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UPDATE: Says she wants to be my wife
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Posted by: ColoradoGuy218

Hello everyone! I wanted to again thank everyone for all the valuable input I received on my previous post. Things have been moving along in my relationship and recently I felt it necessary to really press my lady for details on her identity. I had asked her numerous times for her address and her full name (only had her first name). She gave me her address and full name, but when I tried to have flowers delivered, I was told by the delivery service that her address did not exist. So, I thought ok, well maybe the delivery guy is unfamiliar with the neighborhood or something. She still insists it is the correct address. Now she has sent me a copy of her domestic passport and I was wondering if anyone could help me to verify its authenticity. Actually, even help in reading what it says would be great. Thanks!

Posted by: Jill

I could read it for you, but I probably couldn't verify its authenticity (unless it were a VERY obvious forgery).

Posted by: ColoradoGuy218

Hi Jill,
Thanks for your kind offer. But, I've been having second thoughts about passing around her personal information. If she's not scamming and turns out to be legit, I'll probably regret emailing copies of her passport to strangers. You understand.
Thanks!

Posted by: lechef

I use the flower sending program as a way to tell if the address is legit. These couriers do know the areas and have found it to be usefull to really know if it is a scam or not. I would personally be cautious and think twice before I would get more emotionally involved.

Posted by: ColoradoGuy218

lechef,

I did the flower thing and the service provider claims the address does not exist. My lady swears she has given me her correct address. So, now I'm sending a card to her by DHL. I'll have to see how that goes. If they both come up undeliverable then I guess I'll know!

Posted by: lechef

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Originally posted by ColoradoGuy218
lechef,

I did the flower thing and the service provider claims the address does not exist. My lady swears she has given me her correct address. So, now I'm sending a card to her by DHL. I'll have to see how that goes. If they both come up undeliverable then I guess I'll know!

I have so far received three bogus address and confirmed them over the Internet. Try to do a google search for the address or If you like, find out where she does her Internet and give me her email address and I can tell you what city and what location the ip is coming from.

Posted by: ColoradoGuy218

I have already done a search for her street address and have not found anything positive (or negative). But as far as the IP, which is mail.ru, that won't tell me anything. I know it is a Russian server address, but anyone from any place can get an email account with mail.ru and that proves nothing. I live in Colorado and I could have my mail with mail.ru

Posted by: lechef

Quote:

Originally posted by ColoradoGuy218
I have already done a search for her street address and have not found anything positive (or negative). But as far as the IP, which is mail.ru, that won't tell me anything. I know it is a Russian server address, but anyone from any place can get an email account with mail.ru and that proves nothing. I live in Colorado and I could have my mail with mail.ru

All ip come from somewhere. If she says she lives in Moscow and the ip is from another location then it will tell you that she isn't being straight with you. You can do a DNC search your self if you like but you can at least tell what city it is from and if she is in a reasonable location to go to the Café and use the computer.

Posted by: Leprechaun

yeah, its her originating "IP address" you want

295.334.223.23 thats what it looks like

she wouldnt be calling moscow on dial up if she live in siberia.
the internet cards she buys are localised by local companies, she dials a local number or the same applies if writing from a net cafe.

Copy and paste the header of her mails here
of course delete her email address from it.

Posted by: rkseagle

As far as the flower delivery companies go, I'm beginning to wonder if these companies are simply saying that the address does not exist so they can get the money without having to go through with the delivery.

I just tried to have flowers delivered for Valentine's day and the florist said at first the address was invalid, then the address was valid but the person didn't live there. They still retained quite a sum for their "trouble". The person that gave me the address in the first place does not seem like a typical scammer and I'm still waiting for confirmation from her about the address she gave.

My gut feeling is that the florist was the scammer rather than the girl. This is getting quite sickening to tell you the truth.

Robert

Posted by: Leprechaun

Thats crazy, next the postman will be saying, thats not an address, then the police will say thats not a postman then the governer will say thats not a policeman then Putin will say thats not a governer........

Does Russia even exist?

seriously something must be done about this as when i think about it more this is a great possibilty that it could happen

you should send your lady to collect these flowers and to make a scandal there.

we should start a reputable flower company post here with testamonials

I have a great & sweet lady in St Petersburg that delivers mine for me, she even goes to get tasty cakes!

Posted by: rkseagle

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Originally posted by Leprechaun
~~you should send your lady to collect these flowers and to make a scandal there.~~

I am sending the lady copies of all of the emails that I'm receiving from the florist. The trick is that the floral company also offers an address confirmation for $30 which by coincidence is what they retained from the flower order.

The costs of flowers is outrageous anyway but I rationalized that it just goes with the territory. But now I'm really leaning toward never dealing with another floral company, period.

Quite a scam if you look at it. Take an order, collect the money, send an email that the address doesn't exit or the person doesn't live there, reimburse only a modest part of the money and keep the rest. THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING AND STILL GET PAID!

Next thing you know, the original sender is questioning whether the lady exists in the first place and drops the relationship. She is left wondering what the hell happened and he is too shell shocked to try again.

Scammers need to rot in hell in my humble opinion.

Robert

Posted by: lester

Name the company, rk,

and Shame on them if this scamming is correct !

I have used a network florist several times, never any problems.
and certainly no address confirmation fees are quoted by them.

PM me , if you wish, with detail, and I can ask my contact
to verify the authenticity of this company.

Posted by: FlashingEyes

Robert,

Take a step back and wait to see how things develop before jumping to any conclusions. I know you're frustrated but right now you don't know for sure who deserves your frustration. If you used a reputable delivery company then I have confidence that they are not trying to scam you. I have used flamingo (http://www.russianservice.com/) for thousands of dollars of orders of all kinds of gifts, including flowers, and have been impressed with their honesty and service. I do always make certain to include the phone number to where they are delivering, which I think helps to avoid problems of not being able to find the address. In some fairness, the addresses there are not always so easy to find as most addresses in the states, and I think the delivery companies do a good job considering...

Posted by: rkseagle

I'm not naming the florist just yet for the very reason that I don't know if they are to blame. I want to be fair to everyone and not put a mark on this company just yet. They ARE one of the most recommended and supposedly reputable companies and came recommended by a friend that has used them before.

The thing is, I received the address from this girl for the express purpose of sending her Valentine's flowers. She didn't ask for them and I cannot think of one single reason why she would give me a false address KNOWING that I was about to send flowers to the address she gave. It just does not make any sense whatsoever - she had everything to gain by giving the correct address and stands to lose everything if it turns out to be false. This girl is not one of those sweet teenies either, she is 42 y/o with one child (one of the items was for the child!), has never asked for money, has always answered my questions, asks questions of her own - does not fit the profile of a scammer in any way shape form or fashion. The only way this lady could be a scammer is if someone else is using her photos and just had not got around to asking for 'relief' money yet. Like I said, I'm going to be fair and wait patiently for an explanation before smearing anyone's name or business.

As Judge Judy would say, if it doesn't make sense then it has to be untrue. The only thing that seems possible is that the floral company never even attempted to deliver the flowers in the first place and is now getting paid to do absolutely as little as possible.

As you can tell, I'm still boiling about this so best to just wait and see...

Robert

Posted by: rkseagle

Apparently the lady is being helped by the daughter of a close friend(the friend is already in the US) and this daughter put her own address in the email to me by mistake. Now I've got to decide who to believe.

At least the floral company is off the hook and I can now say that RussianFlora.com did make a great effort to get the flowers there in a timely fashion. In fact, the order was actually placed early on the 14th and they did try to deliver on the 14th.

Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned in there somewhere but I fail to see it right at the moment...

Robert

Posted by: lester

Thanks for the name, rk.

Had a look at the site, they are expensive,
as you say. The florists I have used are much
more reasonably priced that this.

PM me , if you would like their info.

Good luck with resolving " muddle."

Posted by: Jill

Quote:

Apparently the lady is being helped by the daughter of a close friend(the friend is already in the US) and this daughter put her own address in the email to me by mistake. Now I've got to decide who to believe

As much as I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, this doesn't make much sense to me

Her friend's daughter confused her own address with somebody else's??? Have you ever done that? I sure haven't.

If this story is true, that daughter is either really young (how old is she?), or she's got a screw loose somewhere.

Posted by: rtking

I don't know if I buy the "daughter messed up and used her own address" story. Even if she did, it would be a deliverable address and they would have made contact with somebody. When I was engaged to a girl in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, I would send flowers and they would find their way to her home. She lived on a tiny street behind other buildings and most taxis couldn't find it without personalized directions. But I never had a problem with floral deliveries.

Bob

Posted by: Jill

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Even if she did, it would be a deliverable address and they would have made contact with somebody

I thought of that too, so I went back to the original post. If I understand correctly, it was a valid address, but that person doesn't live there. But somebody then does live there. Possibly the friend's daughter? The address was real, just not correct.

Still seems very odd to me....

Posted by: Jill

Bob, I just noticed that your visa interview is March 8....The Embassy is closed on March 8...Are they doing interviews? I didn't know that. Well, a K-1 visa will be the perfect Women's Day gift for your fiancee

Posted by: Jill

Happy, happy birthday!!!!

Posted by: Leprechaun

Happy Bday Colarado!!!!

Posted by: rtking

Happy B-Day Colorado Guy!

Hope you're celebrating well!

Jill: Thanks for noticing! Apparently the Embassy is working on Woman's Day. It's a US Embassy, so I guess they follow US holidays (I'm figuring.) Olga requested the date and they granted it along with a time of 9:15 AM! So I'm going on face value that they'll be there as agreed. (Of course, I'm trusting a government office to be expedient and accurate. What, am I nuts?!?

)

Bob

Posted by: Jill

Hi Bob,

The US Embassy observes both American and Ukrainian holidays, so they are generally closed on March 8th (you can verify this on their website, actually). That's why I was surprised that it would be possible to have an interview that day. Perhaps this is an "exception" of some sort?

Posted by: Jill

Actually, here you go:

Quote:

Official Embassy Holidays

Year 2005 Official Embassy Holidays

The following American and Ukrainian holidays will be observed in 2005 by the Embassy. The Embassy will be closed to the public these days.
Please note, that some particular dates may vary annually.

Holiday Day Date Country
New Year's Day Friday *December 31 U.S.
New Year's Day Saturday January 1 U.S./Ukraine
New Year's Day Monday **January 3 Ukraine
Orthodox Christmas Friday January 7 Ukraine
M. L. King's Birthday Monday January 17 U.S.
Presidents' Day Monday February 21 U.S.
International Women's Day Tuesday March 8 Ukraine
Orthodox Easter Sunday, Mon. May 1, 2 Ukraine
International Labor Day Sunday, Mon. May 1, 2 Ukraine
Victory Day Monday May 9 Ukraine
Holy Trinity Sunday, Mon. June 19, 20 Ukraine
Memorial Day Monday May 30 U.S.
Constitution Day Tuesday June 28 Ukraine
Independence Day Monday July 4 U.S.
Independence Day Wednesday August 24 Ukraine
Labor Day Monday September 5 U.S.
Columbus Day Monday October 10 U.S.
Veterans Day Friday November 11 U.S.
Thanksgiving Day Thursday November 24 U.S.
Christmas Day Sunday December 25 U.S.

* - When a U.S. holiday falls on Saturday, it is usually observed on Friday, when on Sunday - it is usually observed on Monday.

** - When a Ukrainian holiday falls on Saturday OR on Sunday, it is usually observed on Monday; when on Saturday AND on Sunday - it is usually observed on Monday and Tuesday. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine may make additional changes in the holiday schedule during the year.

But perhaps they still do interviews

Posted by: Texas Proud

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Originally posted by Jill
Actually, here you go:

But perhaps they still do interviews

Wow..... I want to 'work' at am Embassy