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Falling for someone you have not met or spoken to
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Posted by: Gsurf30

Hi Khashyar:
I am member of a site called Myspace.com, which I speak to alot my friends and family. There are open profiles, email replys, instant messaging whom so ever you like. About almost a month ago I received an email from a lady name Anna from a town called Smolensk, RU. Telling me she is looking for her second half in life, a Psychologist of Children. We've been exchanging emails, Photos, and personal life experiences about each other. We've exchanged phone numbers but it is impossible to call since I cannot never get through. I did give her my number and happened to call me but I missed a call and she left a message. Of course I cannot call I keep getting recordings in Russian Language operator. She uses a mobile phone and she told me that I would not be able to reach the signal. She lives at home with her parents, only child. Doesn't have a phone at home and has to go to internet cafe to send me emails. I'm sorry, is it communication technology difficult to get a hold of someone here from Miami? I guess the real question is, do you think she really is legitimate? The reason I'm asking this question is that we really are showing are feelings towards each other. I think I have fallen for someone I have not seen in person or spoken on the phone. I'm just really scared to be scammed especially if there are feelings already involved. I am willing to fly to Russia to meet this lady and even bring her to my country to be my wife. She tells me her intentions are real and that she loves me and thinks about me all the time. I hoping you can give me advice. I know what my heart says, but the reality is something I would have to deal with. Hope to hear from..Gsurf30

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Gsurf30,

First of all, welcome to the Russian Meeting Place Forums.

Things could very well be legitimate with the woman you are communicating with.

However, please understand that it is very easy to build an unrealistic picture in your mind of someone who you have never met nor spoken to.

It is wise to tell yourself that your feelings cannot be trusted until you have me with her in person, or, at least spoken with her MANY times on the phone (perhaps 15 or more long conversations plus extensive email communicaton).

So, if communicating with her feels good, and your instinct says move forward, keep communicating her.

Another note.... EVEN if she has no phone at home, Russian Post Offices have telephones where I believe that she can receive phone calls. She certainly can call out from a Post Office phone.

I would find a way for her to arrange you calling her at some telephone number, whether it be a friend's or relative's house.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

Khashyar

Posted by: heychuck

Well, you have mixed signals there. On one hand, a lady who contacts you first is a big red flag. On the other hand, the fact that she called you is a good sign and a green flag. It is expensive for you to call her, but VERY expensive on her side to call you. So it is usually not done by a scammer. Just follow the basic rule that you do not give her money until there has been a real meeting.

But yes, keep pursuing the phone convo, and try to ask for her address. If she gives it to you that is a good sign and you can hire a P.I. for about 50 bucks on the internet to check out her address and make sure she is who she says she is.

Good luck!

Posted by: Texas Proud

Gsurf....

I would say be very careful.... I have called my lady on her cell phone and her regular phone.. you get a phone card that is cheap if you want to talk a lot...

But, I had more trouble calling Ukraine than Russia... there are times I might not get a good line, but I always get a ring or busy signal... and almost always my lady..

AND, as said, you will get something in your mind that might not be realistic... I met someone I thought I had a lot in common, but it turned out there were not the sparks that I had hoped for... Her personality was different when I met her than what I 'saw' on letters and on the phone..

I will tell you that this one I write to and talk to now has a whole different feel to me... much much closer than the other... so go in with your eyes open and things hopefully will work out..

Posted by: jpierce55

I was also falling for one I never met. I thought I would end up falling heads over heels for her. In fact it was just the start of a friendship forming nothing else.

Hope it all works out for you thought.

Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gsurf30

Hi Khashyar:
I think I have fallen for someone I have not seen in person or spoken on the phone.

It's a phenomenon called a "crush". And it's called that because someone is eventually GOING TO GET THEIR HEART BROKEN. I've heard of "love at first site" but never one called "love at first email" from someone who is emotionally healthy.

We luv ya...proceed with caution

Posted by: Andrew_D

Hi Gsurf30, Seems genuine to me (not the usual scam pattern), keep trying to get through and I wish you luck.

Posted by: ham

that is the most dangerous thing one can ever do.
everything is in one's head, not in reality.
consequences can be very serious and i know it.
i'm glad it is no longer a problem of mine.

Posted by: Gsurf30

Thanks Khashyar for that good advice. I will keep trying to arrange a phone call from her. I went to a website called Waytorussia.net which gave insite on how to phone a cellullar number. Her number starts with a 8-905-then the seven digit number. From what I read there is federal codes and that you can dial direct to 011-7-(095) then a seven digit number which is suppose to go through Moscow. Then when you hear a recording message your suppose to hit *for a tone then her cellular phone number. I bought a calling card so it would not be expensive and tried many times to do it this way, but no luck. I told her what I was doing by email, she kept telling I would not be able to reach her signal. Have ever heard of dialing direct get to a cellular phone? If so let me know? I will keep insisting that Anna try to call me soon. It is very important that we communicate by phone. If we want to continue with this relationship we need talk. Thank you...Gsurf30

Posted by: jeffs

I dial directly to my girfriend's cell phone with no problem. She uses megafone. You should be able to direct dial any cellphone. Maybe she is saying that it doesn't work where she is at. Or it is possible that she doesn't have much money on it. Remember most of the world is using prepaid cellular service so if she is picking up a call it is still costing her. As for is it real? That's a question only you can answer. It took me flying half way around the world to find out. Good Luck

Posted by: swindoom

I think it is very unusual for her not to have a phone at home, it is possible especially a smaller town/village but every Russian home I have visited has a phone. The city she states she lives in is not a small place and I very doubt there are any mobile phone reception problems.
Sounds like a scammer, I have never heard of a FSU woman contacting a western man first that has not turned out to be a scammer. They generally do not have the time or money to waste surfing internet dating sites. Remember this person you are having feelings for could be a man, you can really never be more then penfriends until you meet.

Posted by: Jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by swindoom

I think it is very unusual for her not to have a phone at home, it is possible especially a smaller town/village but every Russian home I have visited has a phone.

I've actually been in some recently built flats in SPB that do not have landlines installed. Apparently the wait for a landline can be years, so everyone just uses their mobiles. I've also known some people in other big cities who couldn't afford to pay their phone bills and had them turned off, so it is possible.

To dial a mobile in Russia simply dial 011-7-905-xxx-xxxx #. Simple. I do it every day. Just be aware that it is very very expensive for your lady to receive an overseas phone call on her mobile. Depending on her service, it can be $1-2/minute for her to take your call. She probably buys mobile phone service in $10 or $20 cards, so a short phone call can easily eat up her entire prepaid card.

Posted by: neil277

Hello.

First you need to talk much more, Nataly and Myself met on normal website with limted money each month and things were very fine and very good.

Always remember scammers never send presents but also remember finding your soul mate is very hard in any country

You will know if this lady is your soul mate when you first meet in her country only but if your lady spends your money very quick look for red flag, even today in England Nataly always looks after our money and tells me Neil slow down with spending at times.

A good lady will look after you, your health and your future and money, things will be fine and very good, a good Russian wife is very loyal and very honest.

Regards.

Neil

Posted by: inlove

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

To dial a mobile in Russia simply dial 011-7-905-xxx-xxxx #.

095 is a code for Moscow only. For other cities you will have to put another number combination instead of 095.

Posted by: Khashyar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gsurf30

Thanks Khashyar for that good advice. I will keep trying to arrange a phone call from her. I went to a website called Waytorussia.net which gave insite on how to phone a cellullar number. Her number starts with a 8-905-then the seven digit number. From what I read there is federal codes and that you can dial direct to 011-7-(095) then a seven digit number which is suppose to go through Moscow. Then when you hear a recording message your suppose to hit *for a tone then her cellular phone number. I bought a calling card so it would not be expensive and tried many times to do it this way, but no luck. I told her what I was doing by email, she kept telling I would not be able to reach her signal. Have ever heard of dialing direct get to a cellular phone? If so let me know? I will keep insisting that Anna try to call me soon. It is very important that we communicate by phone. If we want to continue with this relationship we need talk. Thank you...Gsurf30

You're welcome, Gsurf.

Yes, I think that it is wise that you keep in mind that it is not wise to move the relationship forward unless you are able to speak in person first.

Speaking on the phone (and better yet, meeting in person), reveals a level of in-person chemistry that emails often do not reveal.

Tell her it is important for you to speak on the phone, and for her to arrange a phone tha you can call (and a time and date for you to call that number), or have her call you.

If she cannot do this, then I would not trust the relationship.

If she wants to communicate with you enough, she will find a way to arrange a phone call.

Good luck,

Khashyar

Posted by: podilguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by inlove

095 is a code for Moscow only. For other cities you will have to put another number combination instead of 095.

You're confused. 095 is the city code for landline phones in Moscow. Unlike North America, Russian (and European) cell phones do not use the same area codes as landline phones.

905 is ONE of the area codes for cellphones. A Russian cell phone number is 8-yyy-xxx-xxxx, where yyy is the cellphone area code. To call from N. America, dial 011-7-yyy-xxx-xxxx.

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by swindoom

___I think it is very unusual for her not to have a phone at home, it is possible especially a smaller town/village but every Russian home I have visited has a phone. The city she states she lives in is not a small place and I very doubt there are any mobile phone reception problems.
Sounds like a scammer, I have never heard of a FSU woman contacting a western man first that has not turned out to be a scammer. They generally do not have the time or money to waste surfing internet dating sites. Remember this person you are having feelings for could be a man, you can really never be more then penfriends until you meet.

swindon a hell of a lot of russians don,t have a home phone,my wife waited 2 years to get hers & had to pay a lot (around $200us) up front.
nat was a teacher & even her incom wasn,t great so immagin if the girl is only a shop assistant.
she eventually got it while waiting for her visa but had ordered it a long time befor we met.
if the girl is liveing in a rented flat or even on her own the chances of her getting the phone on a pretty remote.
there should be a freind or family member who will allow her to use a phone though.
most of the inter/cafe,s will allow incomeing phone calls via previous arrangment
cheers bob

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

You can talk for hours and it will not cost you a dime except for internet connections. She can have a phone modem connection for not too much money depending where she is.

On the internet look up Skype and both of you download the program.
Use headsets with microphones and talk to early morning for free! For me there is 9 hours difference but we find a way to live with it.

You can also instant message with a great program that is also free called ICQ.

I have spent over 300 hours with my Russian and it did not cost me one red cent.
bob

Posted by: bobjf

g/day bob from another bob lol
can relate to time difference, often got up in the early hours to talk with my now wife.
skype is great if your girl has access to a pc but same applys as phone not to many girls do especialy if they live away from the big smoke.
i spent a small fortune on calls untill we found a good phone card

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

"My gal" is a programmer and works international contracts online so we have excellent internet between each other. We are ironing out the bugs with using cams now and should soon have them too.

I have been learning about the economy in Russia and learned that people there earn as little as $7 USD a day for labor. What an amazing country!
bob

Posted by: swindoom

$7 a day, I also looked for info about wages on the web with conflicting results. My wife was paid 4000R a month as a secretary and her mum earns 2500R a month. The average wage for her home town, Omsk, is about 8100R per month, you also have to take into consideration that men earn alot more than women.

Posted by: bobjf

hi bob yer right russia is amazing.
my wife was a school teacher in siberia, her salery for a 6 day work week came to around $300 aussie per month, god knows how ordinary workers survive.
i set up an account in oz from which she could draw from to help prove our case for the visa, when i went over all she had done was transfer it to another account & hadn,t spent a cent.
i wasn,t happy about it but in the end it paid there airfares & a good hol when they arrived.
tell me of western girl who would do that lol few & far between.
gotta love those rw,s

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Todays factor is about 28.5R to 1.00USD

$7.00 a day works into about 3900R a month or $187AUD, or $137USD.

You could live there on $50,000USD like a king.

Time to list the house!

I may have better reasons to leave America! Go to this forum about Iran now, and I've added info related to Iran and the coming world war as predicted.

http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...read.php?t=7553

Pretty scary stuff

Posted by: swindoom

Oops, you're right $7 a day is about 4000R a month, I was totally amazed when my wife told me how much she earnt and that her mum earnt even less, especially when western goods are generally about the same price as in England.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Got to ride a nice train to Scotland. Where did I put that wand now?

Posted by: bobjf

already read it bob, you managed to ruin a a nice dinner.
there,s living & living personaly i couldn,t leave russia quick enough.
couldn,t get over lack of standards re food etc or feeling realy bad for the people in general on how there forced to live.
watched an old tape of mc cartney? in red square, first time i saw a lot of russians smile.
not something i saw much of but i guess they don,t have much to smile about.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

You are living in the safest country on the planet for if it happens.
Got a spare room to rent or basement?

I've never been to Russia yet, and can only imagine.
Thanks for the information.

Posted by: bobjf

certainly hope so mate, have a nice comfy workshop under my house he he.
only advice i can give on future trip to russia is remember your going to meet the girl, country is secondary.
was a huge suprise & shock to my system right from landing in country,it will definately make you realise just how much we take for granted.

Posted by: bobjf

bob please bear in mind i,m talking about smaller cities & towns,can,t say about st pete,s or moscow,
you didn,t realy ruin dinner lol not possible natasha is a fantastic cook .

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Just name the rent!

I have to see Russia for certain now.
With all the natural resources, and intellegent young and cheap labor available I wonder why western investments are not pouring in there?

The language barrier?
The government?
Or something else?

Lawlessness perhaps?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

SB, it is because of a lack of trust. In the mid 1990s western investment was pooring into Russia in a bid to get the Russian economy running like the western capitalist economies. The prob was it was all a loan which Russia defaulted on. It sent the world bank and stock markets into a massive decline. I dont think the Russians can be blamed for this as it was pure greed, because of the possible returns if everything went ok, on the part of the western world that was the driving force for this investment. Just as the west is now pooring money into India and China. Imagine the stink if they did what Russia did!

Posted by: bobjf

ha ha good try bob,sorry i,m greedy lol.
take 1 russian girl who is used to cooking & makeing good meals with whatever she can buy, kidnap & marry her,shift her to top place ( where else my home) let her loose amongst fresh produce,let her shop (er preferbly by herself lol)to her hearts content.
sit back & reap the benifits & an expanding waistline, see it,s not all good,food bill skyrockets,new clothes to buy
old 1,s don,t fit anymore,budgets out the window hmmm when do you want to move in. bank balance could do with some help lol
seriously best move i ever made, rw,s are the best women on this planet.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Cheers mate and glad to hear it.
we can talk rent rates when the first mushroom cloud happens here.

bob

Posted by: rnmedix

if you go to a place where labor is cheap and try to set up business... you're likely to find yourself in a situation where cultural barriers will be a constant problem. you may find yourself without protection from the government. you'll probably pay through the nose for most things, etc. it's easy to imagine that you could do business in another country and be successful, but the reality is much harder.

i knew a guy who went to china for manufacturing. got eaten alive and lost huge amounts of money. as he said, they don't care if they're making money with you or off you...

i'd think carefully before i tried a business in another country. if my wife was connected, i'd be willing to try a business, but it would have to make sense.

now, as far as falling in love without meeting, that's simply nuts! it's so easy to invent someone as to how you'd want them to be. people tend to fill in the blanks mentally to make a dream mate, regardless of the reality. i'm more wondering how i can make friends online.

i found these results in a study on how people meet spouses:

"Where is the best place to meet a partner? : according to the survey, which sampled Internet users on the question, 38 percent of those in committed relationships hooked up at work or school.

A third met through family and friends, and 13 percent met their match at a nightclub, bar or cafe.

Surprisingly, given the proliferation of online dating agencies and matchmakers, only three percent of happy couples who are also online met through the Internet."

i found that interesting

. perhaps more people are meeting online, but they're not admitting it. i know i'd sure be tempted to lie about it, if i did that... but the numbers seem pretty small!

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Your caution is good wise advice.

No doubt finding a love interest online is risky at best, and deep love will not be real until after meeting and the chemistry is there, but the number of great success stories you can find in these forums is not small. Also I may add that this forum is about all thing Russian, and the Russian people are just a part of that and a big part of what is special about that amazing country.

With the wonders of the internet it is easy to get very comfortable with someone online after many many hours of talking or doing instant messaging chat. With the use of cams, it becomes even more personal.

Falling in love online is a new thing and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Same as finding them in church, the grocery store or at school.
They don't call it the most popular sport in the world for nothing and like all sports there are winners and loser with each game.

I have made some great friends online all over the world and if one becomes a love interest it is no different that the gal next door. Just a few more doors away!

But before you call it plain crazy, you should read the stories I've read many times of the very happy men and women in this site. The good ones outnumber the bad 10 to 1.

"All souls are the molecules of God."
--Nickolay V

Posted by: rnmedix

hey, if you meet someone, you meet them. but going online and finding a mate is a low percentage game. i'm not saying it can't be done, but it's not something i'd try.

heh. and yes, falling in love with someone you've never met is crazy!

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it might turn out wonderfully, but it is still insane.

once i knew this lady who met a guy online. they spent a small fortune calling, emailing, gifts, etc.. and then they met. it was over after a day and a half. they didn't even like each other as friends. i've seen so many online romances flop in the light of day that i'm just going to make friends online and if it leads to more that's fine but not the objective.

to me, there's something magically romantic about accidentally meeting someone who turns out to be ms right. so i suppose i'm a bit prejudiced against the idea of meeting someone online

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

How about if your chance meeting online happens like magic?!?

You didn't go there looking and someone wonderful enters your life?

To only search online is very limited.

To fish in all the best waters improves chances.

And I agree to find friends online is cool, and if the friendship deepens online is ever better.

Still a major portion of this site is men and women finding each other in Russia and I for one, will not rain on their parade. I see too much good in what is happening here.

There are a ton of dating and friends sites for every lifestyle. You can find someone near or far. I made a friend 5 blocks away and found the connection online. I now fix her and her friends computers which is my business. In fact I get tons of work meeting people on line.

However each day (like right now) I chat with my Russian and it makes my day. We are the best of friends and who knows?

Looking on the net can be fun, safe, and profitable.

We could meet and hate each other. But after 300+ hours online we know each other pretty darn good.

The best to you in whatever your looking for.

"When turkeys mate they think of swans." --Johnny Carson

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnmedix

hey, if you meet someone, you meet them. but going online and finding a mate is a low percentage game. i'm not saying it can't be done, but it's not something i'd try.

I must wonder then why are you here, is it just for another group of people to 'chat' with? That is something I think is slightly insane.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnmedix

heh. and yes, falling in love with someone you've never met is crazy!

. it might turn out wonderfully, but it is still insane.

We have a saying in Aus, 'You never, never, know if you never ever go'. It is the same with online dating. Unless you try it you will never know if it is insane or not. I must be insane because I chat online and I am starting to be really attached to a lovely lady from OS who guess what I have never met, but I have spoken to, chatted online with and seen on cam as she has seen me on cam. Like I said if you haven't tried it you really wouldn't know if it is nsane or not. Broaden your horizons and satrt to see how there are people all over the place you might just become really attached to if you are willing to se the possibilities.

Now heres the HUGE disclaimer, when doing the above suggestion, remember your supposedly and adult and should consider what can and possibly will happen. No warranty is implied or will be given with this advice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnmedix

once i knew this lady who met a guy online. they spent a small fortune calling, emailing, gifts, etc.. and then they met. it was over after a day and a half. they didn't even like each other as friends. i've seen so many online romances flop in the light of day that i'm just going to make friends online and if it leads to more that's fine but not the objective.

to me, there's something magically romantic about accidentally meeting someone who turns out to be ms right. so i suppose i'm a bit prejudiced against the idea of meeting someone online

However you find the lady who will worship you as the sun sets as you will obliged her with the same respect is up to you, I wish you all the hapines in the world for when it happens.

Posted by: bobjf

if your not going to leave untill mushroon clouds then i want the rent in advance hehe.
rent conditions.
must love a barbie
good beer
fishing & just be laid back hmmm like an aussie lol

Posted by: bobjf

when family & friends tell you your nuts looking online you tend to keep quite about your life ,i suspect your right & think it,s far more common than surveys sugest
well known fact that surveys & sustistics prove zilch

Posted by: bobjf

well said bob & i,m 1 of them.
many told me don,t do it,many of these are no longer friends.
your life partener is were you find her, matters only to you & for those who don,t beleive, more fool you.
i personaly know of many happy couples who did it online

Posted by: bobjf

hey bob your rent chances just improved.

pc fixer srewth mate your in
currently using my old pc as new beaut monster dosn,t like working online,has a hissyfit often when i try to download.
pen 4 /2.8
512 ram
builder has replaced modem twice & installed service pack 2 but it just loves rebooting
funny this old dog works fine.
personaly i think motherboard is a lemon

Posted by: markgm

AHH but love is insane,

Many document cases throughout the world what people have done in the name of love.

I fell in love with my girl through letters,photos and phone calls and my instincts turned out to be right.
She also fell in love through the letters, photos and phone calls and her instincs were right.
When we did eventually meet it was like we had known each other for years it was not awkward or uncomfortable it came very natural to the both of us.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Booting problems, going online are software issues not hardware.

Hardware failures are total and easy to find.

I have dubbed this the year of the code devils who can write new viruses, trojans, worms, ad-ware and spyware faster than any one protection company can keep up.

I have 5 powerful programs and still fight the bugs on my PCs.

may I first suggest you go to xoftspy.com and download their program.
It will give you a free scan and for about $30 USD a year's protection.

You may be very amazed what it finds.

If you can't get it to boot up, start again holding down F8 on most computers and start up in safe mode. First run whatever software protection you have, and then try normal boot and get xoftspy.

Is it still under warranty?

Service call online:$55

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai_Bob

Booting problems, going online are software issues not hardware.

Hardware failures are total and easy to find.

I have dubbed this the year of the code devils who can write new viruses, trojans, worms, ad-ware and spyware faster than any one protection company can keep up.

I have 5 powerful programs and still fight the bugs on my PCs.

may I first suggest you go to xoftspy.com and download their program.
It will give you a free scan and for about $30 USD a year's protection.

You may be very amazed what it finds.

Good Idea Samurai,

Bobjf mate buddy pal, Samurai is right also check your service pack 2 as there is upgrades to this that fix some of the problems you are metioning.

Bob go and get a free copy of zonealarm pro 30 day trial on zonealarm pro and you get to keep the basic programme afterwards.
Also adawareSE personal for spyware its free. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
also go here and get the free AVG virus detector it works better than my bought virus softwares. http://www.grisoft.com/doc/single/lng/us/tpl/tpl01

Take care Mark

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

I was going to milk this one for another hour and email the bill.

Just kidding, I forgot the horrors of Sp2 and the freebees are great.

Excellent advice.

Go To Windows Update and get all critical updates!

And I have Ad-ware and AVG and Registry mechanic, and they are still winning the war against us. EVery troublecall I've had this year was infections some of them hundreds, and no one program does it all.

Only one time did I have to whip the Hdd, it was a real bad one.

Posted by: bobjf

hey mark as deccie stated he will never never know if he never goes.
we who have been & done know & could care less what others think.

Posted by: bobjf

silly little dreamer $55 boy did your rent just skyrocket lol
thing did it first time it was turned on with just xp pro installed from same disk as on this 1.
warrenty is via my sis so is forever if he knows whats good for him.
soon as i went online & tried to download blackice it got to about 5% & rebooted, eventually got antivirus installed after many attempts but have twice now returned to old pc

Posted by: bobjf

hi mark oldson. done it mate
have & use avg 7
also no adware
best of the lot i,v found is blackice,nails crap as it trys to get in
this old girl is as clean as they come
ice is set at parenoid & can be a pain but it does work,use it at work on company pc.s too.
it guy was so impressed he now recomends it

bob updates are set on auto.
beasty had service pack2 written over the top, when that didn,t solve prob he tried new modem & then reformatted & service2 from scratch & then another modem &then &THEN lol old 1 still works great,might just take him shark fishing for talking me into latest junk.

Posted by: deccie

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobjf

hi mark oldson. done it mate
have & use avg 7
also no adware
best of the lot i,v found is blackice,nails crap as it trys to get in
this old girl is as clean as they come
ice is set at parenoid & can be a pain but it does work,use it at work on company pc.s too.
it guy was so impressed he now recomends it

Hi Bob,
Hmm.. Sounds like the company IT guy doesn't know what he's doing.

Much better idea is a corporate/company firewall and proxy server. Don't deal with the infection once it's inside your company network, keep it out in the first place. The only devices that should need a local firewall are
(1) systems you can't patch because of some application issue

or

(2) Mobile devices like notebooks.

Using Windows Update monthly is a very good idea. In fact the latest patches for XP just got released this week.

I'm so happy my desktop is now OS X..

Posted by: bobjf

dec thats what blackice is supposed to do & has up to now

no complaints from me

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

boy did I sleep late today!
the joys of self-employed.

A new machine and never been online?

Reload Windows or use the repair feature option.

Is it a DELL machine? There are problems with DELL Tech support online being loaded with bugs.

Does the machine have AOL on it? They are as bad as porn sites for computer infections from their downloads.

With spider seek programs you do not have to open an attachment to get infected, just being online is enough and the new generation viruses will find you.

There are many bugs that make the machine reboot. If it is a worm, it will self-replicate until it totally locks up.

I still suspect software/infection problem(s) as hardware failure is almost alway total failure and odvious to find. And make sure the RAM cards are well seated.

Posted by: jpierce55

Frankly guys I think most people looking online are just trying to get laid and that is a large reason the marriage rate is likely so low.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

With all the swinger sites available like adultfinders, someone whould be stupid to look here for a quicke.

Swingers pay for their play. Trust me.

Posted by: jpierce55

SB I know some people that look around on dating sites just for sex. Some people are sick enough that the people on adult sites don't work. Some are out there looking for an innocent person. Some people get kicks out of hurting others emotionally, or they get a power surge, or whatever the issue is. Maybe some just like the extra challenge, or maybe some need all the help they can get.

Many men go to the FSU to meet women only for sex, they are called sex tourists.

Yes they would be waisting their time on this site, but I was referencing those statistics.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

understood and agree totally

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Originally Posted by bobjf
hi mark oldson. done it mate
have & use avg 7
also no adware
best of the lot i,v found is blackice,nails crap as it trys to get in
this old girl is as clean as they come
ice is set at parenoid & can be a pain but it does work,use it at work on company pc.s too.
it guy was so impressed he now recomends it

Ok now I am awake and thinking clearly.

You may very well have a hardware problem afterall.
I have read enough details here to go this direction.

Likely hardware problems are:
a bad RAM memory stick
a weak or dying power supply

If you have 2 sticks of RAM, try working with only one at a time and see if the problem clears.

If not, your power supply may be too weak for the computer, or it has random dips in voltage output possibly due to heat. It depends when the machine reboots. If it reboots right on start up, the RAM is the main suspect.
If it reboots after running a while, the power supply moves to first position of interest. That is NOT iron clad, both could cause your symptoms.

But now I am 95% sure it is hardware.
I had to wake up and review the facts for this patient.

A loose/poor cable connection is always a suspect too.

Two different brands of RAM may not be compatable. It doesn't happen often, but it is a possibility.

Is the hard drive new? If not, and it has many bad clusters, the machine could tilt out and reboot trying to work around a hard drive full of holes.

These are possibilites but I would need more detailed information to give a better opinion of what is causing it. More detailed symptoms of how it is sick.

It might be a good idea for a thread to be here, for geeks on call to help members with their computer concerns. I would be willing to help and I am sure there are others.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

No doubt BlackIce and xoftspy are two of the best available.

Until people go with Linux you will need all the protection you can get.

And another super feature of BlackIce is you can catch the code bunny at the door.

http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/fi...id,18840,00.asp

I now have a little Budda looking gold emblem below my name, how did that happen? What are those anyway?

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobjf

hey mark as deccie stated he will never never know if he never goes.
we who have been & done know & could care less what others think.

How right you are Bob

Posted by: ham

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpierce55

Frankly guys I think most people looking online are just trying to get laid and that is a large reason the marriage rate is likely so low.

there is some truth in this.
i think the internet for most represents the only option allowing them to:
I) show some (artificial) best self
II) scheme without (many) errors
III) get things done quickly because of I & II

This might have been 100% accurate in the remote past...i have no idea.
I'm online since 1997 and can say i was immediately flooded by liars, nutcases, pretenders etc.
The typical audience & peers on any dating site are like here
http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...57733#post57733

perhaps there is some chance if one is from a large metropolitan area & his goal is just to "get laid tonight" as most dating sites now suggest.

of course waters are so muddy that it is very likely one will meet some distasteful online persona & pay his entrance ticket.

the underlying psychological reason is that most people see the internet as a promised, fairy land where the only adjectives permitted are cool, sexy, funny, wealthy, travelling, whatever.
That is highly unrealistic unless you're say a millionaire, supermodel or a pop star...and millionaires or pop stars don't date over the net.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

the underlying psychological reason is that most people see the internet as a promised, fairy land where the only adjectives permitted are cool, sexy, funny, wealthy, travelling, whatever.

"Body percings are a very good thing. It lets me know right away when somebody is not all there."

---Hank
"King of the Hill"

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Sheez this thread took off andI just haven't kept up, butit appears neither have others. Sorry Deccie to do this to ya but Bob it was humble old mewho said the never ever bit.

SB, I myself had a machine that did what bobs is doing the prob a bad mother board. Nothing else but that. I fitted am ASUS P4S and kept the same everythong else from the old MB apart from new RAM, the old RAM is now in my sis's machine and runs great in it. The prob was the MB simply overheated and shut the machine down, especially while on the net or while doing some sound or video file recording/editing.

Posted by: bobjf

mate i think if you did a survey on rmp you would find a lot more married couples than you think.
i certainly didn,t get into this just get laid, i,m wondering why your here if thats what you think,won,t tell you what my wife thinks about your statement.
1 day you just might get it

Posted by: bobjf

bob it,s all been tried,not a dell & won,t go anywhere near aol.
it,s possible something got in the first time but blackice was loaded from a disk second time befor we tried online, no joy
guys don,t know if you have tried blackice but i think it,s tops, many friends are useing to & more than happy with results.
like i said this old dog is completely clean er so far lol

Posted by: bobjf

thanks bob pc help on here would be great.
machine is totaly new (everything ) & ram chips are a matched pair.
bro inlaw tried another matched pair to just to see but he is still leaning towards crook mother board.
bloody thing is inconsistant with reboots & has him stumped at the moment
cheers from oz

Posted by: deccie

Bob, how old is the board? Not how long have you had it but what was the date of manufacture?
There was a major problem with the electrolyte used in capacitors about 12-18 months ago.

Check the small capacitors on the board for signs of doming or leaking.

There was a major industrial scandal over this. Dell got hit by it badly - even posted on the stock exchange that it was a cause of them missing third quarter earnings last year.

Posted by: bobjf

oz please accept my humble sorry, should of looked further.
but it is very true,don,t know why some very negative guys around here bother.
this does work if you try get it TRY.
there is no wrong or right way to find a partener & i,m very sure there are plenty of guys on here who didn,t beleive it would happen for them too, me included .
i,m one very happy hubbie who wouldn,t change a thing.
well one, get even with evil creature in embassy.

Posted by: bobjf

hi deccie
don,t know mate but i told him to replace it & see what happens,that was last monday,left him in peice since
will be over there tomorrow morning so will see but he hasn,t rang me yet

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

humble apo accepted bob.

One real peice of advice for P, if you aren't going to by one of the specials for $999 with a flat screen etc. then build your own mate, if you can do a car or a boat, i'm telling you that you can do a PC.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Parts swapping is the way to go now them until it clears. Changing MB is a valid idea. I still wonder about power supply. Also, any new part can be bad new out of the box. Let me know how it goes.

Posted by: bobjf

thanks bob ,will do
new motherboard has been ordered under warenty.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Let me know how it goes.

I spoke with the man and I will soon establish a thread for computer chat and make myself, and hopefully others (geeks) available to our friends on this site.

Is my room ready?

Posted by: bobjf

will do bob .
do you have the necassary traits lol
workshop floor could do with a sweep

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

and sling a mean mop too!
If you have any questions, rattle my cage.

Posted by: bobjf

aussie,s have a saying
beware the sailor who offers to show you the golden rivit lol
no rivits around here & my ship is only 19ft,bit smaller than your used to
do you like fishing , could use a swabi lol

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

Aye Aye Captin !

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

ha ha ha, another thread trhat has gone way off track. Keep up the good work boys.

Posted by: bobjf

come on oz can,t be serious all the time & bob is hankering to live in aus lol.
fixs pc,swabs decks lol
what more could i ask from tennant