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American friends Attitude towards your Russian Woman
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Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Guys, why do like my friends fail to believe in my happiness.Why would a good friend not congratulate me on engagement and instead say stuff like she just wants to get to USA, or your woman will leave you for a man with bigger money!!I wanted to knock some teeth out but My fists would break because I have to hit too many people.WHy are AMericans so stupid!!

Posted by: inlove

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Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Guys, why do like my friends fail to believe in my happiness.Why would a good friend not congratulate me on engagement and instead say stuff like she just wants to get to USA, or your woman will leave you for a man with bigger money!!I wanted to knock some teeth out but My fists would break because I have to hit too many people.WHy are AMericans so stupid!!

That's because you are on a nineth cloud of heaven, and they are down to earth, deeply rooted in reality. It is not an excuse for friends to be not supporvie in your endevours, though.. Even if the high percentage of this kind of relationships end the way they predict, a true friend should not be that discouraging.

Posted by: jpierce55

Most of my friends are convinced all Russian women are prostitutes, even the ones here either are or were. I would not say they are grounded in reality, it is grounded in ignorance.

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

It is just amazing to me how shallow minded people are.Like some woman is going to come over here just to get over here. Never mind the fact that I spent over 50 hours talking face to face with Sasha ok.I am not a rocket scientist but I know a bad person when I see one

When my friends got engaged I said congratulations brother.
I would venture most people that have successful marriage with Russian women built the relationship on values and principles and telling each other the truth. Maybe I should walk around like a Russian and never smile and act mad all the time and then they would say congratulations. Thanks you guys, just needed to know I am not the only one here that ran into this situation. Russian woman are human beings man and how dare people suggest because a country is poor a woman would do anyting out of desperation.
I would hope that any man that had planned to marry a Russian woman knew his woman very well.A guy should be able to tell or not what kinda person he is getting involved with. I guess I was not expecting my friends to be so shallow

My guest list is getting shorter and shorter. When they meet my woman then and only then they will understand I guess. Shallow lazy and fat Americans!!Oh, thats right I am American!!
Moral of the story is, If your friend says he is engaged say CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM!!

Posted by: PrincetonLion

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Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Maybe I should walk around like a Russian and never smile and act mad all the time

So, this is your idea about Russians?

Posted by: inlove

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Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

So, this is your idea about Russians?

Yeah, I guess Sammy&Sasha is an ignorant american as well.

Posted by: yodaamnot

Hi Sammy&Sasha,

When I first started to do my research on the Russian culture and sought advise on how to break it to my mates about the possibility of writing to FSU females, I posted my question on this site and the advise provided on this site was to not inform anyone until you have met the girl in person and find out for yourself whether both of you are suited for each other.

The advise provided was through their experience, their friends reacted the same way as you described in your post. Hopefully given time when they have met your Sasha they will have a different opinion.

All the best and keep us informed about your progress.

Posted by: searcher

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Originally Posted by inlove

I agree that he is very euphoric and we all hope that we have found the right person regardless of where they live but do you really believe a high percentage are just 'green card' seeker and such????

Posted by: aldenboxer

It is my first time writting on this sight. I just wanted to say, if your friends do not want to except your happiness and decision to look for your love in another country find new friends!!! Every friend i have talked to about Anna (ukraine), was excited for me and can not wait to meet her. Just my thought!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Ok I am Euphoric and completely nutso!! Maybe I am just smart for taking my time in life and waiting to find Mrs. Right Other than my brothers and sister my friends marriage seems so bland and part of the old I better get something before its too late and then you see the I settled for this marriage. I am not going to fight a battle I can't to win!! Jealousy is big among the weak minded. So I will just be Euphoric and continue to shorten the guest list to my wedding

Thanks for the help.

P.S. Sorry but when I met a greek guy in Odecca he was like how come everyone is so serious, and I said thats just the way these people are. I told him if you want to look like the locals just don't smile cuase they will think you are strange and look pissed off. Any Russian people out there can sympathise with my statement here ok. My God I love a Ukraine woman so I am not putting any race down.I certainly do not want to offend anyone ok. You can make fun of americans if you want to ok

Posted by: musica

I read your question as to why some of your friends are reluctant to embrace your decision in getting involved with a russian girl. I have to say this is a case by case situation. We can't judge every person based on there roots. I'm american and it infuriates me when people from other countries view every american woman as superficial, overly ambitious and selfish. There are so many women here that want a simple life and will stick with there husbands no matter how bad they treat them. In fact, there is too much of it here. I left my husband because he was irresponsible and had no manhood whatsoever. He was well on his way to making my family homeless. He dated all sorts of women and always lost out the good ones particularly the ones that were older, closest to his age, attractive with standards. He had nothing to offer them. Women like that demand more because they know what they are offering and have great intentions for there children. My ex-husband married a girl from Ukraine..BINGO..and she wan't a mail order deal it just sort of fell in to his lap. Technically, she is too young for him, but he's pretty imature so, it evens out. She seemed really sweet and I gave them my blessing when he told me he wanted to marry her. Unfortunately, she is jealous and selfish and I can't even talk with him about urgent matters without her pouting. Luckily, they live far away. He was always a slacker but now he's worse. He owes me so much money in child support. Hes spent tens of thousands of dollars sending her back and forth to Europe and on her school of course and then he tells me not to take my daughter to the doctor unless its an absolute emergency and his wife is fine with this. As far as she is concerned my life and needs and my daughters life, her safety, her needs take a backseat to her luxuries and she has never regarded my family and the effects of her selfishness on them. My daughter lived with them for some time and they fought like sisters and now shes back with me. Thank the Lord, because she had some bad experiences there. A few times she was approached by a strange man and they were burdened by her complaint yelled at me for being concerned. (They yell alot) and they found out she drank alcohol with her cousin who had been in trouble like many members of his family and so they made her drink till she was sick. His wife supporting him all the way never giving any thought to the risk or the fact that its Illegal. My family and I worried ourselves sick about her. The sad thing for him is he is in contempt of court for non-payment of child support. When he's done paying me off he'll be broke and she'll have a degree and home free. So, will she leave? Some of us have our suspicions. But we can't be too hasty, maybe she wont. Shes not the prettiest girl but she is cute and slim. Shes prettier than he is which doesn't say much and smarter. Its no secret that she could do better but she would have to changer her morality. Most men I know would kick a girl to the curb if she demanded that her needs come first before his own child. That is looked down here in the states.

Another thing to look at is how hard it is in the Ukraine and Russia. The politics suck. Women are so oppressed and to make matters worse they fall victim to the sex slave trade because they are easy prey. Its heart breaking and even though she comes from a loving family I can understand her urgency to come here and her paranoia of losing him and he is her security right now so maybe my dorky ex-husband is her prince. Hopefully for his sake she will be eternly grateful, make lots of money from her new career and pay him back for all money he's spent on her. How long have you been with your girl? You know this chick was really in a hurry to marry..something to do with a certain date..bad luck..but I would say if anything ever sounds fishy..don't ignore it...pay attention. If she loves you, then time won't be an issue...GOOD LUCK!! Tell your friends to CHILL![/B][/COLOR]

Posted by: searcher

Hi Musica,

Glad you could join us and sorry about your experiences with your ex-husband.

I think rational and reasonable minds realize there are good and bad people in every society. While I hate the stereotype, etc I know some people do it out of concern.

I think the problem with long distance/international relationships is that while there are many good people in many countries, there is also a certain percentage of those with bad intentions or those that are "losers".

The distance complicate this because, of course, it makes it difficult to diiscern the good from the bad, those with honorable (honourable? Maybe in the UK

) intentions and those that want to take advantage of someone whether it be for sex, control, money or a green card.

I think that relations between men and women have become so strained that it is hard for anyone - male or female - to find the "right" person.

Musica, I do wish you luck if you again seek your true love. Its not an easy endeavor these days.

Posted by: RBS

Sammy,
Listen boyo, I got disinherited by my parents, dumped by my friends in the Czech Republic and Croatia (where I have real estate) and old friends here in Canada think I am a poor fellow who has let himself be taken by some Russian whore. More precisely one of them described her as a trained monkey on a leash. Great I say! You learn who are your friends and you learn the extent of biggotry in the world. There are 1% Russian scammers and the rest just looking for a reciprocally honest life. Hang in there and hold on to you balls. They will be tested by forces around you. Read Robert T. Michael's Sex in America 1995 for a really good treatment of the censure a community can impose on relations. Sometimes I feel like an orthodox Jew marrying into the Ben Laden family. That is the level of antagonism you can meet.
Gib

Posted by: Smoovement

the reaction i've been getting from friends and family has been mixed....it's the same for natasha also!....however i never let any discussion regarding our relationship become a debate where i must defend my decision to marry her....the choice has been made....my inner circle trusts my ability to reason and those on the fringe?....well they're on the fringe!!....i suppose if an american man is worried about whether the russian woman is golddigging then he needs to spend more time and make sure he knows her well enough....which i suppose could be the same advice even if you were marrying someone in your hometown....i talk with natasha twice a day everyday....i know her schedule, her likes and dislikes....most of her religious, political and social viewpoints....and her very personal taste in everything from shopping to sex to hygiene and beyond....it's taken 7 months to reach a level of trust with her that i don't have with women that live down the street....when my friends see my comfort level and the absence of doubt in my heart and mind then they are assured in my decision....now most can't wait to finally meet this special woman who has captivated my life....her mother has even asked us to move to russia in the future!!....so we're talking about spending a couple of years in usa then moving to europe....bottom line if you have no peace regarding your woman then others will be antagonistic and you will listen but if you've answered all the questions in your head about it then all the chatter surrounding your new relationship will be nothing more than background noise!....

I LOVE YOU NATASHA!!

smoove

Posted by: RBS

Ataboy Smoovement!

Gib

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Hello Peoples, Things are going great for my bride and me. I still get the old"gee I hope it works out for you , and I wish you all the luck" Never one crongratulations.It is sad. I am tired of the crap I hear.I live in Rural America with very small minded people ok. They all say to me she just wants her green card or she wants half of your farm or she will leave you for bigger money.I hate this one too.You can't be in love if you didn't sleep with her. I talked to Sasha about it and she says she the same type of things are said on her side. My Sasha says to remmber what we are doing is right and correct and to not let anyone get in our heads.I am truly not mad at people because I am too in love to mad at anyone.My princess takes it all away and I love reaching for goals most men can't to even dream of.I know how things are first people will say she is scammer and everything (never mind the fact that I went to see her already) so they say my woman is evil and then when she comes to America in Nebraska and meets my people then my people will say what is such a wonderfull woman doing with Sammy.I understand I can't win this war and I will choose to fight fights worth fighting.Meanwhile I am crazy in love and never had such wonderful mental relationship with any woman. It is great to find on accident the woman you are wanting to and willing to do anything for. I have great news for me.....I found the perfect job now as I promised my woman I would hold down a great job with excellent insurance benefits but any way I sent her all the money she needs to get her passport and the first and secnd trips to Kiev for medicine tests and all that fun stuff. I have my I-29F forms but must wait until I get some Passport regulation photos from her to send my side paperwork in.Her mom and her are super happy and I have never felt better about anything in my life.My whole town thinks I am crazy and I tell everyone you bet I am crazy....crazy for the best woman in the world.Sasha told me a russian saying such like those who are willing to take the risk are the only ones who recieve the highest rewards.Good luck to everyone and I will keep udating my progress to Marry my dream woman. God Bless Ukraine!!!

Posted by: firemansam

COngratulations Sammy!

Posted by: AkMike

Sammy, You do know that IF you marry her over there that you can file a DCF visa and it'll be faster and better in the long run, right? That's what I did. She'll have a green card soon after she hit's the gound along with a SSN.

Posted by: andreas

Hey come on guys, don't shoot Sammy down cause he observed that Russian PPL have a seriouse face.

Now I have never been to Russia but I must admit I was of a similar opinion, Why?

Because I read somewhere on a Russian (list of do's and dont,s) that -

A. Never laugh at your own jokes
B. It is not normal for Russian lady to smile at a stranger

this was of course amongst many other things, also my friend who works in Moscow once told me how she dreads taking the train to work because everyone is pushy, grumpy and sometimes rude (Her words so don't flame me or I'll rip yer bluddy arms off).

Ok well I'm mr smile for no reason, say hello to everyone and pet every animal I see, and dont look at my photo cause I was just trying to look sexy and it did'nt quite work out. So seeing as I am planning to visit my friends in Russia in the near future I started to worry about this and found myself looking serious and growling at my reflection in the mirror just so I won't look like the clown of the red square when I get there, maybe I should just concentrate on my Sexy Face.

Now I hate myself for saying this because I simply Hate PPL who generalise, so if what I read and hear is true all I can say is - if the shoe fits you may have to put it on cause your socks will get wet.

Posted by: bobjf

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Originally Posted by andreas

Hey come on guys, don't shoot Sammy down cause he observed that Russian PPL have a seriouse face.

Now I have never been to Russia but I must admit I was of a similar opinion, Why?

Because I read somewhere on a Russian (list of do's and dont,s) that -

A. Never laugh at your own jokes
B. It is not normal for Russian lady to smile at a stranger

this was of course amongst many other things, also my friend who works in Moscow once told me how she dreads taking the train to work because everyone is pushy, grumpy and sometimes rude (Her words so don't flame me or I'll rip yer bluddy arms off).

Ok well I'm mr smile for no reason, say hello to everyone and pet every animal I see, and dont look at my photo cause I was just trying to look sexy and it did'nt quite work out. So seeing as I am planning to visit my friends in Russia in the near future I started to worry about this and found myself looking serious and growling at my reflection in the mirror just so I won't look like the clown of the red square when I get there, maybe I should just concentrate on my Sexy Face.

Now I hate myself for saying this because I simply Hate PPL who generalise, so if what I read and hear is true all I can say is - if the shoe fits you may have to put it on cause your socks will get wet.

i agree with you on the smileing bit & you probably have seen mark & i talking about same
1 of the few unworked for smiles i got over there was the girl in passport control at ovb who looked like she had sucked a lemon untill she saw my aussie passport lol won,t go into it.
natasha says its because they have very little to be happy about & the cold.
i never left any of her friends alone untill i got a smile & had them doing it every time i was around so guess i bought a little bit of comic beleif to them lol
i didn,t go as far as mark who after trying to get 1 of his fiances mates to smile,held her down & tickled her untill she cracked up (her hubby was looking on ,stunned at first but then cracked up )
maybe its an aussie thing but we can,t stand sour faces ,happy go lucky bunch we is lol

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by bobjf

Hahaha hey Bob, did you see Andreas current mood? lol! Maybe he is more Russian then he thinks??

Posted by: andreas

Oops, I must change my mood, I've had my medication now.

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by andreas

Oops, I must change my mood, I've had my medication now.

Hahaha... Nasal spray?? lol!

Posted by: bobjf

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Originally Posted by firemansam

Hahaha hey Bob, did you see Andreas current mood? lol! Maybe he is more Russian then he thinks??

did earlier but resisted the urge to comment lol
get that keyboard busy andreas you slacking off a bit

Posted by: bobjf

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Originally Posted by firemansam

Hahaha... Nasal spray?? lol!

speaking of moods how long (be honest now) since you were innocent

Posted by: andreas

Innocent until proven guilty I always say.

I will be on later, my friend just recieved an Ipod which I sent her and she is totally stoked. She wants to set it up later today and talk to me about it, we do a trade every now and then so I got her the Ipod and she will send me a gold cross from the churches of St Pete.

We make the most of our buying power as the cross would have cost me 3 times the price and her Ipod was way out of reach for her budget.

Man its cold in Melb today, I suppose we got to get used to it now. I will be around so look forward to some interesting topics

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by bobjf

speaking of moods how long (be honest now) since you were innocent

tehehe, I guess my girls must be rubbing off on me??

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Guys I was having dinner with the woman In Odecca and of course I am smiling at her and she even ask me what was so silly and I had to explain I was just happy to be with her having a nice dinner with the power out. Then I was laughing with some greek guy over there and a Russian man was pissed off at me because he thought I was making fun of him and I had to explain it is natural for American to laugh at simple things in life.That was one of the biggest cultural differences I noticed.Everybody is dam serious about anything over there. Get a fw belts of some Ukraine Vodka going with major league jet lag and then sleep deprivation and you can imagine how much a person can laugh.I almost checked in to rehab after I got back as it seems most business is done with Vodka.THe restuarants would give the woman and myself two shots of Ukraine vodka and I alwyas drank both of them so most nights out a man could easily get very drunk over there.I caught a flight from Vienna Austria to Odecca Ukraine and on the shuttle ride to the airplane there were several business men and I could smell a strong smell of vodka in the shuttle.I am thrilled to death to be closer to the dream with her side paperwork started.

I could not talk with my woman in Ukraine and plan so much as she is very poor so I was not up to speed to marry her over there.I always do everything the hard way anyway.The woman is not poor in mind or spirit and she is traditional Ukraine woman ....I love her self worth and sense of respect she has for herself and me.I know its going to happen now anyway and she is so happy and her mom is too that I got her the money to start her side.She is getttin her passport and heading to Kiev Monday so you can guess how happy I am.Guys she is so beautiful, but I don't even see her in that way.Fairy tale dreams do come true if you believe and work the plan in trust in your heart.I am crazy ok, but I had help from some Angels by my side.I would have strange dreams talking with my mom and Grandma and they hand picked this woman for me.I never doubted this and this is why I flew to see her not knowing where I would stay the night I arrived there and I trusted my Angels and now I am soon to be the Richest man in the world.I wake up everyday thinking how lucky I am to have her as my future wife and people thinnk I am on drugs.I am Euphoric all the time and I try to tell people If you have wonderful Ukraine woman like me you can feel this way too.I am so happy because all I have to do now is be the best man in the world to her and everything will work out.Dreams do come true!!

Posted by: skinsfan

as for me, i have had no difficulties....yes, there was some quiet concern by family members...but, after meeting my wife, all concerns were ended. my friends love my wife........ my single friends are interested now in visiting the FSU.......IMHO, real friends try and understand your choices, and stand by you......to all others...they can KMA...........

Posted by: Janus

I guess I am very fortunate in my family, friends and co-workers. My family and friends have all been supportive. They have all congratulated us on our engagement and are eager to have her and her daughter to the US as soon as possible. They are always asking me questions about them and Russia in general.

As for my co-workers, surprisingly, even they have been very supportive. Of course a fellow joked about getting a M.O.B. just to see how I would react. I just smiled at him and said "One day you will meet her, and then you will understand." To which he looked off for a few seconds, nodded his head and said "I can respect that." We shook hands and went back to work.

I guess my case is very atypical, in many ways. I think because I divorced when I was young and focused on my career for over ten years. I am sure my family, friends and colleagues wondered if I would ever re-marry. Now that I have a second chance, they are genuinely glad for our happiness together.

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Its funny, right now people say to me what are you doing planning to marry a Russian woman. Idiots there are because when she is here they will say what is she doing with you Sammy.It just goes to show you why you never follow anyone else but your own heart. Congratulations to you sir, and I will join the club as soon as the USCIS lets me make it happen!!If I have to I will go back to Ukraine and marry her there and then bring her here.Its 50-50 in my world so it's only a matter of time.Driving me nutso though.Good things come to those who wait!!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Well Folks, as time passes I have gotten the passport for the woman and we have her first trip to kiev done and she she has pass for medical tests. Passport is not as quick in Ukraine as government still mixed up there.I am just waiting to get correct photos from the woman so we can file I-29F correct way and save ourselves some wasted time. It is fast in Nebraska right now as myvisaourney.com says. So as my friends can see I am not looking around at other woman and they hear about progress toward the goal albeit slow progress and I share some writings with them they now do not call me a Ukraine Raider or Russian bride scandalist or Mail order man anymore. I think they can see nice woman in all this letters we exchange. She says they will be surprised when we are finally together.I will forgive them as they are idiots and fail to understand people are people no matter what part of the world you live. I keep you posted

Posted by: Pin Boy

hi sammy,

glad your friends were able to think reasonably and not just in stereotypes and that you are able to forgive their knee jerk reactions. best of luck and hope you and sasha are together soon.

pin boy

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Well Folks, as time passes I have gotten the passport for the woman and we have her first trip to kiev done and she she has pass for medical tests. Passport is not as quick in Ukraine as government still mixed up there.I am just waiting to get correct photos from the woman so we can file I-29F correct way and save ourselves some wasted time. It is fast in Nebraska right now as myvisaourney.com says. So as my friends can see I am not looking around at other woman and they hear about progress toward the goal albeit slow progress and I share some writings with them they now do not call me a Ukraine Raider or Russian bride scandalist or Mail order man anymore. I think they can see nice woman in all this letters we exchange. She says they will be surprised when we are finally together.I will forgive them as they are idiots and fail to understand people are people no matter what part of the world you live. I keep you posted

Thanks for the post Sammy. I am always interested in this topic. I have only told 2 people the true reason I am Going To Russia. They are my closest friends and very supportive. I know there are people out there that probably want to tease and make fun. I will ignore them.

I am also beginning my visa quest and hope to have it in the mail soon. Keep posting and good luck.

GTR

Posted by: johnf19083

Great to hear you story Janus
Good Luck

Posted by: Jerico

I cant tell you how many people ask me : So when she divorces you are you going to get another one?
Its irritating and not a day goes by at work somebody always ask if i am still married.
Another thing they do is always want to know my business now.
IE: What did you do yesterday?Did your wife go? Does she like it here? Does she speak good English?
I reply : Yes she speaks PERFECT English for the hundrenth time, Jeez

Now though I come back with 24 questions to them , LOL. Thats the key to shutting them up per say.
Wheres your wife?
Does she work?
She stay at home?
Does she like it here?
Is she happy that you dont make a lot of money?
Does she mind that you have a big gut?
Do you know what she is doing right now?
Shes probably at her boyfriends house having sex while your here at work.
This question usually brings them to shut up.
Women at work ask many questions all the time too. They always say : I guess us American girls wer not good enough for you. I reply : Yep your right.

Even my mother always has negative thoughts of my wife and my wife knows this. It bothers me but she just wants to protect her son i guess.

When you marry a foreign girl you must realize that she will leave the country to visit here homeland.Possibly for months at a time.
None of my freinds and family understand this at all.
They think that since she is here she will never want to go back to that (poor) country ever again.
I dont understand this thinking but to each his own I guess
Jerry

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Thanks Jerico, I will ask similar questions if the need should arrise.

GTR

Posted by: Pin Boy

or you can say something to the effect, "i didn't realize my life is so important to you. you must not have much going on in yours to be so interested in mine."

screw 'em!!

Posted by: Jerico

Pinboy,

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screw 'em!!

agreed, LOL

Jerry

Posted by: bobjf

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Pinboy,

agreed, LOL

Jerry

lol i have fun going the other way with these cretins
look them in eye & say rw's mate you can dream
other than that i don't say to much
those people who have come to know nat have 2 reactions
couples. most of the femails would like to let a contract her,most of the guys are green with envy
others treat us like any other couple
the rest, well just as pb states

Posted by: jpierce55

Well throwing this out just because:

Where I work is a very strange 5'2" French man, unpleasant personality and all. Also at work is a very hot, I mean VERY hot Swedish woman. Come to find out he visited Sweden and they fell in love, got married, and came to the US.

Now people are placing bets on how long until she leaves him even though they have been together for awhile outside the US.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by jpierce55

Well throwing this out just because:

Where I work is a very strange 5'2" French man, unpleasant personality and all. Also at work is a very hot, I mean VERY hot Swedish woman. Come to find out he visited Sweden and they fell in love, got married, and came to the US.

Now people are placing bets on how long until she leaves him even though they have been together for awhile outside the US.

A Frenchman with an unpleasant personality ... no never happen.

GTR

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

A Frenchman with an unpleasant personality ... no never happen.

GTR

No no I just cannot believe that either

Posted by: waiting123

My whole opinion on this is....

My friends and colleagues are aware I am married to a RW, and when she gets here, if they do not accept her as there friend that is there problem. They do not have to live with my wife, nor do they have to care after my wife... This is my job.

I hope all friends and family accept my wife, but if not, it is not a concern of mine...I love and care for my wife and she comes first....

But people who know me, also know it would not be smart to disgrace my wife or in anwyway defame her

.

However in my situation all seems to be going well, most of my close friends have talked to her on the phone, and like her... But remember guys, this is your wife... don't let friends tell you whom you can marry!

Posted by: skinsfan

i don't get it...what is to accept ?? my wife's friends and family accepted me..but most importantly, my wife accepted me and moved accross the world for me........ i am so happy with MY decision, i could care less about others opinions....opinions are like a$$ holes...everyone has one........

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by skinsfan

i don't get it...what is to accept ?? my wife's friends and family accepted me..but most importantly, my wife accepted me and moved accross the world for me........ i am so happy with MY decision, i could care less about others opinions....opinions are like a$$ holes...everyone has one........

Could not agree more... will said Skins!!!

Posted by: bobjf

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Originally Posted by waiting123

Could not agree more... will said Skins!!!

skins is dead right an opinion belongs to the 1 with it & no 1 else.
waiting mate glad to see how your thinking your family comes befor anyone & by that i mean your particular family,wife & kids
anyone else either learns to live with it or tell them to piss off.
yer i lost a few so called friends & copped some flack from a brother.
friends are now x & brother can't understand why he isn't welcom now
self centred drongos will not be tolerated by me or my wife

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Whenever a person( family member or freind) deviates from how you are defined by your freinds and family, a typical response from there "friends" is often very negative. It is not unusual to have these relationships broken to a point that the relationships are unreparible. Talk to anyone who lost a large amount of weight, quit smoking ect.... Because you have upset there conventions they very often attack you for your behavior.

It is reasonably safe to assume that your wife is probably the most attractive person you have been involved with. Your freinds, assume that she is only with you for what she can get from you since she is not only not from this country but she is also prettier than anyone you have been involved with in the past. Since all of us have heard of the stories (true or not) about women in pursuit of green cards, they project what they believe from the urban legends and stories they are familar with about "mail order brides."

In my opinion, you have to call them on there behavior. My stance is, you either respect me as your friend or you will cease being my friend. That means that you respect my decision and my wife. If you cant do either of those things, then I will have to ask you to leave and not speak to me again.

I am assuming that your relationship with your wife is a healthy and normal relationship. If your friends are trying to bring to your attention behavior by your wife that are actually warning signs then you need to listen to your friends. If what you say is true then I would say your friends have some issues they need to work out if they want to continue to be your freinds

Posted by: waiting123

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobOhioGuy

In my opinion, you have to call them on there behavior. My stance is, you either respect me as your friend or you will cease being my friend. That means that you respect my decision and my wife. If you cant do either of those things, then I will have to ask you to leave and not speak to me again.

Again, well said... A very articulate thought indeed...Rob

I just believe that my wife and our family, is the most important thing to us. If someone for no reason accepts me but not her, that is a reason that I should abandon the so called "friendship" and like I said earlier.... it would be a definite no no

to put my wife down, defame her, disgrace, or talk in anyway neagtively about her. I would not do it in regards to your wife, American, Russian, Indian, or any other nationality or race... All I ask is if you are a true friend, respect my wishes and desires as I do yours. This is the person I love; and went into believing in my heart and mind is my soul mate....and she really is

But I emphasize...bottom line, you accept us both, or you accept neither of us.

Posted by: so cal rick

People I let know of love life with Tatiana, whom lives in Russia, are up beat and positive.

Some are cynical, ...LOOK OUT

But most are jazzed, and some have asked for pointers so they can attemp the same.

So Cal rick

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

WHy can't ya find American woman or your into mail order bride huh man? Or she gets her card and says see ya. Yeah I heard it all a million times now. The woman says she gets same things said on her side as well.My Part of the USA is 20 years behind the times ok. I am at peace with our decision but sometimes it wears on you and makes you think stupid things,when ignorant people speak from their rear end. My smile is not gone in fact it is bigger and no matter what I will do what I feel I need to do period.There is a sense of stisfaction knowing how the future will be when the queen finally gets here for good.I have funny feeling after they talk with the woman they will understand how intelligent a person she is and have better understanding that people are people no matter what corner the earth we grew up on. It is nice to know I am not the lone ranger on this one.I don't fight anyone or say bad things or get upset anymore as it does not matter.What matters is the woman. Interesting thing we are all doing here. A toast to all them wonderful Rusky women

Posted by: waiting123

you are a good man sammy! And I agree once your queen gets to you, people will understand. A lot of people are just ignorant to the fact that love can exist around the world. I lived in Europe for 3 years, and saw many americans marrying European woman, and people said stupid things about them when they came back to the states.

Just remember this is your wife, and you are not living your life to please anybody else... All you have to please is you and your wife. A lot of people talk out of their A$$, but I think a lot of this might and could be jealousy.

You are not alone my friend... we are all here and in this together.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

If American men just tried one date with a serious RW, they would be blown away by their love and attention. I was amazed to the love and care I was shown. No American woman ever came close to the love of a RW.

GTR

Posted by: j_c

Luckily , personally I have not had any negative feedback from the people i have discussed this with , some surprised looks to start off with , but then genuine interest and sincearity.

Bu, I was talking to a guy at work about this the other day , funily he works in St Helens ( for the UK guys). He said that there a a guy working in their office who had married a foreign bride , not sure if she was russian , may of been Thai. But the point is the girls in the office where talking to him about how they met , and one of the girls said" So ... how much did you pay for her?" ... deadly serious. I know there is the term "mail order brides", but maybe I was a bit niave in thinking there wasn't anybody out there that really thought you bought your wife off the internet!

Needless to say , he was not too impressed and declined to discuss his situation any further.

The guy I was talking to sad he took the girl to one side and had a quiet word along the lines of " how insensitive and stupid are you?"

Regards

JC

Posted by: eireannach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Sammy,

I don't know how old you and your friends are, but for people my age (40's+)
we remember The Cold War days. Perhaps what your friends think is no
more than what their parents thought about people from the former USSR,
which might be from all of the propaganda b.s. that was spewed during
those days. There was a lot of paranoia back then and no doubt some of
it still survives today. My Physics prof., who is Syrian-American, complained
once about how narrow-minded a lot of her students are. I reminded her
that most of what the people around here know are farming, drinking beer,
watching football, and driving their pickup trucks. In other words, they
haven't been exposed to the rest of the world and don't know any more
than their own limited experiences.

Personally, I'm glad that those times with the FSU countries are over and
we now have the opportunity to actually meet the people without having J.
Edger Hoover and cronies to worry about (at least as far as the FSU is
concerned, but that's a topic best dealt with elsewhere).

Anyway, best of luck to you!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I have only traveled to Odessa Ukraine but I can tell you this much I am mid thirties and risk it all to make sure I do not live a life of what if's. My woman told me Russian saying about he who takes the risk gets the reward!! The police in Odessa and Military people looked at me and I could tell I was not welcome in their eyes.All the military guys in Russia are of same build tall slender. I never laughed so hard at myself after I bought a Rusky hat on the market and wore it around town.
It was wonderful experience to wear a hat I thought was funny looking and be excepted as normal in Odessa.I figured since I was alone I would take military side and show respect by wearing the official Military hat. That hat is very important part in my life. All my life I was taught to fear the Russians and everything like this. Remember the movie "Red Dawn" I am from Military family so trust me Russian was and still is the enemy.I think the fact that I would go alone to face anything in the world for the love I have for this woman is incredible story.My woman calls me James Bond.I would rather die than not persue a dream and make it a reality.Strange how Even though I was only there two weeks my fear started to be replaced with understanding.I got bit by a dog in Odessa market all because I was wearing old spice deorderant I think."DO NOT wear cologne" In downtown market where dogs are.The scent will make them fear you and thats where I was attacked. The dam dog was same as me afraid of new and different people.
Like I told you the fear started to go away with the help of vodka and trying to share language with people. I can tell you a man in his mid to late sixties try to tell me Stalin was an idiot and Teddy Roosevault "SP" was a good leader and this is why Russian has the problems it is in today.I can also tell you that Russia is on the rise big time!!! They are still laying out power in Odessa to this day so when the infrastructure is in place look out as these are people who understand strife and are willing to to suck it up and get moving forward. IN conclusion what I finally understand is that most people are like me and fear what they do not understand, and once the fear is replaced with knowledge the fear goes away and the light goes on!!My problem is I can't to teach every person who has this fear the truth so I will not try to.I just smile as I know I took the trip of a lifetime for a woman of lifetimeand it is so strange she makes me feel so good about our relationship and never gives you the head games.There is nothing to compare to traditional ukraine woman.For those who do not understand or have fear I am sorry for you.But there is hope as I was once like you were!! And now I will become the richest man in the world once my woman is here.

Posted by: skinsfan

Hi Sammy...you are correct, it is such an incredible experience to go to the FSU. i remember my first trip when i got off of the airplane....i felt like i was in the movie WIZARD OF OZ part 2.....i knew i wasn't in North Caroina anymore !!!! at first glance, everything looked so stark and rigid....cold...no smiles, etc.......but, once i was introduced to people, they were so warm and caring...they wanted that i understood them, and they wanted to understand all about America...all of the people treated me like gold !! i always felt comfortable and safe around my new friends, and future wife.....after several trips, i understood more and more how much alike my new Russian friends and i were......Sammy, feel fortunate that you had the experience of a culture that up until 1991 was closed to the majority of us......and, most importantly, you found the love of your lifetime !!!...good luck !!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

SKins fan, I wish you luck this football season as you have new targets to throw the ball too I see. The glasnost empire truly was a trip of a lifetime and the woman I met are very much different than American woman. American woman do not act like Traditional Ukraine women do and this is everything I want in a wife.I still to this day can imagine walking on Deribasovskaya street and seeing the most truly beautiful woman I have ever seen in my life.I have lived in big cities too.What a confidence builder to have such wonderful beautiful and friendly woman smile at you and say hello and everything. Then I come back to America and even the fat chick has some attitude.I love how straight forward a FSU woman is. Ukraine did not look like America at all in Odessa anyway and it was nice to see a place without American influence.I can honestly sayif it doesn't work out with Sash when I get her here I am so much better a man for taking the trip into the unknown. THis is funny thing.My best friend is 54 and he has a woman moving in after they went out four weekends in a row and she ask me why I would think Sash would stay with me after only seeing her for two weeks. I told her I known her longer than you have Duane and look you are here right now right? SHe says yes and I reminded her that writing is purest form of communication and I truly had no problem from the start talking with my woman.We knew everything and had so much to say all because I write her everyday!!AMerican woman have a hangup that American man would want a woman from Russia and I believe its the old I fear the unknown thing again.If I believed Sasha was not the best for me I would never do all this I am doing to get her here.I would risk it all for such quality of person.american woman must understand they are not all that and a bucket of chicken on this planet and that they have lost everything and values that make a woman special and they should go to Russia to learn how to be a dream woman again. I am all for a woman being the best she can be but the good ones like my mother and Grandma are far and few between these days and I feel the woman of america have lost touch with their role in family and everythihng in general.You can be a career woman and still be a great woman don't get me wrong and I support a woman in anything she wants to do. They have truly lost touch and I know this because I have seen what perfect woman are like on the other side of the planet.Russian woman have lost their men in wars and we have lost our women to a lazy, selfish,money oriented society and this is so sad. Rich movie stars can't to keep their family together so this money thing can't be all that good.A rusky woman places highest value on her man and family and this is most sexy thing a woman can do and I can tell you I will lick her feet every night if she wants and as know my woman will do anything for me becuse she wants a strong family like me!! God bless these wonderful creatures of God in the FSU.I pray American woman could learn how to be like they are.I also pray that more men can see and understand how high quality woman are out there if they open their minds and take the trip to FSU. Us men with Rusky woman are truly the luckiest men on the planet and I feel sorry for any man who does not have what we all do.What a thrill of a lifetime to find love in the territory of our enemies. I hope all the world could open their eyes and see we all want and need the same things and I also pray America stops the trend of being fat sassy and lazy spoiled rotten people. I love my country ok but I call a spade a spade!!!

Posted by: metaforest

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

If American men just tried one date with a serious RW, they would be blown away by their love and attention. I was amazed to the love and care I was shown. No American woman ever came close to the love of a RW.

GTR

Speaking from my recent experiences: Though it didn't work out for me this first time out, I can say that I was well taken care of while I was there and the experience did confirm that I am on the right track, and that the dream is worth pursuing....

When I let it be known that I was going to Russia to meet a woman. I caught a lot of flack.... Had to shut some people down, and out... Interestingly my Russki friends, though I do not know them very well, are much more supportive, and understanding. One has even offered me Russian lessons !! -- when she returns from her honeymoon...

=B-)

Posted by: eireannach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

I got bit by a dog in Odessa market all because I was wearing old spice deorderant I think."DO NOT wear cologne" In downtown market where dogs are.The scent will make them fear you and thats where I was attacked. The dam dog was same as me afraid of new and different people.

Hmmm...I will have to remember that since I also use Old Spice deordorant. However, I have been known to bite back!

Seriously though, I doubt that it was your deodorant that caused the dog to bite. Probably was because of another reason.

I have been to other countries while I was in the Navy some years ago, so being in a foreign country is nothing new to me. However, flying to Belarus is going to be quite an experience...but worth it.

My closest friends are okay with my choice, which is cool.

Again, best o luck to you!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaforest

Hang in there Metaforest ... it's worth the wait!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I am not joking and I am in tune with all animals very much so,more so than your average person.I can see into animals and I can walk up to any persons dog most of times no matter how the animals temperament is.WHen I had deorderant on all the dogs along that public black sea trail that goes past the hotel Odessa were onto me big time no matter what I wore.No deorderant and the animals just to let me pass with no sniffs or anything.Trust me you will notice this your self so I am trying to say leave the old spice for her only and don't walk about with any foreign stuff on.Animals will be all over this little detail and it is important to heed my advice or you will get it too.Lucky it doesn't hurt to much to be bit by large dogs.You can't kick an animal for being afraid of you especially when a beautiful Rusky woman is the owner.You just take it and laugh at it I guess.Try that beer called Stella Artois too for anyone listening. WOw great brew I might say!!

I can't say I am going back to Ukraine anytime soon as I feel very lucky to pull it off all alone and the one guy who said we are not in North carolina anymore I know how you feel and what you are saying here!!I have nothing to do in Ukraine from here on out.SHe will come to me this time and I will keep both feet on American soil!!!!!

Posted by: bleushkva

I got alot of **** from my parents about being married, too. Some brats from class were like, she's married? instead of congratulating me.

Posted by: basilik@free.fr

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

A Frenchman with an unpleasant personality ... no never happen.

GTR

yes, this is possible...they all have left France for USA...

))) joke!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by basilik@free.fr

yes, this is possible...they all have left France for USA...

))) joke!

Sounds like we have the same sense of humor ... maybe I'm a little French?

Posted by: PrincetonLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

If American men just tried one date with a serious RW, they would be blown away by their love and attention. I was amazed to the love and care I was shown. No American woman ever came close to the love of a RW.

The keyword here is: "American men" !

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I am one of the lucky guys who is to go through last stages of papers For K-1 visa.I got married when I gave my woman a pair of blue earings in Downtown Odecca.I wrote the woman for three years and then I went to see her.I like to take my time on important decisions. I really appreciated the culture of Ukraine life.The food is great too.We have been basically working on papers a little at a time so not to have such big financial pain at once as this whole process is very expensive.I did not choose to marry Sasha it just kinda happened without my control.It is very special to learn someone from letters only and then have such build up of first meeting...the expectations where very high.The best part is how well you already know the person and how easy it is to relate to your dream girl.I knew Sasha so I was not just sitting across from her and "freaking-out" how pretty she is or anyhting.We hit it off just as same as in writing and I knew right away I had to have this woman as she is fantabulastic

We slowly work on papers.We immediately got her medical tests and everything finished and now we are going to file on my side so its not too long at all before my woman is here with me

This is going to be very cool

I am freaking out big time as I really hope the Wife likes the new castle.My amrican friends and my own family somewhat are still in dis-belief of my master plan.I can sense they are all think I am crazy for wanting to be with Sasha.I am so close now to getting R-Done so I will stay the course and go ahead and dream the big dream.It is great and I am going through some difficult financial times and the wife is right there saying to me we got it and we work together as a team to make dreams in true.When you have your favorite woman saying she is with you no matter what life brings that is a real special woman and just makes me understand how great a decision we are making together.I feel all Ukraine woman are super models and so down to earth and just simply kick ass.I would wager most Russian Men do not use Viagra in the FSU. Good luck to all you "Crazy Americans" who are chasing Rusky babes.I can say I was chasing the perfect woman and I don't to care what nationality she would be.The pearl by the sea

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Congratulations Sammy!!! I was married about 3 weeks ago so I know what you are going through! I've have nothing but congratulations and good wishes from friends and family. No negative or "crazy" replies at all! Take care of yourself and Sasha ... GOOD LUCK!!!

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Congratulations sir and I wish you the best too.I think your friends were surprised by how great a person your woman is right?You are proof that crazy love can happen and does.I am married right now as far as me and her are concerned but it will be awesome to have the woman to buddy up with.That is great news for you my friend and I wish you many happy quiet nights at home with the wife.I should be in the club with in 8 months I would think at the latest. Have a good one!!

Posted by: mistermopar

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Sounds like we have the same sense of humor ... maybe I'm a little French?

GTR...I don't know if I would say that,living in Canada that could be a bad thing...LOL

Randy

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

Congratulations sir and I wish you the best too.I think your friends were surprised by how great a person your woman is right?You are proof that crazy love can happen and does.I am married right now as far as me and her are concerned but it will be awesome to have the woman to buddy up with.That is great news for you my friend and I wish you many happy quiet nights at home with the wife.I should be in the club with in 8 months I would think at the latest. Have a good one!!

My wife is still in Russia so they didn't actually meet her. I told them about her and yes they were impressed and suprised.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Yes I do have a "good one" ... thanks for asking!!!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermopar

GTR...I don't know if I would say that,living in Canada that could be a bad thing...LOL

Randy

I get your drift Randy ... I'll watch what I say when in "The Great White North"!!!

Posted by: Chuckles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

I am one of the lucky guys who is to go through last stages of papers For K-1 visa.I got married when I gave my woman a pair of blue earings in Downtown Odecca.I wrote the woman for three years and then I went to see her.I like to take my time on important decisions. I really appreciated the culture of Ukraine life.The food is great too.We have been basically working on papers a little at a time so not to have such big financial pain at once as this whole process is very expensive.I did not choose to marry Sasha it just kinda happened without my control.It is very special to learn someone from letters only and then have such build up of first meeting...the expectations where very high.The best part is how well you already know the person and how easy it is to relate to your dream girl.I knew Sasha so I was not just sitting across from her and "freaking-out" how pretty she is or anyhting.We hit it off just as same as in writing and I knew right away I had to have this woman as she is fantabulastic

We slowly work on papers.We immediately got her medical tests and everything finished and now we are going to file on my side so its not too long at all before my woman is here with me

This is going to be very cool

Getting the medical done was likely a waste of time as it is only good for 6 months, and you will not likely have a interview scheduled by then if you have not filed yet. Same with police reports. I guess at least you know the drill...

Posted by: Raspberry

Now, here's a little bit of a twist here.....I have some co-workers that are either Thai, or are married to Thai women. All of whom notice me intensely being into the Ukraine thing, and wanting a bride from the FSU.

Well, this last week they have been active in trying to get me one of "their' women. One is going over picking up his fiance next week, and of course getting the word around there is an available guy here. Another is going over to see her own family there, and will of course be spreading the word around too.

And yet another was taking to her friend, and handed me a photo of her that was e-mailed.

I certainly appreciate the well-meaning efforts, and the validation that I am a good guy in their minds and hearts, and I would honestly like to visit Thailand sometime, but.........I think it's a bit more of a distraction, than it would be any real progress in finding my "second half".

Posted by: mistermopar

So Raspberry,are you sure your second hafe is in the FSU and not in Thailand ,she could be any where!!!!

Randy

Posted by: Cheburashka

The Thai ladies I have met were awesome! They were intelligent, sexy, beautiful, fun, and I could definitely see myself being with one for the rest of my life. They only lacked one thing: the Russian soul.

Posted by: Raspberry

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermopar

So Raspberry,are you sure your second hafe is in the FSU and not in Thailand ,she could be any where!!!! .

Yes, I would be narrow-minded to not at least LOOK there. And, in all fairness, it is considerably easier for me, being on the West Coast to get to Bangkok for a visit, than it would to get to most parts of the FSU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

The Thai ladies I have met were awesome! They were intelligent, sexy, beautiful, fun, and I could definitely see myself being with one for the rest of my life. They only lacked one thing: the Russian soul.

I think you nailed it on the head, Cheb!! There is this one quality missing there.

Posted by: PrincetonLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

They only lacked one thing: the Russian soul.

Can anybody explain to me what on Earth is "Russian soul"?!
Maybe that:

Posted by: nocomfortzone

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

Can anybody explain to me what on Earth is "Russian soul"?!

Funny you should ask that question. That original comment was going through my head yesterday aswell. I was also wondering to myself what an Australian soul is but i doubt these things can be explained with words. You just know deep inside the essence of some people from certain parts of the world when you are in their presence.

Posted by: Ohotnik

To Musica,
I hear your bitterness. I think you have read some crap by the left wing radical blogs concerning the slave trade. Maybe your ex is as you say but I suspect he left for the same reasons many AM leave their AW. I went to Russia to look for a partner in life. I do not expect or will allow the crap I have put up with in the past with AW. the nagging, the headaches, the messy house etc. etc. I am not a deadbeat dad, I live 3 blocks from my kids. In the time I havebeen divorced she has bought a new Nissan Titan pickup, new Harley, new boat, and built on to the house. I do not fault men who do not give their ex wifes the thousands demanded by the courts to support their lifestyles. I know my children aren't going hungry but i know themoney i pay do not go to them. greedy AW send AM to loving FSU ladies who treat their men as they deserve. my 2 cents worth.

Posted by: mistermopar

Welcome to the RPM Ohotnik.

Randy

Posted by: PrincetonLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohotnik

I know my children aren't going hungry but i know themoney i pay do not go to them. greedy AW send AM to loving FSU ladies who treat their men as they deserve.

Hehe, why you are so sure these "loving FSU ladies" are better? Yes, they are "loving"... They love America very much!

Posted by: ira156

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

Hehe, why you are so sure these "loving FSU ladies" are better? Yes, they are "loving"... They love America very much!

Actually Princeton the ones i met dont want Americans they would prefer Europeans...americans dont go over as well as you would think

Posted by: PrincetonLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by ira156

Actually Princeton the ones i met dont want Americans they would prefer Europeans...americans dont go over as well as you would think

I am sure they would prefer guys from Switzerland and Luxembourg...

Posted by: ira156

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

I am sure they would prefer guys from Switzerland and Luxembourg...

Yes but they are as cold as a deep sea herring........... he he

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by ira156

Actually Princeton the ones i met dont want Americans they would prefer Europeans...americans dont go over as well as you would think

My wife said she only wanted Americans. Maybe it was because her Russian girl friend married a European/Danish man.

Posted by: cedarwind

Quote:

Originally Posted by ira156

Actually Princeton the ones i met dont want Americans they would prefer Europeans...americans dont go over as well as you would think

Yes this is my experience also...Many of them have straight out told me they have no interest in America....it is too far away...do not like Bush....or they know to little about it.

Germany is popular and so is the UK.

Posted by: cedarwind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raspberry

YA and the fish they cook that stinks your house up for weeks!! LOL

Posted by: Ohotnik

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

Hehe, why you are so sure these "loving FSU ladies" are better? Yes, they are "loving"... They love America very much!

Sure they love America. I have lived in Europe for 4 years and Central America for another 2 years. I have also traveled to several countries and America has them all beat. My fiancee is actually 2 months older so all of the stereotypes assumed about fat bald rich American marrying the green card girl 20 years his junior are wrong. To sum it up I have tasted what most of the world has to offer and I choose ladies from the FSU. I am sure and I only have to please me and her.

Posted by: ira156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohotnik

Too True Oho!!

Posted by: PrincetonLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by ira156

Yes but they are as cold as a deep sea herring...........

I do not know about guys, but Swiss gals are really hot! Believe me, I lived in Switzerland before moving to U.S. ...

Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrincetonLion

I do not know about guys, but Swiss gals are really hot! Believe me, I lived in Switzerland before moving to U.S. ...

Amen brother! I was in Zurich last year during the cold weather months and there were lots of bundled up ladies there. But when the coats came off....Mama Mia they were gorgeous. I could definitely cuddle up with a Swiss Miss and a cup of warm cocoa.

Posted by: Raspberry

I got stuck in Zurich airport once, due to a mechanical delay on a Swissair plane, and never got into the city, waitinng for my connection flight to get fixed. The flight attendants on Swissair were really nice, sweet gals.

Posted by: chippie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohotnik

To Musica,
I hear your bitterness. I think you have read some crap by the left wing radical blogs concerning the slave trade. Maybe your ex is as you say but I suspect he left for the same reasons many AM leave their AW. I went to Russia to look for a partner in life. I do not expect or will allow the crap I have put up with in the past with AW. the nagging, the headaches, the messy house etc. etc. I am not a deadbeat dad, I live 3 blocks from my kids. In the time I havebeen divorced she has bought a new Nissan Titan pickup, new Harley, new boat, and built on to the house. I do not fault men who do not give their ex wifes the thousands demanded by the courts to support their lifestyles. I know my children aren't going hungry but i know themoney i pay do not go to them. greedy AW send AM to loving FSU ladies who treat their men as they deserve. my 2 cents worth.

Halleleujah Ohotnik,

I read Musica's post and thought to myself. She is very bitter, but it sounds like a woman scorned, and then REPLACED! I have problems with her nagging on him about child support. If he owes, he owes and she can use the D.A.'s Office to get her money. But if you notice her long intro that she said

"Hes spent tens of thousands of dollars sending her back and forth to Europe and on her school of course and then he tells me not to take my daughter to the doctor unless its an absolute emergency and his wife is fine with this. As far as she is concerned my life and needs and my daughters life, her safety, her needs take a backseat to her luxuries and she has never regarded my family and the effects of her selfishness on them.

If there is a problem with medical care I agree with her, but she says that her Ex's new wife is not concerned her (the ex-wife's) LIFE AND NEEDS" , and then she states the needs of her daughter.
Sorry Musica but it is not your ex-husband's responsibility to be concerned about YOUR needs, only his daughter's and his current wife.

That's life. Move on and hopefully you will find Mr. Right for you as your
ex-husband did.

Good luck.

Right on Ohotnik!!!!

chippie

Posted by: chippie

Sorry double post!!