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RW and a Guy's Looks
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Posted by: dakotaridge

Let's see ... because of my own personal interests, I need to be very careful about how I word this. Let's say it this way: a couple months ago, a "friend of mine" decided to try an experiment. He created a completely fake profile for a man on a certain agency-type website. For this profile, he pulled some stunning (at least this is how this guy figured women were likely to consider them) photos of a male model from somewhere off the web and used them on the profile. He wanted to see how much a man's looks really affect RW. The wording in the profile was deliberately very short, saying very little. The goal was to see the response to the photos.

The conclusion is that RW are very much human. They certainly did respond. The type of response, however, was quite different than expected.

It was expected that the absolute best looking women would flock to this profile. Surprisingly, this did not happen as often as expected. The vast majority of replies that did come in were from the best looking women, but only an estimated 25% to 33% of these women initiated contact. I'll say that this was not the Anastasia Web site. There were 80 replies in a 7-week period, initiated by women.

The most surprising thing was the letters! These women opened up like you would not believe. The enthusiasm, the pure emotion, the depth and length of the letters was such a dramatic contrast from what is probably normal for most guys in an introductory letter.

Of 80 women in 7 weeks, only one truly stood out as something different. This was a 21 year old who was not excessively attractive physically, but to look at her photo you'd expect to see her in the heart of some American city, with street smarts beyond what anybody else had. She stood head and shoulders above all the rest as having a brain. Hers was the latest letter, and all it said was "It cannot be that such a handsome man needs this service!!!" The first one to really have her feet on the ground.

I have no doubt that somebody in here will forward this on to the agency and me and my fake profile will be history. Oh well.

Posted by: inlove

The whole "experiment" tells more about the charcter of your "friend", than about women's preferences when it comes to guy's appearance.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by inlove
The whole "experiment" tells more about the charcter of your "friend", than about women's preferences when it comes to guy's appearance.

Okay, now that the mandatory invalidation from Inlove is out of the way, on with the thread....

Actually I posted this to discuss the results of the experiment, not the infinite shortcomings of the person performing it. I don't care if Charles Manson performed this experiment; the results were what they were and that's what I came here to talk about.

Universities and many other institutions exhibit this same annoying trait. They incessantly publish the findings and results of their experiments, completetly missing the real point, which is to pass judgment on the endless character flaws of the people performing them. My God, what kind of world do we live in.

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
Let's see ... because of my own personal interests, I need to be very careful about how I word this. Let's say it this way: a couple months ago, a "friend of mine" decided to try an experiment. He created a completely fake profile for a man on a certain agency-type website. For this profile, he pulled some stunning (at least this is how this guy figured women were likely to consider them) photos of a male model from somewhere off the web and used them on the profile. He wanted to see how much a man's looks really affect RW. The wording in the profile was deliberately very short, saying very little. The goal was to see the response to the photos.

The conclusion is that RW are very much human. They certainly did respond. The type of response, however, was quite different than expected.

It was expected that the absolute best looking women would flock to this profile. Surprisingly, this did not happen as often as expected. The vast majority of replies that did come in were from the best looking women, but only an estimated 25% to 33% of these women initiated contact. I'll say that this was not the Anastasia Web site. There were 80 replies in a 7-week period, initiated by women.

The most surprising thing was the letters! These women opened up like you would not believe. The enthusiasm, the pure emotion, the depth and length of the letters was such a dramatic contrast from what is probably normal for most guys in an introductory letter.

Of 80 women in 7 weeks, only one truly stood out as something different. This was a 21 year old who was not excessively attractive physically, but to look at her photo you'd expect to see her in the heart of some American city, with street smarts beyond what anybody else had. She stood head and shoulders above all the rest as having a brain. Hers was the latest letter, and all it said was "It cannot be that such a handsome man needs this service!!!" The first one to really have her feet on the ground.

I have no doubt that somebody in here will forward this on to the agency and me and my fake profile will be history. Oh well.

Really, for anyone to be able to draw any kind of conclusions, you would have to have the same profile on the same site with pictures of a "normal guy." Otherwise there is no way to effectively make any kind of comparision.

I think every knows or should know, that looks play a siginficant role... but, they are not as important to a woman than to the average man. A man will be involved with a very hot looking woman when she is rather boring in personality a lot longer than a woman will be with a hot guy who is boring.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by RobOhioGuy
Really, for anyone to be able to draw any kind of conclusions, you would have to have the same profile on the same site with pictures of a "normal guy." Otherwise there is no way to effectively make any kind of comparision.

I do ... my real profile. The letters came in for the fake one about 3 times as often as for my real one. What really surprised me was the number of "tens" who never responded to the fake one. I'm just impressed as I can be with that last letter, from that 21-year-old.

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I think everyone knows or should know, that looks play a siginficant role... but, they are not as important to a woman than to the average man. A man will be involved with a very hot looking woman when she is rather boring in personality a lot longer than a woman will be with a hot guy who is boring.

In American culture I have not seen this to be the case. Not even close. In FSU culture, it seems to apply everywhere - RW with RM, RW with AM, it doesn't matter. Next time you go out, look around. See how many cases you run across where you truly feel like the guy would be less attractive to women than the woman would be to guys. See what your own experiences tell you.

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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In American culture I have not seen this to be the case. Not even close. In FSU culture, it seems to apply everywhere - RW with RM, RW with AM, it doesn't matter. Next time you go out, look around. See how many cases you run across where you truly feel like the guy would be less attractive to women than the woman would be to guys. See what your own experiences tell you.

Perhaps we are saying the same thing. Im not sure, your last paragraph didnt make a lot of sense to me. From what I have seen on visits to Kiev and Odessa (on multiple trips) You see it far more often that an extreamly attractive UW will be with what can be discribed at best, an average looking UM. That a far more frequent occurance than what Ive seen when Im out and about here at home. Im my opinion, the US culture places far more emphasis on external, superficial things. I am certainly not naive to believe that my status as an AM doesnt factor into the level of interest I might receive from a UW listed in a Agencies database, but I also do not think that is the major or only factor. I happen to believe that culturally, UW place far less emphasis on physical appearance than the culture here in the US.

Posted by: dakotaridge

Rob -

Yes, we're saying exactly the same thing. The woman is noticeably better looking than the guy - it's very common in Russia, Ukraine, etc. but VERY rare in the U.S. My personal experience (at least in the Denver area) is that when there's any notable difference, 98% of the time the guy will be better looking.

It really isn't AW I'm claiming are accountable for this. It's what our culture has evolved - or de-evolved - to demand. Women simply adjust for it. It doesn't change the net result for guys, but it's still the case (I think). If our culture were different, our women would be different. Almost any AW going to live in the FSU for any length of time would largely adopt their values.

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by RobOhioGuy
From what I have seen on visits to Kiev and Odessa (on multiple trips) You see it far more often that an extreamly attractive UW will be with what can be discribed at best, an average looking UM. That a far more frequent occurance than what Ive seen when Im out and about here at home. Im my opinion, the US culture places far more emphasis on external, superficial things. I am certainly not naive to believe that my status as an AM doesnt factor into the level of interest I might receive from a UW listed in a Agencies database, but I also do not think that is the major or only factor. I happen to believe that culturally, UW place far less emphasis on physical appearance than the culture here in the US.

The fact that you see some very attractive women in Ukraine walking around with average looking guys just means that he has some other means to attract her.. It could be anything - the status, the money, the marriage perspectives.. or personality. Anything!

It does not mean, she is not attracted to the better looking guys, it just means, that she can overlook his physical imperfections for something else he can give her.. For the western men, she will overlook physical imperfections for the chance at western lifestyle.. Maybe..

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
Almost any AW going to live in the FSU for any length of time would largely adopt their values.

As well as the majority of RW that live in the US. The ones that don't adopt, usually leave.

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

Vaguely interesting - might be a better test if done with more options; good looks and intersting profile, ugly and short profile, normal looks - and all the combinations of looks/profile.

But regardless of the 'intellectual' desire of this, it's still a pretty rotten trick to play on unsuspecting women - after all, for them it is not an intellectual exercise, it's their feelings and emotions.

Maybe it would be better to try to conduct this sort of survey in co-operation with a dating site - and it could help men get better responses. Maybe you could host your own site to carry out an experiment? It could be interesting to see the results of a larger scale survey.

But not at the cost of upsetting people needlessly.

Ade

Posted by: FlashingEyes

I don't think you can conclude anything from comparing a model - photo guy with minimal information to whatever dakata may have written on his profile. From what he's written here, he thinks everything he says is golden, but the reaction I have and probably most RW have is oh my God it's Jeff Spicoli! Given that dakota probably hurt himself by being verbose in his profile, I would say that not only did the model have incredibly better looks, but didn't hurt himself by what was said, and so it's hardly surprising the model would get better responses.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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But regardless of the 'intellectual' desire of this, it's still a pretty rotten trick to play on unsuspecting women - after all, for them it is not an intellectual exercise, it's their feelings and emotions.

1) The letters received on the fake profile are never opened and the women writing can see this. Opening them costs me $$$. Sending them costs the women nothing.

2) When the total cost to these women in terms of time, money and heartbreak approaches .0001% of what I've endured from the number of times women have bailed out without so much as announcing they're not going to write anymore, after I've wasted a few million $ in the process, then I'll feel guilty. This is an initial intro letter they're sending that never gets read and they know it's never read and that's the extent of it. I am not having 6 children with each of these women before slipping away like a thief in the night.

3) It's a safe bet that none of these women read the postings in this forum so I doubt you're winning very many points with them.

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by FlashingEyes
I don't think you can conclude anything from comparing a model - photo guy with minimal information to whatever dakata may have written on his profile. From what he's written here, he thinks everything he says is golden, but the reaction I have and probably most RW have is oh my God it's Jeff Spicoli! Given that dakota probably hurt himself by being verbose in his profile, I would say that not only did the model have incredibly better looks, but didn't hurt himself by what was said, and so it's hardly surprising the model would get better responses.

I think the fact that the model did not get even more responses can be contributed to the fact that these women are not that stupid to not recognize a fake profile from the real one.. Since Dakota never got around openning the letters, except, apparently, for the one from 21 year old, we cannot speculate what these women have written to the model guy. Maybe they were making fun of his appearance.

We will never know..

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by inlove
I think the fact that the model did not get even more responses can be contributed to the fact that these women are not that stupid to not recognize a fake profile from the real one.. Since Dakota never got around openning the letters, except, apparently, for the one from 21 year old, we cannot speculate what these women have written to the model guy. Maybe they were making fun of his appearance. We will never know..

The web site had a bug. If you clicked in a certain place in the profile summary of the sender, it would display the letter - which until today was free to read - but it wouldn't flag the letter as read so the women would only see "unread." Beginning today this agency now charges guys per-letter to read incoming mail and this no longer works. They announced this change was coming awhile back.

As for not getting more responses, the wording on the profile was minimal and it could be that the majority of RW just don't put looks as their highest priority.

Posted by: FlashingEyes

Ladies and Gents it's dakota performing his world famous Spicoli backpeddle - first one story, then another, like he didn't read the letters, but really he did, like he spent millions of dollars over the past seven years chasing RW, but really he was working 80 hours a day penniless. What story is coming next! Even HE doesn't know!!!

Posted by: jpierce55

I think the responses came because the attractive profile said little. If it had said something nice it would have got more responses. If it had been a not-so-great profile I wager it would have been less.

The responses came because the "man" was left a slight mystery.

MHO

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

I don't need to win points with these women.

How do you know these women haven't experienced as much heartbreak as you? - maybe from men who broke off without an explanation, never had any intent to visit, or just posted fake profiles for their own edification.

From your post, it really does sound as though a lot of women have given up on you: why?

From the percentage you quote for anyone to match you, it really does look as though you could be the most tragic case of all time!

Look, I don't know you and have no points to score with you, but it seems to my untrained eye as though you react overly defensively to every post that doesn't explicitly agree with you.

You also invalidate your own experiment, by not reading the responses; the numbers may tell something, but the content surely more. It looks as though all you were trying to do was waste the time of these women.

Ade

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by dakotaridge

3) It's a safe bet that none of these women read the postings in this forum so I doubt you're winning very many points with them.

Women from the russian antidate network and Western Men Black List site visit here quite often. Your screen names, real name, pictures, company name, forum postings can be easily published there. And that will be the end of dakota's adventures in chatting up with russian women..

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by Ade
I don't need to win points with these women.

If a guy did want to win points with these women, how would his postings differ significantly from yours?

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How do you know these women haven't experienced as much heartbreak as you?

I don't, and that's a valid point. Still ... at the very worst we're even; judging from all the criticism I've received for the length of time I've been corresponding, it isn't likely that anybody has exceeded me in that department.

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...or just posted fake profiles for their own edification

What if I were the one to send a free introductory letter to a woman; the service I was using displayed if and when she read it, and (as has happened to me many times) all I ever saw was that my letter was never even read. How severely could I react to that before you or anybody else in the forum began to feel it was excessive?

It just isn't that serious.

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From your post, it really does sound as though a lot of women have given up on you: why?

Because no one man is all things to all people; because I am not the right partner for every woman in the FSU; because the women there overwhelmingly place far more importance on a man's character, personality, etc. than those of Western culture are accustomed to. Again: if you're pleasing too many people too often, something is very wrong. I have my lady in Zaporozhye; things have more or less gone as well and as far as they can until I get there to visit her. We discuss this constantly, she knows the situation, she knows what's happening (and not happening) and why, and she makes her decision to wait. (Incidentally, things have changed in that arena from what I posted earlier, for those preparing to throw that in my face).

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From the percentage you quote for anyone to match you, it really does look as though you could be the most tragic case of all time!

Well ... there isn't much I can do to help somebody who can't fathom even a joke that obvious.

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... it seems to my untrained eye as though you react overly defensively to every post that doesn't explicitly agree with you.

Go read more posts. I have plenty of them.

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You also invalidate your own experiment, by not reading the responses

Again: read my posts, get the facts straight, then respond.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by inlove
Women from the russian antidate network and Western Men Black List site visit here quite often. Your screen names, real name, pictures, company name, forum postings can be easily published there. And that will be the end of dakota's adventures in chatting up with russian women..

Well ... I'm more or less spoken for so the results can't be too tragic.

Isn't it interesting that for all the hundreds of postings listing everything wrong with me, nobody has even collected - or been interested in collecting - enough information to even know I'm currently writing to only one woman?

Anyway, I am who I am, I do what I do, and there's nothing posted in this forum (by me) that should be hidden from any woman I would be corresponding with.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by jpierce55
I think the responses came because the attractive profile said little. If it had said something nice it would have got more responses. If it had been a not-so-great profile I wager it would have been less.

The responses came because the "man" was left a slight mystery.

MHO

This is a very valid point; one I hadn't considered. I suppose, when you consider this, running an objective experiment really is impossible. If I say too little, trying to isolate the responses only to the photos, it could really prompt more responses just to discover what's missing from the writeup. And, of course, by saying much of anything, I automatically start narrowing the field to those who would be interested in such a guy. Women do respond to a man of mystery.... too bad he isn't real.

Posted by: Ade

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
1) The letters received on the fake profile are never opened and the women writing can see this. Opening them costs me $$$. Sending them costs the women nothing.

Hi,

I was referring to this, when I said your experiment was invalid because you didn't read the replies; without reading them, you don't know why they've replied.

Of course, this contradicts your opening post, where you mention how much the women reveal in their replies.

So which is it - you read them to see the depth of their replies, or you never open them? You've claimed both.

Also, the percentage thing; there was no indication of it being a joke, and given your posts before, it looked like a genuine claim

Ade

Posted by: Ade

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Originally posted by dakotaridge

because the women there overwhelmingly place far more importance on a man's character, personality, etc. than those of Western culture are accustomed to.

And we wouldn't want women to judge us on our character, would we

Good luck with your lady, anyhow

Ade

Posted by: jpierce55

I think you were on to something. You need three profiles. One with the average or below guy at least average profile. One with a good looking guy and good profile, and one with a bad profile and good looking guy.

Most of my positive responses are from the better looking women, I don't consider myself a prize so it must be my profile.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by jpierce55
I think you were on to something. You need three profiles. One with the average or below guy at least average profile. One with a good looking guy and good profile, and one with a bad profile and good looking guy.

Most of my positive responses are from the better looking women, I don't consider myself a prize so it must be my profile.

That's what RW respond to - the stuff inside. I also think there's another factor. This is just my opinion; I have no "scholarly basis" for this.

The incidence of what we consider "exceptional beauty" in Eastern Europe is much higher than in America. So a woman who might get a thousand guys chasing her and rule the roost here might at best be average over there. Just because of the gene pool there, maybe it takes a lot more for a woman to really be considered exceptional there, receiving all the special treatment that goes with that status.

You know the trend ... most people who are ex-smokers are just a little too verbal against smoking, etc. to cover their wish to go back to smoking. The same trend has very beautiful women (in American culture) being just a little too verbal about how their looks had nothing to do with the invariably better job, nicer home, higher income, etc. they always have. If the census bureau had a separate statistic for standard of living vs. looks in America.........

Posted by: inlove

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One does not have to be a rocket scientist, or conduct any experiments for this matter, to figure out that a good looking guy with a good profile will receive the most responses. Duh..

Posted by: dakotaridge

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jpierce55
I don't consider myself a prize so it must be my profile

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inlove
One does not have to be a rocket scientist, or conduct any experiments for this matter, to figure out that a good looking guy with a good profile will receive the most responses. Duh..

Okay, let me try to explain in simpler terms. What jpierce and I were discussing was the concept of not needing to be a good looking guy. The profile text by itself, without the help of any kind of exceptional looks, is the primary focus of RW in the majority of cases. Hopefully this is simple enough for non-rocket scientists to absorb. Duh...

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
Okay, let me try to explain in simpler terms. What jpierce and I were discussing was the concept of not needing to be a good looking guy. The profile text by itself, without the help of any kind of exceptional looks, is the primary focus of RW in the majority of cases. Hopefully this is simple enough for non-rocket scientists to absorb. Duh...

Of course, I forgot... You know much better than me what is the primarily focus of RW. Why do you even bother to include a picture with you profile then?

Out of 3 choices presented by jpierce, the good looking guy with a good profile will win. I can bet on that.

Posted by: jpierce55

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Originally posted by inlove
One does not have to be a rocket scientist, or conduct any experiments for this matter, to figure out that a good looking guy with a good profile will receive the most responses. Duh..

Duh! Of course! You don't understand, we realize that. The good looking man with the good profile would be needed for comparison to the amount of responses on the other two.

My belief is the average guy with a good profile would do better than the good looking guy with the bad profile. I could be wrong. That is just my opinion and the way it works when I look at womens profiles, although to be honest personality takes complete priority over looks for me.

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by jpierce55
Duh! Of course! You don't understand, we realize that. The good looking man with the good profile would be needed for comparison to the amount of responses on the other two.

My belief is the average guy with a good profile would do better than the good looking guy with the bad profile. I could be wrong. That is just my opinion and the way it works when I look at womens profiles, although to be honest personality takes complete priority over looks for me.

So why do you need a good looking guy with a good profile for your experiment then? Just ask dakota how many responses he got on his regular profile in the same length of time, as his fake one was up.. And you will get your answer.

Posted by: jpierce55

Just for number comparrison, to see how many more.

But I personally would not perform an experiment like this because it is cruel to get somebodies hopes up like that.

Posted by: inlove

You can ask dakota, he will do it for you.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by inlove
... Out of 3 choices presented by jpierce, the good looking guy with a good profile will win. I can bet on that.

I don't argue that. The point is the little nothing-personal, strictly-debating-the-issues "Duh.." that you had to insert, when doing so was only a result of your going in a different direction than the discussion we were having.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by jpierce55
But I personally would not perform an experiment like this because it is cruel to get somebodies hopes up like that.

It just isn't that serious. In several postings I've explained that these women are never replied to and to the best of my knowledge they never even see that their letters were read. Again, I will ask, what is the limit of how I (as a man) am allowed to react every time I write the first intro letter to a beautiful RW and there's never any reply? How devastated am I allowed to become before people begin finding my reaction excessive? I just don't think a photo of a male model who doesn't reply to the first free intro letter a woman writes is going to destroy her life. I think most RW active in this process have slightly more serious concerns.

So basically, every time I send an intro letter to a very beautiful RW and she doesn't reply, she is being cruel. No? Different rules when it's a woman?

I believe this is now the 3rd (or 4th?) time I've covered this, and it makes a huge statement about people's focus and intentions, that I had to post it more than once.

Posted by: dakotaridge

The response rate for the fake profile was 5.08 times higher than my actual profile, counting in terms of letters per day where first contact was initiated by women. 81 letters in 54 days for the fake one; 46 letters in 156 days for the real one.

Posted by: inlove

See, J, here is your answer. A good looking guy with a nonexisting/bad profile gets 5.08 times more responses than dak.., sorry, an average looking guy with an average profile.

Now, if we shift the variables a little and add to a good looking guy's profile that he is a wife-beater and mass murderer, the results might be..

sorry, guys, just having fun here.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by inlove
See, J, here is your answer. A good looking guy with a nonexisting/bad profile gets 5.08 times more responses than dak.., sorry, an average looking guy with an average profile.
Now, if we shift the variables a little and add to a good looking guy's profile that he is a wife-beater and mass murderer, the results might be.. sorry, guys, just having fun here.

I paid good money to have my past murders and wife beating episodes hidden. I for one would like to know exactly how you found out about these incidents???

Posted by: Khashyar

I appreciate that we making and effort to keep things in a good-natured spirit.......

Khashyar

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by Khashyar

I appreciate that we making and effort to keep things in a good-natured spirit.......

Khashyar

Hey Khash!!!

You ASSUME that I was only kidding ....

Muah-hah-hah-hah-hah.............

Posted by: Colochef

This completely misses the point. It's not the quantity it's the quality. And yes it is wrong to get peoples hopes up on a fake profile no matter what your motives.

Posted by: Khashyar

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
Hey Khash!!!

You ASSUME that I was only kidding ....

Muah-hah-hah-hah-hah.............

Just don't break into my house....

^ (I've always wanted to use that smilie

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Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by Khashyar
Just don't break into my house....

^ (I've always wanted to use that smilie )

Well ... how far do you live from Denver?

What kind of arsenal do you have?

What kind of dog(s) do you have?

Where do you keep your jewelry? Do you have a burger-ler alarm? If so, what's the code to shut it off?

When I worked at Ford Aerospace, we heard on the radio before we heard from the company that the Sgt. York (anti-aircraft tank) project was being canceled. So it's a safe bet nobody knows where those units are now, all hundred of them ... for home defense it might be just the thing!

Posted by: Aquiest

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But I personally would not perform an experiment like this because it is cruel to get somebodies hopes up like that.

I hope a person (woman or man) doesn't get their hopes up by sending a single e-mail. It would be a devastating tragedy to not hear back from the recipient. I can tell you this. I've gotten less than a 10% response rate so far, sending over a hundred letters. Maybe I wrote crap, but maybe not. But I'm not bent out of shape over it.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by Colochef
This completely misses the point. It's not the quantity it's the quality.

This means you don't find polygamy entirely acceptable? Quantity, quality, I think there's good in both.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Actually, being serious for a minute (GAWD that hurts!) I don't really think my profile there could be considered average. I think what I normally write would significantly lower the response rate; there aren't that many women (of any culture) who would find it appealing. This is typical of what I post in my profile, bearing in mind that the operative principles for a profile will and should (I think) differ from what's practiced in a discussion forum....

Describe your character (what you like, what you dislike)

My definition of a successful person is one who left the world a different place than they found it. They did so by being who they are and doing what they love to do. It matters very little what form that takes. What matters is that it's pure. I live by this way of thinking as my primary motivation in life. I am extremly creative and resourceful; I do not believe in the word "can't." I don't much care what's wrong or who's to blame, I only care what can be done NOW to make it better. My primary profession is computer programming; I am also extremely well oriented toward music. I also love bike riding and walking, being in nature. When I'm working, I am working 100%, but I will not hesitate to turn everything off and go out to play when it's time to do that.

How do you portray an ideal woman?

I've heard many women say they don't like making plans because you never know what will happen tomorrow. While I can understand why they might feel this way, I personally don't agree with this outlook. We are here to be who we are and do what we do, and if we have determination and commitment, then tomorrow will not be such a mystery because we will be causing and choosing much of what happens. It is our will and our passion that largely determine what tomorrow will bring, and we come into this world to exercise both. I like women who are extremely centered in themselves - not overly influenced by trends and the opinions of others. They know who they are and they know what they want out of life. They make no apologies for it. They adapt as they must for the culture they live in, but the basis of their personality would not be much different if they had lived their entire lives alone. This doesn't mean a woman who knows nothing in life beyond her career, it simply means a woman who is very focused, who makes decisions quickly and does not spend time regretting the past. Whether she's home all day raising a child or setting records on the job she wanted to work at, it matters very little. I only care that she's doing what makes her happy, what she truly wants to be doing. I very much like a woman to be soft, gentle, kind and very feminine on the outside, with an exceptionally strong character on the inside.

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That would not appeal to everyone and might narrow the response rate significantly. Of course ... nobody has seen my photos yet..........

Posted by: PrincetonLion

I believe the whole experiment was totally wrong!
You need to put one profile of good looking 25-years-old guy from - er - New Guinea, and the second one - of 60-years-old average looking guy from Switzerland...

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by PrincetonLion
I believe the whole experiment was totally wrong!
You need to put one profile of good looking 25-years-old guy from - er - New Guinea, and the second one - of 60-years-old average looking guy from Switzerland...

Well the New Guinea guy I can more or less imagine but what's average for a 60-year old Swiss dude?

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

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Originally posted by dakotaridge
Well the New Guinea guy I can more or less imagine but what's average for a 60-year old Swiss dude?

THink lederhosen.... lol

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by RobOhioGuy
Think liederhosen.... lol

And Ricola ... don't forget the Ricola ...