish language with their own; this subsequently developed into Scottish Gaelic, which still thrives, and the now-extinct Manx language. To this day Irish and Scottish Gaelic, particularly in the written form, remain very close.

England and Wales were occupied by the Romans from AD 70 to AD 410 and the British tongue was therefore strongly influenced by Latin. It was displaced in England by a distantly related Indo-European language, Anglo-Saxon, from about AD 450, following Anglo-Saxon colonization from northern Europe, but still survives in Wales as Welsh. (Ironically it was an Anglo-Saxon word walas meaning �foreigners� which gave the name both to that country and its language.) A British-speaking pocket also remained in the county of Cornwall in the far south-west of England until 1800. It was from Cornwall in the 6th and 7th centuries that refugees from Anglo-Saxon pressure sailed across the channel to what was to become Brittany, taking with them their language which still survives under the name of Breton. Thus it is that the only Celtic language now found on the continent of Europe is Insular rather than Continental Celtic.

(This brief history of Insular Celtic is of necessity somewhat simplified: the Celts were a mobile tribal people and it is known that there were Brythonic as well as Goidelic speakers in Ireland at an early date; likewise Goidelic raiders colonized areas of Wales during the centuries after AD 400 and that language was certainly used at times by some of the ruling classes there. Some scholars also recognise another division into �P-Celtic� and �Q-Celtic� based on probable pronunciation � thus cenn in Ireland, ben in Scotland and pen in Wales, each meaning �head, summit�, are in fact the same word.)

In England, Anglo-Saxon, initially influenced by Celtic and Latin, and, later, by the closely related Norse or Old Scandinavian spoken by Vikings, who arrived England in the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries, grew into Old English. The inroads made by the Vikings into the coastal areas of Wales can, incidentally, be traced in place-names such as Swansea and Skomer. Following William the Conqueror�s invasion from Normandy in 1066, Old English in its turn incorporated many Norman-French words and became Middle English. In 1267, Norman French was still the language of Henry III�s court, but the majority of the English inhabitants of the Welsh Marches would have spoken Middle English.

Chris

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Ta Chris

Posted by: Raspberry

Then there are the "Geordies", the folks right near the border(Newcastle, Durham, etc.) THAT's a whole different accent......a lot of folks from Glasgow can't understand them, and neither can many Londoners.

Posted by: Chrismc

Yes I lived in Newcastle for a couple of years, the party town of the UK every night is party night, after a few Newcy Browns you understand enough to get by he he the rest of the time you need some translation pet!!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

Then there are the "Geordies", the folks right near the border(Newcastle, Durham, etc.) THAT's a whole different accent......a lot of folks from Glasgow can't understand them, and neither can many Londoners.

That would be because the folks from Glasgow have an accent between them and the Geordies. The whole british isle regions is such a mixture of accents you can travle 50 moles and be in a new accent area.

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

travle 50 moles and be in a new accent area.

Is that a Geordie term he he

BTW Oz maybe now the Clever 1 has shown up again we can get in to he and Randy again to come clean? whats the chances?

Posted by: clever1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrismc

Is that a Geordie term he he

BTW Oz maybe now the Clever 1 has shown up again we can get in to he and Randy again to come clean? whats the chances?

Its definately off, he ain't called, texted or pm,d me...............

frflowr:

John

Posted by: clever1

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

That would be because the folks from Glasgow have an accent between them and the Geordies. The whole british isle regions is such a mixture of accents you can travle 50 moles and be in a new accent area.

How many moles to you get to the gillan ?

John

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by clever1

Its definately off, he ain't called, texted or pm,d me...............

frflowr:

John

He has been two timing you John he he ditch him quick!!!! before he asks you to get your wallet out

Chris

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

I'll let you clever Brits figure out the moths, ha ha, after al we ozzies are just colonials and need the paternalistic help of old mother england just to get by.

Kidding gents..... or am I

Posted by: RBS

Scotland is a great nation. They produced Burns, Hume, Smith. Man that is a serious track record. Let's applaud Scotland which is a great contributor to culture and wit. I have nothing but good things to say about these people.

Gib