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been a while since I posted (Ukrainian court system and child custody)
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Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Wanted to give the board an update.

Natalya arrived at home here in Columbus on July 27th and after 3 wonderful months together we married on October 21st.

She is a wonderful wife and she loves my boys as though they are her own. We are working on getting Sveta here and if anyone has some advice on how to work within the Ukrainian court system to obtain sole custody of her daughter it would be GREATLY appriciated.

Her ex is on his 3rd marriage and has in every sense of the word abandoned Sveta. He has not made any support payments or visited Sveta since the divorce 6 years ago (Sveta is 7)

Posted by: lester

Welcome back Rob, pleased to hear that all's OK with you and Natalya.

Best of luck with the legal side of things!

" In God we trust.........Others........Cash"

Posted by: Khashyar

Good see hear from you, Rob.

Congratulations on your marriage... That's fantastic news.
To best understand the Ukrainian court system, Natalya will probably need to talk to a Ukrainian lawyer in Ukraine. I'm not sure whether there are Ukrainian legal experts in the U.S. or not.

Perhaps soneome in the forum has had that kind of experience.

I hope that Sveta can come as soon as possible. Keep us posted.

Khashyar

Posted by: inlove

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Originally Posted by RobOhioGuy

Wanted to give the board an update.

Natalya arrived at home here in Columbus on July 27th and after 3 wonderful months together we married on October 21st.

She is a wonderful wife and she loves my boys as though they are her own. We are working on getting Sveta here and if anyone has some advice on how to work within the Ukrainian court system to obtain sole custody of her daughter it would be GREATLY appriciated.

Her ex is on his 3rd marriage and has in every sense of the word abandoned Sveta. He has not made any support payments or visited Sveta since the divorce 6 years ago (Sveta is 7)

Hi Rob,
First of all, congratulations on your marriage. I hope both you and your wife are happy and going to be happy together for the years to come.
Second, there is no such thing as a sole custody of a child in former FSU. The court usually decides with whom a child resides (usually the mother), and who is paying support payments (usually the father). If the father is not paying child support, the mother can get a court order to garnish his wages. The custody is still mutual, no matter what, unless the court decides one parent to be "unfit", and take his parental rights away. It is a difficult, expensive, and often unsuccessful process.. I would not recommend you and your wife to try this route, although if you are prepared to fight real bad, she can try to take his rights away..

The matter can be resolved without going through court if he agrees to let his child leave Ukraine. He needs to sign this agreement, and it needs to be notarized. It is enough for a child to move to the US.
What I don't understand is.. why your wife did not bring her daughter here with her? It would have been much easier for everybody.. Isn't there a special visa for the defendants of fiances? Who is taking care of the child now?

Posted by: J60

Hi Rob,

Sorry to hear about your predicament with regards Sveta,
I was in a similer situation a few months ago, and Inlove has stated exactly what we found out,
the court that decides is a special childrens court, as apposed to the normal criminal court system,

with regards to a notorised letter, has your wife asked her ex about this ???

the only thing i can add is that we were told there are only three things that the court will give a verdict of declaring the father as unfit,
these are a chronic drug or alcohol addiction, physical abuse of the child, or mentally unfit, and that it could take anywhere from six months to a year to go through the proccess, and you really need a Ukrainian lawyer to act on your behalf,

Luckily in our case the father signed the letter afte a lot of tears and pleading from his daughter and the threat of asking for six years back maintainance for his daughter,

John

Posted by: paulLiverpool

Cogratulations Rob

I hope everything works out for you and that someone on here can help you out with your predicament.

Paul

Posted by: inlove

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Originally Posted by J60

Luckily in our case the father signed the letter afte a lot of tears and pleading from his daughter and the threat of asking for six years back maintainance for his daughter,

John

Another way to pursuade a father is to tell him that you are alright with the child will living with him full time, and he can take care of the child, expenses and all.. Since he did not pay child support for 6 years, you are not obligated to pay anything either for the next 6 years.. He wants to be a father, alright, he can be a single parent, just like his ex wife has been for a while.. He will sign the letter immediately, I can almost guarantee you.. Guys like that are not interested in their children, and they don't want to take care of their children.. They want to control lives of their ex-wives, and black mail them with the child.. Once you take this control away from them, they will agree to everything..

Posted by: Pin Boy

a friend of mine married a ukrainian woman who had a daughter. he gave the father $2,000 to not make waves and allow the child to leave the country. i don't know of the father had threatened to not allow the child to leave, if he asked for a certain amount of money, or if they had tried any other methods.

pin boy

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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Originally Posted by inlove

Her ex is a real A-hole. He is on his 3rd marriage and has abandoned all of his children from previous marriages. He makes a lot of money but pays no support to natalya or his second wife.

My wife did not bring Sveta because as you so aptly pointed out, in order for a child to leave the country the father must consent to it. Natalya's mother is taking care of Sveta.

As for the notorized consent, he is more than willing to do this when I am willing to part with $25,000.00 What is truly frustrating is this bozo doesnt give a rats behind about Sveta what he is interested in is a big pay off.

Posted by: skinsfan

Robohioguy...it is terrible...your story even made me angry !! but, Inlove has a good idea...if you are a poker player, maybe your wifes mother can simply show up at the fathers home with the daugher and her bags....i am sure this mans wife will not be happy with this at all !! i obviously don't know all of the situation, but...if it were me, i would try and make his homelife very uncomfortable until he relents....somehow you need to turn the tables on this idiot !!

Posted by: skinsfan

Just to clarify something...i am certainly not suggesting you leave your daughter with this man, and after thinking of it longer, it probably is not a good idea...this child has gone through much already....excuse my thoughts...i just hated hearing of your problem, and i sincerely wish you a positive and speedy resolution.....

Posted by: jlsilicon

Yes, I have the same problem. I married a wonderful woman in Russia 6 months ago. We have a beautiful marriage. I spent about 5 months living with her and her children over there; we got our own appartment -and I got a taste of the real life there. The people are very polite and helpful.

About the problem. We are trying to get her and the children over here to USA. But the jerk father has spent no more than 6 months with them in the kids' entire lives (the oldest is 4 yrs). And has only started giving any child support about 2 years ago, barely enough to pay for a baby sitter. Now in the last few months since we are taking him to court for custody, he is providing 'adequate child support'. He only sees the kids a half day per month. And claims that he is 'doing best for kids' to keep them in Russia.

The kids even desparately look to me as a father, because they have had no 'available' father in their past -and only me now. She had given birth and raised the children while the father was 'out of town' having fun for years.

We are going to court. We have a lot for us: all of the family support, the kids think of me as their own father, 5 months of me with family and kids in past year, minimal Ex support, etc. Our lawyer insists that we can win, but we are worried that the odds are still bad.

What else can we do ?
Any Help is appreciated.

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

I just wanted to update you all....

Natalya and Sveta are in Ukraine right now waiting for the final stages of the visa process.

Natalya had a taped phone call from her ex in which he states that he will be willing to accept 20,000 USD for consent to allow Sveta to leave the Ukraine. That evidence was submitted in court and mulitiple people testified that they were positive that it was he Ex on tape. We won our case!!!

I cant wait to be reunited with my wife and family

Posted by: skinsfan

Congradulations Rob !! that is awsome news !! now you and your family can begin your normal lives together...best of luck to all of you !!

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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Originally Posted by jlsilicon

Yes, I have the same problem. I married a wonderful woman in Russia 6 months ago. We have a beautiful marriage. I spent about 5 months living with her and her children over there; we got our own appartment -and I got a taste of the real life there. The people are very polite and helpful.

About the problem. We are trying to get her and the children over here to USA. But the jerk father has spent no more than 6 months with them in the kids' entire lives (the oldest is 4 yrs). And has only started giving any child support about 2 years ago, barely enough to pay for a baby sitter. Now in the last few months since we are taking him to court for custody, he is providing 'adequate child support'. He only sees the kids a half day per month. And claims that he is 'doing best for kids' to keep them in Russia.

The kids even desparately look to me as a father, because they have had no 'available' father in their past -and only me now. She had given birth and raised the children while the father was 'out of town' having fun for years.

We are going to court. We have a lot for us: all of the family support, the kids think of me as their own father, 5 months of me with family and kids in past year, minimal Ex support, etc. Our lawyer insists that we can win, but we are worried that the odds are still bad.

What else can we do ?
Any Help is appreciated.

I think you are going to have a tough time. First off, its not common for a ex wife to get ANY child support. The fact that he is sending "adequate" support AND is involved in there lives....

I think you are going to find that the judge is not going to be sympathetic to your case at all. He sends support AND he see's them weekly. I think you are trying to apply a western standard to support and involvement to a culture that doesnt see support that way.

Posted by: lester

Congratulations, from this side of the pond too Rob!!

The truth will always win the day, maybe slowly, but a great victory for you both!

Time for a beer!! Cheers to ya!