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Belarus' Lukashenko Says U.S. Was Behind Soviet Union's Collapse
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Posted by: RMP News Desk

Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said on Wednesday that the U.S. president George Bush was behind the "sponsored" collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

http://mosnews.com/news/2005/11/23/lukashenkoussr.shtml

Posted by: martin3030

Suprise suprise................
The breakaway states are doing fairly well so I dont think they are complaining.
The Federation is naturally worried as more states seek indipendence indeed as even China lays in wait to claim parts of the lower regions !!

At the end of the day the fall of communism was bound to happen in the end.
In the Capital little has changed though........the KGB is now defunct but has been replaced corruption is still rife the military and the Police still call the shots and its still frowned upon to be doing anything by the book.

The older generation perhaps are bewildered..............after all they knew nothing else.

Posted by: ham

I remember at the time i studied it in school ( USSR politics exam ).
a) Gorbaciov made two critical, idiotic mistakes:
1. appointing a cheating vice-president. According to USSR's latest reforms, the vice president had powers of his own, which would later serve as smokescreen for the "committee" orchestrating the golpe.
2. letting the drunkard Eltsin become president of Russia. Eltsin was already on a KGB kill list for his personal past, but Gorbaciov thought he could turn him into his dog puppy while saving his life. He was wrong.

b) during the golpe, while Gorbaciov was unable to react, Eltsin invented and passed into law many ukazi (decrees), which were basically dismantling the USSR legal & constitutional skeleton. The Baltic States' earlier secession (with clear western influence ) served as smokescreen. Once freed, Gorbaciov admitted he had no chance but to subscribe to those decrees.

c) Such undemocratic events as the later parliament ( Eltsin orchestrated ) bombing enjoyed full western support. Of course probably americans were told they had "won" the cold war, but they rather bought their way to the belt.
Again, that was a subplot to achieve the undermining of USSR's constitutional skeleton.

d) in the end everyone followed these steps, even the asian republics nobody had even heard of, and ultimately the nail in the coffin came from Gorbaciov resigning from his presidential position (hint: he was the first & deemed to be elected by the parliament, subsequent president should have been voted by people ).
He said the CSI was a joke and he was right ( has such an entity ever operated as one? ).

Another fact leading to the feeling of an orchestrated move is the light-speed solution of sky-high problems such as:
1. the debt sharing for the former USSR
2. the atomic arsenal quickly (supposedly) surrendered entirely to Russia
3. the agreement for the military zones
4. The UN seat surrendered to Russia without even much of a debate

Now the EU has not reached a third of half of a compromise about a UN seat or nuclear arsenals after decades, yet the USSR's collapse was razor cut & orchestrated in a few months, without much of a debate, controversy or even war.
Can you imagine that happening to the USA? or to France?
Jefferson Davis anyone?

The West bribed its way to the belt.
We all know France announced it'd pay hefty fees to the baltic states as newly independent states, when in fact the thing was still to come into regular international law ( they said those were frozen payments from when those states used to be independent ).
The US hefty payments to the asian republics for airforce bases, etc is well known.

Thus the idea the collapse of the USSR was more of an orchestrated move than "people so happy to get into the free world of capitalism" has much merit.
The latest event in Ukraine clearly show a massive western financial & else involvement supporting the "orange" party, and Kuchma had long been said to be the man from Moscow.
News confirmed money was handed out to orange supporters during the events...whose money?
American...german...my own tax money?

This doesn't diminish the smart moves by Reagan & Gorbaciov on their ends, but voids the event of the fluffy "we-won" aura...

Posted by: martin3030

You raise some interesting points here with clarity too.
I wholeheartedly agree with you,apart from one section...........The Soviets have not surrendered their Nuclear arsenal,in fact they are still a force to be reckoned with.
Their armies may have shrunk and maybe they no longer parade their hardware in Moscows Red square,but they really have no need.
Their efforts are being concentrated in the Causican mountains where their underground facility is far beyond anything anyone has ever seen.
With their increasing revenues from their Oil and Gas dealings they have plenty of cash to remain one step ahead. (Although according to some need not go ant further they have enough already to blow away the entire globe )

Posted by: ham

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...........The Soviets have not surrendered their Nuclear arsenal,in fact they are still a force to be reckoned with.

i said the former USSR states (ex Ukraine) surrendered (supposedly) their nuclear arsenal TO Russia, along with the UN security seat.
I didn't say they gave it up.