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Your preference RW or AW, and why?
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Posted by: rams

I think Russian women make better wives because:

They are more family oriented.

They complain less about trivial matters.

They are better help mates to their husbands.

Yes, I expect to get smoked by some ladies on this, but .... I'd like to see some other opinions.

Posted by: Jill

Well, this is rather repititious in my opinion (as similar discussions have already taken place on RMP) and I am not optimitistic that rehashing the same conversation will be particularly productive. But as you like....

In what sense "more family oriented?" If you mean that they care less about careers than AW, then in general, you are quite mistaken. Many RW care just as much about their careers and their profesisonal development as many AW. VERY few RW are housewives--this is by both choice and necessity, as is the case with AW. In addition, the divorce rate in Russia (according to an article posted by Khashyar) is 80%. THis does not demonstrate extraodinary family commitment to me--and, no, I don't buy the theory that everything bad in Russia can be blamed on RM. That assertion is simpy absurd.

Complain less? Have you ever read the RWA forum? It is nothing but complaining

And actually, the RW I know also tend to complain quite a bit. I'm not faulting them--everyone needs to vent now and then. But the assertion that they don't complain is simply untrue. They do tend to put up with more--no question there. But they complain about it

Better help mates? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by that.

But none of this really matters all that much. If your fiancee embodies these qualities and these are the qualities of the most importance to you, then GREAT! Consider yourself very lucky that you have found a woman who meets (or even exceedes) your expectations.

BUT! Russian women are not all made with a cookie cutter. There is A LOT of variation. Just as there is quite a bit of variation among AW.

And anyway, this just goes back to what I said to you in another thread. This is all individual and the qualities that make up a "good wife" vary from person to person. What one person values about their partner, is not always the same as what another person values. So it's silly to say that one person is objectively "better" than another--sillier still to say that one nationality is "better" than another. Actually, it's not only silly, it's just plain wrong. For example, some people like extroverts and some people like introverts. But one is not "better" than the other. Some people like blondes and some brunettes. And so what? Is one somehow "better"? Of course not--they just appeal to different people in different ways.

Anyway, as I mentioned above, several similar discussions have already taken place on the forum--if you do a quick search you should be able to find many opinions on the subject.

Posted by: alenika

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Originally posted by rams
Your preference RW or AW, and why?

I make no preference for AW or RW %) Such questions remind me of questions of type: what do you like - meat or fish? Meat is good - it gives strength, fish is good, it makes less harm.
But some like meat, others like fish yes? It's a matter of taste.
And if someone likes RW - he always can find good reasonsing for this choice. As well as those who like AW can make good reasoning too.

What I think is that there are good women here and there. It's better to concentrate on Russian women in the case if you want to find someone who is much younger or very attractive, who has less requirements, whom it's possible to use - when marry someone who doesn't know english or laws in another country, maybe it's correct about family values... russian women usually want to marry. But as I could understand American women often want to marry too. I don't think that readiness to marry anybody for the sake of marriage is an advantage.
But what aboutnormal people..I don'tthink it's ok to concentrate only on the women from one country only, considering that they areall good, but all who are outside of that country are all bad.

Posted by: Jill

Ah, I think Alenika said what I was basically trying to say, but was more successful than I was

Posted by: Vyesna

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Originally posted by rams
I think Russian women make better wives because:

They are more family oriented.

They complain less about trivial matters.

They are better help mates to their husbands.

Yes, I expect to get smoked by some ladies on this, but .... I'd like to see some other opinions.

Boring.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Live with any woman for 5 or 6 months and I can assure you that you will no longer say things like this - there are no stereotypes and as far as living with someone it is very different from the idealised images in mens minds.
To parathrase the wife of Billy Graham ,she said that she was tempted to murder him on several occasions( dry humour/ black humour ) so this should be indicative of the reality of wedded bliss.

rattle

Posted by: rams

hee... hee ....

I actually was surrendering, then a little voice inside me said, "Why not throw one last molotov cocktail and watch the flames roar, before you run like hell in retreat".

It was a pretty good cocktail because I can feel the heat from here.

You ladies are tough, you've proven the pen is mightier than the sword.... though I think if I was in a sword fight with you I would look like swiss cheese. I even got Vyesna's blood up a little.

I'm sure the guys understand me.... there is nothing more exhilerating than having a bunch of hot-blooded females coming after you!!!! Whooa ... I glad I'm not within swinging distance of you gals!

Don't worry, I am going to take inlove's advice and change.

I will never, never, never, never, bring up this subject again...

.......well, ... almost never.

Forgive me ladies...... the devil made me do it!

Posted by: Vyesna

No, you just made me yawn.

Posted by: rams

Ouch! ... I knew you would say something like that! But I've seen some of your previous post.

Posted by: Vyesna

Yeah, I used to get into the argument, it was fun the first few times. Now it's just boring. I'd much rather discuss whether okroshka is gross or not.

Posted by: sidney

RAMS, I also have to warn you that Jill is exspecting. I learned years ago to go along with whatever a pregnant woman wants. My wife was getting close to her due date and a few days earlier the doc had warned against eating chocolate. We went to the mall to see a movie and after choosing which had time until it started. We walked around the mall and she smelled chocolate candy and had to have some. I tried to explain that we were advised against by her doctor. The faucet turned on and she still bringing up this event to rib me. I promised her that she could have whatever she wanted when she was pregnant after going through this event.
I'll join you in there being a difference or I wouldn't have gone through all the trouble. If there is no difference then I wonder the reason for the women on this board choosing russian husbands. It would seem that they also found something lacking at home.

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Well, this is rather repititious in my opinion (as similar discussions have already taken place on RMP) and I am not optimitistic that rehashing the same conversation will be particularly productive.

I also have made the mistake of posting something posted earlier. This was soon after I found RMP. Most times I don't do a seach. Having been on the board for a while now I have seen what has been discussed. Ram being fairly new doesn't know what has been.
Sid

Posted by: rams

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Ram being fairly new doesn't know what has been.
Sid

Yes, but these ladies are making sure I learn my lessons very quickly!

Posted by: searcher

Alright, i've bit my tongue long enough so i'll tell you my thoughts (if you don't mind)....

I didn't actively seek out Russian but there are some admirable qualities about Russians in general.

I think the problem many people have in western countries is that we often meet people who are not up to our expectations in one way or another.

What I admire about Russians in general is their patience and tolerance. They seem to be more willing to put up with many things many westerners would quickly complain about.

I think people who have had harder, more difficult lives tend to perhaps be more humble...... well, usually

I think both the men and women on this forum - Western, Eastern or whatever - have found something they like and is desirable to them and, really, that is all that is important.

I think people see something, somewhere else, that appeals to them (or as the saying goes "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence").

Additionally, for some there are also certain physical attributes which may seem appealing as well.

Posted by: Protege

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Originally posted by rams
.... I'd like to see some other opinions.

It's hard for me to explain why, but I would prefer to marry a Russian over an Asian.

And yes, I am Asian myself.

Posted by: Jill

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If there is no difference then I wonder the reason for the women on this board choosing russian husbands. It would seem that they also found something lacking at home.

Not at all. I have aboslutely nothing against AM and have had some very enjoyable relaionships with them. I married a UM because I happened to be living in Ukraine and therefore I had more interaction with Ukrainians--not because I was avoiding AM for some reason.

And you raise an interesting point. The AW I know who are married to RM/UM don't really have a tendency to make such comparisons as "who is a better husband--a RM or an AM" whereas AM married to RW/UW often do. Now why is that?

As I've said before, based on the AM, RM, and UM that I've dated and had relationships with--I don't believe the difference is all that great. Just as based on the AW, RW, and UW friends and relatives I've had, I haven't noticed any great difference. The differences that I have noticed are more habits, rather than values--and even still, there is a great variety among individuals.

Posted by: alenika

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Originally posted by rams
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Ram being fairly new doesn't know what has been.
Sid
Yes, but these ladies are making sure I learn my lessons very quickly!

And what has been?? I am new here too..

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Originally posted by sidney
Quote:I wonder the reason for the women on this board choosing russian husbands. It would seem that they also found something lacking at home.

I suspect that women on this board who chose russian husband were not seeking someone abroad purposefully. I although guess that there are a few of such women on this board, is it so?
I also doubt that attitude to RW and AW depends on being RW or AW. I am russian and have the same attitude in this question as Jill has.

Posted by: rams

Jill, Vyesna,

Though this fire still burns, please note ...I am not adding any fuel to this.

I am a changed man. I am innocent.... well,.... maybe not completely innocent.

Aren't the RW and AW on this site just great!

Posted by: sidney

alenika, this subject has come up a few times before. I was trying to make the point that rams was fairly new to this forum and had not known of these prior posts unless he did a search for them. I had made this same mistake which is easy to do.
Sid

Posted by: alenika

I see sidney. Thanks

Posted by: Vyesna

I can assure all that when I went to Russia the last thing on my mind was the prospect of marrying an RM.

Posted by: Pin Boy

vyesna,

as far as i remember, there is no post recalling how you did meet your husband...if i'm correct, care to share some of the story?

pb

Posted by: rams

Yes Vyesna .... please tell us a love story.

Posted by: andreas

My thoughts -

The hero

Somewhere inside most or every man is the urge to be a hero, a protector, many of these agency girls through circumstance (be it man, country or whatever reason) seem to be looking for a better life abroad, whether it be because they want to live in a land where they can comfortably raise their new family or live in a place where they can further educate themselves, work and earn good money so they can live often only dreamed of. I don't know, I can't read their minds but they are there, pages and pages of lovely girls looking for their man of men. So what red blooded man who is searching will not respond to this? His chance to be a hero and help give this girl the life she wishes for.

The older man

I don't know if I am correct here but it seems the average man searching the RW pages is aged from maybe late 30s to god only knows. Now I've been to many singles nights locally and many young single girls here won�t look twice at this poor older soul, especially if she is anywhere near attractive. In fact her eyes are way to busy focusing on some younger dude with a nice ass jumping around on the dance floor (and I mean younger than them). Hell, even on ICQ I had to lower my age from 43 to 33 cause I got tired of 50 YO ladies trying to con on to me.

Yes call me vein, I don't care - It worked, at 33 I finally got my age group (40, s) and slightly younger saying hi. So here we have a whole bunch of young attractive girls preferring the "Older Man". Thank you lord for what I'm about to receive

Is it all as it seems?

OK, so now I'm going to take this opportunity to throw in a question of my own, Are ALL these girls for real? I mean surely they are all not that hell bent on leaving their country and men. And they seem to go to such trouble with professional photos, make up, hair and high fashion rags. Is there a kickback here? Do they get a bit of pocket money for each email sent by this lonely western man and hey! If he is a real catch then maybe she will consider a relationship. Meanwhile her life is not all that bad; she works, socialises and has dinner with her family every Sunday.

These are just some of my thoughts guys, I'm not saying this is how it is, I just wonder

Andreas

Posted by: FlashingEyes

I guess you could also say...

...that inside every man is the urge to be a pirate, thief, swindler - to through manipulation of circumstances acquire what he would not deserve in a fair, free market.

...that more often than not this villian is also the loathsome man, ugly, relationship-challenged, and/or much, much older than the women he desires.

Of course I guess most people here wouldn't say that, preferring to think of ourselves as mature heros, putting everything in the best light.

Posted by: andreas

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Originally posted by FlashingEyes
I guess you could also say...

...that inside every man is the urge to be a pirate, thief, swindler - to through manipulation of circumstances acquire what he would not deserve in a fair, free market.

...that more often than not this villian is also the loathsome man, ugly, relationship-challenged, and/or much, much older than the women he desires.

Of course I guess most people here wouldn't say that, preferring to think of ourselves as mature heros, putting everything in the best light.

Do you really believe this is mostly the case ?? Or is this just food for thought.

Curious

Posted by: fly4fun

I wonder if there's been any lengthy articles or perhaps a book written on the RW versus AW difference?
With the amount of interest there should be. I also would think that given the amount of marriages it would be easy to document some of these opinions.

Agencies are not unbiased in how they portray RW but lets face it, RW AND AW can be less than honest (even with themselves) about what they really want out of a relationship.

More intriquing to me would be how RW view american wifes after being in the US for some time? Not so much in terms of whether AW are good people as the majority are. More along the lines of what things or attitudes don't they agree with after being here for some time.

Everyone changes but perhaps some basic cultural values never go away?

Bob

Posted by: rams

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FlashingEyes
[B]I guess you could also say...

...that inside every man is the urge to be a pirate, thief, swindler - to through manipulation of circumstances acquire what he would not deserve in a fair, free market.

...that more often than not this villian is also the loathsome man, ugly, relationship-challenged, and/or much, much older than the women he desires.
----------------------------------------------------

OK.... I find it difficult to sit on the sidelines with this.

Everyone when searching for a mate searches for the best, that is human nature, and I see nothing wrong with that.
I am 53, I had no trouble dating younger women in America ( my last date here was 36, a year younger that my russian gal.)

I usually dated younger women (35 - 45) for several reasons.

1. They are usually more attractive.

2. To me they seem less complaining.

3. I have teenage children and I wanted someone at my same place in life, most women 53 are grandmothers.

4. I rock climb, do tricks on a trampoline, jog, weight lift, and yes I look and act ten years younger than most people my age. I wanted someone compatible. Am I Ugly - No, average - Yes.

5. I don't know where the guys get the idea that young women in america won't look at an older man. I could have had a 20 year old american woman if I had wanted one. But, she would have only been dating me because I could wine and dine her and buy her nice things ( I have a good, not rich... but good, income).

6. I would not want to enter a relationship if I did not feel I had something to offer the other mate. Why... because it would be a short-lived, doomed relationship.

My problem with relationships here is that the women did not seem to share the same life goals as I did, mainly.. a simple, secure family life. They seemed to be more into either a good time, or an escape from working every day. They did not seem to be interested very much in children ( I love children very much, I enjoy being a father).
And while I found many women in Russia were looking for a good time, or an escape. I did find more women that were family oriented, (and yes on average I was able to get a more attractive lady.)
I think the reason was because few Russian men seem to like to raise children. So perhaps the number of women interested in family is the same in Russia as america, but they have more trouble finding a Russian man willing to care and support children (and yes, I would guess the lack of jobs and low income has much to do with that).

I do realize my view on this comes from limited experience, and is based more on my feelings than any logical or scientific analysis. I could easily be wrong. But to me, I got the best lady I could have found by going to Russia.

Posted by: sidney

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But to me, I got the best lady I could have found by going to Russia.

I feel the same and my wife holds the same view about me. Wouldn't trade her for 1000 Britney Speers or anyone else for that matter.
Sid

Posted by: FlashingEyes

I find it interesting how some people are so defensive about admitting how many bad apples there are out there looking for Russian women. I also find it interesting how one person in particular that seems to be so impatient about defending what a great guy he is (as if my comments were at any way targeted at him), also is a person that stands out in another discussion thread for his inability to understand subtleties in complex issues and at the same time inability to admit he has limited knowledge/understanding of the complex issues. I have just completed a documentation of 4-5 factual inaccuracies he has made, pretty much his entire post on one complex issue, but I have no doubt that in his own mind he will still think he is right. I wonder if a person like this would really be such a great catch for an intelligent, educated Russian woman???

Posted by: rams

Yes, sidney... I understand that feeling!

FlashingEyes - What's important to me is what my intelligent, educated Russian gal thinks! I tend to think I am a normal guy, who has found a special lady. And that makes me feel special.

Posted by: loulou

I've heard some statistics recently: there is a high per cent of divorces when AM is married to RW. And per cent is low when AW is married to RM. They explain, that when RW gets married she thinks that AM will supply her fully in future --- then she is not satisfied when he (AM) can not satisfy any of her needs. She requires.....and getting disappointed if doesn't get what she wants, claims...etc. And she is not so independent and career oriented like AM to sutisfy any of her wishes herself

As for me, I think that Russian Men (RM) that lives in America -- are American Men (AM) . You see RM=AM. The same with a woman

That depends on location. only. -- who are you: Russian or American woman.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

I agree , Loulou : if a marriage is one sided or based on total dependence or a fantasy that life will be paradise compared to life when single its doomed to fail even before it started.

Rattle

Posted by: loulou

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Originally posted by rattlesnake6979
I agree , Loulou : if a marriage is one sided or based on total dependence or a fantasy that life will be paradise compared to life when single its doomed to fail even before it started.

Rattle

Yeah, Rattle. But some American men fantasy that if a woman is from Russia she is from paradise. Xu-xu

I've read recently, that one man from Virginia married Russian girl, brought her to US... and she dumped him in two-three years. Then he found another Russian one. He brought her to US, married her ... and she dumped him in two-three years. Then he found the third Russian girl. He brought her to US, married her ... and when she said that she wanted to dump him, he killed her!
That's why Virginia authorities now could allow Russian e-mail brides information about their future husbands - if they are killers or bandits previously or not

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

If you marry twice and on both occasions the woman dumps after 2 years (green card marriages in my opinion ) he should have learnt his lesson and called it a day.Unfortunately, some men do not know when to take no for an answer and in this instance I would say he was nothing short of certifiably insane to marry a third time - the first two disastrous marriages should have told him everything regarding his own capabilities at judging a situation and it would appear he was way out of his depth both socailly , emotionally and in tems of being able to relate to the person.

But there are no justifications for murder and it was wicked , cold and remorseless. In a nutshell he deserved the prison sentence.

The law you refer to has been enacted to protect needy and vulnerable women such as the woman who was killed but the law does not work because it relates to agencies based in the USA - if a man from the USA joins an agency in Russia or Belarus or anywhere in the fsu there are no checks on criminal convictions because the new american law does not apply to agencies outside the USA. This has been discussed on this forum before and IMHO it is necessary for the Russian govt as well as govts of the countries in the fsu to tighten up the law.

What would be a better system is for each party to be obliged to submit police authority records at the time visas are being applied for AT the American embassy in the country where the visa application takes place -then each person ( man AND woman ) knows what they are dealing with - this has yet to be passed as law but it would be a step in the right direction.

But knowing what I have learnt from people I met in the Ukraine, it is very easy to pay for fake documenation and certificates - the corrupt police and judicial system make it easy for anyone to con thier way through any checks set up.

What percentge of the men who meet and marry a woman from the fsu and have criminal convictions for violence and sexual offences is anyone's guess . Likewise what percentage of the women who meet and marry american men have criminal convictions for violence or other offences is anyones guess.

Rattle

Posted by: inlove

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Originally posted by rattlesnake6979
What would be a better system is for each party to be obliged to submit police authority records at the time visas are being applied for AT the American embassy in the country where the visa application takes place -then each person ( man AND woman ) knows what they are dealing with - this has yet to be passed as law but it would be a step in the right direction.

But knowing what I have learnt from people I met in the Ukraine, it is very easy to pay for fake documenation and certificates - the corrupt police and judicial system make it easy for anyone to con thier way through any checks set up.

What percentge of the men who meet and marry a woman from the fsu and have criminal convictions for violence and sexual offences is anyone's guess . Likewise what percentage of the women who meet and marry american men have criminal convictions for violence or other offences is anyones guess.

Rattle

As far as I know INS does a fairly good job on checking everybody's background now, since 9/11 at least. You can count on your name being checked through FBI, Interpol and your country of origin's criminal database before they will issue you a green card, or even an immigrant visa. I don;t think it is the case with american men marring somebody from overseas though..

Posted by: Jill

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I wonder if there's been any lengthy articles or perhaps a book written on the RW versus AW difference?

I still stick to the view that there simply aren't enough differences to fill a lengthy article, much less a book.

Now, you can certainly compare one RW and one AW and come up with a list of differences; but you can also compare one RW with another RW (or one AW with another AW) and find just as many differences. So it's seems to me a foolish excersize to try to come up with generalized differences btween RW and AW as you will more often than not end up with too much individual variation to draw any coherent, persuasive conclusion.

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I've heard some statistics recently: there is a high per cent of divorces when AM is married to RW. And per cent is low when AW is married to RM.

Very interesting......

Posted by: loulou

We have discussed recently: How to determine the age of a woman if she is nakid? It was a very curious discussion between three women. Three women -- three different opinions. If you want I could tell you.

But all of us were the same opinion that it's very very difficult... and in fact it's impossible. The same with AW and RW -- try to determine differences if they are nakid and keep silence.

Posted by: Vyesna

I'm pretty sure there are no available statistics on AW-RM marriages and divorces, and probably not really any on AW-foreigner marriages and divorces.

Posted by: loulou

FBI has varied statistics

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

Hmm, yes ... and there are probably also varied statistics available out there to suit or prove whatever point you're trying to prove.

Posted by: loulou

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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA
Hmm, yes ... and there are probably also varied statistics available out there to suit or prove whatever point you're trying to prove.

Why should I prove something? I've read -- an AW from Russian community from NY. She tried to explain some figures, to clear reasons of divorces in her mind.

In my mind there are no differences between RW and AW.
I think if a RW could turn into AW there in America -- she is a clever woman. But if she is keeping behave herself as a RW there -- she is stupid and that could help her to lose her American husband in near future.

Posted by: sidney

Jill, I know you don't feel there is a significant difference between RW & AW. I understand you've been living and working in FSU areas for a few years. Do you visit the states or when was your last visit? I would be interested to see if your opinion has changed once you move back to the states to attend university. I believe my wife's perception changed in some areas on our last visit to Ukraine. One area was superstition. She is not nearly as superstitious as she one was. It was an excellent list of these posted by you. There were many new ones for me.
Sid

Posted by: Pawel_PL.USA

The bottom line is - yes, there are differences between Russian and American women, just like there are differences between women of all different nationalities. I know this because I live in Chicago - I'm around all sorts of women - Russian, Russo-Jewish, Polish, Serbian, Mexican, Ukrainian etc. etc. and they are all different from each other.

Posted by: loulou

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Originally posted by sidney
One area was superstition. She is not nearly as superstitious as she one was. It was an excellent list of these posted by you. There were many new ones for me.
Sid

As I know, here in FSU women are very superstitious when they are in love..... Are they getting less superstitious when they cross the border?

Once I was in communication over the net with an AM. I wrote him that a Russian woman could be very aggressive sometimes. For inst. when she loves and she suspects her husband in affair, she could crash his expensive sport car with a scrap-iron

That man stopped to write me. I guess he thought that RW are different than AW. But after that I saw a lot of American movies where an aggressive American actress crashes the car of her lover with scrap-iron... A lot of movies... I think that proves -- that there is no any differences between women....

Posted by: sidney

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Are they getting less superstitious when they cross the border?

Yes this is the case with my wife but she still is superstitious just less so after four years.
I can see where it may frighten a man to threaten to have his sports car destroyed.
Sid

Posted by: Jill

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Jill, I know you don't feel there is a significant difference between RW & AW. I understand you've been living and working in FSU areas for a few years. Do you visit the states or when was your last visit? I would be interested to see if your opinion has changed once you move back to the states to attend university. I believe my wife's perception changed in some areas on our last visit to Ukraine. One area was superstition

But that's exactly my point! The differences that do exist are largely differences in habit and they tend to change based on the environment that the person is living in (such as superstition). I do not belive they are essential differences in values or character (such as being more honest or loyal, etc).

Posted by: rams

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Originally posted by Jill
But that's exactly my point! The differences that do exist are largely differences in habit and they tend to change based on the environment that the person is living in (such as superstition). I do not belive they are essential differences in values or character (such as being more honest or loyal, etc).

I actually think it is a little of each. In Russia I think there is a little more family loyalty simply because they must depend on each other more, and family is stressed more than individuality. But I will admit I don't know a great deal about Russia.

I do know however, that in the part of the South where I came from marriage vows were taken much more seriously that in Southern CA...
The standards people are raised by, influence their thinking.....
but people tend to change with the surrounding environment.

Posted by: Jill

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I do know however, that in the part of the South where I came from marriage vows were taken much more seriously that in Southern CA...

But the divorce rate in Russia is 80%

Posted by: alenika

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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA
The bottom line is - yes, there are differences between Russian and American women, just like there are differences between women of all different nationalities. I know this because I live in Chicago - I'm around all sorts of women - Russian, Russo-Jewish, Polish, Serbian, Mexican, Ukrainian etc. etc. and they are all different from each other.

Those differences are superficial. Not they make a person. Nationality doesn't define if the woman will be honest with husband, or with others, if she cares of others or no, if she is attentive to others, if she tries tounderstand those with whom lives, if she isjust, judgmental, forgiving, responsible, and other such things.
And I think those are things which make the person, not if she is family-oriented, for example. Every woman is family-oriented if she can respect others and if she makes responsible choices.

Posted by: lechef

I be interested in knowing what is the percentage of elderly parents living with their children in FSU versus here in America. I bet there is a large gap between the two. To me from my meetings of FSU women the girl of the family tends to be living with there grand parent taking care of them then Whom I know here in the states.

Posted by: myshka

The amount of children living with their parent is high, almost all children, even when married dont move from the family apartment because of the housing situation in Russia/Ukraine. So you cant go by how many children have their elderly parents living with them, but how many elderly parents still have their children living with them.

Posted by: lechef

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Originally posted by myshka
The amount of children living with their parent is high, almost all children, even when married dont move from the family apartment because of the housing situation in Russia/Ukraine. So you cant go by how many children have their elderly parents living with them, but how many elderly parents still have their children living with them.

Good point.

Posted by: rams

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Originally posted by Jill
But the divorce rate in Russia is 80%

Jill your Quote:
If you believe hte statistics that Jutman recently posted (and I have no way of verifying their accuracy), the divorce rate of AM/AW is about 51%. The divorce rate of AM/RW is about 50%. The difference, therefore, is negligible in terms of happy, lasting unions.

Jill your information is usually very credible, so I don't see reason to argue with these statistics. But, ... consider what we might be looking at here?

Some points I'd like to make:

1) It appears from this that RW get along better with AM than RM =>
50% vs. 80%

2) This 50% AM/RW also includes the gals only wanting a green card. Therefore, if one is wise enough to ferret through these and enter into a real relationship.... then one's chances with a sincere RW are probably better than 50% and therefore better than with a sincere AW.

3) I also think that the guys that go to Russia and find a mate pretty much agree the woman they found in Russia is probably better (more attractive, more educated, more helpful) than their AW counterpart (otherwise why would they be going to Russia).

So it appears to me that the guys that go to Russia are getting a better mate with at least the same, if not better, chance that the marriage will work.

Therefore, all things considered ... it's still a better deal if a guy goes to Russia.

Though I do tend to agree with you that there are many similarities in RW and AW.

Posted by: inlove

What you fail to understand, rams, that "if a guy goes to Russia" it is pretty much the same deal, only more expensive.

Posted by: Jill

I don't think it is necessarily that RW are more compatible with AM.

There are others factors involved.

For example, people in Russia tend to get married very young (one might argue too young). Certainly this contributes to the high divorce rate. RW seeking and marrying AM are generally not 18 and 19 years olds--they are a little more stable and mature.

In addition, the economy in Russia is very bad and it is very difficult to support a family there. Certainly this contributes to the high divorce rate in Russia. Whereas a RW who marries an AM will likley have fewer financial worries.

HOWEVER, if commitment to family were really so incredibly strong, you would not see such a high divorvce rate--people would stick out their marriages through thick and thin, through good times and bad. But the majority don't.

Rather similar to Americans, actually.

Posted by: rams

OK Jill, you've won me over somewhat. When I first started this post I had read the divorce rate for AM/RW was much lower than AM/AW. And I do realize that I have a certain bias having met the love of my life in Russia and had better experiences with Russian/European correspondence, but that is more of a personal thing than a generality, agreed.

Yet, I clearly see other men on this post that have the same impression, their experience with RW has been a better experience than with AW. Some of these men are quite intelligent, and I don't think this is all in their imagination, nor mine. But this may be more of a personal preference for a certain type of man.

I also am begining to understand why many people are tired of this topic, I am rather new to the post and it's begining to wear me down.

I want to thank everyone for their input.

Posted by: Alinka

...I agree with the other ladies: Rams, how could you?!

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