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No wonder you are getting scammed....
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Posted by: Mrdingdong

Well, I have never used any of the sites where beautiful models seek fat American men. I believe you have to be pretty stupid to believe that an average income can buy you a supermodel that is 15-30 years younger than you. NO WONDER YOU IDIOTS ARE GETTING SCAMMED!!!!
I posted a profile on date.com, a 24 year old beautiful latvian women seeking marriage, I posted it to see what kind of idiots who would reply to it. I used a picture from a model catalogue, and called the profile "pussy". Now, you would think that most idiots out there would know it was fake, but here are the facts.
I posted it for ONE WEEK ONLY, then I deleted it.
In that time i recieved:
189 "interest notes", and 111 letters.
I recieved mail and interest from all over the world, but about 90 procent were American.
Now here is the question:
What the hell happens to Americans, when they get older? Most of the Europeans who wrote were between 28 and 40, but a few of them were older.
2 from the Middle East were between 50 and 60. The ages of the Americans who wrote and showed interest were between 42 and 58!!!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with people? The funny part is, that most of them already explained in their first letter that they were financially secure and looking for luuuuuv. I almost threw up reading it. Secure? BS!!!!! A lot of the "secure" people didn´t look "secure", I mean if somebody is loaded I would expect them to LOOK loaded, or at least look like they have been showering within the last week.
Well guys, you are getting what you deserve. Stop complaining about being scammed, and start getting realistic.
If you really think models in FSU are that easy, then GO, instead of hiding behind the screen. If you can´t get them in real life, the chances are you ain´t getting them over the net either. Unless they are good actors or prostitutes.
I cannot believe how stupid some loosers are, no wonder they are laughing at you/us.
CHRIST!
I know a lot of users are going to fry me now, probably because the shoe fits. For the realistic people out there:
Sure, they DO look better in FSU, and sure they are available, but if you can´t get it at home, you are not getting it there either. I know that hurts, but unless you really ARE loaded, it is not going to happen. Be honest with yourself, I have nothing against people who marry young beautiful models as long as they are honest and stop pretending to have a marriage based on love, when it is based on an arrangement, just like marrying somebody 15 years younger in your own Country. That will not happen either, unless u are loaded.
Sorry to say, but we all know that ALL women can be bought, the problem is we men sometimes are so stupid, we truly believe it is different. It´s not.

Posted by: searcher

While I wouldn't do what you do, I do see your point....

I don't think it is necessarilly right but not that wrong either.

What you address is the problem with the internet. It is easy for human beings to act as slobs because they can remain anonymous and the is little or no reprecussions for their behavior.

... and because of that, it is easy for losers to become bold, uninhibited, etc.

I don't know what kind of or how many reactions you will get on this forum but, yes, you are correct in many ways about the expectations of some.

I don't think it is entirely a matter of being "loaded" but rather a matter of being sincere. While many young girls would not marry a man unless he does have a lot of maney, there are some that just look for a nice guy.

Again, the problem (which you have hit upon partially) is that there are many guys out there that aren't nice but expect that with all of their flaws, rude behavior, poor hygene, etc that they will find some girl who will be overjoyed to go with them because they believe [somehow] she is desperate.

Well, all i can say is that "You (they) get what you (they) look for!"

Sure, they may find someone...... some girl who will use them just as they intend to use her, be it for financial gain or a "green card".

Carpe Diem (Buyer beware)!

Posted by: Mrdingdong

Searcher,

I agree with you and thank you for understanding my point, I am sure a lot of idiots in here will give me a lot of fire for it, because their scammers are not scammers....right...
I would never look for somebody over the net myself. I like meeting women IRL, I need to look people in the eye, body language and so on, that way I know right away wether or not they are interested. I like FSU women simply because, I think they look better, are better educated and because they are more feminin. I have been there plenty of times, and although I hate to see, more and more scammers and prostitutes are hanging around fat and disgusting bums from the west. Not because they truly want the, but because they know that western men are dumb. That´s it. People get what they deserve, no doubt aout it. Some might just want "a nice guy", but wanting a nice guy doesn´t mean some fat idiot, 20 years older. In my opinion it is a myth that they want to come to the west, most of the women I know there, do NOT want to leave, and why should they? In ten years they are going to be light years ahead of us, but the typical American male is just to dumb to recognize that , because they have been brainwashed since kindergarden to believe they are superior, when in fact the rest of the world see laughs at them and think they are a joke.
I have no problem with women who want financial security, we men would do the same thing if we could, and if we didn´t always think with the wrong head.

Posted by: AngryFisherman

Talk about entering a forum with a crash and burn attitude

Mrdingdong, so why are you so concerned with these matters? I think we both agree that people will get what they deserve. There is no need to be uncivilized and scream and shout about this.

Calm down.

FisherMan

Posted by: Mrdingdong

Sorry you feel that way, I am just sick and tired of people in here trying to convince each other that FSU women are dumb models, desperate for the West. All I can say is go there. Not to a "social", but on your own. Go see if you can pick up a young model when you are 40-50 years old. Tell her you are average Joe, and see what happens. If she is interested and willing to move her life to the other side of the World, WITHOUT the typical Western male bragging about money they don´t have, then I would be very surprised. I was in Riga last week, I have relatives working for Western companies there, and they are fed up with fat and ignorant western men coming for the prostitutes. Especially the British have found out about Latvia, and anybody who has seen a pale Brit with his big beergut behaving like a pig in other Countries know what I am talking about. I am a shamed to be a part of the Western world sometimes, we are a joke. Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention.

Posted by: Mrdingdong

By the way, where in Scandinavia do live and what is your nationality?

Posted by: AngryFisherman

None taken.

I have no problems seeing your point.

In my experience the type of "relationship" you describe usually never lasts anyway. And as for people claiming that FSU women are dumb models ... boy are they in for a BIG surprise. They are some of the most resourceful women I have ever seen. I would hate to be any part of some FSU woman's "strategic" plan, if you know what I mean :-P

I have dual (Swedish and Norwegian) citizenship.

FisherMan

Posted by: searcher

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Originally posted by Mrdingdong
Searcher,

I agree with you and thank you for understanding my point, I am sure a lot of idiots in here will give me a lot of fire for it, because their scammers are not scammers....right...
I would never look for somebody over the net myself. I like meeting women IRL, I need to look people in the eye, body language and so on, that way I know right away wether or not they are interested. I like FSU women simply because, I think they look better, are better educated and because they are more feminin.

True, many women that are accused are not scammers. That has been the point that the women on the Antidate forum have been trying to make.

Often, it is men that are scammers as well (e.g.- sex tourist, etc).

Well, I did happen to find my fiance over the internet BUT I actually wasn't looking for a woman at all (I know i've said this before but you're new, so i'll talk about it again), actually i'm into firearms and was looking for firearms parts.... but more about that later...

To make a long story short, I met a woman and she seemed very nice and quite special. I made the trips to see her, etc and the more time I am with her, the more I am convinced I made the right choice.

Sure, we all need to see a persons mannerisms, body language, etc. We can't know much about a person until we've spent some time with them, right?

This is the "problem" with long distance dating. Ideally, both persons are serious in their intentions AND honest with themselves AND each other.

It can be quite complex..... but I also believe that great rewards sometimes have great risk as well.

I thought I was crazy to consider such a thing but I took a chance. I have had MANY misunderstandings but because me and my fiance are very serious about this we have been able to work through our misunderstandings and also learn something from it.

I can't say it is easy by any means.

I am not "loaded" and I didn't represent myself that way. I knew I would have to be completely honest if this were to work. My fiance could have chosen MANY other men who were "loaded" but she chose me

I guess my honesty and good intentions where most important to her after all

There are many people out there, all looking for something different and many people will find what they are looking for even if they don't really understand exactly what it is they seek.

There are users and parasites everywhere BUT there are also good people everywhere too. We can not type cast everyone from a particular group - race, country, etc - as conforming exactly to a particular stereotype and that is what many fail to understand.

I started a thread about racist who were commenting about RW and it is the same mentality. Some there talked about their "European" or "white" features and, of course, there wer quite a few who stereotyped them all as green card seekers or scammers.

It is this type of narrow minded thinking that makes them stereotype people - not only RW but people of other races and cultures as well.

Posted by: searcher

People should ask themselves this question.

Look at racist.... now, they will give you thier "statistics", etc to attempt to prove they are superior.

Fine. They can believe what they want to believe.

BUT

If they are so superior then why is it necessary to resort to violence (as many of them have).

If their arguments were so logical and profound then why is it necessary to silence their opposition by violence?

If they can no longer argue their point then they don't have any other choice.

If someone such as Martin Luther King, jr's thoughts and arguments were so incorrect then why couldn't they provide a rational argument?

If jews were so inferior then why was it necessary for Adolph Hitler to kill them?

Why could they be successful in his society when he was not?

They did it by their own efforts, by merit, and it was not necessary for them to use force but those who refuse to acknowledge their own failures AND CHANGE THEMSLEVES will only continue to fail... many of those look for a scapegoat.

I think it is the problem with American society today.

There are problems in my community (the Black community) but there are those who refuse to acknowledge this.

It is the same as with alcoholism and drugs, the first step is to admit that you have a problem.

For many, it is not until they crash and burn that they finally admit they have a problem.

I think about what Bill Cosby said about the problems in the Black community and I agree with him entirely but there are those who were angry with him for "airing the dirty laundry" but it needs to be done.

This applies to many people - racist, communities, the dysfunctional men looking for desperate girls on the internet - ALL OF THEM!

and many more.

Posted by: Khashyar

Well-said points, Searcher.

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Sorry you feel that way, I am just sick and tired of people in here trying to convince each other that FSU women are dumb models, desperate for the West.

Actually, this is the exact opposite of what this website supports. Most people here speak about Russian women with respect. I think that most of them men who visit the RMP website have received the point that Russian women are unique individual people just like any other.

However, I personally do think that if the Russian economy was as strong as the economy in the West, then there would be far fewer women moving and marrying a Westerner. This is based upon my personal experience visiting the FSU and speaking with Belarusian and Russian women.

While the kind of Western man you are describing sometimes exist, I am not sure if it is helpful to speak about them with disrespect ("fat slobs", etc...).

If there are men who are desperately seeking a woman younger than them and are not realistic in their search, then they must have some emotional/ psychological issues, and they are to be pitied and understood, rather than berated.

Part of solving a problem is through educating those who have an incorrect understanding. So, those of us who have some experience and knowledge of Russian-Western relationships should take the responsiblity to do that in a way that effectively makes a positive impact.

Khashyar

Posted by: Jerico

I have to say that all the women I met in Russia seemed sincere in their search for a man because they were lonely as no one seemed interested in them.
In America they would have no problems meeting men here but they are not in America so they try to advertise themselves over the net.
Then fat bald guys write them letters

Hehhe, J/K

I dont have a problem meeting woman here in the USA.
Simply speaking , I can not find the type of woman I want here in the USA.
Sure there are some here but I grew tired of waiting and also i do not have a lot of time to meet people.
So going to Russia was the best thing i ever did

The women there are amazing to me. So many of MY type of woman to choose from.Unreal. I try to explain this to my buddys but they will never know until they go themselves.

I have a friend at work who I talked into going over to the Ukraine to meet a woman.Now he knows what i am talking about

I did marry a Russian woman I met in Moscow (most here know this).
I did not look for a model , only a woman that I found attractive and liked me for who I am.
She did not come here for the money because I dont have any

So I am hoping she came here for love but time will tell.
There has been problems and everything is not perfect .
In time i hope things will be great like i think they will be.

I asked my wife about the age thing.
I am 38 and my wife is 27 ( she looks like she is 20)
She says that going out with a man her age is like going out with a teenager.
She always dated men 10 years or older than herself,Even in Russia.All her friends dated and married older guys.
I have seen many pictures of these guys and they are all not model looking quality guys here

Now maybe there are a lot of fat bald guys from America looking for Russian girls but the guys I know seem like there in good shape and make OK money like myself.
I have noticed that in Russia all the men there are NOT IN GOOD SHAPE

and I saw many bald guys like myself with beautiful woman.They were RUSSIAN GUYS. It seemed the norm to me (could be wrong).
Like in America , most young Russian guys dont probably have a lot of money or own much of anything. Its not their fault. It is just life ,thats all. So I dont blame a girl wanting someone who can buy her things.
Most likely the guys will be older and have had time to aquire more things and money.
If you had a choice to date some guys , would you take the good looking couch potato who did not work or the OK looking guy who owned a house and had a job and could take you to dinner and buy you presents? I think we all know the answer to this question.

Jerry

Posted by: ham

http://www.linktootherforumdeletedperRMPguidelines.com

mr.Dingdong makes above a post (under another aliases) that i cannot easily part from the same men he finger points as "loosers".
Take notice i raised such concerns (about fake income/lifestyle/identity etc claims ) on MOB forums as early as 2001.

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I am an American man 36 yo, living in Sweden for 20 years. My Cousin, who is working in Riga called me the other day and invited e over for a visit, he was babbling about how beautiful and fantastic the women were, and how desperate they seemed.
I have never had a problem getting women, and my last 5 girlfriends have been between 8 and 14 years younger than me, and they all looked like models. I am not saying that to brag, but to give u an idea of my intentions. I also have a 5 year old daughter with a Swedish woman.
I broke up with my 23 year old great looking girlfriend a couple of weeks ago, because she wanted us to move on, have a family and all that. I don´t mind that, but I don´t fall in love that easy, and I have come to the conclusion that I just love women, especially young, beautiful women, that are weel educated and sexy. Not that I don´t care for them, cause I do, and I treat them very good, but most of the time they get TOO emotionally attached, and that is just not what I am looking for. I know that makes me sound real ****ty, but I´m trying to be honest.

these are his lines.
I can't see that much difference between his claims & others', besides the leitmotiv " oh i'm cool & it's the other guy who's the real loser ".

He claims to go to the FSU to seek young hotties.

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Searcher:
we all make judgements.
people who are "too" fat, short, tall, big head, small head, whatever are laughed at.
Everybody does so: pink, violet, white, black.
Then you have chipped shoulders ( like many minority people obsessed with racism, another form of judgement otherwise meant as good & inherent to human personality ) & interested parties ( ex the thief, burglar, rapist, murderer etc who blames criminal codes on "nazis" & seeks empathy from liberals finger pointing the bible or whatever...et pour cause ).
You can't say that avoiding or laughing at person X because of their height, weight, disabilities etc is better or different from laughing or avoiding person X because of the skin color.

Silencing opposition is not just from "nazis" or else.
It's just too easy when you can't debate.
In Zimbabwe (for example) or Namibia, negro tribes routinely do so to other tribes/parties.

Posted by: Mrdingdong

Ham:
You have a serious problem, maybe you should cut down on the internet expenses and spend the money on a shrink instead.
You have to much time on your hands. Loooooooser.....
I hope you reply, because that would prove my point.
You are boring everybody in here. No wonder you got banned from other sites.

Posted by: sidney

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Loooooooser.....

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No wonder you got banned from other sites.[

You may want to watch your name calling or it may be you that gets banned.
Sid

Posted by: ham

Quote:

Originally posted by Mrdingdong
Ham:
You have a serious problem, maybe you should cut down on the internet expenses and spend the money on a shrink instead.
You have to much time on your hands. Loooooooser.....
I hope you reply, because that would prove my point.
You are boring everybody in here. No wonder you got banned from other sites.

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hahahaha!
mr. divorced internet wonder talking about headshrinkers.
I know you've first hand experience with divorce, courts, counselling and i know alimony probably takes a toll on how affordable internet is for you, but please...
oh please...
you're the living triumph of the "loser".
Sure, yea
a) you got porn flick chicks lined up to date you, yet fly a week to the FSU to get young hotties no strings attached.
b) i bet you're slim, with a full head of hair & a body to die for ( e-body )
c) i bet you make 7 figures tax free

I personally don't care about the internet much.
It's interesting but it ends there.
On the other hand, i understand you care because it's the only place where you can actually have porn flick chicks lined up to date you, a body to die for or whatever else claim to fame you come to quiescent forums to announce.

PS: i think you're just pulling our leg like the clones Claire, Victoria etc on the departed RWA forum.

Posted by: Michel.S

Remember : don't feed the troll

Posted by: Mrdingdong

Christ, what loooooooser...aren´t u supposed to be counting words? Loser.

Posted by: Khashyar

As per the forum rules and guidelines, let's all try to refrain from personal attacks and speak about these topics thoughtfully.

Thanks,

Khashyar

Posted by: ham

i don't personally put much worth on personal claims i read on the net as liars abound & i have no way to know.
I shall take it at face value for discussion's sake.
However it's laughable coming on MOB forums calling people losers, and then coming up with rubbish such as how pretty, wealthy, hung, whatever we claim to be; and of course we've lines of models 1/3 our age lined up actually buying tickets for a lay with mr.wonder internet.

If i had millions & looked like a gay cover model, you bet i would never have landed on the MOB scene: as simple as that.

Posted by: Mrdingdong

Posted by: Khashyar

O.k., guys...

Again, personal attacks are not allowed in this forum, as stated in the forum guidelines (even if you completely vehemently disagree with someone). We can disagree with intelligent and thoughtful discussions that refrain from personal attacks.

The guidelines are posted here: http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...p?&threadid=138

I am going to close this thread for new posts, because I see it going in a counterproductive direction.

Thanks for respecting the rules of this forum,

Khashyar