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How to recognize a scammer?
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Posted by: chatter

In my short limited experience, I have found that the more sincere women don't write every day........in fact more like once a week, twice if you're lucky.

The scammers seem to respond daily, sometimes twice. You can just bet that there's some guy on the other end writing you love letters and taking pictures of his girlfriend or one of "his girls" and sending them to you while sweet talking you.

Anyone else come to this conclusion?

Posted by: FlashingEyes

In general it is common in FSU culture to find that even a serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship will not involve daily communication, although of course there are exceptions. Things change once people are married, of course, because usually after that they live together and don't talk to each other at all after a year or so.

Posted by: chatter

Yeah, yeah, yeah.......................

What's the point. Russian women are as difficult as American women.

There is no sincerity or trustworthy people out there anymore. I'm all alone on an island. Poor poor pitiful me.

Posted by: inlove

I would think that the response speed would depend on computer/Internet access and the amount of interest.

Posted by: chatter

In other words.........I'm not interesting enough and I'm butt ugly?

Thanks Inlove.

Posted by: inlove

I dunno.. I have not seen your picture.

Let's think they don't have Internet access.

Posted by: FlashingEyes

Chatter,

Just something for you to think about... you have asked for help, and receiving two very different but both highly knowledgeable responses have seen fit to respond to both with very derogatory comments.

I know that you describe yourself as really a very "nice" guy but you need to accept that you yourself have allowed yourself to behave here in a not completely nice way, to two people that are just trying to respond thoughtfully to your request.

Posted by: chatter

I disagree. I think my anger came through in a very humoristic way.

You knew I was upset and should just cut me some slack. Believe me...........if that's as bad as I get.........everyone should be thankful.

By the way, I'm with my kids tonight watching American Idol and I'm much better. I just had a bitter spell this afternoon.

I love my kids. They brighten my day. Although they did ask me questions about the divorce at dinner tonight.

I think my oldest wants us to get divorced hoping that since I'm in a new place I'll get a puppy. My ex-wife has severe allergies and never would allow them to have pets. I guess they think I"ll change all that.

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by chatter
I disagree. I think my anger came through in a very humoristic way.

You knew I was upset and should just cut me some slack. Believe me...........if that's as bad as I get.........everyone should be thankful.

You gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your prince..

At least that's what they say to girls, anyway.

I think you are a funny and nice guy, Chatter. Everybody has their bad days once in while..

Posted by: chatter

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Originally posted by FlashingEyes
Chatter,

Just something for you to think about... you have asked for help, and receiving two very different but both highly knowledgeable responses have seen fit to respond to both with very derogatory comments.

I know that you describe yourself as really a very "nice" guy but you need to accept that you yourself have allowed yourself to behave here in a not completely nice way, to two people that are just trying to respond thoughtfully to your request.

I am a nice guy, DAMMIT!!!!

I'm also very modest and humble.

Can't you tell?

Posted by: Lola

you can recognize scammers following these patterns

· You found his ad on a free-to-post-personals website
· His personal ad is listed on several free-to-post personal websites
· His personal ad has very little information posted
· His personal ad has too much ’flowery’ narrative
· His personal ad has a broad or simplistic description of his personality and preferences
· His personal ad has the same description or information as others
· His personal ad indicates a very large (e.g. 20 – 60 years) acceptable age range
· His personal ad indicates not preference for age, race or religion

· He initiates the contact with you
· He replied to your ad listed on a membership dating site that he can’t afford
· He asks for your phone number and calls you directly for more than one minute

· He writes overly tender letters at the very beginning of your correspondence
· He flatters you too much or thinks you are perfect
· He doesn’t ask many personal questions
· He is too curious about your financial circumstances
· He falls in love very fast
· He uses the words “honesty”, “trust”, “love” and “Sex” frequently
· He writes long dreamy and poetic monologues and doesn’t personalize his letters
· He uses CAPITAL letters on key words
· He responds to your letters frequently and usually very quickly
· He sends his letters during a time he should be sleeping or working
· He sends the same letters that other men have written to other women
· He usually writes very long letters and rarely short notes
· He doesn’t answer your direct questions even after repeated attempts
· He repeats things that have already been mentioned a in the past
· He addresses a letter to you by the wrong name
· He only uses your name once at the beginning of the letter
· He asks questions about subjects that you have already answered in the past
· He makes it a point to tell you about his business success/problems without you asking
· He openly discusses or mentions his “financial/family problems”
· He has a computer at home with internet access but doesn’t appear online in the evenings and days off
· His incom marked at $75,000 to $100,000 a year without having the education and the career (as indicated in his profile) to support that claim
· He is more than 15 years older than you
· He claims not to have the problems with libido
· He has extensive russian travel experience
· He would rather have dinner at your home than cafe

· He insist to visit you after few weeks of your correspondens
· He insists you to make him invitation to visit you for your expenses, promising to give you money back when he arrive to Moscow
· He asks to order hotel/apartment
· He wants you to do all this as soon as possible
· He is indignant if you don’t all this when requested
· He insits to stay at your home during his visit
· He gets mad if you reject him
· His photos are always so fuzzy or far away even his mother can't recognize it, or he's wearing big sunglasses that show off his body but hide his identity
· He sends a new photo with every letter
· Each new photo is number sequentially (1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg, etc.)
· He sends his naked photos
· The names of his photos are numbered above “10” (e.g. “015.jpg”, “025.jpg”)
· He doesn’t have simple snapshots taken around his home or with his friends, family or pet
· Photos in his profile and those pictures he sent to you don’t look like the same person
· He refuses to give you his address
· He always has the problems with his home phone and and he can give you only his cell phone number
· He refuses to give you his phone number even after repeated request
· He uses a free e-mail service (hotmail, yahoo and so on)
· His photo or name is listed as a known or suspected scammer on antidate sites

· If you meet, he requests you both stay at one room or insists on having sex
· If you meet, he has limited or infrequent time available to spend with you

Posted by: fly4fun

Interesting list. Not sure I agree with all of them but everyone has an opinion. LOL

The only thing I disagree with completely is the numbering of photos. Many people use the internet but are not really computer savvy. Hence they take the photos direct from their digital camera which, in fact, number them.
If they are using some of the software that comes with the camera they would have to figure out how to change the file name of a photo before sending it while it would be easy to just send it using the original file (number) name.
Example:
Here is an actual file number off my Olympus
P9100003.jpg An easy convert when saving this image is 3.jpg

On a side note, I'm guilty of not addressing the person I'm writing to directly. (I'm working on it) The reason? I write many, many emails per day, work related, and over the years I've begun to think of email as simply the continuing of a conversation rather than an actual letter..
I actually checked some of my emails from friends and family and found they are all doing the same thing. Nobody says, hello again Bob, they just continue the conversation.
Poor letter writing to be sure but seems to be wide spread.

Posted by: jpierce55

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Originally posted by Lola
you can recognize scammers following these patterns

· His personal ad has a broad or simplistic description of his personality and preferences
· He initiates the contact with you
·· He uses the words “honesty”, “trust”, and frequently
· He responds to your letters frequently and usually very quickly
· He sends his letters during a time he should be working
· He usually writes very long letters and rarely short notes
· He repeats things that have already been mentioned a in the past
· He only uses your name once at the beginning of the letter
· He makes it a point to tell you about his business success/problems without you asking
· He openly discusses or mentions his “financial/family problems”
· He refuses to give you his address
· He uses a free e-mail service (hotmail, yahoo and so on)

All be darned, I am a scammer?????

Really I agree with most of the things you said but not all, including (but not limited to) what I listed above. Of course it depends on what you call family problems, I mentioned once that my sisters wedding is delayed because she had an accident and broke her eye socket. It depends on what you mean about business success/problems. I mentioned to Elena when I got a new job? I never offer my address at first, just in case she is a scammer, it seems I have a nack for choosing them.

I use free email because my internet providers service eats its own emails.

Sometimes I do work the name in more than once, it depends on if it fits. Usually I do not.

Lola, would you agree that a feeling that something is wrong is the biggest indicator. I have read that and so far it seems to be true.

Posted by: Ade

Hi,

From my personal experience of RW, I'd say the scammers are the ones who don't threaten to kill you on a regular basis

Ade

Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Great ways to recognize a scammer....

#10) when you sent her the $400.00 for her "visa" and she suddenly disapears

#9) When she stops responding to your emails when you actually have a drop dead date of your arrival to vist her....

#8) When she need you to help her with email cafe, sick gecko/mom/sister/brother/uncle/has a bad accident!

#7)You show up, she shows up but all she wants to do is party, party, party, party.

#6) You show up, she shows up and all she wants to do is shop, shop, shop on your money.

#5) Yous show up, she shows up and she cant stand to be alone with you. You always have to be around other people doing things that give you no alone time to communicate... usually in a combination of #7 and #6... if she is really good she brings a freind for you to buy for too!

#4) You show up, she shows up but she isn't interested in you and lacks the integrity to tell you.

#3) You show up, she shows up and she con's you into believing she loves you and is "saving herself for you alone once we are married." This includes anthing remotely close to anything more than holding hands... may reluctantly kiss you occasionally. Often will offer her check at the last minute.

#2) You show up she shows up... she stays with you and plays the "role" of girl friend. There may be blatent signs the guy often over looks becuase he is focused on what he wants instead of seeing things as they really are... almost always big red flags though.

#1) She is a gifted actress and you believe she loves you. You do K1/k3 She arrives as your fiancee/wife wants nothing to do with you. Within 2-3 weeks the police show up at work, you've been banned from your own home because she has filed a false claim of domestic violence and you are stuck with the totally untenable legal position of trying to prove something DIDN'T happen (hence the legal concept of innocent until proven guilty.) Meanwhile, she is emptying your home of all your possesions, trashing your home and you get stuck with 40 quarters of financial assistance unless you can prove visa fraud.... GOOD LUCK!

BTW this is HUMOR....with an element of truth.

Posted by: ham

Quote:

Originally posted by RobOhioGuy
Great ways to recognize a scammer....

#10) when you sent her the $400.00 for her "visa" and she suddenly disapears

#9) When she stops responding to your emails when you actually have a drop dead date of your arrival to vist her....

#8) When she need you to help her with email cafe, sick gecko/mom/sister/brother/uncle/has a bad accident!

#7)You show up, she shows up but all she wants to do is party, party, party, party.

#6) You show up, she shows up and all she wants to do is shop, shop, shop on your money.

#5) Yous show up, she shows up and she cant stand to be alone with you. You always have to be around other people doing things that give you no alone time to communicate... usually in a combination of #7 and #6... if she is really good she brings a freind for you to buy for too!

#4) You show up, she shows up but she isn't interested in you and lacks the integrity to tell you.

#3) You show up, she shows up and she con's you into believing she loves you and is "saving herself for you alone once we are married." This includes anthing remotely close to anything more than holding hands... may reluctantly kiss you occasionally. Often will offer her check at the last minute.

#2) You show up she shows up... she stays with you and plays the "role" of girl friend. There may be blatent signs the guy often over looks becuase he is focused on what he wants instead of seeing things as they really are... almost always big red flags though.

#1) She is a gifted actress and you believe she loves you. You do K1/k3 She arrives as your fiancee/wife wants nothing to do with you. Within 2-3 weeks the police show up at work, you've been banned from your own home because she has filed a false claim of domestic violence and you are stuck with the totally untenable legal position of trying to prove something DIDN'T happen (hence the legal concept of innocent until proven guilty.) Meanwhile, she is emptying your home of all your possesions, trashing your home and you get stuck with 40 quarters of financial assistance unless you can prove visa fraud.... GOOD LUCK!

BTW this is HUMOR....with an element of truth.

no, no, nooo!
they are poor women formerly victims of abusive, lying, cheap, ugly etc WESTERN MEN seeking revenge...gone are the days when the poor jobless drinking human waste were RUSSIAN MEN...

Posted by: vanir

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· You found his ad on a free-to-post-personals website
· His personal ad is listed on several free-to-post personal websites

He doesn't have credit cards.

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· His personal ad has very little information posted
· His personal ad has too much ’flowery’ narrative
· His personal ad has a broad or simplistic description of his personality and preferences
· His personal ad has the same description or information as others

He probably even wants to get to know me.

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· His personal ad indicates a very large (e.g. 20 – 60 years) acceptable age range
· His personal ad indicates not preference for age, race or religion

Next he'll be saying that black people are okay.

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· He initiates the contact with you

He thought it was an internet dating service or something.

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· He replied to your ad listed on a membership dating site that he can’t afford

He failed my minimum $200K per year income requirement.

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· He asks for your phone number and calls you directly for more than one minute

He has a higher IQ than me. Burning the extra calories thinking harder to be manipulative will throw my whole diet out of whack.

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· He writes overly tender letters at the very beginning of your correspondence
· He flatters you too much or thinks you are perfect
· He doesn’t ask many personal questions

I only accept this kind of behavior from men I have divorced. And it serves them right, too.

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· He is too curious about your financial circumstances

He started questioning me when I asked him for money.

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· He falls in love very fast
· He uses the words “honesty”, “trust”, “love” and “Sex” frequently
· He writes long dreamy and poetic monologues and doesn’t personalize his letters

I want him to slap me and call me bad names when we do it.

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· His incom marked at $75,000 to $100,000 a year without having the education and the career (as indicated in his profile) to support that claim

I think he may not in fact be the Romanian royal prince I expected to find waiting for me on the internet.

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· He claims not to have the problems with libido

I have redirected my own libido into general cruelty. I am no longer interested in sex anyway, just pay me money. Lots and lots of money so I can pretend I don't want it.

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· He would rather have dinner at your home than cafe

I am beginning to suspect he may have a more complex personality than I read about in womens magazines.

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· He uses a free e-mail service (hotmail, yahoo and so on)

And he doesn't even own a yacht.

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· If you meet, he requests you both stay at one room or insists on having sex

It's just so ingrained in me, women get paid for that sort of thing, dammit.

LOL.

I'm just kidding around, don't take this post too seriously.