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Sex just has to rear it's ugly head !!
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Posted by: Hostile_hostage

O.K. you've been writing letters, making phone calls to this really cute Russian woman for months and every week you're finding differnet things to like about her. You've asked so many questions and your heart has been melted by her replies.
Sex......................you want to discuss sex.
It's only normal after all !!
Where do you begin.
I would hate to cause any kind of offence. I certainly don't want her to think that I'm really only interested in her for her body and what heavenly delights she may have in store.

The one thing I'm not is a 'sex tourist'.
I'm not even thinking that sex will be on the agenda when we meet.
We are compatible in so many ways it's only natural that I'm interested in the sexual side.

Any advice but be really appreciated.

Posted by: GREGK

I would not consider discussing this with her until after you have met. After all you really are strangers until you do meet her. There is a proper time for everything but emails or telephone conversations are not suitable for discussing this topic with her. IMHO

Posted by: Texas Proud

Hostile.. I PMd you on your question...

Greek. I disagree that you should not bring it up prior to meeting... it is something that can make a big difference if there are some issues between you and her... I think it need to be brought up after you have established a great relationship and not early in your writing... I am not saying you should be talking about 'how do you like to do it'... but in general what are your expectations... experiences etc... not trying to be 'dirty' on the subject, but if you are not comfortable talking about sex then you are not yet to a position to have a good relationship in my opinion...

Posted by: EasyTarget

I think we need a woman’s opinion on the matter.

I think about this way, when would you bring up sex if you were dating someone in your hometown? 1st date? 3rd date? Every relationship is different.

One question you SHOULD bring up IN ADVANCE and if done properly will not be offensive. Is the question "have you had any sexually transmitted diseases?"

One most likely doesn't have to worry too much about Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Syphilis, since they are easily treated. However something like herpes is very common and nobody wants that unfortunate surprise.

BTW
Personally I would never mention anything remotely sexually suggestive in an email until after I met someone and had spent some serious "quality" time with that person.

Posted by: ham

i think it's absurd to discuss sex or sexual habits with someone you have never met.
Sure, if one is too concerned about failure and/or has particular sex habits and demands, he should at least let her know.
That's part of you same as say religion or belief: if you're a practicing mormon engaged with your church or a KKK devotee, then she must know.
I read a phrase once:
i'd like a woman who'd go for sex ten times a day...joke, well at least think about it.

I'd take the jokingly light-hearted approach, then let the next move to her, always keeping in mind it's futile to discuss sex with a perfect stranger...as said, in person a couple might lack even basic chemistry, forget night long threesomes & bondage.

Posted by: clever1

OK guys and gals, curiosity got the better of me here, and I know it killed the cat BUT.

Who took protection

with them on their first meeting ? and where was it on your packing list ?

and I don't mean Searcher and Keith taking their arsenal of guns,

<<<< colt
or your travel insurance.

John

Posted by: Jill

I'm going to be a downer for a minute, but I do feel the need to put in a bit of a public service announcement here:

Quote:

One most likely doesn't have to worry too much about Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Syphilis, since they are easily treated. However something like herpes is very common and nobody wants that unfortunate surprise.

PLEASE do not forget about the big one: HIV. HIV in Russia and Ukraine is at epidemic proportions (according to WHO estmites over 1% of the Ukrainian population is HIV positive--that's one out of every hundred people! Not sure about Russia, but it is definitely on the rise there as well). Although in the beginning the infection was mainly among IV drug users, this is changing and the infection rate among the general population is growing. Please be as careful in Russia as you would be in the US/Europe. You need to be. Condoms are sold everywhere (however, buy them in an apteka, not at a kiosk and check the expiration date). And be prepared for some women being offended by your insistance on using one--a lot of Russians are not into condoms (which is actually one of the reasons that HIV has spread so rapidly there). But stick to your guns--just be careful how you explain it to her, you certainly don't want to insult her. Although more progressive, younger women will probably be fine with the idea (and may even suggest it themselves).

OK, back to our regularly scheduled programming....

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

I'd just like to second Jill here; even a cursory search on the internet shows plenty of sources commenting on STD's in the FSU. Do be careful - it's not fun, it's potentially your life you're risking. Be as sensible there as anywhere else.

Ade

Posted by: searcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by clever1

Who took protection?

and I don't mean Searcher and Keith taking their arsenal of guns,

John

Ahhhh and I thought about it but too much paperwork to get guns into and out of Russia

not to mention the likely suprise cause by the distinctive "Black Rifle" (ARmalite/AR-15) i'm sure that would cause a lot of stares and attract a lot of attention

But it sure would be fun if they had a rifle range there and to compete against their best police officers

I bet I could beat them!

Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:

Originally Posted by clever1

Who took protection

with them on their first meeting ? and where was it on your packing list ?

John

Takes up such little room in your suitcase, better to be safe then sorry.

Posted by: tonton

Yes, take the little rubber things. In my experience, condoms are not expected. Use them if the event arrives. However, to the original question - bring up the subject of sex discreetly. My initial correspence with my lady lasted 5 months, did not mention sex often. She was in Greece, I was in Germany only 2 days prior to our meeting in Moscow and we spoke. Her words - 'do you think we may have sex together?'. I was very surprised, and knowing she was was quite conservative was more of a surprise. I know she was at her friends wedding when we spoke and she had a few drinks,but - it is considered by the ladies in your home country, and also in Russia. Treat it no different and allow events to unfold as naturally as it should.

Posted by: jpierce55

CIA site lists Ukraine at 2.2% and further statistics place 40% of that between ages 19-25.

Posted by: jeffs

Quote:

Originally Posted by clever1

OK guys and gals, curiosity got the better of me here, and I know it killed the cat BUT.

Who took protection John

I found that picking out the "right form of protection" was a hilariously fun thing to do with my girlfriend. You'll find all the major brands are available.

On the original subject...

I think you have to talk about sex. Maybe my girlfriend is an anomoly (and all of her friends too) But I didn't find the culture to be prudish at all, quite the contrary.

And in any relationship with a gal back home, especially one that is primarily online/telephone or long distance otherwise, it's always come up with in the first few dates/long conversations.

Maybe preface your desire to talk about sex with an "I'm not sure if this is culturally appopriate but... it's an important aspect to any serious relationship"

Just my two cents...

Posted by: zaniac

This is the first time I've read this thread. My opinion is that sex is not really worth talking about before the first meeting. I think women (some of them) are easily put off by this.

One example being was when I met my friend Natasha in Kiev late last year. She had told me about a western guy who was constantly texting and calling her on her mobile. She was put off by the fact that she felt this guy was after her body and not interested in a relationship with her. Why she was telling me this on one of our few meetings? I don't know, but she clearly had an uncomfortable feeling of the guy. I offered to answer the phone the next time it rang, but she declined my offer, laughing.

I can see however that finding out before visiting, if a lady uses protection can be of valuable use when deciding if it feels right to visit any specific lady.

Posted by: jeffs

I guess there are multiple ways to look at it. First off I bet we all have a different definition of "talking about sex". Is asking your partner/potential partner "How important is sexually compatibility to you?" talking about sex? That's a big difference than "What's your favorite position?" or "tell me what you want me to do to you".

I just find it odd that anyone would fly halfway around the world thinking they are in love with someone and have never discussed sex. I had no clue if there would be actually chemistry until we met in person... both we both thought there would be and proceeded like there would be. I'm no expert here... but I really have approached this relationship like I would with any other.

And of course... everywoman is different...

2 more cents... total of 4 now.

Posted by: zaniac

In this game, I wouldn't fly over to the other country expecting it to be love instantly with the lady you are visiting. I would take it that on the first day of the visit you should consider yourselves as friends. After that work towards the relationship aspect, see what happens. In my opinion, never assume that it will be instant love on the day you fly out to meet her. Letters are one thing, but for both of you to know that you are truly in love, you need to meet first.

Just my 2 pence

Posted by: heychuck

Well you say that it is odd to fly half-way around the world to meet a woman and not talk about sex. I can't agree with that. I never directly talked about sex with my fiance before I visited her in Russia. Of COURSE I was curious as hell before I went about her sexuality, but thats because I'm a man. We met, had chemistry, and had plenty of sex when I was there. After that we talked about sex with each other. Don't go to Russia unless you are geniunly interested in meeting a quality woman who you could live with!! Meet her first, find out if this is true, then think about sex.

Having said that... my observations of the culture and sex where that Russians tended to be more sexual and passionate then americans, but unlike americans, sex is something you do, not something you talk about. You discuss it with your lover and that is it. If you are 'together' it is just assumed you are having sex there. My fiance had no problem buying protection in public with me, so I don't think there is any taboo about being a woman and being sexual, like there can be in the US.

I really wouldn't suggest openly and blatently talking about sex before you go. If she is what I consider a normal Russian girl, and only this is only from my experiences, she will have sex with you if she likes you and there is chemistry. From my experience and the few other men I know of who have shared with me, it will be some pretty mind-blowing sex too!! I would suggest asking her about her previous boyfriends. Women love to talk about 'love' and not 'sex'. You can find some hints in there about her sexualality. Find out if she is religous and somewhere in there throw in "how does your religion view sex?". Yes it is a somewhat direct question, but if you throw it in with a larger discussion of religion, she doesn't get the feeling that is why you want to go see her.

Anyway, we are all fairly experienced with women here. You know they worry very much about a man loving her for her body and not her 'soul'. We all know women are not the most logical of creatures at all times, in general. You need to tread carefully here because you can turn her off before you meet her and lose any chance at a wonderful relationship.

Posted by: jeffs

Missing my point here... maybe it's becuase my girlfriend speaks great english and we didn't meet through an agency. We just approached this as any other relationship. I agree... chemistry is something you can't tell over the phone, internet, letters, etc, etc... But we built a base. It took from the gate to the taxi in Kiev to get over the shock of it being real. But once the shock was gone, we'd built a base for many months that we relied on.

Again there are many ways to ask about sex, and it means many things. But I sure as hell wouldn't cross the atlantic thinking I'm in love if I wasn't comfortable asking my potential partner "what they found important in a lover, found attractive, turned them on, etc" I'm not talking graphic...

Maybe that's why everyone is so worried about being scammed, they are approaching it like it's a different thing all together. It's a relationship. Everyone has thier own style. If you'd be comfortable asking a woman you met online in the states a question, I'd ask her. We're talking about women, not dolls or some forbidden artifact. We've all been around to know what is and isn't kosher.

Maybe the real question is... do I want to consider marrying someone that I am uncomfortable asking a question to? I hope the discussion helps you.

Ok I promise... done.. let's call it 10 cents and a day.

Side note:Also... please for you experts if I'm way off base because the agency route is doing something completely different let me know. I'd just assume that by the time you are headed over there things have reached the point that you feel strong and need to verify, not let's check it out

Posted by: markgm

Definitely do not talk about sex in your letters with her or telephone conversations.
Chances are you will offend her. Meet first develop a relationship and if you have the chemistry it will happen very quickly Russian and Ukrainian women do get offended talking about sex with someone that they do not know very well you may come across as a person that only thinks about sex. Dont worry she will be thinking the same about you but to her it would be taboo to talk about so early in your relationship.
My fiance and myself both found out that we had the same concerns about each other when it came to the sex part of the relationship but we did not discuss these concerns till we were well into our relationship.
Her advice to you is do not discuss it in your letters or phone conversations untill after you have met.

Posted by: SteveM

I wouldn't even think about raising the subject of sex with a women I hadn't even met yet. Until you meet you can't even be sure there is a chemistry there. If I was a women I'd definitely be put off by a guy asking such questions. As far as questions that may seem important like STDs, I'm not convinced that you could be sure of getting a truthful answer making it a somewhat pointless question.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by markgm

Definitely do not talk about sex in your letters with her or telephone conversations.
Chances are you will offend her. Meet first develop a relationship and if you have the chemistry it will happen very quickly Russian and Ukrainian women do get offended talking about sex with someone that they do not know very well you may come across as a person that only thinks about sex. Dont worry she will be thinking the same about you but to her it would be taboo to talk about so early in your relationship.
My fiance and myself both found out that we had the same concerns about each other when it came to the sex part of the relationship but we did not discuss these concerns till we were well into our relationship.
Her advice to you is do not discuss it in your letters or phone conversations untill after you have met.

I agree Mark and have also found this the case through my own experiences.

I have also been told quote categorically that sex is private between the couple and FSU women do not discuss it in detail even with their close friends, only their partner, although they may not all have the same view on this and I cannot prove it, just again my experience.

Chris

Posted by: lester

That's my experience too, it's Private !!!

Posted by: markgm

Hi Chris, Lester,Steve

It is very personal to them to be shared between couples this is also from my experience.

regards

Mark

Posted by: Keith In Kodiak

"Hi sweetheart, I'll be arriving next week and I just thought I'd ask you if you have gonorrhea or syphilis or anything like that..."

Ah we must be nearing Spring, the romance is already in the air! Or is that just a lot of swearing in Russian?

Posted by: markgm

Hi Keith,

He!! He!! ask some of those questions of a FSU woman and there will be a lot of Russian swearing going on.

Take Care

Mark

Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:

Originally Posted by markgm

He!! He!! ask some of those questions of a FSU woman and there will be a lot of Russian swearing going on.

Take Care

Mark

Mark: if you don't ask the question there might be LOTS of swearing in English...3 months after "meeting" her. :-)

Posted by: clever1

Whats the point of wanting to know "Fat Yuri's" or some interpreter's bogus letters sexual escapades ?

Wait till you have the woman in visual range, then you can ask the personal questions, you will also see how she reacts to them, body language speaks a lot too.
If there's no chemistry, your hardly likely to share a bed anyway, so whats the point of knowing her sexual past ?

John

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

Mark: if you don't ask the question there might be LOTS of swearing in English...3 months after "meeting" her. :-)

It is a tricky one Easy but you will find that you need to click first with her chemistry wise and a FSU woman will in most cases take it the wrong way if you discuss this with her without knowing her first. She takes pride in her honesty and trustworthyness and will expect the same from you. I can only go on my expierence and i am far from an expert on the subject.

Take care Mark

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by markgm

Yes agreed Mark, in my experience things like this were only discussed when we knew each other better and she was ready to take it too the next step if you know what I mean!! She would never have discussed these things if she was not comfortable with me. At that stage she was quite willing to discuss things even aids etc which she pointed out to me was a BIG problem in Ukraine and I should be careful and not trust anyone!! until I knew them much better!!

Posted by: Keith In Kodiak

It's a pointless question.

If she did have an STD, she'd have it treated. She's not going to carry it around as if she's fond of it and just can't bear to see it go. And if you ask, she's going to answer "no' on the grounds that it is none of your business.

In either case she's going to be offended by the question.

Posted by: SteveM

Quote:

"Hi sweetheart, I'll be arriving next week and I just thought I'd ask you if you have gonorrhea or syphilis or anything like that..."

Lol that one had me rolling around

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrismc

This was exactly how it was with us as well Chris

Posted by: bingism

In an effort to break the 200 posts barrier, I'll add a little comment to this thread:
I can't ever imagine asking about sex... it's a bit like asking "would you mind if planned a surprise party for you on Wednesday??" I can't recall discussing it with any of my GF's in England and why on earth would I ask about it simply because this is an international dating scenario. I would've thought it's much more fun to play the waiting game rather than plan it in advance. Also, I don't think it's ever a good idea to talk about the quantity or quality of previous partners... these things have a nasty habit of biting you on the arse and, bearing in mind the Russian propensity to answer a direct question with a direct answer, you might not hear what you wanted to. At the end of the day, it makes very little difference what happened in the past and I for one am not white enough to criticise LOL
I also agree with Keith - what kind of buffoon is going to answer "Yep, there was that bout of syphillis and gonorrhea is a real b*tch to shift. Don't worry darling, if I give you a dose of something, I know a really good Doctor!!!"

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by markgm

This was exactly how it was with us as well Chris

and just plain common sense too!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak

It's a pointless question.

If she did have an STD, she'd have it treated. She's not going to carry it around as if she's fond of it and just can't bear to see it go. And if you ask, she's going to answer "no' on the grounds that it is none of your business.

In either case she's going to be offended by the question.

Not everyone has the common sense to be careful in this regard. If hse has had something like this just ask yourself how did she get it anyway? In some cases, such as rape etc, it isn't something that is the individuals fault, but as soeone who has a romantic interest in the person I would sure as hell like to know if there has been anything in the past. The past is the past yeah sure but history has proven in so many ways that the past can come back and bite you in the butt big time. I wouldn't like my prospective to think worse of me if I had something and never informed her of it.

As for how you bring it up. As the person who has the issue, read past infection (and NO I have never had anything) I would inform the person early on. As the person who maybe worried about he other individual having something, I would wait until I met them and the possibility of something extra-curricular happening was a good betbefore asking. This then saves the embarrasment to both parties. I jst think we have to be adults about this because quite frankly the RW Bride scene is looking a bit like a sex tour in many ways.

Posted by: jpierce55

I still believe a mild mention early on makes it easier. When I said that ofcourse I did not mean to get graphic or in deep detail. It also makes a difference in what my main point is and what I am trying to get across.

I don't know how anybody can have a serious relationship and not discuss sexual history. That does not mean that you discuss specifics or partners in detail. History makes a person and if you don't know the history you don't know the person.

Posted by: Samurai_Bob

First boys and girls, you do not want to spend your life living with one mistake that a thin membrane can avoid. Trust me it is not worth it.

Second, a question perhaps for the girls here:
After getting to know your love interest...
Is it safe to open the conversation like this before meeting:

"What is you idea of a dream lover? What best pleases you?"

Do you like breakfast in bed? or your feet rubbed?

This approach is neutral, and shows true concern for her and her needs.
From there the conversation can break the ice on a neutral level and more deeper thoughts may surface.

Just a thought to break the ice, and learn a lot before meeting.

"Talking from morning to night about sex
has helped my skiing, because I talk
about movement, about looking good,
about taking risks. "

-Dr. Ruth Westheimer

Posted by: JamesB

I wrote to my girl for 7 months before meeting her in egypt and we hadnt mentioned sex.Then she booked the hotel and when i arrived it was a double bed so i guessed it could be on the agenda.Since meeting it comes up fairly often,sex i mean and so i would say to wait until you meet rather than seem too forward.

Posted by: JuliaNH

I think that topic should be discussed, but not in first letter and very tactfully.I`ve read lots of recommendations for women not to start this topic, so men should do it first or this question has chances to remain undiscussed.

Posted by: GreenBarb

Be Tactful and take it easy. Keep any discussions simple before meeting and only shortly before meeting. Be ready for the "Only visit for Sex question" it maybe asked. My wife worked with a girl who was treated in this fassion, so I was asked this question.
As for the deeper questions only ask when you have met and you see how you bond or don't bond.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

And then when you get there and after a few days things really pick up and 'something' looks like happening, you politely ask her if she has had anything or still has anything, you will be lucky if you dont get a slap in the face and a whole string of expletives in a language you have no idea about. Then maybe you'll be lucky if you ever see her again anyway because you have just offended her by asking the question just b4 you were about to get some exercise.

IMHO ask her gently b4 you even go to meet her, otherwise you will be going on a trip to meet somene who, if they had/have something, you will not go further with.

I feel it is not about what you ask it is about how you ask. If they are as honest as they say they are, you know the 'I hate lie and deception' line in the profiles, then they will answer yoyu truthfully and will understand why you are asking this anyway as HIV/AIDS is a serious threat in the FSU.

Posted by: GreenBarb

He is a tip for you all. Under Russian Law anyone who works in a shop selling food Products must under go examination every 3 months for STDs. If they are found to have something

it is recorded and they are not allowed to work until they have been treated.

They each have a book that this is recored in and is inspected and stamped.

Posted by: lester

The above also applies for working in the Ukraine.

My Lady has to visit the doctor this week for a medical to renew her "registration", as she has a part-time job in a food-shop.

Posted by: Chrismc

Greenbarb and Lester

Does this also apply to those who run street stalls and markets stalls that sell food???

Chris

Posted by: lester

er, It can't be so. You've seen 'em too Chris

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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Originally Posted by Hostile_hostage

O.K. you've been writing letters, making phone calls to this really cute Russian woman for months and every week you're finding differnet things to like about her. You've asked so many questions and your heart has been melted by her replies.
Sex......................you want to discuss sex.
It's only normal after all !!
Where do you begin.
I would hate to cause any kind of offence. I certainly don't want her to think that I'm really only interested in her for her body and what heavenly delights she may have in store.

The one thing I'm not is a 'sex tourist'.
I'm not even thinking that sex will be on the agenda when we meet.
We are compatible in so many ways it's only natural that I'm interested in the sexual side.

Any advice but be really appreciated.

Don't do it. You are sending the wrong message. Do you remember what it was like when you talked to your buddies about sex but you had never had sex? You could talk about until you're blue in the face but there was no way for you to know what its like until you actually experience it.

Ill say this.... you'd be surprised how many times guys write girls and speak with them on the phone, travel to meet them only to discover the girl wasnt warming up to them. In other words she didnt feel that romantic (sexual tension) chemistry with the guy. The guy not understanding that its just one of those things... couldnt figure out what the problem was making every possible reason under the sun other than the obvious truth he didnt want to face... No chemistry.

If your girl likes you, trust me, you'll know. Women from the FSU dont have the puritanical hang ups about sex that western society has. The time to discuss sex is AFTER you have had sex with her, in private with her. When a woman likes you, she makes it clear that she likes you. She smiles a lot, looks at you wants to hold your hand and be close to you. When she is doing none of these things or avoids physical contact with you, she is saying I dont like you (romantically speaking)

Id say if you have been writing and speaking to each other on the phone for an extended period of time and she doesnt want to sit very close to you in the taxi to where ever it is you are staying and doesnt want to hold your hand, you probably have a lady who doesnt sense any chemistry and there is NOTHING you can do about that. Its one of those its there or its not there things.

Posted by: lester

"If your girl likes you, trust me, you'll know. When a woman likes you, she makes it clear that she likes you. She smiles a lot, looks at you wants to hold your hand and be close to you".

That is so very true, Rob.

She will feed you, dress you and parade you around to show you off!
She will cling to you like a leech and woe betide any other lady that makes eyes at you!

Posted by: dagpop

There are subtle ways of letting your woman know you are interested in her sexually, without outright saying it.Before I went to visited my woman in Tashkent,she would say things like "I burn with desire" or "my ideas are only about you".I would fan the fire and say "I dream of our nights together".
We both knew what we wanted,but did not actually say it.Try it and see if it works.

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by lester

"If your girl likes you, trust me, you'll know. When a woman likes you, she makes it clear that she likes you. She smiles a lot, looks at you wants to hold your hand and be close to you".

That is so very true, Rob.

She will feed you, dress you and parade you around to show you off!
She will cling to you like a leech and woe betide any other lady that makes eyes at you!

how very true lester but you fogot to mention that getting caught with wandering eyes can be detromental to your health lol
they are extremly jealous creatures to if they have decided hook you

Posted by: GoingToRussia

"She will cling to you like a leech and woe betide any other lady that makes eyes at you! " - bobjf
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So that's why my GF said she would meet me in Moscow when I told her I was going to hire a "Girl Friday" to escort me from SVO 1 to SVO 2!!!

GTR

Posted by: bobjf

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

"She will cling to you like a leech and woe betide any other lady that makes eyes at you! " - bobjf
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So that's why my GF said she would meet me in Moscow when I told her I was going to hire a "Girl Friday" to escort me from SVO 1 to SVO 2!!!

GTR

lol you can bet on it she isn,t about to let another girl get a look in

Posted by: markgm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

She will not want any other girl near you they are very protective of the men they have an interest in.

Posted by: dagpop

My woman would hold on to my arm,as to show me off to other women.One thing I did notice about her,she would want to hold on to your arm and did not want to hold hands much.I do not know if that is their custom.I did enjoy having her on my arm.

Posted by: Volga Trader

That is absolutely the Russian custom, especially if one of you is over say 30. Real youngsters 18-very early 20's sometimes hold hands in public but it is a rather aggressive display of emotion. Almost heavy necking by US standards.

Do it right. Her arm goes inside yours.

Nice really. Unmarried women with whom I am not romantically involved do it with me sometimes.

Posted by: Algol

We exchanged emails for 2-3 months prior to meeting. The subjext of sex never came up. We met at the airport and the 3 of us (Angela, the translator & I) went to a rented 3 room apartment(kitchen, living room, 1 bedroom). After dinner, desert & some drinks, Angela announce thru the translator that she was ready for bed. Our translator also said yes we had better get to sleep and started getting the couch ready- I assumed for me. I said, I'll do that. Her reply--no no you are sleeping with Angela. Things progressed nicely each night though out the week.