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Behappy2day Tver

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Posted by: GREGK

I opened an account with Behappy2day in April 2005 to contact a specific lady on their website. To correspond it is necessary to purchase email credits which you use to send letters to and read responses from their ladies. After exchanging several email letters with this particular lady and a three-way translated telephone conversation with her ($2.00 a minute) I became suspicious. I had read some less then flattering comments about Behappy2day and their business practices on various websites including agencyscams.com. I sent an email to them inquiring about this and they responded that this was "badmouthing" by their competitors. Shortly thereafter I noticed my ladys' profile was no longer on their website. I inquired about this and Behappy2day replied that this was done at her request since she had decided to correspond with only me. I was aware that this lady was also registered with Lifetimepartners in Tver. I contacted them and learned that this lady had never even heard of me much less corresponded with me or talked to me on the telephone ( I have since been corresponding with her through Lifetimepartners). I sent an email to the president of Behappy2day Yaroslav Fahretdinov explaining the situation (that his staff had apparently been impersonating my lady) and I requested a refund of the money that I had spent with his agency. The next day I received a "breakup" letter from "my lady" through the Behappy2day website. I also determined that Behappy2day was now blocking me from sending their office staff anymore email. I am currently out $194.00 which includes unused email credits and worst of all they wasted 4 months of my time while I corresponded with "whoever" instead of my lady! NICE PEOPLE!


Posted by: Leprechaun

Maybe the nice people will respond to me, I sent them a mail. I will post an update as soon as anything happens.

They now have a chance to prove how good they are as their testimonials page suggests.

Now they have an opportunity to show their worth to a disgruntled customer in front of so many eyes.

=o)


Posted by: ConnerVT

Another Behappy customer...

There was a time when Yaroslav was trying to run a respectable business. Not any more. Your is just another of a series of complaints I have heard over the past year about his business practices.

I did meet him about 2 years ago, at a friend's wedding in Tver. Seemed like a nice enough guy. But I guess he decided there was more money to be made from scamming letters than by running a legit service.

LTP has had it's ups and downs, but they genuinely try to run the type of business they advertise.


Posted by: GreenBarb

Not the best thing to do, running an agency scam. Especially if a disgruntled customer shows up with some Muscular Friends...


Posted by: Jerico

I used Behappy2day about 2 years ago and the service was great and reasonable (like 20 a month unlimited letters).
They seemed legit enough and had some nice ladies on the site.
But I did check their website and now you have to pay by the letter so it has changed a lot I guess.This gets real expensive fast but Of course all Americans have lots of money , Right?
So it is nothing, hehhe. J/K ,of course.
Jerry


Posted by: Leprechaun

So if you paid for a service you havent recieved how does that get put into the account books? What does the taxman think of Behappy2day?

with all those responses from happy customers with names and addresses the books should be up to date, shouldnt they?

Ive saved that web page.

We will wait a bit longer for the response from Yaroslav Fahretdinov.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Reality is for every guy who reaches into his pocket for airfare to Russia, there are probably 20 guys, sitting at home in their underwear, writing letters to non existent women. A a few bucks a letter, there is some big money to be made by those without the moral foundation to care if what they do is right or not.

No one is too worried about disgruntled clients arriving on their doorstep, or accountants checking for taxes paid.

It all comes down to knowing whom you're dealing with, be it an agency or a woman...


Posted by: Leprechaun

[QUOTE=ConnerVT]

No one is too worried about disgruntled clients arriving on their doorstep, or accountants checking for taxes paid.

QUOTE]

You wouldnt say that when the taxman or a couple of heavys call at your door.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Think about it.

You lose a few hundred writing letters to a scam agency. You already feel foolish. You now spend several hundred dollars more to fly to Russia to beat up someone? In a country where you don't know the language? Alone? Or do you admit your stupidity to several of your friends, convince them to come with you, and pay their airfare and expenses? Or do you try to hire local muscle?

But then, you need to find the culpable person. Unless you plan to beat up some young female interpreters. Again, in a country you do not know, and don't speak the language. And what if his muscle is bigger in size and number than yours? Afterward, who is more likely to be detained by the militia?

Still sound like a good deal?

As for the tax man, you don't think even a halfway decent accountant can wash the books? It is income, be it socially acceptable income or not.


Posted by: Leprechaun

I repeat, YOU wouldnt say that when the taxman or a couple of heavys call at YOUR door.[/QUOTE]


Posted by: Leprechaun

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnerVT
Think about it.

You lose a few hundred writing letters to a scam agency. You already feel foolish. You now spend several hundred dollars more to fly to Russia to beat up someone? In a country where you don't know the language? Alone? Or do you admit your stupidity to several of your friends, convince them to come with you, and pay their airfare and expenses? Or do you try to hire local muscle?

But then, you need to find the culpable person. Unless you plan to beat up some young female interpreters. Again, in a country you do not know, and don't speak the language. And what if his muscle is bigger in size and number than yours? Afterward, who is more likely to be detained by the militia?

Still sound like a good deal?

As for the tax man, you don't think even a halfway decent accountant can wash the books? It is income, be it socially acceptable income or not.



id say a good taxman can spot washed books, but how can he account for money taken for no service recieved? and no one said they were going to go and put the pressure on some young females.

who said anything about flying to russia either?

You loose even me sometimes conner


Posted by: Leprechaun

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnerVT
Think about it.

You lose a few hundred writing letters to a scam agency. You already feel foolish. You now spend several hundred dollars more to fly to Russia to beat up someone? In a country where you don't know the language? Alone? Or do you admit your stupidity to several of your friends, convince them to come with you, and pay their airfare and expenses? Or do you try to hire local muscle?

But then, you need to find the culpable person. Unless you plan to beat up some young female interpreters. Again, in a country you do not know, and don't speak the language. And what if his muscle is bigger in size and number than yours? Afterward, who is more likely to be detained by the militia?

Still sound like a good deal?

As for the tax man, you don't think even a halfway decent accountant can wash the books? It is income, be it socially acceptable income or not.



id say a good taxman can spot washed books, but how can he account for money taken for no service recieved? and no one said they were going to go and put the pressure on some young females.

who said anything about flying to russia either?

You lose even me sometimes conner.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprechaun
You loose even me sometimes conner


Where do the "heavys" come from then? Must be a language/regional slang misunderstanding.

And why would the tax man even be involved? A scam agency can run everything 100% in the open. Fees for services rendered (even if no worthwhile service is provided). Yeah, you can complain to the militia or the RBBB (Russian Better Business Bureau?). Good luck. If you have ever read the bickering that takes place between agency owners (fortunately not on this forum), you will see that the truth gets lost in the accusations and counter-accusations.

As when the police arrive for a "Domestic Disturbance". They don't care who's right or wrong. They just want everyone to shut up and calm down. Battling with a company several time zones away just isn't worth the hassle.


Posted by: inlove

isn't being scammed a part of the proccess in obtaining a MOB from FSU?
This is the risk one is taking when engaging in funding a wife from another country via third party. Unfortunately, you have no means of getting back at them, Conner VT is absolutely right. Write it down as a bad investment and move on.


Posted by: Jerico

I agree with inlove and conner,
Write it off as a learning experience,
There are plenty of guys here (including myself ) that have found REAL interested women.They are there. You just have to feel them out and determine for yourself if there real or not in the first few letters.
Then take the next steps such as a trip to meet them.
If I was going again to meet another Russian girl I would DEFINATELY have a back up plan.
At the least i would have agency names and addresses in the city or cities i was visiting that i could go to as an option if things go bad.
Jerry


Posted by: Leprechaun

Im amazed at the come on rip me off steal from me attitude here.
Never write off being ripped off when you can do something.

Thats how they can do it and laugh at the posters here.

Jesus guys, stand up for yourselves or you just a bunch of yes men?
(not on this side of the water)

The scammers/con men are laughing now....


Posted by: Leprechaun

[QUOTE=inlove]isn't being scammed a part of the proccess in obtaining a MOB from FSU?
QUOTE]

Maybe for some, it wasnt for me and many so dont generalize or try to fool others with your scandals....


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprechaun
Never write off being ripped off when you can do something.


My point is, "At what cost?" Sure, if you wish to invest even more time and money, aggravation and effort in trying to recover your monetary loss. But you will never be compensated for your time or perceived injustice.

It's not as easy as dealing with a tradesman who overcharged you for some work you had done locally -- take them to small claims court, or picket outside their office.

Sometimes it's better to take your lumps, and learn from your experience. Learn that it's best to know whom you do business with; and never gamble more money than you are willing to lose.

Sometimes the School of Hard Knocks charges tuition...


Posted by: sidney

Yes lep I also feel something should be done. Although the FSU has a system that hardly invites this. I feel education is a powerful tool. This site has helped to reveal some of these less then honorable agencies as well as people. By voting with your wallet, as in not sending money to these scams we can do something. Also by posting as well as rating agencies and such we can hel others make a more educated decision. I feel the frustration in feeling our hands are tied at times. I think eventual the truth does get out and those not providing a service will disappear from the scene.
Sid


Posted by: GreenBarb

I guess in my case the Luck of THe IRISH really held out as I never had the miss fortune of running into a scammer. Even If you never ever read a scammer site or read anything about warnings common Scence should tell you you should not give money to someone you never met.
That is as bad as meeting a person on the street and they say My Mother is very sick and the medicine costs a fortune, give me some money. You just would not do it, until you really knew the person.


Posted by: Jerico

Quote:
Im amazed at the come on rip me off steal from me attitude here.

Were Americans Lep. ,We are used to being ripped off by the government in taxes


Posted by: Leprechaun

The dreaded taxman rears his ugly head again on this thread =o/
I hope some of ure taxes help the people of New Orleans. =o/


Posted by: lester

Well, what can be said to all this?
Certainly the world is full of "sicko's".
There is a global" laid back" response to complaints.
Modern standards have certainly got worse in everything
it seems.

So what's to do? Accept it, or revolt?

I chose to "opt-out" of this rat race! and join the
growing lobby of disgruntled folk, who campaign
for change.
Correspondence with the "powers that be", letters to
the media folk, educating the mis-informed are all very
useful tools to help in the attempts to "stop the rot".
No doubt some will say it's a waste of time, but my
conscience is clear, I've done my bit!

And it's friday too

May the Lord above send down a dove,
with wings as sharp as razors.
To cut the throats of all them blokes
who sell bad beer to sailors!


Posted by: GREGK

All we can do is put the word out about this agency. I submitted the same info to RWGUIDE and agency scams.com. This outfit uses PAYPAL and I notified them too. At the time I got involved in this mess Behappy2day had a satellite office in Joplin,MO that his brother Ruslan was associated with (not too far from where I live) and I assume that is how they were able to obtain a PAYPAL account. I no longer see the Joplin info on their website. If I decide to go to Tver it will be to see my lady and not to thump on Fahretdinov. A Russian jail cell would not be on my list of places to visit. By the way ConnorVT I have heard that Ted Bundy was a charming fellow when he wasn't slaughtering women ( Fahretdinov at the wedding). One thing that really gripes me is that I mailed a packet of photos to "my lady" @ Behappy2day including pictures of my daughter. The thought of these dirtbags having them truly offends me!


Posted by: ConnerVT

GregK -- Question for you: Did you look at any of the RW forums out there before doing business with BeHappy? Contact any former customers? Google search? For I know that it has been at least a year since I began hearing about the troubles people have been having with that agency...


Posted by: lester

That's a good move Greg, PayPal won't be too happy
to read your report! Nice one!
lester.


Posted by: GREGK

ConnorVT- I did check them somewhat but obviously not enough. A lot of what was posted about Behappy2day was good (older info). I did not find this site or some of the others until I was well into this mess and that it is when I questioned them and things snowballed from there. I wish these sites were required reading for anyone contacting agencies. I guess the old saying "Fool me once shame on you-Fool me twice shame on me" now describes how I view agencies and the need to obtain any and all information regarding them.


Posted by: Leprechaun

PAYPAL

yep, i had a run in with a dealer that took money off me without giving me the service, they stopped his account after my complaint

That business venture closed down as he had lost his way of getting paid.

Keep punching.


Posted by: Ade

Quote:
Originally Posted by inlove
......This is the risk one is taking when engaging in funding a wife from another country via third party....


A rather ironic misspelling, I think

And while people shouldn't just put up with being taken for a ride, the reality is that you aren't going to get your money back, and there are lots more important things to expend your energy on.

Unless someone has the time to conduct a well co-ordinated campaign to stop this process, it isn't going to be stopped anytime soon.

Doesn't make it right, but there are lots of things in the world that aren't right....

Ade


Posted by: Leprechaun

Now i get it, ure all a bunch of 60's hippys too stoned to do anything about it.
Funny how me and lester would be the candidates for this....

The world has too much apathy and I dont give a damn.

Ill still go with the path of Lester and choose to do instead of dont.

It seems our friends havent responded yet, but as this post grows everyones input actually adds to the point of cause viewable on the net for others future reference,
So you are all active in being involved.

We thank you.


Posted by: inlove

You have to pick your battles , Lep. When there is so much grief in the world, one's problems with scamming marriage agencies are just .. well.. insignificant to the bigger picture. I would not be spending my energy on this, that's for sure..


Posted by: Leprechaun

Yep and thats the problem, I pick the battles i see in front of my eyes, If a wrong happens something crosses my path, i get involved, I state a case and make a complaint. you dont think i waste my time here all day do you?

If you want me to count I picked 5 battles today where wrong was done and done something small, however insignificant it may seem.

theres no excuse for doing nothing and im sorry but im not into excuses.


Posted by: Jason

Sorry to hear about your problems with the agency, Greg. Last year when I was in Tver I made friends with a girl who had been a "translator" for Behappy. Despite being literally a starving student, she quit the job because she couldn't tolerate the dishonesty that was required of her.

However, Tver is a really nice place to visit. I've been there three times myself and had a great time on every trip. If you do go, may I suggest you consider staying at the Hotel Osnabruk (I think that is how you spell it). It is a 3-star European style hotel and reasonably priced, but it is very clean, the service is great and they have one of the best restaurants in town. It is actually my favorite hotel that I've stayed at in all of Russia.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Tver is a nice city. Been there many times myself.

Lep, don't hold your breath waiting on Yaroslav to respond. He doesn't...


Posted by: Leprechaun

yes conner.


Posted by: GREGK

Leprechaun- Thanks for the assistance .I have the feeling you would be a good man to have around in tight situation. Jason- Thanks for the input. The "breakup" letter I got was hilarious " So many men surround me" " I am weak" " I need a man". What kind of a person could work there and still look at themselves in the mirror everyday? Do you think a hotel is preferable to a flat? I have heard hotels have a curfew for guests.


Posted by: Jason

That breakup letter sounds ridiculous. I think you're doing the right thing: post your experiences to all the RW forums you can. They will stay in the archives and appear in other guy's searches for years.

Of course it is a matter of preference, but I actually prefer staying in hotels. I've stayed in some pretty bad "western-style" apartments in Russia, and even the nice ones had sporadic hot water and tiny beds. The hotel that I mentioned is simple but very comfortable. I don't know about curfews (I was always too much of a gentleman to bring any guests over ). You could ask them if you are concerned; the front desk people all speak English. However, they do have a private sauna/banya facility that you can reserve for yourself (and your friends).

Thinking about Tver makes me want to go back there. There is a nice park along the Volga and I had some really nice times walking there with the ladies that I met. There are also a couple of decent local agencies if you need a backup.


Posted by: Leprechaun

I do take compliments well so thanks, =oP

stick around the forum, do the weeding, theres a lot of good advice here and a load of guys here just been married or will be shortly that are really good sorts.

Ive done the aprtments and hotels and until you find a good and cheap contact in the apartment game its better to stick with hotels, its not much extra to book it for 2 people and if she wants to stay with you after a few days together then you can easily upgrade to a double room.

theres always the sofa too =o)

Always be the gentleman though and fully cosiderate and go with her feelings, every woman dreams of a gentleman & its part of what will win it for you.


Posted by: BradIL

Leprechaun---its Brad---I'm here. You ready to discuss this?


Posted by: Leprechaun

Yeah, its interesting that you have a phone call tomorrow with behappy,

you should be cautious but not to the detriment of sounding suspicious if she is real,

Greg & Jason has 1st hand exp of chatting with these girls so they may be able to give you some pointers, i hope they post back soon for you.


Posted by: BradIL

Here's the only thing that is strange in all this... (as I mentioned this is O)

She told me in a past letter she has a phone... she gets some of my letters that way (not unusual)... but she wouldn't give me her home phone number. I was trying to set up translation here in the STL, as opposed to the more expensive agency plan. She felt more comfortable with a BeHappy translator.

During this conversation (since she's proclaiming all this luv) if I ask for her home phone number... SHE SHOULD GIVE IT TO ME, yes? We've been writing for about 6 months, a month of her professing GREAT LUV... so a phone number should not be a problem, agreed?


Posted by: lester

Bradil, the phone , is it landline or mobile?
I agree, after 6 months, you should have some direct contact, be it with
parents/ friends phone.
You both need some privacy, after all!


Posted by: BradIL

Hi lester--- it would be a landline. She says it is a phone at her family's flat.

My point is: I get this number, I (or anybody else) should be able to call it and reach her. And there may be a friend-of-a-friend who can confirm all this. If its a scam... I can pop the lid off of it within 24 hours after my phone call.

AND WE WILL ALL KNOW FOR ***SURE***!!!


Posted by: lester

Hi Bradil. I take it you've checked out her home address and email address
for possible red flags?


Posted by: BradIL

No lester--- this is NOT a woman through a dating site.

THIS IS A WOMAN LISTED AT THE BEHAPPY AGENCY.

As with Greg... this is one of their profiled women.

We've been writing via the agency (their translation services, etc.).

She has been hesistant to give me her phone number. Proclaiming all this great love for me. During my phone call on Sunday... if she does not give up the phone number... I have good reason to add credibility to Greg's claims that interpreters are impersonating the women who are profiled on the site. In that event, the CON GAME IS UP!


Posted by: Leprechaun

I met Irina on a free site, the 1st letter was a bit generic but from the 2nd onwards I felt she was a real person.

we had our 1st phone conversation one month after our 1st letter, 6 seems a very long time.


Posted by: BradIL

Leprechaun--- that's my fault.

I preferred to write as opposed to talk. In fact, on advice, it was suggested I build some correspondence to use over a period of time, because a con game can be tripped up by the details in the letters that are sent to you.

I will say my letters with O were also very natural after the introductions... until August. She became romantic AND all this luv talk could seem a bit stiff at times. The natural flow of the conversation changed.

Part of this is my preference... so don't read too much into the length of time of our correspondence here.


Posted by: lester

Snap, lep,
I met through freesite too, I expected the worst, but up to now,
no cause for concern!
I phoned, had address within a couple of weeks too! All legit.

And when I get there, in 17 days time, T's interpreter wishes to
meet me and exchange English/Russian grammar.


Posted by: lester

Hi Brad, so only email letters, nothing to/from her home address by Airmail?
sorry to ask, but I've got an enquiring mind today!


Posted by: BradIL

That's fine lester... enquire-away!

No airmail between us. Just e-mail. Again, my preference.

I do not have her home address... and really didn't want it... until I talked to her for a while.

That's why this phone number issue is so important to me in our phone talk tomorrow.

She sent me mail today saying she knows I am going to be her husband.

Well... with this ASTONISHING developement... Brad hubby-to-be should certainly have her phone number... and excellent suggestion lester... her HOME ADDRESS! ***I WILL ADD THIS TO MY LITTLE TOPIC LIST***! Thanx friend!


Posted by: Leprechaun

After 14 emails (2 weeks, one every day) I got this at the end of my letter.
"Today I am romantic and I embrace you tender"
after 4 weeks I gave her the first E-kiss
I signed off the maill with "Blows a kiss across Europe"
(copywrite that one lep)
and this is the response i got "Strongly hugs and give you tender kiss"
it got smoochy after a month of mails.

I can fully understand ure holding back and every couple is different Brad but i guess its time to make a move, now is your opportunity.


Posted by: lester

Hi Brad, reply to her, ask her how the hell will you meet your"wife",
if you don't know where she lives!
See what response you get!


Posted by: BradIL

Good point!

Of course, she will say we will meet through the auspicies of the BeHappy agency... via one of their Romance Packages. They arrange dates, etc.

The trick here is: SHE SHOULD GIVE ME THAT NUMBER!!!! And, for that matter, as you suggested lester, HER HOME ADDRESS. If I am this hubby-to-be!

Leprechaun... I got tender kisses and all that stuff. What I watched for in the mail was reactions to my questions, jokes, etc. I have to say that something does occur to me now. I have been reading any Tver website I could find, and having a vague description of her parents, I found someone with a similar last name that work at Tver State University. I asked her about this woman, and several other questions. She deferred answering them, saying I'll answer them later and started all the luv talk. I'm going to bring them up in the phone call.

If she hesitates... something is fishy. Remember... I HAVE A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE to refer to... so this could be REAL JUICY!


Posted by: Leprechaun

Here is the fully available Whois information on beHappy

http://www.whois.sc/behappy2day.com


Posted by: BradIL

Excellent Leprechaun!

I feel like a G-MAN about ready to either launch a big BUST... or realize this woman is real and I need to get over there and meet her!

Its showdown time on Sunday.

There is another member of the RMP who can be a big help here. He's the one that referred me to BeHappy and can be invaluable on confirming the identities of the girls. I won't mention the member... great individual... but we could really have this case cracked by early next week.


Posted by: BradIL

Had to change my mood with all this plotting and investigating and all.

THIS IS KIND OF COOL, y'know!


Posted by: lester

Aha Brad, suppose they arrange the wedding, reception, instant family
and all!
Talk about the "Immaculate Conception!"
Bet the consumation is included too!


Posted by: BradIL

Yeah lester... that would be HILARIOUS!

What would be a stitch in all of this if it turns out to be a 70 year old babushka bored and looking for a few rubles.

What was that film that featured Michael Douglas and Sean Penn--- where they staged a series of catastrophies as part of a birthday present for MD's character? Could BeHappy pull off such a charade?

Then again-- maybe the girls are real. We will find out Sunday.


Posted by: lester

Roll on Sunday, all will be revealed!


Posted by: BradIL

Either way.... I am going to be fit to be tied. Just itching to post here.

Hey... if this turned to be a CON GAME... should I send the President of this agency a box of scented tampons?


Posted by: BradIL

Don't hold your breath on this phone call- folks.

Just checked my mail at BeHappy. O sez she may not be available for the talk on Sunday. I laid on the pressure... what could be more important than your 1st phone call from hubby-to-be- I'm confident you can make the time for it.

Perhaps someone from BeHappy has been cruising the RMP... discovered GREGK's thread... my posts... and-well... you see where this is going.


Posted by: GREGK

BradIL You are getting scammed. I will bet she suggested the phone call. The first call I arranged the translator called and said my lady had cancelled it. ( she had to go with a girlfriend whose boyfriend was in an accident)Two weeks later the call finally happened and "my lady" was in a hurry because her grandfather had supposedly broken his leg ( crying and the whole bit). The translators impersonating my lady probably had a witches convention they were late for. If you have caller ID check it. The first call I got was'nt behappys phone number. I called it back and got a Russian guy on an answering machine. I too asked for her address and phone number. I never got it. The explantion was her parents were not interested in her agency involvement and she needed a behappy translator to talk anyway. The questions I asked her during correspodance either went unanswered completely or were vague " my father is some kind of businessman". Now that I am corresponding with my real lady I found out behappy really did not know much about her. Is your lady signing off letters " hugs and kisses?" Probably the same translator. Determine for yourself what is going on and if I am wrong good for you. DO NOT TRUST AND VERIFY!


Posted by: BradIL

GREG--- I don't think you are wrong. O is saying she may not be available for the call.

I AM BETTING someone from Behappy read your thread and my posts. This is all happening this morning as I post here.

Good call GREG! I'm betting within a few hours she will back out of it. I have to get some sleep (I've been up all night), but I can verify a few things here through some friends.

I'll be back on the RMP Saturday night, we'll see if the phone call is even remotely possible. We'll compare notes.

BLEW THIS PUPPY WIDE OPEN, didn't you. You will have saved me some bucks in the end! Many thanx GREG . ---Brad///


Posted by: skinsfan

i read the problems that people have with agencies.... i have found that using free sites gives you greater control. usually the women have their own computers, or have access to computers....you do not have to worry about paying any money for any information. yes, scammers are on these sites as well, but you can weed these idiots out very quickly. i met my wife on the free site, and i feel as if i am the most fortunate man on the planet. i never tried a marrige agency because i know that when money is involved, bad things usually happen. life is too short to waste time and emotions with people that are only interested in obtaining your hard earned money. having been to Russia 4 times, and meeting many new Russian friends, i know that there are many legitimate Russian women looking for their man, these Russian women also are very aware of the scams in Russian marriage agencies. my opinion is to stay away from these sites. i hope this was of some help. good luck to all...... and be sure, when you finally find that special woman, it will be well worth the journey !!!


Posted by: ConnerVT

Not all agencies are bad. But you need to vet them, check them out, just as you would the women you meet through them. To just pick one off the Internet is as irresponsible as finding a doctor or home contractor from the yellow pages. Ask for references, then check them out.

Also, remember why they are in business -- to make money. Not everything they do is with your best interest at heart. Be an informed consumer, and you will be more successful.

Sorry to here about Brad's situation -- I hope it will work out.


Posted by: GreenBarb

After the First month got and Sent the kisses on the e-mail, also got the phone number and home address. All of this within four weeks. Called her at home it was her Birthday and it made her day even better. She had also revieved flowers form me as a Birthday gift and was surprised.

Remember if you are paying for a service and not getting what you paid for be it either through PayPal or a Visa Card. Remember your their customer also complain to the Credit Card Companies, they do not want people being ripped off also. They take it very seriously and sometimes even investigate these companies and take serious action against them. Even to the point of reclaiming monies already paid.

So don't ever be afraid to speak up and voice your objection. These agencies that scam are depending on you not doing anything about it and they walk away with YOUR MONEY. If enough people complain it draws attention to what they are doing and pulls them in to public view. Just remember the guy that wrote to Putin about the woman who scammed him. We all read where she ended up, prison.


Posted by: Leprechaun

I wonder how many more Unhappy behappy stories we can get on this thread.

I agree with going to the free sites, theres many scammers there and because its free theres many Russian ladies with access to a PC at home.

and im not in the mood of paying 100's of sheckles when i can get something for free just like contacting my wife was, it took 2 mails and a bit of weeding (one).

You gotta be lucky or you gotta keep *$#@?* punching in there. . .Punch!


Posted by: Leprechaun

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradIL


I AM BETTING someone from Behappy read your thread and my posts. This is all happening this morning as I post here.


Well I did mail them a few days ago to ask them to.


Posted by: GreenBarb

We will see, if the phone call goes through or the Cat dies run over by a bus full of orphans and crashes in the river and she can't make it.

There are some agencies that patrol these forums, it gives them feed back on what people are talking about and if their name is mentioned.


Posted by: GreenBarb

ConnerVT,

Your new to Russian Women and all you have heard is how beautiful they are and they use agancies on the net.
How are you to know which ones are good and which ones are the Scam merchants? Remeber you know nothing of scammers and scamming agencies. They all look the same, beautiful Russian Women who are looking for husbands.


Posted by: ConnerVT

It's not rocket science. Do a bit of research. Read posts on forums like this one. Find some people who's opinion you respect, and ask them a few questions.

That's what I did. My first contact with a RW was a scammer from Penza. Started with a bit of research on the web (Google works very well, for those who haven't tried it ).

Found a forum, and asked some respectful questions. Got some good advice. The flowers I sent couldn't be delivered. Hmmmm...

Read another man's story, and even though his experience was crash and burn, it seemed as the agency he went with really did it's best to help him out. Even the (former) owner had some great advice.

So it can be done, thinking objectively and not subjectively. Love comes from the heart, but the means of finding it doesn't need to be blind.

[BTW, if you didn't know, I met my wife in Tver]


Posted by: skinsfan

the way i see it..........if you write any woman, and speak of your family, dog, your job, or any normal conversation of who you are, and almost immediately you recieve letters of how she has finally met her second half, and that she has waited for you all of her life, and how she is falling in love with you....maybe it is time to change the station and watch a new channel. i recieved many of these letters, as we all have...i remember one girl who said her father sold his car so she could meet me.....please......remember...the beauty of the womans heart is far better than the beauty of the photo you are looking at...if in fact it is a woman at all. COMMON SENSE.....it is your best weapon.......


Posted by: BradIL

Conner... thanks for the condolences... and thanks for mentioning your skepticism with BeHappy. I noticed a few of those comments (it seems) over the last few months. Basically, I waited to see how my situation would pan out.

HERE IS WHERE WE ARE. I received excellent advice from Khashyar to firmly insist that O (a favorite I'm writing) make time for the phone call on Sunday. (I asked her to set aside time a week ago- she agreed). I sent 2 letters Saturday, 1 full of sentimental gobble-dee-gook, 1 firmly insisting she appear for the phone call. She agreed, with a big dose of faulty logic. Sez she was worried she would have to work the NEXT day, but her boss agreed to let her go at 6:30 p-m, go figure.

I tried to bait her. Since she knows she will become my wife, I let her know that she would have to dress to the nines, or else, she would embarrass me. I offered to send her money. I tried to come off as arrogant, but the interpreter did not bite(?).

She declined to take money (clever). But this new interpreter is a big Green Day fan because she let me know that I could send her posters and music. I've asked O about favorite bands previously, GREEN DAY was not a choice. (It was Jennifer Lopez, Sting, and others)

In the phone call I have a bunch of questions, and want to introduce something new. I will become a co-owner of fictitious bars and nightclubs in Cyprus and Kosovo (both areas hot for trafficking in women), and offer her a job. Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day, of course, visits the Cyprus club during his holidays there (choke-choke). She can work at the club he likes to visit. I wonder if this will prompt Yaroslav to emerge into my "relationship". Others in the RMP believe I am pushing my luck with this approach, but I have great lines ready and find it absolutely irrestible. I wonder how savvy the girls are about trafficking in women, and if they can be manipulated themselves.

After carefully reviewing my correspondence, I think I was writing O early, but somewhere in June or July she moved on, but the BeHappy interpreters kept it alive. All the correspondence changed dramatically in August with the introduction of romance at her insistence.

I am going to defend the interpreters at BeHappy a little. They are quite focused on our letters. One reason they may rotate through clients is to keep from getting too emotionally involved with any one client. They enjoy the humor, wit, and attempts to pursue them.

I once read that the Soviet KGB would recruit Russian women to engage in affairs with westerners assigned to embassies in Moscow, to cultivate these diplomats and aides for recruitment by KGB agents. It would work occassionally, except that the Russian women would fall in love with their targets. The emotional fallout was a major headache for KGB management. I wonder if there is a similar effect at BeHappy.

The post-script for me will be to try and get contact information on the 2 Tver girls I am writing, dump BeHappy, and move to Lifetime Partners-Tver, and if the girls checkout and know me, continue writing them through Lifetime Partners.

For those reading this thread... ConnerVT is correct. BeHappy2day.com is not a legitimate introduction agency. I believe they are fraudulent. Opinions backed with my experience and dollars. Caveat emptor!


Posted by: ham

i see nothing new.
i read many reports where men somewhat manage a call with the real woman, only to discover she knows nothing about them & never has. Other times the woman admits she knows of the western sucker, yet she dismisses having written this or that letter(s).
At times the woman even denied she ever was a member of any agency.
I wouldn't as well come off guard with lifetimepartners or other agencies (there are complaints about those, too ).
I suggest sending no money and paying with credit card & forget dodgy methods such as payp@l or other semi-legal stuff ( used by shady business so that you can't dispute the charge ).
At least if things go sour, here we have 90 days to query the charge and let them go after us setting an international lawsuit & "proving" anything.
Those who can't afford even an account with reputable processors such as mult!cards or 2check@ut are dodgers seeking suckers to skin alive.
So yes, i wouldn't pay a dime by payp@l or other such thing to start with.
If i'm loosing the opportunity of a lifetime, too bad...as noted, Tver or any other city has at least a dozen outfits fishing the same girls: you just find the next one in line.


Posted by: Leprechaun

Well done brad, you got a 500th post award for that last message!! well at least something good has come out of this.

And its also good to see some posters here now getting properly involved and talking some common sense.


Posted by: Jerico

Geez, if behappy went to scamming people thats to bad.
All i can say is when i was using them it had to be legit.
The girls i talked to were real ,had to be. When I went to Moscow to visit my now wife This agency was a backup in case things went bad.
They knew the situation and said they would pick me up in Moscow from the hotel I was staying at.I thought that was pretty nice.
I hinted to some of the woman in Tver that i might be in the area.
I could not believe the interest in meeting me these woman had.
Everyday they emailed me asking when i was arriving in Tver.
I never got the ( I love You kind of letters)
They just said they where looking forward to meeting me when i arrived to Tver and would show me their city.
In fact the agency left some emails asking me if I was going to be there later because the same woman were coming to the agency everyday asking if i arrived there yet.
He told me they did this because they know that the first girl you meet usually ends up hooking up with you for the duration of the trip.They want to be the first!
No way were these woman fakes.
Also before I went to Moscow the agency called my cell phone number and spoke to me about what they can offer and thanked me for being a customer.
We talked for an hour at least!!I forgot his name but he was from Canada working for the agency but was in the Tver.
He was working for the agency because he married a girl from Tver and I guess Canadians have to live with the woman for months before she can come to the country(so he said)
He was a nice guy.(wish i remembered his name)
Anyway i am not defending them at all.
I never went to Tver.
To bad if they are doing the scam thing.
I guess I am lucky I am not looking anymore
jerry


Posted by: lester

Brad, you will need to make comment in the "user reviews" section,
when there is a conclusion to all this.


http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...wcat.php?cat=74

I don't see any behappy reports in there as yet.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Also before I went to Moscow the agency called my cell phone number and spoke to me about what they can offer and thanked me for being a customer.
We talked for an hour at least!!I forgot his name but he was from Canada working for the agency but was in the Tver.
He was working for the agency because he married a girl from Tver and I guess Canadians have to live with the woman for months before she can come to the country(so he said)
He was a nice guy.(wish i remembered his name)


His name is Richard, and he is a very nice guy. He no longer is involved with Yaroslav or BeHappy. He quit working for them when things started going less than legit there. He got into more than a few arguments with management about it. It was at Richard's wedding that I met Yaroslav, and there is a picture or two of each of them here in the picture gallery.

He still lives in Tver. He and his wife decided it to stay, as they had more opportunities there than in Canada.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by lester
Brad, you will need to make comment in the "user reviews" section,when there is a conclusion to all this.
http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...wcat.php?cat=74
I don't see any behappy reports in there as yet.

Agreed, lester, thanks for the reminder. It will probably be today. The phone call is scheduled to start at 10 a-m (US Central). Depending on how smooth I am, it could last 10 minutes, it could last longer. Hopefully I can post a review before the day is out. BTW, I appreciate your sympathy in this matter.


Posted by: Leprechaun

Ïùùâ Äãñë ack poxy russian keyboard, i keep forgetting to change back to english. hehehe
(its all ahead of u!!!)

any way key translated that means

Good Luck


Posted by: lester

Я знаю чувство!


Posted by: Leprechaun

Yay our own secret language!!!!

äóûåóê øû ô èøï ïøêäû èäùãûó

crack that one lester.

LOL


Anyhowabouts
How about a dose of Reality TV....
Do you have a webcam and microphone Brad
so we can watch and listen live??

hehehe only joking,
we the public would never want to pry into the private lifes of anyone


Posted by: BradIL

In my letters to whoever-who knows... I warned her/him that I was delightfully full of mischief.

I am itching to see how the folks on the other end will react when I tell them I am a part-owner of nightclubs in Cyprus and Kosovo... and they can make big money working for me... I'll even LOAN THEM THE TRAVEL EXPENSES and they can pay them back at a leisurely pace.

Surely they have heard of the nightmares associated with these situations. Will they become nervous? Will the line go silent as they hang up? HOW WILL THEY REACT? This could be fun!!!!!


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprechaun
How about a dose of Reality TV....
Do you have a webcam and microphone Brad
so we can watch and listen live??hehehe only joking, we the public would never want to pry into the private lifes of anyone

THAT IS TEMPTING! I don't, but wish I did, because, YES(!!!) I would let you listen in and let you judge how smooth old Brad can be. I am curious about several facets about this Leprechaun. Has the same translator also worked on my letters to other girls. Can I get them confused? Can I trip them up? When I tell them I no longer dabble in beastiality... how will they react? I wish I could tap you into all this. You and your lovely wife might get a laugh out of it!


Posted by: GREGK

BRADIL- Some suggestions regarding the incoming call. I would concentrate on determining if the caller is your lady. Remember they already have your money and will probably not want to use all of the time you have paid for. Insist on obtaining home address and phone number. Request that she send you a snapshot of herself. Ask questions that she should be able to readily answer from previous correspondance. Personally if she is registered with another agency in Tver I would contact them before going any further. Lifetimepartners helped me out with my situation and were great about it. When the smoke all settles I will be surprised if this is legit. If she is registered with another agency tell "the caller" you are considering using them in the future and see what happens. Let us all know what happens!


Posted by: BradIL

Hey Greg--- thanks for the suggestions. Yeah... I checked other Tver sites and SHE IS NOT THERE! I also contacted LTP and they might try and help. Depends if I can wrestle any contact info out of "her" this morning.

I have all my previous corr., a lot of it, so I know what questions she has avoided and things I can trip her up on.

I've reviewed my letters VERY CAREFULLY and VERY CLOSELY and I AGREE WITH YOU. All the romance talk started at her insistence, I believe to generate gift purchases. Our talk is at 10 central this morning. I'll let you and everybody else in on the details. Obviously... BeHappy is headed for a negative review from me and you in the Users Review section of RMP.

Again thanks Greg... and special gratitude for starting this thread. You know... I could have wandered into this phone call never knowing what had happened to you... had you not posted your story in the first place. YOU ARE A GOOD GUY! ---Brad///


Posted by: Jason

And...???? What happened? It is past 10 a.m. central time. Did the phone call happen?

Come one man, the suspense is killing us.


Posted by: GreenBarb

BradIL, just a word of warning be careful, you could also be traced and questioned by your own Authorities about Trafficking in women. Remember some countries all takes is the slightest hint of it and you could be in trouble.

Anyway I hope you have success with your phone call and everything works out to be legit.


Posted by: lester

No response yet!
Suppose that's what we all expected!
Sorry Brad, I really am. Been there, Done that, Got the T shirt!
Life's a *****, and then you die!
We're rooting for you fella! She's out there, Keep lookin!
lester.


Posted by: GREGK

I just received a telephone call from the owner of behappy2day and discussed what happened. He has stated he will refund my $ via Western Union and was apologetic. He stated my inability to contact him was due to a mail server problem on their end. He also advised he would make inquiries at his agency regarding the impersonation of my lady. I asked him to do so without bothering my "real lady" and gave him the names of two of his staff who were obviously involved. We will see what happens!


Posted by: lester

Excellent news GREGK!

A slice of "Humble Pie" eaten!


Posted by: Leprechaun

Thats very good news, im glad sense was seen and the outcome good.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREGK
I just received a telephone call from the owner of behappy2day and discussed what happened. He has stated he will refund my $ via Western Union and was apologetic. He stated my inability to contact him was due to a mail server problem on their end. He also advised he would make inquiries at his agency regarding the impersonation of my lady. I asked him to do so without bothering my "real lady" and gave him the names of two of his staff who were obviously involved. We will see what happens!


And you believe that? PT Barnum was right.

"Yes, it wasn't my fault... Those bad interpreters did it... The mail server was down..."

He gets some bad press, and decides that giving you back a few Py is cheaper than having his secret put out there. Come in as the White Knight, and will solve all your problems for you.

I have an inside connection to their deal. Don't believe what you read, it's not all on the up and up.


Posted by: Leprechaun

Don't be so negative conner, the guy got a result, even after the amount of negativity and lack of help/support from others.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprechaun
Don't be so negative conner, the guy got a result, even after the amount of negativity and lack of help/support from others.


Sorry Lep, but you are the one wearing blinders here. Yes, he got his money back. If that's all we are speaking about, then my post is negative.

But there is more involved here. This man also lost time, experienced betrayal, emotional stress, and probably more. So is it one for the 'Win' column?

This is a forum where others will look for advice and insight. Do we give BeHappy a pass, and tell others that they're to be trusted?

I wonder how Brad is doing in his endeavor?

I know several people involved in the marriage agencies in Tver. I have met these people. I follow the soap opera there. I know who is doing what to whom. And I know who I trust, and who I don't. My advice stands as I have written, nothing I have seen changes that.


Posted by: Leprechaun

yes conner


Posted by: Leprechaun

PS the only advvice you gave in the whole of this thread was

"Sometimes it's better to take your lumps, and learn from your experience. Learn that it's best to know whom you do business with; and never gamble more money than you are willing to lose."

and you were wrong.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Uh, I think I've posted plenty of info and advice in this thread. I'll take the time to refresh your memory, as you seemed to have missed a few posts. The posts on the "Reply to Thread" page only go back so far:

Quote:
There was a time when Yaroslav was trying to run a respectable business. Not any more. Your is just another of a series of complaints I have heard over the past year about his business practices.

I did meet him about 2 years ago, at a friend's wedding in Tver. Seemed like a nice enough guy. But I guess he decided there was more money to be made from scamming letters than by running a legit service.


Quote:
Reality is for every guy who reaches into his pocket for airfare to Russia, there are probably 20 guys, sitting at home in their underwear, writing letters to non existent women. A a few bucks a letter, there is some big money to be made by those without the moral foundation to care if what they do is right or not.

No one is too worried about disgruntled clients arriving on their doorstep, or accountants checking for taxes paid.

It all comes down to knowing whom you're dealing with, be it an agency or a woman...


Quote:
Question for you: Did you look at any of the RW forums out there before doing business with BeHappy? Contact any former customers? Google search? For I know that it has been at least a year since I began hearing about the troubles people have been having with that agency...


Quote:
Not all agencies are bad. But you need to vet them, check them out, just as you would the women you meet through them. To just pick one off the Internet is as irresponsible as finding a doctor or home contractor from the yellow pages. Ask for references, then check them out.

Also, remember why they are in business -- to make money. Not everything they do is with your best interest at heart. Be an informed consumer, and you will be more successful.


Quote:
It's not rocket science. Do a bit of research. Read posts on forums like this one. Find some people who's opinion you respect, and ask them a few questions.

That's what I did. My first contact with a RW was a scammer from Penza. Started with a bit of research on the web (Google works very well, for those who haven't tried it ).

Found a forum, and asked some respectful questions. Got some good advice. The flowers I sent couldn't be delivered. Hmmmm...

Read another man's story, and even though his experience was crash and burn, it seemed as the agency he went with really did it's best to help him out. Even the (former) owner had some great advice.

So it can be done, thinking objectively and not subjectively. Love comes from the heart, but the means of finding it doesn't need to be blind.


Quote:
His name is Richard, and he is a very nice guy. He no longer is involved with Yaroslav or BeHappy. He quit working for them when things started going less than legit there. He got into more than a few arguments with management about it. It was at Richard's wedding that I met Yaroslav, and there is a picture or two of each of them here in the picture gallery.


I left my last few posts out of this reply. But I would say there was both insight and advice in what I posted. And it was from an informed position, more so than anyone who regularly frequents RMP forums.

What is curious is why you have seemed to developed an attitude about me and what I write. If you don't like what I say, well that's too bad. As a moderator, you need to keep your personal opinion out of the threads. That's why I've refused the job several times when it's been offered. Take it to PM if you wish, or open a new thread, where we can discuss it for all people to hear. I've got nothing to hide or fear.


Posted by: BradIL

HELLO ALL!!!

I tried to post Monday, and thought I did, but didn't load here. MS perfomed an illegal operation and it looks like the post was lost.

HERE IS WHERE WE ARE:

Sunday... the phone call did not happen! Scheduled to start at 10 US Central- nothing. I did not wait so I started dialing the agency. Selecting this time to call was not the brightest thing I have done. It is 7 pm in Tver... on Labor Day weekend... phone cards are cheap... is there a Russian in American NOT calling home? When I did get the US connecting number to the international line the connection could not be linked in Russia.

BeHappy sent a note saying O was unable to take the call (the complaint GREGK mentions in a prior post). ***I WAS UPSET***!!! To be blunt, I was pissed off!

I sent a furious note to Oksana's mailbox and was not charitable to Yaroslav in the note.

My previous post was to label BeHappy a scam agency.

And like GREGK--- Yaroslav called me! He and the office staff read the RMP (which is good), and he did see this thread. Yaroslav made several generous offers (I really was not interested in returned funds), and he is working to get the phone calls placed.

I am continuing with BeHappy for now. Although I want to join Lifetime Partners in Tver for a year and use both services for a little while.

Yaroslav was concerned about the critical posts, and wanted to know what he could do. He seemed genuine to me (concerned-helpful-tolerant of my hot-headed comments), although Conner your posts are words to the wise. I am delighted to see that GREGK also heard from Yaroslav.

I want the phone calls and I'll decide how I'll proceed after that.

I AM ***NEUTRAL*** about BeHappy! But I am VERY PLEASED that Yaroslav did respond, to be fair, he deserves credit for that. And his concern was genuine. (His English is excellent BTW!)

For those in disbelief... I prefer the writing aspect of this more than anything. It imposes a discipline on my thoughts and requires me to develop perspective and reflect on what I say and what I am told. Perhaps my approach has to be adjusted, we'll see. I am interested in all of your thoughts.


Posted by: GreenBarb

I think the most important thing here that you seem to be missing is the THERE WAS A RESULT, maybe not to your satisfaction but a result is a RESULT.

If this is a scam it is better to drag it into the public view, than leave it and walk away licking you wounds and putting all down to EXPERIENCE.

We have seen what has happened by exposing the the two incidents has done.

I am delighted that the two lads got a result and hope it will not deter them from persuing thier relationships.


Posted by: Leprechaun

yes conner.

Brad thats great, Im glad behappy could solve your problem and thats very respectful of them, I hope others read this far into the thread and can see now that maybe they are a reputable company to use, with a manager that takes note of customer disputes.

I think theres a lot of people here who deserve a pat on the back for beliveing a wee difference can be made by the power of the Pen/keyboard and the RMP, i hope you guys find your princess, she is out there waiting for your letters.


Posted by: ham

Quote:
He gets some bad press, and decides that giving you back a few Py is cheaper than having his secret put out there. Come in as the White Knight, and will solve all your problems for you.


i don't get it
1 one is almost certain there is an impersonation game going on...at least something is fishy
2 repeated calls abort for one reason or another
3 it's a victory because someone blowed a bit of smoke, and promised a refund ( by the way...still things to come which may never come )
Yes of course they fear suckers may steer clear of their business if bad press is too bad.

i'd dump them like an hot rock just for the hassle, unless i have morbid interests in psychotheraphy & profiling.


Posted by: ConnerVT

Yaroslav is very good at hanging noodles from one's ears.

Better than Lep, who's "yes conner" replies are very condonscending. I'm still waiting for him to address my concerns, either in public or private...


Posted by: GreenBarb

You claim to know more about what is happening in TVER , but still have not stated what?
If you have information tell us, rather than allude to it. As they say " A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse."

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnerVT
I know who is doing what to whom. And I know who I trust, and who I don't.


You keep dancing around the issue and saying the result is Hogwash. That it is only to pacify people here and make this guy Yaroslav look good.


Posted by: Jim_FL

Barb,
It's a bit of a sticky situation, and since I know at least one of the people Conner knows, I find his posts a bit less cryptic than the rest of you do

Actually, I talked to Brad about BeHappy because I was under the mistaken impression that someone I trust fairly highly, was still working with BeHappy. It turns out they are not, and I wish I'd have known that at the time ( this thread might not exist right now )


Posted by: Leprechaun

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_FL
( this thread might not exist right now )


You just gave advice, you didnt make him join, so dont feel any guilt =o) and the thread was started by Greg so there was no part played by you.
I hope to see the thread grow with more reviews over time good or bad regardless.

Knowledge is king.


Posted by: GreenBarb

Jim_FL, it still does not answer my question. If ConnerVT knows something then he should come out and say it and stop all this "I know something you don't know" carry on or else keep quiet. It does no good to otherwise.


Posted by: GreenBarb

I notice Yaroslav is a New MEMBER of the forum. Do you think we will hear an explanation from him as to what happened?


Posted by: GREGK

I received my refund yesterday. Still waiting for an explanation of why this happened and what will be done to correct the situation. This can't be blamed on just the translators since I received correspondance from two members of the behappy staff regarding scheduled phone calls- lapses in correspondance which were explained by the staff as " my lady" being ill. It would be helpful if the owner of behappy would explain HERE and not use me as a conduit. Either he does not know what is going on in his own business or he does know and in this instance got caught. It appears from reading previous testimonials that at least one of the staff involved in duping me has been there for quite some time! I gave him the names on the telephone. What is being done?


Posted by: ConnerVT

I'm sorry if what I write seems "cryptic," but it's not proper to repeat what other people tell you in private and quote your sources. But there has been much discussion about BeHappy and their operating practices on other forums that is available information. If you think I have been defending either BeHappy or Yaroslav, you are greatly mistaken. I would not recommend this business to anyone.

I could pull up the individual threads, or you can just click here and search and read for yourself. You will find very few people supporting BeHappy, several whom are very displeased with them, and a consensus that they should be avoided. This should be a concern of anyone considering using them to assist in their search.

The big issue is one of trust. This is the basis of any long term relationship. It is also more difficult to build when the method of your communication (the "agency") is suspect. How do you know who to believe?

Ideally, an "Introduction Agency" should do only that -- introduce people. But it has become convenient to allow them to do more. Be the conduit of communication, interpret letters, send and receive email for you, hold your hand for your travels, and speak to your woman (through an interpreter) even when you are sitting next to one another, holding hands. If you are giving someone this much power in your relationship, you need to be able to trust them 100%. How can you learn to trust a person who may become your future wife, if you can not feel certain that the letter you received was even written with her knowledge (no less by her herself)?

I know that neither Greg nor Brad feel 100% confident with BeHappy at the moment. And a broken trust is not easily mended. Even if these men find new venues to continue their dialogs with the women they had met through BeHappy, there may always be questions in their minds.

And it also works the other way. What things have been told to these women (or not told) that were in email that Greg or Brad sent to them? The women have an even larger burden of trust to carry, as they are the ones leaving everything behind to go some place unknown, relying on someone else to help them.

So what do I "know"? That people whom I have met in person, and whom have opinions that I trust and respect have stated that BeHappy generates fictitious letters to make money. That people who have complained about it to the agency have been given excuses (but not proof) explaining that things have been corrected. That this has been a pattern of events that have been going on for well over one year's time.

With so many choices out there, is this where you want to take your chances?


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenBarb
BradIL, just a word of warning be careful, you could also be traced and questioned by your own Authorities about Trafficking in women. Remember some countries all takes is the slightest hint of it and you could be in trouble. Anyway I hope you have success with your phone call and everything works out to be legit.

GreenBarb... I did not want this post to pass without saying "thanks". My temper can flare (usually briefly) and I can say things that I regret later. So it is with 'pitching' jobs in Cyprus and Kosovo. I believe the law may attempt to define remarks like mine as an "inducement", which could be misinterpreted. As the U-S FBI has a carnivore program to search for certain keywords on websites worldwide... THIS POST COULD END UP ON A LIST! That would not be good! I retract those remarks of job offers in Cyprus and Kosovo (at the behest of your good advice), and REGRET I EVER MADE THEM! I am not certain of the constitutionality of attempts to ban such remarks, but I don't want to spend $50,000 to find out!

THANKS FOR THE ADVICE... I appreciate it GreenBarb . ---Brad///


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnerVT
What things have been told to these women (or not told) that were in email that Greg or Brad sent to them? The women have an even larger burden of trust to carry, as they are the ones leaving everything behind to go some place unknown, relying on someone else to help them.

Conner... THIS IS AN EXCELLENT POINT! I will plead to being an idiot, but I want to know, with some certainty, PRECISELY one point you have raised in your post.

WHAT HAVE THE GIRLS BEEN TOLD ABOUT MY E-MAILS!!! I am trying to find that out. I want to know if O wrote the romantic e-mails herself. I don't give a damn about women having their pictures taken holding a sign with my name on it, or much anything else.

I want the PHONE CALLS I PAID FOR so I can settle all this in my own mind.
And, you know, if it wasn't the girls responding... ***WHO WAS***... I want to meet her because I think I could "light her up". I just want a straight answer.

You know... you and JimFL, hell even GREGK, can take me to task for continuing to write thru BeHappy. I am asking the girls very direct questions, and I want to see what answers I get.

Admonished or not, idiot or not, I want to say here that I appreciate ***DEEPLY*** the advice and support from you and JimFL, and Leprechaun. You don't have to do this, and I do value it. You have my gratitude, I hope you're assured of that. You are all great guys! ---Brad///


Posted by: BradIL

Incidentally Conner...

BULLSEYE ConnerVT!
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Originally Posted by ConnerVT writes:
I know that neither Greg nor Brad feel 100% confident with BeHappy at the moment. And a broken trust is not easily mended. Even if these men find new venues to continue their dialogs with the women they had met through BeHappy, there may always be questions in their minds.

Those are ***EXACTLY*** my feelings about this. I won't know anything until I travel to Tver. I hoped all the writing could at least establish a framework to take some of the discomfort out of the meetings/dates the girls might have when meeting me.

Ironically, I am NOW THE ONE who will be filled with discomfort when I meet the girls I have written. My reflexive action is to withdraw-be very reserved... but to stifle my personality defeats every reason for meeting the girls. I am going to have reflect on this. Maybe I should dump out of ALL my previous correspondence and START OVER! Any thoughts about this ConnerVT?


Posted by: ham

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emarks like mine as an "inducement", which could be misinterpreted. As the U-S FBI has a carnivore program to search for certain keywords on websites worldwide... THIS POST COULD END UP ON A LIST! That would not be good! I retract those remarks of job offers in Cyprus and Kosovo (at the behest of your good advice), and REGRET I EVER MADE THEM! I am not certain of the constitutionality of attempts to ban such remarks, but I don't want to spend $50,000 to find out!


i think they have better to do than going after people chatting on a forum.
besides, use a non USA anonymous proxy & let the FBI figure out with the guys in Uganda who is who.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
i think they have better to do than going after people chatting on a forum.besides, use a non USA anonymous proxy & let the FBI figure out with the guys in Uganda who is who.

ham--- I would agree... EXCEPT... it seems every indictment I've read... SOMEWHERE... includes the criminal charge of MAIL FRAUD. It has to be a criminal act with one of the most pernicious definitions ever conceived by a group of legislators in the history of humanity!

I LUUUVVVED the non-US proxy. Uganda... yeah that would be funny!

Understand this is from a guy who found it hilarious to send a "you have been awarded a scholarship" to a fellow student during my college days... from a real business... signed by a real employee at the real business... who had just died! Funny... until the lawyers started nosing around.


Posted by: ham

if they had to jail every person behind any misleading, fake, overboard or illegal-sounding claim over the internet, 90% of internet users should be in jail by now.
Hell, it's the same as those clowns claiming online they're millionaires or along that way.
however, using anonymous proxies is the best practice...
when they find out it's an anonymous proxy in some remote country, either they spend tens of thousands + trying to find out, or they give up...same with lawyers...they need their fat $100 or 200 an hour, not wasting time with a guy in Pakistan, then who knows.
Second, there are brothels & strip clubs world wide that employ eastern bunnies, and they are legal operations until proven guilty.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
Second, there are brothels & strip clubs world wide that employ eastern bunnies, and they are legal operations until proven guilty.

ham... I agree with everything you say. Remember one thing though, bureaucracies have to demonstrate they are working in order TO BE FUNDED! That's the name of the game. Regarding strips clubs/brothels... yes... we have them here in St. Louis. Its just that the ones around the world are not under the jurisdiction of the U-S Federal Government, or the States of Missouri and Illinois. Different bureaucracies work in different ways.


Posted by: BradIL

Well in the ongoing saga of this thread, I can open this post with a big smile!

Yaroslav Farehtidinov, O, and the folks at BeHappy, have made Brad happy!

Today, I check my e-mail and here is a message from the BeHappy folks. O will talk to me Sunday at 11 Central (8 p-m Moscow time), and along with that announcement are some photos of O with signs saying "Hi Brad", "Its O", "I wrote you". WHAT A SURPRISE!!! O sent me a letter saying all the romance talk came from her and no one else.

And the photos are O--- no doubt about it! If they are not her, its the best altered photographs/doctored snapshots in HUMAN HISTORY. O took time on Saturday to have the photos snapped--- much to my delight! I gotta say Yaroslav REALLY RESPONDED well with all this.

O was curious what all the fuss was about. I told her about the thread, GREGK's concerns, etc. It didn't help that I jumped through several hoops just to get the funds to Tver to get the phone call arranged, etc. I was glad GREGK opened the thread, but it didn't help my attitude in the least, especially when problems occurred.

Well... here is where Brad is... I have a long night of work ahead of me. But within about 4 hours of getting home, I will talk to O for the first time (and I am excited about it). We've been writing for several months, with a lot of sentiment recently, and a resolved crisis, SO THIS SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING PHONE CALL!

And hopefully I can close my involvement in this thread with a report of a happy conversation with her. O is bright... pretty... clever... and I can make her laugh. At least she'll get to hear how DESPERATELY BAD my Russian sounds. We'll see. I will let you know how it all went as soon as I can. ---Brad///


Posted by: Leprechaun

BRILL BRILL BRILL BRILL,

Your toes will curl when you hear that sweet accent.

Go get some russian practice, just a few words. Irina loved it when I tried to speak russian, however deperatly worse than yours, she was proud and pleased that I trying and was doing it for her.
we just giggled like teenagers.

Keep the call totally positive, breathe deeply =o)

Go get your Princess Brad.
Youve fought hard inside yourself.
Go get her.


Posted by: Rvrwind

Seeing as my name was dragged out in this thread & I am not or wasn't a member of this board I decided I better clarify a few things & set some people straight right off the bat before the assumptions start running rampant. Therefore, I have signed up.

First of all I have been a member on RWG for a long time & on RWD & am well known & respected by those who have met me & those who have communicated with me. I don't lie, cheat or steal & am well known for putting it in your face & letting you deal with it. Sometimes the truth hurts & I have been known to wield an impressive clue bat!!

So let’s get to the nitty gritty shall we...

Yes, I used to work for BeHappy, about a little over two years ago or so. No, I do not work there & havn't for at least two years. Yes, Yaroslav attended my wedding, at one time we were very good friends, however my morals would not allow me to continue in that vein & so I know longer work there & have not even talked to him since my leaving.

When BeHappy first opened, I had great hopes for the Agency, Yaroslav being Russian & able to communicate with the women & the staff in their native language in my mind was a real asset & put him way ahead of the competition. That being said, as I spent more time in Russia & started to learn the language & made friends with some of the interpreters & ladies in the program, things took a dramatic turn. This was due to him affiliating himself with AnastasiaWeb, who themselves have a bad reputation for operating in the shadows in many areas. I expressed my concerns to Yaroslav, but unfortunately, the almighty dollar won out over common sense & it has been a downhill slide ever since.

I won't venture to say that all the letters are phony or that none of the girls are real, some are, just enough to legitimize things. I have been in this business a long time & I was starting to see things I didn't like & so when offered a position at LTP decided to take advantage of it & left BeHappy. After my leaving well there was nobody to keep him in check as the American he claims to have working there thinks along the same lines as him & they manage to keep it just legitimate enough to stay in business. Ever wonder why you never see this Americans picture on the website or see it in print on the website, perhaps he isn’t so proud to be associated with the company either. I however know his reasons for being there but won't go into that. We used to be good friends but his morals are just not on the same level as mine which has caused our friendship to deteriorate drastically.

You also should know that I have proof of all that I will reveal in this thread, I do not divulge these things lightly nor do I participate in hearsay. I have been told on a couple of occasions to stay out of it & keep my mouth shut. However as I have been dragged into this, not only on this board but others I can no longer do that. As my silence makes people think that I am the same as them & nothing could be farther from the truth.

You should also know that many of the ladies in his program do not like the way he does buisness either and have tried to get their profiles removed to know avail. Some don't even bother to answer letters anymore, therefore the reasoning for writing letters for them. Then when a guy does come to town he or his American counterpart tell the guy she isn't available or doesn't want to see him & start setting him up with lots of dates with other beautiful women. Their thinkin' is the guy will meet so many hot chicks he will soon forget about the one he was writing to for 6 months, their words, not mine. Surprisingly it works quite well, as I have personally seen it. The guy never makes a complaint or reports to a black list because he met so many beautiful women that he forgot why he originally came in the first place or just no longer cares.

I have interpreters working for me & ladies joining my program that will gladly back up anything I say here as they used to work for both companies just as I did & left for the same reasons I did, dishonest business practices amongst other reasons.

If I was to tell you some of the things & statements made by the current BeHappy staff, I'm sure you would avoid them like the plague, no matter how beautiful the women. But that would be too long to put in a thread of this nature.

You also must understand that he is a Russian man, he can talk to the women in the program & manipulate them into doing things that I dare say some that I know personally regret doing. He can get your lady to say she received all those letters & wrote all those letters just to cover his ass & you will be none the wiser. I have seen how he can turn a bad situation around & come out smelling like a rose while laying all the blame on others. Nothing happens in that office without him knowing & I do mean NOTHING!! So when he says he will talk to his staff & get to the truth, even that is not the truth. He knows exactly what goes on there & anybody who doesn’t do it his way will feel his wrath & quite likely be looking for another job. He has spies spying on his spies. A craftier businessman I have never met.

He has last I heard 40 interpreters working for him. I know for a fact that there is no way in hell that they are interpreting that many letters from women. I know how these women write letters & the frequency in which they submit them & unless his office is an exception to all I’ve seen there is definitely more than meets the eye. Most work from home, just like most of mine do, that’s why you don’t see many that many in the office, just for you guys who are going to say ‘no way he can fit that many in that little office’.

There are only 2 people working in my office but I have 10 employees, see how it works?

Now onto the competition, LTP. I worked for them but was forced to leave because of a personal problem the incumbent manager had with the fact that I used to work for BeHappy. Her own personal hang-up, not mine, however the fact that she was the owners ex-mother-in-law put me at a disadvantage from the get go & I should have realized it. The last straw was when she physically attacked me in front of the staff & a client. Even then the owners chose to alienate me instead of her while still writing me to tell me I did nothing wrong but that’s just the way it is. I should have known better to expect more from an American owned company.

What about Tver Romance. This company I had such great hopes for as well. I never worked for them but do know the owners reasonably well. They too have been caught red handed writing phony letters & in the midst of another deal that went sour because of their greed which the latter I will not expand on as I am presently dealing with the recipient of that farce & wish not to divulge the name or circumstances.

This leaves very little option for guys coming to Tver & is why for the past year I have been helping guys on the side as much as I can. Some I can help, some unfortunately I cannot. I have also just recently found myself to be in a position to offer an option due to the fact that another deal I was working on collapsed.

I’ll say no more at this time because I did tell some others that I was going to stay out of this conflict and this business but unfortunately I have too much invested & have no choice at this point but to change things. Come the beginning of October there will be an honest & reasonably priced alternative to what is available now.

Nuff Said


Posted by: Leprechaun

RVR, firstly, welcome to the RMP, thank you for taking the time to join and to write and clarify at length here and to give our members that maybe would not frequent the other RW forums a further insight into this whole affair.

The whole rip-off scenario of western men seeking RW is something that I'm sure all us of want to see finished with. I/we know it will never happen but I'm not going to tolerate it and anything we can do we should do to limit the emotional/financial harm it can, will and does do to men daily.

I don't remember your name being dragged up, maybe a reference? correct me if I'm wrong at that. plz. Your story is an important part to the greater scale of whats underlining this thread & issue. Thanks.

I actually had never heard anything about Tver before this thread even existed.

Stick around, there's many guys that need guys like you here, wield that impressive clue bat but be careful you don't hit the wrong people, RMP is more of an umbrella organisation, than a boxing ring, we have a slight bit more compassion, we are tactful for each others feelings that other boards don't cater for.

All in all what an entrance, what an excellently worded, thought out, knowledgeable and though provoking first post.

Thanks!!!!


Posted by: Rvrwind

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I don't remember your name being dragged up, maybe a reference? correct me if I'm wrong at that. plz.

Okay I'll do that very thing Mr. Leprechaun, as I can see you are deffinitly not familiar with my presence here or elswherehttp://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...ilies/smile.gif I am Richard who was mentioned a couple of times in this thread by ConnorVT. Although Fred is a good friend he was not privy to all the facts surrounding my leaving BEHappy & LTP. I felt that the way he explained it left too many questions unanswered & would allow too many imaginations to run rampant & lump me in with the riff raff & I could not allow that.
As I am in the process of building an alternative to the agencies now offered here in Tver I need to keep my reputation clean & leave no room for possible wild accusations at a later date.
No harm no foul.
Even Jim Fl who is a long time member on another board in which we are both long time members was under the impression that I still worked for BeHappy.
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Barb,
It's a bit of a sticky situation, and since I know at least one of the people Conner knows, I find his posts a bit less cryptic than the rest of you do http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...milies/wink.gif

Actually, I talked to Brad about BeHappy because I was under the mistaken impression that someone I trust fairly highly, was still working with BeHappy. It turns out they are not, and I wish I'd have known that at the time ( this thread might not exist right now http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...es/rolleyes.gif )

It was this post that got me thinkin' that I had better clear this up now before it goes too far & that is what prompted me to join your forum & clear up the decending fog.
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The whole rip-off scenario of western men seeking RW is something that I'm sure all us of want to see finished with. I/we know it will never happen but I'm not going to tolerate it and anything we can do we should do to limit the emotional/financial harm it can, will and does do to men daily.

My thoughts exactly & I am only doing what little I can in my little part of Russia to make it happen. Too many bad agencies have made it very hard for the good ones. Tver used to be one of the most popular spots to come, being between Moscow & SPB it was very accessable to both these major centers. It was great for the guys, they could come here meet a lady & take them to either of the two capitals for a little vacation.
However in the past year or so its reputation has declined because of certain unsavory practices & that is unfortunate. There are still a great deal of good looking & serious ladies here looking for a decent man & I plan to give the same option to them as I plan on giving the men.
Fair & honest & everything above board with no deception. That is my promise to both the men & the women.
By the way, I very seldom have need for my clue bat these days, too damn busy doing other things.http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...ilies/smile.gif


Posted by: BradIL

HELLO EVERYBODY!!! Brad has completed his 1st phone call to Tver.

And the results. . . .



The smiles tell the story! The phone call was ***FANTASTIC***!!!

It was O--- NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

We were both nervous and talking a mile-a-minute... BUT IT HAS LEFT ME WITH A SENSE OF EUPHORIA!!!

***NO SCAM HERE***! Everything was legitimate and above-board.

WELL DONE YAROSLAV! You get thanks from Brad, for sure!

Understand that my emotions are soaring, but it was a delightful call.

Gents... IF YOU ARE LUCKY OR PERSUASIVE... and you use BeHappy... take my advice and try to get ***YAFFA*** as an interpreter. Yaffa's English is wonderful, and she handled the translation between a nervous American and a nervous Russian FLAWLESSLY. She has translated all my letters since O and I started writing, and that makes Brad a fortunate man. She is one of the best things about the BeHappy agency... they are lucky to have her working there!

I guess you want to know about O? Her voice is BEAUTIFUL! She is more than I could have expected... and besides being incredibly intelligent... pretty... clever and a graceful woman... she's very talented.

Anyone visiting Tver should always keep their eyes up in the sky... you just might see O soaring above you. Its a clue to who she is.

I hope we have a 2nd phone call soon. ---Brad who is happy with BeHappy///


Posted by: ham

RWG is famous for those feuds between agency owners. I remember a long time ago the "doctor" had a feud with some former salesperson he said was kicked out because he was a pervert, surfing porn at work & other ad hominem. Perhaps the ex employee had started his own operation & retaliated with more mud slung at the "doctor". Months later both were pimping business hand in hand. Another time there were feuds with individuals having at least 2-3 aliases. I think it's all like wrestling: fake charades to boost business ( check the Hulk Hogan/Mac Mahon circus events ).
Plus they used to have a platoon of "eminent members" who (by their admission) were shills or salespeople for one or more agencies...disinterested to its best.
Once some (supposed: after all we're on the WWW ) disgruntled customer would surface, if complaints were directed against "inner circle" agencies, it would usually end with the claimant being ridiculed and usually a few aliases would back the thesis up he was a perverted sicko, a cellphone stealer or a sex tourist.

in the end it looks like we're talking about just another agency that does whatever it takes to survive, having probably no money enough to run big-time-forums or paid "advice columns".


Posted by: ham

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***NO SCAM HERE***! Everything was legitimate and above-board.


i hope for you it always stays that way


Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rvrwind
I am Richard who was mentioned a couple of times in this thread by ConnorVT. Although Fred is a good friend he was not privy to all the facts surrounding my leaving BEHappy & LTP. I felt that the way he explained it left too many questions unanswered & would allow too many imaginations to run rampant & lump me in with the riff raff & I could not allow that.


As I'm sure you know, that wasn't my goal, Richard. I was more concerned about protecting some good people in Russia, as well as to avoid finding myself in one of those agency owner <--> Forum lawsuits that seem to pop up during these topics. I don't have all the first hand facts, but have heard enough second hand to determine whom to trust, and whom not to trust.

Richard, you know you have my trust. And I'm glad that you are now here to say the things that I was hesitant to put out in writing on the Cyberspace bathroom wall.


Posted by: GREGK

I truly hope everything works out for Brad at behappy. At this point I am still understandingly pessimistic about them. I still know what happened to me! By the way I am not a pervert, cellphone thief, or potential sex tourist. I did not start this thread to stir up a feud between agencies and I have no agenda other than to try and save others the hassle, embarrassment, and waste of time I was subjected to. Yes, I got my money back but I also spent four months sharing my thoughts, dreams, and feelings with a stranger or strangers. Who knows who read and responded to my letters? How much do you pay someone for violating their trust and causing them to feel humiliated? The last time I checked simple decency and fairplay couldn't be obtained at Western Union with a 10 digit code. By the way Yaroslav, you can cancel my account and its' 16 remaining email credits. I can't imagine what I would use them for.


Posted by: ham

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREGK
I truly hope everything works out for Brad at behappy. At this point I am still understandingly pessimistic about them. I still know what happened to me! By the way I am not a pervert, cellphone thief, or potential sex tourist. I did not start this thread to stir up a feud between agencies and I have no agenda other than to try and save others the hassle, embarrassment, and waste of time I was subjected to. Yes, I got my money back but I also spent four months sharing my thoughts, dreams, and feelings with a stranger or strangers. Who knows who read and responded to my letters? How much do you pay someone for violating their trust and causing them to feel humiliated? The last time I checked simple decency and fairplay couldn't be obtained at Western Union with a 10 digit code. By the way Yaroslav, you can cancel my account and its' 16 remaining email credits. I can't imagine what I would use them for.


well, any sleazy agency owner can arrange fake meetings or fake phone calls and unless you met the intended & know her first hand, a $10 voice changer can turn me into a marriage minded pretty woman.
Besides, there are enough real pretty "interpreters" or else FSUWs who would gladly play that part for $10, $20 or whatever you pay for buying a big mac meal.
Things on that other forum used to go that way.
Once an "inner circle" agency (owner) with license to troll & practice charachter assassination stops paying ( i guess that's the only reason ), he either gets banned or every "dirty secret" of his business (previously dismissed as "axes to grind" ) is revealed.
I asked once how do they make sure their women are real, and all i got back were fluffy words, silence & a charachter assassination attempt for i was some sort of sick boy or else.
bleah!


Posted by: Rvrwind

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I asked once how do they make sure their women are real, and all i got back were fluffy words, silence & a charachter assassination attempt for i was some sort of sick boy or else.

Ask me the same question & I'll tell you plain & simple.
Because I live in Russia & I run my buisness, I don't leave it to others & I interview ever lady who signs up personally & if I don't like her answer ie:I think she may be in it for the wrong reasons I won't sign her up.
We are just starting & havn't even finished our website yet. We just recieved our registration allowing us to open for buisness.
When a lady joins our program it is not under fraudulent pretenses of a modelling agency or a free picture shoot with a professional photog that doctors the photo's to make the women look flawless.
We explain to them how the program works & their responsibility within' it & our responsibility to them. They are also given a small pamphlet in Russian to remind them of these points.
We are placing ourselves a cut above the other agencies who recruit lots more women perhaps, but as one recent client of LTP pointed out, every one he dated didn't know why she was meeting him, she came in for a free photo shoot & now she is meeting foreigners. That won't happen here, they all know exactly why they are here.
We also have a policy that the women must answer every letter, even if it only to say 'no thank you'. They must also submit all letters in writing to us bearing their signature, we will not accept dictated letters over the phone. We keep their typed or hand written copies in our files should the question ever come up as to who wrote the letter, well I can prove who wrote it.
This agency wants to fight with nobody. I know exactly who my compitition is, their tactics & how they operate & what they are capable of.
Even with all that I am risking thousands of my $'s to give you guys exactly what you have been asking for, an honest, open, above board agency with reasonable prices.
I can do no more or no less, it just isn't in my charachter & is not part of my make up. I am well know personally by many on other boards and by reputation as a standup guy & I intend to keep that image till the day I die & will not tarnish it for the sake of a few $'s.


Posted by: ham

if what you say it's true ( you know...the internet & all ), then i can just say: go ahead.