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e-claims to fame VS US census & US income
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Posted by: ham

If you ask e-people ( even strangers in general ) how wealthy, educated, etc etc they are, odds are they would overexaggerate positive traits & downsize negative ones.
You don't have to believe ME...read around...
Suppose 50% men are online and the 10% specifically looking for foreign women ( still less looking for FSUWs as you have asians, latinas, etc ).
So you have a 5% men or less seeking FSUWs.
Now how many times have you read outrageous claims about income, etc.
COUNTLESS.

2003 US median, inflation adjusted income

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ.../04000US013.htm
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ.../04000US063.htm
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ.../04000US163.htm
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ...2003/ACS/MD.htm

ALABAMA: 19003$
CALIFORNIA: 24420$
IDAHO: 18809$
MARYLAND: 28882$

THE USA AS A WHOLE:

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ...10/01000US3.htm
23110$

WE'RE LIGHT YEARS FROM THE SIXFIGURES CLOWNS LIKE TO BRAG ABOUT.

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The answer is not asking Joe Bob: hey do you REALLY have six figures income tax free?
You bet he'll lie even more & come up with even bigger news about himself ( the internet are lines on a pc screen ).

The Answer is -for example- having a look at US census (they give loads of brackets & categories ), so umm...Joe Bob comes from New Mexico...
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produ...2003/ACS/NM.htm

He says he's self employed, and self employed people in NM are 8,42%.
So you've gotten one of those 5% of men looking for FSUWs, who's self employed: 8,42% of the 5% men in general ( i don't even divide by 2 to keep women into account )
That is 0,41% men...
So you've a first indicator of how likely you are to have found a real person.

Then he says he makes 6 figures income...assuming you don't know the exact figure, they are about 11% in NM, hence 11% of the 5% is 0,55% (= you likelihood to meet such a person ).

He said he's a triple Ph.D.
Well, people with a graduate degree are only 10% ( any degree, mind you ), so make your own stats.

He says he lives (whether on rent or mortgage ) in a 300.000$ home...well, only 5% people are like that. Again, 5% of 5%.

Well, it seems the likelihood for a FSUWs to meet a six figures income, Ph.D educated, 300k home resident, self employed man from New Mexico boils down to zero dot figures.

This is not the cynical Ham wanting to be right, this is the US census.
I admit some figures may vary slightly, but...

Now compound with the fact only under 5% men will ever visit the FSU, and compare with how many e-personae type outrageous claims about themselves...
They sure do not reflect the zero dot reality.
In my opinion, at least 50%+ men make unrealistic claims.
Oh yes...perhaps you're lucky to have found a neurosurgeon or a fortune 100 CEO...talk about needles in a haystack.

Estimates from above indicate that "sixfigures" men in NM ( one example ) are a real 0,55% for FSUWs and a real 1,85% ( all 75000$+ people ) in Hawaii.

Now this presupposes everybody follows up, while we know only 5% would actually visit.
Even if estimates are wrong, and this 5% is really 10 or 20%, 20% of 1,85% (HI) is 0,37...again a zero dot likelihood for a "rich" state like Hawaii...

With such percentages, it's easy to see most (not just many ) e-men convey a distorted image of themselves.
Check on forums & you'll see that braggarts don't account for zero dot of the audience, but in many cases ( RWG, PL etc ) they are the overwhelming majority.
Dozens of people boast dozen of travels...that's not a convention of arab sheiks, though.
Sure, we can speculate that US census is wrong...somewhat...or that western men seeking FSUWs are more than just 5% of the total...raw figures are still under one percent, nonetheless.

These same braggarts expoused massively the "nuke the frogs" thesis in recent times, which tells me they're Tequila & Rambo re-runs material, rather than neurosurgery material...
Such people sounded more like "high" UPS drivers or janitors, than triple Ph.D graduates.
Once again, figures don't add up.

Posted by: Texas Proud

Ham,

You and Lola need to get together!!!

And I for one have not seen anybody on this site claiming to be a PHD making over $100,000.... etc. etc...

Most are 'normal' people.... in fact, of the ones who have said their job I see more teachers than anything... and we all know teachers are not paid a lot.

BUT, they do get paid more than in Ukraine (as your other post points out)... and I am sure that all the women that send information back to US are telling the truth ALL the time? NOPE, there are scammers... etc. etc.

And from what one woman told me when I was over there.... "I do not care if they do not make much money or live in a small town as long as we love each other"....

So, unless they are gold diggers, the above quote is the more likely outcome.

Posted by: ham

there is a substantial difference between me & the antidate bandwagon:
1. i don't pull statements out of my a$$. One thing is an opinion: i can think there is intelligent life on Jupiter. Another is trying to get the point across, where you need sources reliable enough. If US census is not reliable enough (= i didn't say 115% reliable ), then who is?
Joe Bob and his bombastic www claims?

2. I was not referring to THIS forum. However, a post like this back in 2001 got me much fire from (supposedly) men who all were top notch employed. A clown claimed to be nuclear & robotics engineer...go figure. It's enough to browse some forums (RWG, PL etc ) to find platoons of people posing as super-wealthy, super-travelled or else.
Most even push the manifesto MOB seekers are all 6 figures people.
Have a look at US census, compound with the fact not all men are online & not all seek FSUWs ( some sources say about 3% of overall men are seeking FSUWs ), then you get the raw % chance of meeting one online.
However, a significant portion of men on some forums ( not this one, not antiscam net ) like to portray themselves as this&that good: numbers don't add up.

3 i don't condone scamming & i don't find a "plausible enough reason" why that would be reasonable.

Posted by: Texas Proud

With no statistics to back it up.. and reading different forums etc.... I have come to the conclusion there are a number of types of people on line...

> There are the women who want to scam men and make money

> There are the women who want to 'test the waters' but do not really want to meet up with someone overseas... kind of a tease mentality

> There are the women who really want to find someone and do not care if they meet someone overseas or not... just a good man (sometimes just a man)

> The green card seekers

On the men's side...

> The guy who has a strange attitude to a relationship and wants to be IN CHARGE, and has been burned a few times here in the US ... thinks that a foreign woman will be different (but usually they are not in the long run)

> The guy that is interested in 'playing' on emails... never intending to ever go to visit much less get married... I think this is a big population

> The guy who wants to have sex (and I have seen it on this board a few times... with statements like 'well at least you will get laid'....)

> The guy who is really interested in meeting a nice woman, but for some reason has not been able to meet someone here (I am putting myself in this category)..

I am sure there are more of each and people will chime in on others.

The problem that I see in posts like this is people are lumping ALL women or ALL men in the same category, and we all know that is not helpful

Posted by: ham

i don't think i'm lumping anybody together.
i'm offering the best third party information.
Most FSUWs think (WRONGLY ) that in the west it's mostly honey & money like in sleazy 80's telepictures.
Many men pose as prince charming on the internet & contribute to spreading false information.
With US census, when a FSUW meets online a braggart from SD or NM claiming to be a sixfigures self employed neurosurgeon, US census tells her her chances to met such a man are zero dot...odds are he's overselling or lying.

Go on some forums...
a) there are men claiming they're at their 12 or even 17th tour to the FSU ( whether with an agency or on their own )
b) there are men claiming to be neurosurgeons, nuclear engineers, top lawyers & other charachters straight out of Forbes magazine or a telepicture.

ok, there are very wealthy people in the west; there are top lawyers & nuclear engineers but i sincerely doubt they lack attention from the opposite sex, whatever it means (love deals more with philosophy & psychology ); as a result i highly doubt a significant number of them is on the MOB market.

Reading some forums, however, you CAN count them by dozens: figures don't add up.

same as a few FSUWs have the wonder-woman/visa queen attitude about being da sheet, while their main achievement in life is passable English + having sailed over here on the back of a sucker (whom they despise embroiled in odd "loser theories" ) or a charity programme.

that is the exact opposite of lumping people together: that is offering advice to know who is who.

Posted by: cj2005

I do not disagree that many of the men who are players (no serious intent) do exagerate about their income. They are only after one thing...sex, and will say anything to get it. The ones who do travel as you say 12 times etc, must have to be making some money. If you figure in the cost of a flight, going through and agency, etc, then the cost of each trip would be at least $2000. Now if these people did make that many trips, then it costs them so far over $25,000. Now a person only making $30000 a year can not afford such luxuries, while a person making over $100,000 a year can. Making a $100,000 a year is not that hard for a college educated man/businessman over the age of 40 in the United States. I'm one of them, and it is not that hard to do. Stats sound great on paper, but rarely show the true colors of a certain small segment of society, such as those looking for FSUW. The broad picture is accurate, but one can not apply that to every sector of society as you are doing.

Posted by: ham

Quote:

The ones who do travel as you say 12 times etc, must have to be making some money. If you figure in the cost of a flight, going through and agency, etc, then the cost of each trip would be at least $2000.

i said CLAIM TO

like they CLAIM about their income, but it's all words on a computer screen...i could claim to be George Clooney for all you know there is a chance in the universe that's true...veeeeery unlikey, tough.

Several times individuals were caught with aliases or multiple identities. One on the old RWA forum liked to pose both as a "conservative millionaire" and an angry pennyless bum...take a guess about the real status of such a person.

Quite a few cases on PL were busted as people gone bankrupt or having never been there.

US census is accurate. If one pays
taxes, they're in there; if they don't, well too much of a trust issue involved.
It also informs you about the % of the income bracket in every state, so if a state has 1,82% of sixfigures, 17,43 or 22,11 and you compound with the INS figure about 3-4% men will ever visit and about 3-4% overall men seek FSUWs.

Let's take a "rich" state like Maryland:

all households $50000+ are 37,06%

males 15yo+ non married, widowed, divorced or separated are about 42%.

so we take 42% of the 37,6% ( presumably, all those non married males 15yo+ )=15,79% are non married males making 50000 to $200000.

Now say that 4% of unmarried males are pursuing FSUWs= 0,63%

that is the concrete raw chance for a FSUWs to meet a non married 15yo+ males from MD making $50000+.

Only about 3-4% of men involved at any point in time with the MOB process will ever visit, so the 0,63% reduces to its 4%=

0,025%

Now numbers are so irrelevant that it really doesn't matter if we multiply them & say not 4 but 14% non married men making $50k+ are interested in FSUWs and not 4 but 20% are going to visit...

Posted by: Texas Proud

Ham,

The problem you have with what you are saying is what most people have with statistics... you are using a full universe to try and explain a subset... and the subset might not have the same charateristics as the total....

But, lets go with your 'assumptions'... that means for every million residents, you have 250 (or 2,500, I can not tell your number) that meet your level...

Now the question is... are there 250 people from Maryland looking for a wife in the FSU? Maybe not... but, it does not mean that the ones that are looking are LYING...

Most 'poor' people are not even going to try and find someone overseas... they have more pressing financial issues to deal with...

So, I do not understand what you are trying to say except confuse the matter.

And I will leave with a saying that one of my bosses gave me a long time ago...

The percentage of people that went to Vietnam was very small... but if you were there it was 100% to you!!!

Posted by: ham

if citing the US census is confusion , then anything else is confusion.
I just think FSUWs should have a better understanding of lifestyle in the west.
I'm tired of reading complaints from women who claim their prince charming wasn't Donald Trump or Clint Eastwood as he had previously claimed on the internet.
Then many assume all western men are braggarts, or most are.

As well, i "met" myself countless men on the WWW who posed as millionaires, charachters out of Forbes magazine, nuclear engineers or otherwise 007-like jobs & qualities.
Numbers just don't add up, as they weren't 0,63% of the men but many, many more (on some forums, i'd say about 1 out of 5. 4 or even 3 in some instances claim to be so. 1/5 is 20%, a far cry from 0,63% (whether that is right or rather 0,8 or 1,2% ).

Now i have laughed in their faces countless times as well, yet one thing is my private opinion; another are facts.
US census is a fact, not an opinion.
Some tried to explain that away because of their "particular circumstances"...sorry but if you pay taxes out of any job, you're in there.

5,372,472 are the 2003 inhabitants of MD.
So the 0,63% makes about 34000 people (supposedly) in the FSU-MOB process as loosely involved.
or about 1350 are those supposed to visit the FSU.
Mind you that means "at some time or another" in both cases.

if that is confusion, then what's not?
Joe Bob's wild WWW claims?
To officially hold a bench press or other strenght record you must have witnesses, judges from the awarding federation and perform according to strict guidelines.
You just can't go there & claim so.
If one wants to claim on the www he's George Clooney, how can i prevent him?
I'm not going to buy it, however.

I rest my case.

Posted by: Texas Proud

Ham,

OK, I think I see what you are trying to say.. that what a lot of men say is false...

Well, duh... these are the ones that are internet romeos.. never plan to visit and do not want to meet someone...

It still does not take away the fact that there are (from your figures) a pool of 1350 men 'looking' just in Maryland that met your level of income etc that is good...

Let me say something from the other side.. without statistics, but just observations...

It is said that most Russian or Ukrainian women are beautiful... and looking at the sites it appears that way... page after page of beautiful women...

Then, I arrive in Kiev... what do I see, many women that are 'plain'... yes, you see beautiful women, but not at a significant higher level than here in Houston... at Yalta, I see on the beach many overweight women... many 'plain' women... and a few beautiful women...

But, most of the pictures are of beautiful women... so, is it that the ugly women just are putting up someone elses pictures and bragging? I do not think so... it is probably that there is a certain group that is in this process... same for men... and it is usually the middle class or upper middle class that are 'real' people looking...

But, as I said I understand your point.

Posted by: cj2005

Instead of focusing on those that just write, why don't you focus on the serious men who actually do travel to eastern Europe. What is their income? What is their age? What is their education level? You will get a much clearer picture, a more defined picture, of the type of man who has serious intentions. Your census stats do not show that, because it can not get down to that micro level of a population segment. Until you do, your theories have so many holes in them that it looks like swiss cheese. Applying generalizations on a micro level is poor research and would not stand the test of scrutiny.

Posted by: ham

Quote:

Originally posted by Texas Proud
Ham,

OK, I think I see what you are trying to say.. that what a lot of men say is false...

Well, duh... these are the ones that are internet romeos.. never plan to visit and do not want to meet someone...

It still does not take away the fact that there are (from your figures) a pool of 1350 men 'looking' just in Maryland that met your level of income etc that is good...

Let me say something from the other side.. without statistics, but just observations...

It is said that most Russian or Ukrainian women are beautiful... and looking at the sites it appears that way... page after page of beautiful women...

Then, I arrive in Kiev... what do I see, many women that are 'plain'... yes, you see beautiful women, but not at a significant higher level than here in Houston... at Yalta, I see on the beach many overweight women... many 'plain' women... and a few beautiful women...

But, most of the pictures are of beautiful women... so, is it that the ugly women just are putting up someone elses pictures and bragging? I do not think so... it is probably that there is a certain group that is in this process... same for men... and it is usually the middle class or upper middle class that are 'real' people looking...

But, as I said I understand your point.

that's the other side of the coin, yes.
1 you don't have to believe me to guess most agencies hire teasers ( paid models ),
2 never take off profiles of married women (if they are pretty & sell ok ) and
3 expose the prettiest (they can get hold of ) +
4 a studio photographer can make any plain woman look gorgeous. Our most popular makeup star here claimed if he took 100 pictures of ANY individual, he'd get at least 5% worth of a magazine cover.

Yes agencies sell a product: you won't expect an used cars salesman to display a wrecked, flat tires, 400000km 25 years old car, right?

Quote:

Instead of focusing on those that just write, why don't you focus on the serious men who actually do travel to eastern Europe. What is their income? What is their age? What is their education level? You will get a much clearer picture, a more defined picture, of the type of man who has serious intentions. Your census stats do not show that, because it can not get down to that micro level of a population segment. Until you do, your theories have so many holes in them that it looks like swiss cheese. Applying generalizations on a micro level is poor research and would not stand the test of scrutiny.

you believe what you want to believe.
if i brought you the Pope here, who said something rubbing you the wrong way, you'd say so as well.
If i brought a MIT scholar, that'd be the same.

INS tried to get studies done, but data were mostly conflicting, ex junk dating farms claimed to have arranged a number of marriages totalling a number of FSUWs the INS never knew about.

at face value however, PL abounds of people admitting to have travelled spending their life savings, hence not the affluent kind of people.