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Originally posted by Nevsky21 Kashyar, What nationality are you? I'm very curious you look like you are from the Middle East. How are you getting along with your wife? I'm sure its quite a change from her since now she cant eat pork, drink alchohol, has to see her son get circumcised if you have one. Thats if you are muslim if you arent forget my comments. What I dont understand is why you couldnt find a Middle Eastern woman to marry. I think you would have more in common with her than with a Russian. |
But I don't think he deserves a special thread.. "Russian prejustice towards..." sounds to me the same way as "American prejustice towards.."
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Originally posted by inlove Khash, You got yourself a nazi on the forum. But I don't think he deserves a special thread.. "Russian prejustice against..." sounds to me the same way as "American prejustice against.."
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and enjoy being around different cultures and people, I think that it could be interesting to learn about why skinheads believe what they do...
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Originally posted by AkMike I'm courious why he dislikes the United States? Because of the prosperity we have vs. the problems back in Russia? If he dislikes the US so much why is he here? How many Blacks, Mexicans and such has he ever met on a 1 on 1 situation? Should we still harbor bad feelings towards Russians based on the cold war era? And the 20 million Russians he said died during WW2... Seems very high to me. But I think that I've read that number were killed by Stalin ( his own countryman) during his 'purges' before, during and after the war. Has he forgotten the aid that the US gave during the war despite the political differences of our countrys? |
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Originally posted by AkMike I'm courious why he dislikes the United States? Because of the prosperity we have vs. the problems back in Russia? If he dislikes the US so much why is he here? How many Blacks, Mexicans and such has he ever met on a 1 on 1 situation? Should we still harbor bad feelings towards Russians based on the cold war era? And the 20 million Russians he said died during WW2... Seems very high to me. But I think that I've read that number were killed by Stalin ( his own countryman) during his 'purges' before, during and after the war. Has he forgotten the aid that the US gave during the war despite the political differences of our countrys? |
| yes, i was quite shocked to read the 20 million WWII deaths a few years back |
| Lena's grandmother and her family had a difficult time, and at times had nothing decent to eat. |
| It seems to be a Russian war strategy--just overwhelm the enemy with numbers. Send in a bunch of troops, let them get killed, and send in a bunch more--after all, the villages were filled with expendable young men. Many were sent to almost suicidal deaths and never even stood a chance. If you believe some history books, many were even sent into battle without weapons and told they should just take a gun from someone who has already been killed. In addition, many of the experienced generals and other high ranking officers were killed during the purges prior to the war, so you had 20 year olds leading troops into battle. It was just insane. And so tragic. |
so, of course people chose death as heroes instead of death from the hands of their own countrymen...that's how the war was won...they also gave soldiers lots of vodka to give them courage...these are historic facts
| I read that there were special "back up" units during WWII in Russia that always positioned themselves way at the back of the troops during a battle in case someone wanted to run...they shot them |
It's interesting. I was in a small market in Siberia and overheard the older ladies in line complaining about the Sarahs ahead of them. As my oldest is named Sarah, my ears perked up. I later asked a Russian friend about this. She laughed and said "oh the old ladies are just complaining about the jewish girls in line". It was a bit eye opening. PS - I also find it a bit odd about why this person cares about your nationality. As we say here "folks is folks".
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Originally Posted by neil277
Hello.
This is a good subject, i have been told by Nataly's cousin i am a racist because i did not like her boyfriend. |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
Inlove, you're always so quick to label others. I'm a wifebeater - remember? What was that based on?
And now this guy above is a racist. |
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There is nothing racist about wanting to stem immigration. All countries have their own cultures and social histories. And it's not racist to want to keep those institutions intact. A recent poll in Britain reveals that a large majority of Muslims favor Sharia law in the UK - and this poll was not limited to recent immigrants but to all Muslims, some of which had been there for generations. This sort of belief is not compatible with Western culture. Sharia law says a non-Muslim can not testify against a Muslim. It puts severe restrictions on the behavior of women. An open door immigration policy would likely see these laws voted into place in a generation or so when Muslims become the majority. That's not an expression of hatred against Muslims. It's simple recognition of cultural differences. I would not wish to live under Muslim law. That does not make me a racist! This man above lives in a Europe which is being flooded with uncontrolled immigration from Islamic countries. He is correct (in my opinion) to express concern. Many of those people are African and therefore black, others are from the Middle East - some are from the Balkans and are as fair complected as you. It's hardly racism. I'm quite sure (and perhaps he'll correct me if I'm wrong) that he has no issue at all with his friends and neighbors from dominion countries like Jamaica or Belize. |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
OK, you didn't say I was a wife beater, you only insinuated this.
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And of course immigration quotas are based on things like religion, ethnicity and national origin. Frankly I think it's insane to not take religion, if nothing else, into account in these things. I want as few people as possible coming into my country that think women are chattel and that non-Muslims are not entitled to any rights. We can extend our beliefs to them, but the religion itself is one that is incompatible with life in the West. It is incompatable with civil liberties since it puts women and non-muslims into the same category as animals. The situation in Europe is much more grave than here. They are being overwhelmed with illegal immigration from Muslim countries and there seems to be no political will to take action about this. Look at this situation in France a few weeks ago - thousands of Muslims burning tens of thousands of cars, destroying property, gang raping women... And many of these people are illegal aliens! And what do they want? They demand the government give them more money and services. It's insane that a legal immigrant can arrive in a country and get any services or money without having paid into the system, but it's doubly insane that illegal immigrants can demand this and then hold a nation hostage with violence to get it. No, it's not racism to recognize the simple truth. |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
It's not racism to recognize that certain religions and philosophies are incompatable with western culture. What is the difference between some Islamic sects and Nazism? They both demand the extermination of Jews. They both demand the overthrow of democratic governments. They both advocate violence to achieve these means. They both advocate the replacement of the rule of law with the rule of political or religious zealots.
We wouldn't argue about decreasing the number of NAZI's immigrating to a country. We wouldn't argue about expelling illegal immigrant NAZI's. But when we talk about Islam it's suddenly taboo. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Are you a racist? Yes, it seems like you are, since, apparently, only a number of BLACK immigrants concerns you, not the fact that your wife is an immigrant herself. You also have a very low tolerance for other people's choices and lifestyles, seems like. Your wife also share your beliefs, so you two fit each other to a tee.
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
Then what happens? Do we see Sharia law imposed? Do we see women without burkas beaten in the streets?
It's a genuine problem. And the discussion of this shouldn't be beaten down with cries of "racism." |
| And Americans still fly the flag which states no N****** on my land this would never happen in England. |
| ps great multiple choice post. by the way, if not your original work, what is the source? |
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Originally Posted by neil277
Nataly came to England because we both wanted to be together and Nataly feels the same as me imigration must be slowed down, we have done everything by the book, asylum get everthing for nothing.
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| One it does not matter what colour they are but when people lie to my face thats it, i will turn my back on them and never talk again. |
| I am a strong person but if you have people working for £40 per day there is a problem when the normal price for work is £130-£140 per day. |
| And Americans still fly the flag which states no N****** on my land this would never happen in England. |
| I'm from South London and within 1 second of meeting someone i can uncover if they are good or bad and Natalys cousins boyfriend was a bad seed and Natalys cousin was just full of lies, even Nataly said Neil i thought i new my Cousin but she was fox for many years. |
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Originally Posted by obx2005
Got it email several zillion times but edited post to reflect one link out of a million on Google.
thanks PinBoy Jeff |
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Originally Posted by obx2005
Hi InLove,
You're right...sometimes hard to imagine anyone, regardless of nationality, race, etc. being capable of these things. I guess that no matter the religion, race, preferences, I'm kinda tired of excuses being made not to examine certain issues more closely because of claims of discrimination, when there is factual evidence that would indicate otherwise...my parents always told me "...why should you mind if you have nothing to hide"... That was my point...not to vindicate any discrimination whatsoever...BTW McVeigh, Nichols, etc., the jury is still out as to whether they acted alone or with the help of Muslim contact...Propaganda? Don't Know? Maybe the truth will come one day... Thanks for your reply, Jeff |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Yeah, maybe some day we will know truth about JFK's murder. There is another side that people in the US don't like to talk about. It is the fact that the US has supported Taliban and Osama for many years, before they turned around and bit their sponsors in the a**.
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Originally Posted by bingism
A little on the unrealistic side of probability, but if it happens I guess all we can say is that this is the power of democracy... majority rule! But yes, I agree with your second point.
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| The bottom line is that this is not a matter of religion. Anyone who has cared to listen to the Muslim majority will realise that the Qu'ran is widely interpretted to teach tolerance. |
| It could easily be argued that the Bible is far less tolerant and far more condemning of those who fail to believe it's content. |
| Terrorism is not waged by religion... these are the acts of violent, twisted individuals who either lack the intelligence to understand different points of view or are hellbent on making trouble for their own rewards. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
What do you mean by 'everything for nothing"? Your wife is an immigrant, just like everybody else, so please don't kid yourself. The fact that she is married to the british guy does not change the fact that she is an immigrant, and thus is increasing UK immigrant population, adding a burden to your social system.
So then why somebody's personal lies promt your long monologue about black immigration? What does immigration in general has to do with the fact that some lebanese guy is lying to you? i'm sure they would be happy to work for 130-140 as well. It's the loopholes in a labor law that allow emloyers to pay only 40, not the immigration itself. not true. You are lying to us now. How many years? 20-30? Long time to play a fox. More likely, she suddenly became a fox in your wife's eyes once she started dating a "lying" lebanese. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Good post , Jeff. Le't not forget that there are plenty of Timothy McVeighs out there as well.
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Originally Posted by bingism
A little on the unrealistic side of probability, but if it happens I guess all we can say is that this is the power of democracy... majority rule! But yes, I agree with your second point.
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Originally Posted by obx2005
I don't see why this would not be discussed. It is a matter of truth. Throughout history this has happened many times to all nations in some form or another...
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Russia had a pact with Nazi Germany prior to Operation Barbarosa. I think political decisions, whether good or bad, are made based on their current environment. I really can't see any implications to the pact Russia made with Germany or the support America gave to the Taliban that would have precluded the inevitable conflicts that occurred in these instances. This topic should not be taboo under any circumstances and as strange as it may sound, should not influence later decisions that must be made on future circumstances. If we were able to tell the future, we would still not be able to avoid the world's conflicts...Do I make any sense? Jeff |
To the original person who started this thread: You are a facist of the worst type. Most despicable indeed. A poor little man who blames others for his problems. Don't like the USA? I LOVE AMERICA! -get the hell out.
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Originally Posted by mistermopar
Very well put bobjf. I am not a raceist,but I will agree with you about other nationalities coming to our country,or your country and expecting the laws and peoples beleifs to change for them. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Yeah, maybe some day we will know truth about JFK's murder.
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Originally Posted by inlove
There is another side that people in the US don't like to talk about. It is the fact that the US has supported Taliban and Osama for many years, before they turned around and bit their sponsors in the a**.
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| Yes, and then there's the Elvis-Bigfoot conspiracy... Keep your tinfoil hat on! |
,hummm wonder why my ears ring when I use the microwave......
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Originally Posted by Ade
Hi John,
The Muslim Council of Great Britain is certainly not a Parliament and has no statutory powers in the UK - so while it may be unwelcome it isn't anything for most people to worry about. Keith, you can't judge how good a 'call' something is on the number of people killed as a result.....looking back at a history book will show that the Brits killed far fewer Native Americans than the US Govt ever did.....and I'm sure most (or all?!?) the Americans here wouldn't say that the War of Independence was wrong? - it was, of course.....if you hadn't gone all petty over the price of tea and the such, you'd still be able to spell Ade |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
That was a pretty good call actually. The Taliban killed far fewer people in their time in Afghanistan than the Soviets did.
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Originally Posted by Tats
Good call??? The Taliban had killed not fewer people for the capture of authority and in the subsequent long-term civil war (already without Soviets). Taliban had moved the country in a past in several centuries ago, forbidding even TV.
And now as result we have perfect Afghanistan having zero economy, terrorism and trade with drugs. And September 11 in addition. |
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Originally Posted by Eryk
>>And It's a good thing we kicked you out because real men drink coffee!
No-one kicked anyone out of your bit of the USA - you bought it from the Russians with hard cash >>The fact that Ossama and the Taliban later decided to hate us is par for They didn't "later decide" to hate you, they hated you from the start and their ancestors hated yours right back to the 8th century. This dance has been going on since Urban II declared the first "War on Terror" and it will continue to repeat through history until we learn that you must NEVER compromise principles for expediency or liberty for security. To quote a senior member of the Iranian Expediency Council last week: "Thank Allah our enemies are stupid." Eryk |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
Afghanistan has always been the most backwards country in the world. Afghanistan has always been a major supplier of Opium. Afghanistan has been in the midst of tribal warfare. That's what Afghans do.
And you're wrong, the Taliban killed far, far fewer people than the Soviets did in that miserable country. Afghanistan was one of the bigger nails in the coffin of the Soviet Union. Without the defeat in Afghanistan, you might still be a Soviet and we would not be having this conversation. It was a good call. |
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Originally Posted by bobjf
hey people before this gets out of hand lets just say that people who immigrate to another country should accept that countrys way of life & not try to change its people or culture. put simply if you can,t accept your new country,s way of life then feel free to go home .
i,m not saying you can,t keep your culture but that,s the point it is yours not ours,you came for a chance a better way of life for 1 reason or another but it dosn,t give you the right to change your new country to what you left behind enough said i think |
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Originally Posted by deccie
Hi Bob,
Glad to see your getting those computer problems sorted. The interesting thing about the comments raised here is that almost invariably they are cited by whatever culture is in the majority AT THE TIME. The other reason they are cited is to maintain the current status quo. As someone else once said the only thing that is constant in our world is change itself. Some examples that look at this.. 1. Former Christian Churches that are now Mosques in Turkey. I wonder, should the Muslims give them back? 2. The "temple mount" situation in Jerusalem. 3. The legal fiction of Terra Nullius used in Australia. Does possesion for a certain length of time legalise theft and injustice? Remember the English had a legal system that says receipt of stolen goods does not give title to those goods.. Or do you allow these things to fester and become another Balkans situation? So Bob, I would like to pose a question to you.. Should we adopt the Aboriginal culture as Australian since they were here first? Aren't they entitled to expect us to live by their rules? If it is majority rules then heaven help us when the immigrants are the majority and not the minority! I don't pretend to have the answers to these questions. But sometimes things are more complicated than they first appear. |
| The only answer is to scrap all the planes, ships, and anything else that can cross borders, close all borders, you live where you are born, make the most of it, and be happy with what youv'e got. |
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Originally Posted by mistermopar
If this was to happen we wouldn't need this site any more and we wouldn't be going to the FSU to find our life mate John.Don't be thinking silly now.
Randy |
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Originally Posted by bingism
Inlove, for an RMP Moderator you really do push the boat a little too far sometimes.
1. As I'm sure you are aware, in order to get the fiancee / spouse visa you need to prove that you "won't" be a burden on the social system! There is also a big difference between social migrancy and economic migrancy and since you are such an expert, I'm sure I need not explain such things to you. |
| 2. If you understood the asylum process in the UK, you would understand the perception of "everything for nothing". |
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Originally Posted by Keith In Kodiak
That was a pretty good call actually. The Taliban killed far fewer people in their time in Afghanistan than the Soviets did.
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Originally Posted by bobjf
inlove a question. a couple of weeks ago a simular thing happened in australia as in france. forget about media hype, what realy happened was simmering resentment of what so called men of middle eastern extraction had been doing for years ie: attending the beach & other venues & creating problems, abuseing girls (including my russian step daughter & her tongan girlfriend) for wearing bikini,s & dressing like whores, even had some of these mongrels try to order several of us from ocean pool s |
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