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Example of how a man might scam a Russian woman... (Lena's friend's true experience)
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Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to post for you a letter that a good friend of Lena's (who lives in Belarus) received...

I am changing everyon's names so that privacy can be protected, but this letter illustrates how a Western man can also "scam" a Russian woman.

Here is the email that Lena's friend just received:

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Dear Olga!

My name is Elizabeth, and I have something important to communicate to you.
I have been in an intense relationship with John for the past 11
months. At this very moment he is at work, and doesn't know that I am writing to you, as well as that i have discovered that he still have intention of bringing you here. He has told me that he has ended his relationship with you, and pretend that he wants to stay with me and mary me when the time comes to do so. He never wonted me to know his e-mail password, he thinks that I should trust him to be honest with me. I have discovered your e-mails to him by chance and to my shock found out that he still
calls you, and that he has sent you all the documents for the visa.
Today when he returns he will find out that he is not welcome into my home and hart any more, so he will be free to do as he pleases. I should worn you to think twice before you get involved with him, since he has lied to you as well as to me. One more thing before I finish this e-mail: He is not working as much as he has told you. He has every weekend free, and recently has had a holiday of four weeks. He probably tells that he works a lot when he can not contact you since he is with me most of the time. Dear Olga, I am sorry to tell you all this but you should know the truth even if it brings you pain, as it has done to me.
Now, it is up to you to decide, but at least you know what to expect from him.

Regards, Elizabeth

*****

Keep in mind that Lena's friend has been communicating with this man for two years, and that she prepared two invitations for this man to come to visit her, but each time the man provided a reason that he could not come at the last minute.

Also keep in mind that this man had just sent Lena's friend some money through Western Union one or two weeks ago. (The man stated that he wanted to marry Lena's friend, and that he was absolutely in love with her).

I am also going to post a letter that Lena received from him at the end of November after I post this...

Again, I think that it is good to post the other side of the scammer story....

Khashyar

Posted by: Khashyar

Here is a letter that Lena received from the man at the end of November 2004 (3 1/2 months ago). Again, I have changed the names in the letter....

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Dear Lena, I am sorry it has taken me a week to answer you, but I did not check my emails for a few days because the company I work for needed me to work many hours to get some international orders filled.

I will get straight to the point because I know that is what you need to know more than anything.

I have been planning to see Olga for just over a year now and I have been writing to her since april 2003.

Last year I fell through the roof of one of my customers houses, I do not know whether Olga told you that but she knows about it.

I broke five of my ribs my wrist and had a fluid build up in my lungs from it and my heart was put under strain.

I spent 32 days in the critical care ward in Modbury hospital.

All that was not too bad, but I have had to struggle up until recently to get all the hospital bills paid and I lost my main business as a result of it.

I feel better now, but both Olga and I have had an incredibly hard time dealing with being separated because of it

I returned to another workplace in Jaunuary and have been working as hard and as many hours as I can to repay everyone and get myself over to Belarus.

But yes I do love her and yes I will be with her.

I have gone through the worst of everything now, except for the fact that it is killing Olga and I being apart.

Olga will receive the invitation for me soon and I will organise my visa as soon as I receive it.

I understand how you feel.

I have spent what spare time I do have thinking about how this has affected Olga.

I send her money, but that is not being with her.

I have wanted to tell you exactly what did happen to me, and that is it without the horrible details.

I will be with Olga, and that is purely because I have never seen that anyperson could be the mother of my children until now.

I do not mean just that she would make a good mother, I also mean that she is the only person I have ever thought I can spend the rest of my life with.

I will write about this in more detail so you can understand exactly what happened, but I have to go to work again.

I actually feel happy that you have done this for Olga even though it upset me because it shows that you are a true friend to her.

But I promise you I will see Olga and if she will have me I will marry her.

Thankyou.
sincerely
John

Posted by: AkMike

Poor "Olga" and "Elizabeth! "John" has acted very poorly with both of these women. Why would he do it like this? Some warped mentality wanting to have his cake and eat it too? It's sad.

Posted by: Khashyar

Maybe it seemed fun for him, or perhaps he really cared for "Olga", but had a hard time remaining faithful...

But, yes, his actions hurt two people.

Khashyar

Posted by: AkMike

I'd say that he's hurt all 3. Because of his lack of morals he's hurt himself also. People like that always seem to care just for them selves reguardless of how others feel. They won't ever feel the unity when 2 merge into ONE.
One guy I know here says he's 'catch and release only', I think he'd be more of a catch and throw back type.

Posted by: Khashyar

Yes, I'd agree that "John" has hurt himself too...

When you hurt other people, especially knowingly, I believe that it impacts you in a negative way (at least by causing a feeling of guilt at knowing that you have hurt another intentionally).

Well... I know that Lena's friend is a very good person, and I am sure that she will find the right person for herself...

I also wanted to point out that everyone is human and has their immature moments. I know that I did some immature things in my life. It is important to learn from them so that you can gain wisdom.

I think that the real self-imposed suffering is when you are doing something that you KNOW is wrong, and yet you do it anyway.... I hope that he learns a lesson from all of this.

Khashyar

Posted by: AkMike

Is or was "John " on this board?

Posted by: Khashyar

I'm not sure if he ever posted here.

I don't believe that he did.

Posted by: AkMike

Bummer, I hope that he at least reads this post, just to get a better idea of the gravity of the situation he's caused to bth of these women.

I think our Brittish brothers would call him a "Cad"?

Posted by: Texas Proud

Sorry to hear about Lena's friend... it is a shame she has wasted two years with this guy... I hope she has a few other men that she was writing as it would be a real tradegy if she has to start from scratch..

I have a friend who was treated badly, as he kept lying to her and stealing from her.. she has finally wised up and got rid of him... it is not anything on her side that she should feel ashamed, but I am sure her heart was in the 'relationship' and it is hurt...

Tell her there are good men here and to keep looking!!

Posted by: Jill

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I think our Brittish brothers would call him a "Cad"?

Hmmmm......I certainly know what I would call him

Posted by: lester

Not a cad,
but word starts with letter C

Suitable punishment?

Posted by: Khashyar

Yes, I think that Lena's friend understands that she needs to move on finally from "John"...

She was extremely loyal to him during the past 2 years (even though they have never met in person), but she finally understands that she needs to move on..

She is a good person and I'm sure that she'll do fine in her life...

Khashyar

Posted by: ham

the lesson hereby confirmed is that:
1. the www/ld/mob world abounds of liars, pretenders & novelty seekers of any creed, shape & race.
2. that never-ending e-romance is just a way (for one party) to have fun and/or to feed their chipped shoulder without any intention of having a real, in person relationship.

This includes men who do not travel there & never would ( only about 3-4% men do ever travel to the FSU ); and includes so many ( both men & women ) who are in a domestic relationship & escape to the www/ld/mob dreamland to "get even" for real life failures & frustrations.
FSUWs cultivating "american dreams" of sort; and WMs chasing hotties 1/3 their age or living a "cyber-life".

Posted by: AkMike

Ham, Where do you get that 3-4% figure? Is it based on someone who writes just a letter or 2? Or just based on hits on a website?

Posted by: ham

Actually i don't remember.
there were some remarks in the INS papers.
I once perused their site carefully & posted my findings at the late RWA forum.
The new RWA forum decided to re-publish them

I have read this estimate over & over & i think i once read along this line on some embassy website.

Who knows...
What's certain is INS numbers (however outdated) talk about a few HUNDREDS MOBs a year (0,21% of US yearly immigration!!).
Hence there cannot be so many more men walking the walk (not just talking).
Even if those figures are old, i do NOT think the figure is today more than 0,5% of US immigration ( that's zero dot ) AND THAT FIGURE INCLUDES FSUWs, Philipino women, south Americans etc etc.

Posted by: lechef

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Originally posted by AkMike
I'd say that he's hurt all 3. Because of his lack of morals he's hurt himself also. People like that always seem to care just for them selves reguardless of how others feel. They won't ever feel the unity when 2 merge into ONE.
One guy I know here says he's 'catch and release only', I think he'd be more of a catch and throw back type.

If you have a lack of morals then how can you hurt your self when you have no morals to instill hurt?

Posted by: AkMike

Ok, Touche`!!! Point taken.

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

Both my lady and our Zionist acquaintance (from Moscow, but in US since 88') can tell you plenty of stories about Russian women scammed by American guys and winding up in battered women's shelters for which both my lady and our mutual friend worked.

Posted by: BradIL

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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA: Both my lady and our Zionist acquaintance (from Moscow, but in US since 88') can tell you plenty of stories about Russian women scammed by American guys and winding up in battered women's shelters for which both my lady and our mutual friend worked.

Pawel lets not go down this path in this thread. I reply by saying I know plenty of men who have been punched, hit with objects, beer bottles to the face and head with stitch scars still showing. Abusive relationships include men AND women, of course men are expected to SUCK IT UP, never show any emotion, and just roll on with their life and meet the demands of everyone else. There are no shelters for them.

I think its a pity John caused such pain. Its good to know Elizabeth cared enough to alert Olga to the situation. I wonder if Elizabeth is still seeing John? I bet Elizabeth is giving John a piece of her mind, for both her & Olga, and is probably enjoying it!

My message to Olga would be: So you have discovered the person you were in love with is carrying on a relationship behind your back? Welcome to the club of the burned... been there---done that. You feel rotten don't you? Thank God no one is around to tell you to "take it like a man"!

Khashyar--- actually I appreciate you posting the story.

I don't want to leave this as totally saracastic and cynical... but I would ask Elizabeth & Olga... why is John having a confidence problem with both of you? Be introspective... have either of you done something, said something, that would make him so unsure of each you that he maintains 2 relationships at once?

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Brad , you are correct in saying that man AND women can be equally abusive. In studies in the UK it was found that men and women were found to be roughly identical in terms of the initiation of abuse - ie starting of abuse. In both men and women it begins with some form of unprovoked verbal , or physical assault. What is obvious is that women tend to iniate all attacks by first using words - ie an unprovocked insult , derogatory term which the victim has no idea has been said whereas men do not usually use words first. In so far as the case studies show ( there is more data for abused females than for abused males-) female physical abuse tends to result in worse injuries. But where a female initiates a physical assualt it is usually by using some form of weapon be it a gun , a knife or a hammer - men usually ( because of weight/ size ration ) use thier own body. So in terms of the outcome of an assult both are severe but female assualt can be more life threatening due to the fact that a weapon is usually used eg beer bottle, knife , scissors. glowing cigarette butt etc.
The police in my country are slowly changing thier procedures with regard to female on male assault but it is highly likely that a male would either be ignored or arrested if he were to go to the police because in the absence of video footage ( any homes have these ?) there can be no proof of who initiated the attack . Moreover once a women brings an allegation of abuse the man is to all intents and purposes viewed as the abuser.

The blame for all this lies with the outdated feminist theories which view all men as abusers and all women as helpless waifs.
Feminism has moved on and so should police procedures in the UK.

Posted by: BradIL

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Originally posted by rattlesnake6979: The police in my country are slowly changing thier procedures with regard to female on male assault but it is highly likely that a male would either be ignored or arrested if he were to go to the police because in the absence of video footage ( any homes have these ?) there can be no proof of who initiated the attack . Moreover once a women brings an allegation of abuse the man is to all intents and purposes viewed as the abuser.

rattlesnake, I appreciate this and other statements in your post. I was hesitant to write what I did, I don't want to diminish what has happened to Lena's friend, Olga. I prefer to write with facts in hand, and on this occassion, I didn't have so many facts to post. I was apprehensive to say much more, but am aware of this problem in America, and your references to domestic violence in the UK is most welcome.

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rattlesnake 6979 also writes: The blame for all this lies with the outdated feminist theories which view all men as abusers and all women as helpless waifs.

But this antiquated theory is still alive and kicking in America. Just this week I ran across it several times--- at full volume in full fury. It is so depressing.

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rattlesnake6979 also writes: Feminism has moved on and so should police procedures in the UK.

I wonder if feminism has moved on. I wonder if these antiquated theories (which seem to refuse to die) will always be around, a burden on every man's back, not only for the rest of our lives, but for the next several generations. What do you think?

Posted by: inlove

When it comes to Russian/American relationship, RW has, basically, no rights at all for the first 2-3 years of the ajustment of status. During this period her American husband can throw her out on the street, send her back to Russia, organize her deportation, or do as he wishes. Large number of men exercise this opportunity, unfortunately..

Posted by: BradIL

Well inlove... an explanation is in order.

What constitutes a "large" number of men?

Why are so "many" RW thrown out?

RW are not US citizens, reside in the US on a trial basis, would you suggest that once they receive a fiance visa they have a right to live in the US?

Posted by: FlashingEyes

I say they SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT to live here. In fact I feel so strongly about it I say we build a big statue right in New York harbour and at the base of this statue write:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Posted by: Pin Boy

i'm gonna back up here on this thread from the beginning...

initially i thought that "elizabeth" was trying to run a con somehow...the letter seemed to lack concrete proof that this relationship existed...she seemed rather casual about learning of "john's" online infidelity...i didn't get a sense of outrage on "elizabeth's" part...anyone else get that impression?

but i guess this situation occurred as described and the guy was just stringing along a girl on the net for whatever strange reason...to spend two years and not get anything out of it - i mean some emotional or physical intimacy, not money - just seems plain weird!!!

but as was commented the world and web is filled with all kinds of weird characters.

amazing that olga in belarus was faithful, as khashyar described, for this length of time....

just plain old bizarre, but almost nothing shocks me anymore.

pb

Posted by: BradIL

Very clever Flash:

Hey the Statue of Liberty... and its famous poem... are wonderful sentiments.

Yes--- entering the US is an important PRIVILEGE!

Posted by: BradIL

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Originally posted by Pin Boy: i'm gonna back up here on this thread from the beginning... initially i thought that "elizabeth" was trying to run a con somehow...the letter seemed to lack concrete proof that this relationship existed...she seemed rather casual about learning of "john's" online infidelity...i didn't get a sense of outrage on "elizabeth's" part...anyone else get that impression?

but i guess this situation occurred as described and the guy was just stringing along a girl on the net for whatever strange reason...to spend two years and not get anything out of it - i mean some emotional or physical intimacy, not money - just seems plain weird!!!

Pin Boy I have read both letters again- twice. Elizabeth is a bit of a mystery... she's been prodding John to provide details of his relationship w/Olga... he says its over. She starts spying on him. Elizabeth experiences "pain". Meanwhile, Olga is in Belarus... and John is stringing her along... and... you are right- he is getting nothing out of his relationship w/Olga... I mean it does get weird.

Only thing is Olga has a broken heart, and doesn't know what she did wrong (if anything), and is stuck in Belarus and can't even try to attempt to see if the problems here can be resolved. To this end... Khashyar & Lena are right--- the woman is hurtin'--- and there's not much anyone can do for her.

John is a paradox... something is definitely NOT firing off right with Elizabeth... Olga... or someone else.

Posted by: ham

INS studies showed the following:
a) that abuse in MOB marriages is 1%
b) that it is not quantifiable.
I had posted links to my findings with INS URLs but they have been deleted.
Now if some bulldyke feminist & some hindu feminist can agree abuse is either 1% or less, then there MUST be some truth to it.

These are INS findings, not my opinion.
From which stems all this weeping into one's cheerios mourning poor, helpless breast-bearers axe-ground by evil penis bearers is out of line.

Posted by: Jill

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The blame for all this lies with the outdated feminist theories which view all men as abusers and all women as helpless waifs.

Sorry, rattle, but this is the compete opposite of feminism and it is precisely this attitude that feminism is against. The whole point of feminism is the women are NOT helpless victims

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by BradIL
Well inlove... an explanation is in order.

What constitutes a "large" number of men?

I don't have any statistics handy, but I came accross quite a few cases in real life, as well as online.

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Why are so "many" RW thrown out?

My guess would be because the relationship does not work out. There might be a lot of reasons behind it, for the purposes of the argument it does not matter.

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RW are not US citizens, reside in the US on a trial basis, would you suggest that once they receive a fiance visa they have a right to live in the US?

I would say that a man who brings his wife from another country has to realize the responsibility and the consequences of his actions. If marriage does not work out, you, as an AM, lose next to nothing, she, on the other hand, has moved here, losing her job in Russia, often her apartment, severing ties with frends and business network, uprooting her children, if she has any, etc. Not counting cultural shock, new language, and many many more aspects of moving into another country. RW depends on her american husband entirely for the first couple years.. Unfortunately, there are enough bad people who love to take the advantage of this situation.
So.. I think.. Foreign wifes should have a right to stay here, even if the marriage does not work out and they cannot get a lawful status via it. If there is physical abuse involved she has a right to file charges against the husband, and process her green card papers without him.. That's where this INS statistics is from..It is if she has money for legal help.. In majority of cases there is no proved physical abuse, he just does not like her anymore, and the system allows him to get rid of her the same way he would have gotten rid of an annoying dog.

Posted by: ham

feminism & other "equal rights" charades are basically envy & anger under a paper thin philosophical cover.
While any of them is the byproduct of (white)(lazy)(wealthy)males ( ex Karl Marx who married a wealthy woman & never worked his lifelong, living on annuities provided to his buddy Engels by Engels' father, owner of hellish factories in England. Then write, talkative faddist, write... ), the assumption is nice:
ABC, XYZ are equal, if not better than (white) males at doing whatever.
Fine: prove it.
No, they (unfortunately) cannot prove it right now & need ( for a few centuries to gather speed ) "affirmative actions" to show other impaired victims of (white) men that they too can do it.
They beg (white) men to exert restraint, in order for them to show how equal they are.
They cannot compete 1:1, so they need further legal rights & special provisions.
Rather than equality, it looks like a crippled, angry man needing crutches.

Posted by: Vyesna

You tell 'em brother!

Posted by: Clarita

Nobody doubts that this second woman exists? Tjis kind of letters are often used by men themselves.

By the way, you all post so easy ALL personal information of russian women who you think are "POSSIBLE" scammers , theirs full names, emails, often addresses and of course, photos, and you keep so "privacy" of a man who looks pretty suspicious? Good example of double standards!

Posted by: Vyesna

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Originally posted by inlove

So.. I think.. Foreign wifes should have a right to stay here, even if the marriage does not work out and they cannot get a lawful status via it. If there is physical abuse involved she has a right to file charges against the husband, and process her green card papers without him.. That's where this INS statistics is from..It is if she has money for legal help.. In majority of cases there is no proved physical abuse, he just does not like her anymore, and the system allows him to get rid of her the same way he would have gotten rid of an annoying dog.

I agree that she should be able to stay, but she shouldn't necessarily have a special right to alimony.

Posted by: ham

Most pictures on antiscam sites are fake or stolen pictures anyway.
Just today on another forum, a scammer got caught under what looks like "her" third or fourth identity.
I still think AT LEAST half of the supposed female scammers are MEN using fake/stolen pics & perhaps in a few cases hiring some woman's identity against a % of the profits.
Hence i don't see all this issue about privacy.

Posted by: Clarita

And I am sure that at least half of these women are victims of men who want revenge. It shows experience of women who write to us.

Posted by: ham

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So.. I think.. Foreign wifes should have a right to stay here, even if the marriage does not work out and they cannot get a lawful status via it. If there is physical abuse involved she has a right to file charges against the husband, and process her green card papers without him.. That's where this INS statistics is from..It is if she has money for legal help.. In majority of cases there is no proved physical abuse, he just does not like her anymore, and the system allows him to get rid of her the same way he would have gotten rid of an annoying dog.

Stereotypical "special interest" representation of a situation we have encountered one time or another.
You choose an university faculty because newspapers say it's going to pay well.
By the time you graduate, there is shortage of jobs & you end up unemployed.
Now where are Karl Marx, Kunta Kinte, bulldykes & Luther King?

You receive or solicit an offer from a company 3000km away because you have 999 good reasons to think that's an improvement.
You relocate & give your previous job up.
After a short while, the new company has to cut jobs; or you were meant to be an interim one or, or, or: you are at ground zero.
Now where are Karl Marx, Kunta Kinte, bulldykes & Luther King?

Your sweetheart asks you to relocate because her dream job is elsewhere.
You relocate & six months later she has an affair with the milkman & you're stood up.
Now where are Karl Marx, Kunta Kinte, bulldykes & Luther King?

The ABC cries himself hoarse because "racist" criticize his fat lips, or skin color or ridiculous spelling or else...
He calls that "hatred".
There you have Karl Marx, Kunta Kinte, bulldykes & Luther King.

You are just a non-special-interest person who is laughed at or made fun of because you are (too) fat, (too) bald, (too) poor or else.
Karl Marx, Kunta Kinte, bulldykes & Luther King say you ought to grow up & that's "lack of chemistry" the reason the bimbo model dislikes you, not hatred.

rubbish.

Posted by: ham

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And I am sure that at least half of these women are victims of men who want revenge. It shows experience of women who write to us.

hahaha!

They don't want any revenge.
They can hardly spell western union or moneygram correctly.
They want money like street muggers do.

But i'm unconcerned: it's enough to send no $ & if they scream too loud, tell them to f-ck off.

Posted by: dakotaridge

I'd like to bring up an alternative scenario in this situation, purely hypothetical:

What if "John" was a woman and the two women were men?

The reactions of others would be quite different. Basically the men would be told "yeah, she's really s***, forget her and move on" and that would be the end of it. There would be no dissecting, processing or studying the impact this had on the men, as there has been when the "victims" were women.

My point isn't to declare how terrible this imbalance is, but rather to look at why it exists, as objectively as possible. Emotional pain is emotional pain and we can find an infinite number of examples demonstrating that men are every bit as affected by it as women. Yet we handle pain in men as a non-issue, gloss over it and move on. Why? Again: the point isn't to declare how bad things are. The point is to look at why this is the case.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by Clarita
And I am sure that at least half of these women are victims of men who want revenge. It shows experience of women who write to us.

Trust me, when a real connection is present, all that baggage falls by the wayside and it isn't even thought about.

Posted by: BradIL

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Originally posted by Vyesna: I agree that she should be able to stay, but she shouldn't necessarily have a special right to alimony.

BULLSEYE Vyesna!!!

I would only qualify her ability to stay in the US based on the absence of criminal activity. If she is an active case before a grand jury, could her stay be conditional until the grand jury acted, or concluded its probe?

Posted by: BradIL

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Originally posted by inlove: I would say that a man who brings his wife from another country has to realize the responsibility and the consequences of his actions. If marriage does not work out, you, as an AM, lose next to nothing

Now inlove... you are a fellow Illinoisan along with me... you know that is NOT TRUE! Divorce courts in Illinois (or the underlying statutes that govern them) do NOT operate under that theory. Remove children from the argument... ALIMONY... is a concept alive & well in this state! When the issue of diminished economic capacity (from either gender) emerges in a divorce case... EVERY CIRCUIT COURT... slows down the process to evaluate the claim. From Chicago to Cairo that is how the system works... and very effectively.

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inlove also writes: she, on the other hand, has moved here, losing her job in Russia, often her apartment, severing ties with frends and business network, uprooting her children, if she has any, etc. Not counting cultural shock, new language, and many many more aspects of moving into another country. RW depends on her american husband entirely for the first couple years..

Well marriage is disruptive to any life! I agree that moving across half the planet presents its own unique challenges... it also presents its own unique opportunities. RW also enter economic & political systems where the law provides them protection they do not receive in Russia, the ability to earn more money, and a panoply of government benefits that makes her life much more bearable. If I married a RW, and moved to Russia, I would be very reliant on my wife for a couple of years without the same benefits from Russia.

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inlove also writes: So.. I think.. Foreign wifes should have a right to stay here, even if the marriage does not work out and they cannot get a lawful status via it.

There also plenty of foreign women who are dishonest and would exploit the emotions of a WM in order to move to a country that offers superior economic benefits. It is an important PRIVILEGE to be a guest in the US, not a RIGHT.

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inlove also writes: the system allows him to get rid of her the same way he would have gotten rid of an annoying dog.

Soooo... if a RW divorces a WM... is SHE getting rid of him like an annoying dog? Unnecessary attempt to cultivate victimization.

Posted by: dakotaridge

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Originally posted by BradIL
Unnecessary attempt to cultivate victimization.

I saw this same mentality on the Larry Elder show. It was so blatant, I had to laugh while changing the channel. According to that show, and the invariably female shrinks they bring on it, in any conflict between man and woman, the man is unconditionally 100% wrong, has deep psychological issues that he needs to be punished for, Heaven and Earth are moved to establish his inferiority in front of a national television audience, then they move on to the next case. It's amazing, to say the least. Woman complains man doesn't express any love ... it's explained in great detail how the man is inferior, psychologically damaged, and rates somewhere below Charles Manson in the character department. Next couple: man complains that woman doesn't express any love ... it's explained in great detail how the man is inferior, psychologically damaged, and rates somewhere below Charles Manson in the character department. I can't believe any guy agrees to appear on that show. Dr. Phil seems to be a few zillion times more balanced and realistic.

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