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Originally posted by dakotaridge Hollywood has been using the same stock formula woman as the heroine in 110% of its movies for the past 30 years. The actress portraying her changes from movie to movie but the character never does. |
| The character is invariably the perfect man in the perfect woman's body. Superior to every other woman in every pursuit. Superior to every other man in every pursuit. With no training whatsoever, she is immediately void of all fear when a barrage of bullets are flying at her. Without any basis whatsoever, she immediately assumes military command of the nation's complement of men, who immediately submit to her command simply because she begins barking orders - orders that display her unparalleled brilliance, such as "everybody get DOWN!" when shooting is going on all around her. Surely, nobody else would have figured that out, but it doesn't matter, we have HER! She displays no skills through the entire movie other than being sickeningly full of herself, standing there as a sitting duck target and firing 14,000 rounds from a 20-round magazine at waist level without having to aim - and thereby singlehandedly eliminating more than 15,000 enemy troops who have undergone years of training and direct combat experience. She invariably has a 3-hour salon makeover at all times, even when she's been 3 weeks without a shower. She is invariably the most brilliant scientist ever born, the most physically perfect female body ever created, normally with the required poodle hair, and she is rarely more than 22 years old. |
| How do women in other countries react to this? Or for that matter, MEN in other countries? Or for that matter, don't the local American men start to get somewhat tired of 30 years without escape from the same boring character in every movie ever made - and she's not going away any time soon.... |
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Originally posted by dakotaridge I don't agree at all, that just because Hollywood cannot get out of a 30-year rut of recycling the same tired character, this means that "this is what the public wants." When a movie does exceptionally well, THAT is what the public wants. E.T. Star Wars. The Godfather. Close Encounters. Even Spider Man did relatively well (at least the first movie). And none of these had the generic Hollywood heroine in them. Maybe they all did so well just because that character was missing! Just because only one flavor of ice cream is offered, it doesn't mean the public likes it. It simply means their choices are "this or nothing." Now I have to go to Wal-Mart and buy some ice cream. Let's see ... vanilla, vanilla, or vanilla ... how do I choose?
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Do you read your own posts? Are you arguing with yourself?
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The character is invariably the perfect man in the perfect woman's body. Superior to every other woman in every pursuit. Superior to every other man in every pursuit. With no training whatsoever, she is immediately void of all fear when a barrage of bullets are flying at her. Without any basis whatsoever, she immediately assumes military command of the nation's complement of men, who immediately submit to her command simply because she begins barking orders - orders that display her unparalleled brilliance, such as "everybody get DOWN!" when shooting is going on all around her. Surely, nobody else would have figured that out, but it doesn't matter, we have HER! She displays no skills through the entire movie other than being sickeningly full of herself, standing there as a sitting duck target and firing 14,000 rounds from a 20-round magazine at waist level without having to aim - and thereby singlehandedly eliminating more than 15,000 enemy troops who have undergone years of training and direct combat experience. She invariably has a 3-hour salon makeover at all times, even when she's been 3 weeks without a shower. She is invariably the most brilliant scientist ever born, the most physically perfect female body ever created, normally with the required poodle hair, and she is rarely more than 22 years old. |
| It seems you stalk everything I post in here - |
| You come across looking like a desperate woman who is somehow in my shadow, who cannot rest until the forum at large has reduced me to uniform sized cinder blocks. It isn't going to happen. You're the only one doing this. |
| Turn on any action movie, any disaster movie, any police movie, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Nobody could be so out of touch as to claim this character doesn't exist. |
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Originally posted by Jill I don't claim that it doesn't exist--I simply have not seen any movies as the one you describe. I was asking for a few titles of reference (perhaps I would then know what you are talking about). Perhaps it is because I don't have have American TV channels--so I am able to be selective in what I view. However, asking for clarification on a subject which you yourself have raised is hardly stalking (in my opinion). |
)--guess that would explain why I don't know what he's talking about. |
Originally posted by FlashingEyes Khash, I don't believe in someone having the ability to define what is or is not a "necessary" "tone". What is necessary for you may not be necessary for me. Any comments I have made that might be interpreted as "insult"ing are only directed at the arguments and writing style that dakota uses to present his ideas. Since you didn't specify anything specific in my comments, I assume you just wrote this post to make dakota feel like you weren't picking on him when you later pointed out the specific violations of RMP etiquitte that he has made. Calling Jill a stalker IS a personal insult far beyond any "tone" of anything I may have said. |
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Originally posted by FlashingEyes Khashyar, No my reference to the movie character Jeff Spicoli only reflects on the advice and arguments that dakota has presented - I am referencing previous posts where I have stated this concept in greater detail, that in his advice and arguments he takes a Jeff Spicoli approach to life. "Spicoli" is not an insult - it is a literary reference. You will not find "Spicoli" on any list of "bad words" or even in the dictionary. Even the character Spicoli was generally likeable and funny, so the character itself is not evil or anything. However, Spicoli lacked a grasp of how the real world worked in his opinions and viewpoints, and it is in this respect that Dakota is similar to the character - in the advice he gives and in his arguments. Therefore you are completely wrong, and rather than making your hasty conclusion, had you bothered to inquire to me about this literary reference, I would have been happy to enlighten you before you wasted not only my time and yours but everyone's here. I have never seen you apologize ONE TIME in the past when you have made these sort of mistakes, so I hardly expect one now, but it is embarrassing I think how you ultimately do not follow the guidelines yourself, in that you try to enforce things that are not really violations of the guidelines, like my saying that the arguments and advice that Dakota is giving is reminiscent of the movie character Jeff Spicoli, but at the same time I see lots of posts here every day from people like Dakota with direct personal insults and you do very little. I have had people post comments like "you are an ass" to me - which is a clear violation of forum guidelines - and NEVER have I seen you post a response on this board in that instance. I have seen people post really awful things about Russian women as a group and Russian people as a group and women as a group and NEVER have I seen you post a response on this board in those instances, although I can hardly think that one could say absolutely dispicable things about all Russian people and that any Russian here would not interpret that as a personal insult. Basically I find how you choose to interpret and enforce your own guidelines to be extremely arbitrary, and not strictly to the letter of guidelines. I think if that's what you want to do, to basically appoint yourself as the opinion of determining what everyone else thinks is acceptable thoughts, then you should just come right out and say it - that you don't need no stinkin' guidelines because you are here to censor anything you don't like, and allow other things in violation of the guidelines. Ultimately, when I see you actually begin to enforce the guidelines by the letter of the guidelines and hold everyone to the same standard, then I will be more impressed with what you post to me. I actually try very hard to follow the guidelines, to follow them exactly and to the letter. However, I don't give much heed to these sort of posts from you which are basically your opinion. As I've noted, nothing I have said was with any intent to violate the strict guidelines, so all I have is your opinion that somehow the "tone" of what I said was wrong - and since ultimately I can only choose to live by my opinion or your opinion, I choose to live by my opinion, and not yours, and only can hope that one day your opinions will conform more closely to your own guidelines. |
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