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Belarus uprise - after Kyrgystan
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Posted by: Jutman

Hi

The opposition tries one more time in Belarus go ret rid of Pr. Lusakenko with a demonstration follwoed by arrests and so on.

This is after the 1st nigth. I will be interesting to follow..

Posted by: Eryk

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Originally posted by Jutman
Hi

The opposition tries one more time in Belarus go ret rid of Pr. Lusakenko with a demonstration follwoed by arrests and so on.

This is after the 1st nigth. I will be interesting to follow..

Don't hold your breath. I was at the demonstration and there is no way a few hundred students and disgruntled market stall vendors are going to overthrow the goverment. Klimov is an idiot anyway so even if they did get batka out it would not be much of an improvement.

Eryk

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

And furthermore, what scares me is that even if they did get batka out some sort of Soros, Berezovski or another big fish from the financial nationality will take over behind the scenes.

It's kind of like countries in that part of Europe are, for some past sins of something, damned to have to choose between lesser and greater evils.

Posted by: Eryk

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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA
And furthermore, what scares me is that even if they did get batka out some sort of Soros, Berezovski or another big fish from the financial nationality will take over behind the scenes.

Maybe, maybe not. The Poles and Lithuanians have been scheming for quite a while now, the latest visible event being a special conference in Vilnius regarding the promotion of democracy in Belarus. The Belarusian government were not invited to attend

Presidential elections are in 2006 here. I suspect there will be a credible challenger with sufficient financial backing by then ...but for most of 2005 I expect the Polish-Lithuanian axis to keep their powder dry.

Eryk

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

Eryk, I don't treat the current gvt in Poland as a real Polish gvt. These are the sons and grandsons of those red scoundrels forced upon Poland with bolshevik tanks and bayonettes. The majority of decisions they make are contrary to Polish interests ... just like present "Polish" policy (promoted by Brussels) towards Belarus. If the West is boycotting Belarus because of all that "human rights" and "democracy" propaganda then Poland should take up the slack and fill the power vaccum ... or else we are leaving Belarus very little choice but dependancy on Russia.

Posted by: Eryk

>>I don't treat the current gvt in Poland >>as a real Polish gvt. These are the sons >>and grandsons of those red scoundrels >>forced upon Poland with bolshevik >>tanks and bayonettes.

Things like this don't depend on 'politicians' (who are naturally obsessed with the domestic electorate), but more on career civil servants and diplomats who quite deliberately keep there names and face out of the papers.

>>The majority of decisions they make >>are contrary to Polish interests ... >>just like present "Polish" policy >>(promoted by Brussels) towards >>Belarus.

More the other way around. The Poles and the Balts are the ones pushing Belarus onto the Brussels agenda, not the other way around. Same goes for Ukraine.

>>If the West is boycotting Belarus >>because of all that "human rights" >>and "democracy" propaganda then >>Poland should take up the slack and >>fill the power vaccum

The west isn't 'boycotting' Belarus at all. The Belarusian government is being deliberately isolated, but engagement with other parts of society (NGOs, Oppostion parties etc.) is being stepped up markedly. Even the USA has got in on the act via the "Belarus Democracy Act".

Eryk

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

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Things like this don't depend on 'politicians' (who are naturally obsessed with the domestic electorate), but more on career civil servants and diplomats who quite deliberately keep there names and face out of the papers.

And most of those civil servants and bureaucrats also come from that same old communist nomenklatura. They think more of lining they pockets and providing for their families than about the duties they should be concerned with as civil servants. These people are used to listening to foreign power centers (before it was Moscow, now it's Brussels and Berlin) because their careers and income depend on it.

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The west isn't 'boycotting' Belarus at all. The Belarusian government is being deliberately isolated, but engagement with other parts of society (NGOs, Oppostion parties etc.) is being stepped up markedly. Even the USA has got in on the act via the "Belarus Democracy Act".

By isolating the gvt the West is, de facto, isolating the country. THey should not be concerned whether Belarus is a democarcy or a batkocracy ... and besides, the gvt of red China does things that make the Belarus gvt seem like babies ... and yet no one is isolating the red Chinese gang of bandits ... perdon, government ... and that's because the West feels it can get away with persecuting a little, weak Slavic country between Poland and Russia, but that same West craps in its panties when it comes to the rulers of red China.

Posted by: Jutman

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..but that same West craps in its panties when it comes to the rulers of red China.

And who did start the economical succes of China ?? The American companies, but of course also others.
USA has a trade deficit of about 540 billion USD. Which 10% come from China.

Source: world factbook

And USA (and EU etc) trow Taiwan out from UN and IOC back in the 70ies, and instead came China.

So sorry amigo, Washington is'nt a crap better than Bruxells, London, Paris or Berlin.

Posted by: BradIL

Jutman... the US trade deficit could be corrosive over time, I am just wondering when that will happen.

The US has been running a trade deficit for more than 20 years. There are US economists who believe it can be attributed to the higher growth of the US economy that fuels the appetite for more imports.

Perhaps it is a sign of economic strength, not weakness.

Posted by: Jutman

Hi

my point was just to tell, that America invest big time in China and therefore help develop China economical as well military, derived from the economy and technology.

The import deficit is not a problem, as long you pay for it.

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

I think that a trade deficit is almost always a sign of weakness. It means that you can't pay for what you need, it means that you are a debtor in relation to another country and there is always a problem when you spend more than you make.

Jutman, I am well aware that American (and Western in general)stupidity has beefed up and bolstered red China politically, economically, technologically and militarilly and has made red China into the growing menace that it is today. The famous phrase "I've created a monster" comes to mind. The problem is that a neccessary and radical change of policy towards China does not seem to be forthcoming.

It appears that people are still naive and ignorant towards the red Chinese danger.