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Posted by: ASUDT

Dear Ladies & Gentlemen:

I regret so much having to discuss this issue with all of you and I am sure it will create a great discussion. This has to do with legality and the considerations that all of us need to consider.
If you are corresponding with someone and they ask you to send them money for any reason they have the right to ask legally. It is freedom of speech and expression and you have the opportunity and the time to decide in your own behalf if what this person is asking you for is fraudulent or not and the opportunity to tell them you will not send them what they requested you for and you can tell them that you feel they are asking you for something that is not in your best interest .
Someone asking you for anything is not a violation of the law unfortunately. You have the right to say no and the option not to send money. With that in mind a person that asks you for money cannot be defined as a scammer because a scammer is someone who has received money and used or not used the money for the purpose they stated they would use it for. Until that actually happens they have not scammed you or violated you or committed a criminal act against you .
Also if you act against them and use their photograph without their consent and accuse them of something they have not physically done to you then you may be in violation of the law and it is possible that they can legally act against you for that action. This is called deformation of character and the illegal use of photographs without the consent of the person the photograph belongs to. It is in respect no different that a woman for example using a models photographs without the models written consent of use claiming the photos are of her. In this case you would correctly say that woman is a scammer.
Now if a person asks you for money for a visa and tickets for example and you in fact send that money to them for that purpose and they do not use the money you sent to them for that purpose then a criminal act has been established and all the elements of that crime has been fulfilled and you then have the legal right to take action against them if you have all the evidence and can prove it legally.
In addition a woman or man from the Russian Federation can in fact go to the consulate and complete an application for a visa to go to another Country . Whether that application will be approved is another story but technically if someone asks you for money to obtain a visa they have not made a false statement to you with their request.
This all food for your thoughts. Remember ignorance of the all or immigration law is not an excuse and it applies to both parties. So if you do not know what the immigration law will allow then you may be putting your own head in the guillotine when it comes to foreign relationships and travel requirements .
Please remember that even terrorists have the right to a trial before they can be convicted legally. Someone therefore is not a scammer until they have really violated you after you sent them money and they have not used what you sent for the purpose intended . This is why when you go to my site at http://www.asudt.org/ you will not see photographs of potential scammers there.
The statements and comments I have written her are merely my opinion for the purpose of those whom may chose to consider it, J))) and do not reflect or define what they law factually states Internationally or in America.


Posted by: James Riske

Just curous, could you please post just one case where an American was charged or sued with defammation of character for posting a Russian woman's picture and letters and emails and calling her a scammer?

Just one?


Posted by: ASUDT

To date I cannot find such as case however this doesn't mean the liability doesn't exist. Our post is truly not in the defense of true scammers and we are not saying they do not exist . Really our post is in the defense of American men.

What we are saying is more judgement needs to be employed before posting someone as a scammer.

If a woman asks in coorespondence " Will you help me with my cooresponcedce ?" Is she a scammer ?

Is the homeless guy on the street that approaches you for five bucks claiming he needs something to eat a scammer ?

If the answer to both of these questions is yes then why aren't this mans photo , address , phone and other personal information posted on telephone poles and on bullitin boards in the local stores warning people that he is a money scammer ?

There is no difference. What would the judicial system in America think about me placing this homeless persons poster in these areas ? The question has nothing to do with the man being homless and needing food the so called criminal fraud is him asking for money.

On a personal note my position is this ; If I am corresponding with a Foreign Woman and our intentions after a few weeks of writing each other are to build a life with each other and marry why should I have a problem giving her $50.00 each month in the benefit of my fiancee's well-being when in the end I am going to be married to her and helping support her for perhaps my entire life ? I would never marry anyone I did not love and care about and that I was not aboslutely sure also wanted to marry mainly because she loved me . Personally I would rather lose 50.00 per month to learn if she is truly sincere or not than to marry her and bring her to America only for her to stay with me long enough to get her Green Card and then watch her split with some other person and lose possibly $50,000.00 and have the legal responsible for everything she does for the next 10 years when she isn't even with me )))))) Now that's real scam and believe me it happens alot . Also our Govenment made that 10 year law. I understand that sending $50.00 each month doesn't give me the guarentee that she an honorable and devoted wife but it does give me the time to better understand her character and intensions towards me before I marry her and also the time to at least feel inside myself that the woman I plan to marry really and truly loves me and also cares a lot for my well-being and happiness too.
Undertaking the development of relationship with a foreign woman is a very serious thing with profound responsibilities to take on . It is also very expensive to achieve as well. Also it is very stressful for foreign women to live in a different country and leave their life behind and place their total well-being in their finacee's hands. This takes serious thought, planning and serious devotion to each other to work successfully.

So I think that if a foreign Woman after some coorespondence requests REASONABLE financial help with her coorespondence with whom she is writing isn't wrong of her . I also think the guy that places her on a scam site for doing that is completely wrong for doing so.

I mean what are we going to do ? Make them pay for their own dinner the first time they come to America with us ?
That's PORK





Posted by: parasionok

ASUDT,

finally someone sounds resonable regarding "Russian scammers". James is right, there is not a single case when a Russian woman would sue an American man who put her picture on antiscam web-site... I wonder why is that? First of all, if a woman is unfairly accused of being a scammer (and we all know that any russian woman can be put on a black list just because she is Russian), she would need to 1. have a profound knowledge of Geneva convention and international law, 2. speak fluent English, 3. have enough money to initiate a law suit... Women who are able to do all 3 things listed above are not on blacklists because from the initial contact with them any guy would understand that he might get himself into trouble. So these guys are hunting women who cannot protect themselves.

Reading this forum, you have noticed that any woman can be discussed here as a potential scammer. Nobody cares anymore if she has not asked for money or have not even hinted that she might need money for anything, but alas, yet she MIGHT be a scammer, so her letters are posted here and discussed, the opinions are formed, and the usual outcome is DUMP HER...

I do not see much websites on African scammers on the internet... and I wonder why the Russians are the focus of attention. Is it because some men worldwide don't know how or where to stream their anger to? Is it because a Russian woman can be so easily accused and abused without any consiquences to an accuser and an abuser? Are people who volunteer to be a scammers hunters really the judges? I hope the human rights of russian women will be properly protected in the near future... and I hope this future will come sooner to the total disappointment to those who are so ready to accuse anyone born in Russia and CIS to be a scammer.


Posted by: rob_we

ASUDT

I was triying to do something about an american psychologist and author who proposed marriage to at least 50 russian girls.
He claimed to do so if they send him nude photos of themselves.
His main field of action is sexual abuse
Even I had all the correspondence, and forwarded it to the FBI, the american Psychologists Assosiation, and some womes rights groups in the US , nobody cared about that topic AT ALL.
Americans do not sue americans because of some russian girls... I am german and wrote about 30 letters to a lot different places.
To me it just prooves that a russian girl would just have NO CHANCE at all to go legal on anything like that...
Even as a german it is just not possible and nothing but waisted time....

I think this prooves that only russian girls are guilty as James stated with his post....

If you are interrested you can read about it ( i started a thread in Scam, scammers/romantic Heart)...
...actually it just prooves that justice seems to me quite picky in the us if it comes to the rights of foreigners, as I experienced in the past before on other issues...


Posted by: wavetossed

Here's some food for thought:

http://www.internet-law.ru/forum/in...lay;threadid=50

This is at least one Russian women who was posted on a scammer website and is now seeking legal advice. As more and more Russians get on the Internet, it won't take long before there are some real court cases.

Right now, the use of the Internet in Russia is at about the same level as it was in the USA in about 1998. But it could grow a lot faster because the government is pushing for more Internet access in schools etc. Also, the cost of the equipment needed is lower today than it was in 1998, for instance there are Chinese companies selling clones of Cisco equipment.

The more people on the Internet in Russia, the higher chances that a Russian lawyer will decide to make a name for themselves by winning a case like this against an American.

Frankly, if a Russian woman asked my advice about looking for an American husband, I would probably tell her to ask him for money early in the relationship in order to test him. If he is an idiot then he will accuse her of scamming. She is better off without an emotionally stunted loser like that. And if he sends the money to her too easily, she should do some more testing to see if he is just a generous and honest guy, or someone who thinks he can buy a wife.

By the way, if a woman really is a scammer, (or fat Yuri is collecting the money) then this is "income" and income tax must be paid. Write a letter to Russia's MinFin with all the details of the scammer and the amount paid to them. Basically, send them the same info that you received from the woman in order to make the Western Union payment. Write it all down, dates and MTCN. I believe that the Western Union website can even tell you which branch of which bank paid out the money and, of course, the bank will have their own records of the identity of the person. Sooner or later, someone in the Federal Tax Service will have some time and chase down a few of these people so that they have a case to publicize in the press.

Their address is on the site here http://www.nalog.ru/ in the lower left corner. Also a fax number.

If you want to help protect Western guys from getting scammed, then educate them about how to build long distance relationships, where the boundaries are that should not be crossed, etc. That will help them in more ways than just in avoiding scammers.

By the way, Parasionok, there are several websites for people who hunt down Nigerian 419 scammers.


Posted by: ASUDT

WOW I am very happy that there are some people at least who agree with me that Russian women that ask for something are not scammers just because they ask. Also if you go visit my site you'll never see the pictures of Foreign women posted there and accused of being a scammer . I don't want that kind of liability ))
The ASUDT is fighting for the arights of Russian women , we are not scam hunters but we will identify know scammers if we feel they have been accused fairly . They have to meet our criteria before that happens . Also we try to work with proven scammers to see if we can understand why they do what they do and try to encourage them to seek other avenues of making money .
I personally feel that scam hunting and scam posting for unjustified reasons is becomming an epidemic and it is really out of hand. The bottom line is you need to have a real set of reasons before you accuse someone of being a scammer. These are real people with lives and we do not want to injure the lives of other people without absolute and justified reason .
The reasons stated by Parasionok as to why there have been no Russian women that have tried to sue men for doing this are completely correct . I'll tell you those financial and other reasons may not always be there to prevent them from doing this and I assure you if this happened within the U.S. there would be one hell of a lot of court cases about this. I am not sticking up for real scammers only the ones I feel that are'nt. I hope my advise is taken seriously because you don't want to to get burned in court for doing this so be careful of who you accuse of things without a real and sound justifiable cause.


Posted by: wavetossed

There are lots of people coming to the USA everyday who 1) care about this issue, 2) have the legal ability to take on lawsuits, and 3) can afford to sue these American blacklisters.

Who are these people?

Russian wives. Some of them are lawyers and some of them have money, either because they earned it in Russia in business or because they are marrying into it. Once the idea is put forward, it shouldn't take long for them to get organized. Let's not forget that Russians come from a culture of collective action. That's why there are Russian women's groups in the USA helping women who are being abused by their husbands. These are not helpless people. They are smart, they know how to organize, and they are getting more skilled at speaking English as every day goes by.

Maybe Parasionok or some of the other women on this board would promote your website on the Russian women's forums. At least that way they will become aware of the law and how the blacklisters are actually doing something illegal.


Posted by: parasionok

ASUDT,

I will definitely put the link to this thread on some of the RW forums... I just want to post here a letter from a girl who was accused of being a scammer and was put on a black list... you can read the whole thread here: http://www.antidate.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71

I am not a Scammer

On July 29 I got e-mail from web site Uaprofiler.com saying that my name was successfully added to their database due to my scamming activity and if I had any questions I might contact them. I took a look at their web site and saw my data there, only my name and address without any explanations why I was placed there, who reported and why. It only stated my details and the name of the site where my advertising was placed Absoluteagency.com.

To me it was a shock because for the whole last year I did not write to anyone from there, also I did not make any contacts at all and did not have correspondence with anyone. Of course I have started writing to that site with questions why my name was there, asking them to tell me why, how come, who is that man (being totally surprised about it since there cannot be any man!) and even asking the site to tell the man to contact me with his complaints because no one has ever contacted me with any complaints especially since there cannot be any complaints at all, because those men that I communicated with before we either stayed good friends or came to mutual agreement that we were different people in life and still keeping good relations.

I asked the site to remove my name from their list. Anyway, all my attempts to contact that site remained with no reply. No one from the site has ever replied to me. I tried to contact the site by their e-mail, also from their intra mail but have never got any reply. The man from the USA, who is a private investigator in his own country, his name is Al Villa (he wrote to me also that my name is placed on that site but he knows me for a long time already and knows that I am Not a scammer!!) wrote to Uaprofiler.com about my matter but he also did not receive any reply from them. Then he repeated his e-mails to that site but once again they have never replied to him as well. Here is his e-mail: avinv2001@yahoo.com

Anyway, then I wrote to some sites which addresses I found on the search page on the internet to ask what to do in my situation and how to deal with this a man from one American site told me that I should remove my profile from the site where I was ( I mean dating site Absoluteagency.com) and I did it and also

I wrote to Russian Women Magazine. Then I called the phone number that was indicated on the bottom of the page of the site Uaprofiler.com "how to contact them". First couple days nobody picked up and I constantly heard the message "the number is temporarily unavailable". But finally a man picked up and he told me that he has nothing to do with this site, that indeed he works in the police in Lugansk but he has nothing to do with this site and it was someone's bad joke to place his phone there, that he doesn't know who did that and that it is not only me who was calling him since there were many other girls who were calling him about the same matter since they have been placed their ads on the site without any reason. I asked him if he knows how I can contact people form the site and he told me he did not know. I asked him to give me an advice how to deal with this and he said there was no way. Then he suddenly started to ask me who I was, where from, my name, etc. Finally he said to me that he was tired of all the calls, he has nothing to do with all this and this site and he is going to change his phone number therefore.

I was discussing all this with Al Villa and he said that probably this site of uaprofiler is just making money out of men for so-called investigations and they are just doing their business and they are probably not going to reply at all because they do not even reply back to him.

Indeed, the situation that the site gives deliberately the contact phone number which is not real, or especially if the man on the phone was lying to me about his connection to the site, it clearly shows that the site itself is a scam. I contacted also other internet services to ask how to deal with this site since I wanted my name to be removed from the scam list because I was not a scammer. I am waiting for reply from them how to stop the scam activity of the site Uaprofiler.com itself.

Eugenia
http://www.russianwomenmagazine.com...ons/scammer.htm


Posted by: ASUDT

There are many women there that are unjustly accused. There is even another anti-scam site that has posted their agency implicating them as a fraud agency.

Here are some guidelings with regard to Anti- Scam agencies:
They are based on what I think.
1. If you make an e-mail attempt to contact them and they do not respond to you obviously they are a fraud agency.
Every Anti-scam site has an obligation to communicate with the individuals that contact them if they provide an e-mail address. Yes there is no law that says they have to do it but why would anyone create a public site of this nature and not monitor it or respond to those that write to it. If your not guilty of doing something wrong then why hide by not communicating ?
3. Every person that has been accused of something has a right to plead their case and be heard. I think all of us will at least agree to that .
4. It has been said that any scam site that charges for their services is scamming? I disagree with that because would you devote your time and efforts to provide a public service for free ? No you wouldn't But the thing is you have to provde services not just take money from people and not communicate with them and or work with them. I have logged over 2,500 hours and worked with at least 6 different people for many hours each time . To date I have one paid member so far. Even now I am here trying to help people for free.
5. Another issue is one of how long should a profile remain on a site if no other reports or accusations about the particular person have been made against them in the form of new evidence for some established period of time. I think 12 months is a reasonable amount of time. After this they should be removed unless new and substantial evidence is reported against them by someone different.
I understand how you feel I have also have written scam sites with no response. When another scam site does not respond to my agency that performs similar work I don't have much respect for them at all. I also think what they are doing is making money from advertizers at the expense of innocent people.
I wrote the agency you spoke about in your post with regard to a a woman who was posted on their site . I asked them if they would remove her on the grounds that the letters she wrote to her accusers made no mention of her asking for money for any reason . This agency responded to me stating that they would not remove her because two men went to see her at two different times and they reported her as being not very affectionate when they met with her. I'll let you assertain if you think that is justifiable grounds for being a scammer. One of the gentlemen was in a wheelchair that she had no knowledge of before she saw him the first time.
Soon I will write to the various scam sites and verify if they will respond to my request for communication and I will post on my site my findings and make a statement with regard to their creditability and why they are or aren't. I think that needs to be done . I also think that we all need to work together to clean up this situation and establish some new guidelines with reagrd to what justification establishes if someone is a scammer or not , how long they will be allowed to remain on a site if other reports against them do not surface over a period of time and is the Anti-scam agency willing to listen, consider and make changes and probationary agreements about an accused scammer and if that agency will communicate with all people that write to them actively.

Now my agency is the ASUDT and if you are a scammer or have been accused of being a scammer and you do not feel that you have been justifiably accused you may send me the information as to :
Who accused you
What scam sites you are posted on
Why you feel you are not justly on this site
When and how long you have been on each site you tell me about .

I will do the following in your behalf after I have investigated the reasons at the site or sites you are posted on as to why you have been placed there :
1. If I do not feel you have been placed their for justifiable reasons I will write the agency requesting that they remove you and the specific reasons why under the conditions stated below :

A. Immediately remove your photograph and profile from the site under a probationary status and condition that if no other new substantial reports are submitted against you to my site or another site that you will remain off their site permantly.

If the site does not cooperate with my request I will place your photo on my site stating that you are not a scammer , why you are not and that the particular agency in question either did not respond or would not cooperate with the ASUDT in your behalf.

I will establish a file with all your statements , my findings and the evidence found at the site with regard to your case along with the actions we made in your behalf.

In addition I will send a report to the top 20 dating and marriage sites stating to them that we do not feel that you have not been justly accused of being a scammer and if or if not the Antiscam agency that reported you would cooperate with our probationary status program. Also if they would or would not respond to us .

I am sure that you can understand that this will take a lot of effort and time so I will request that you join the ASUDT for one year and complete the form on the last page of my site. This is my full-time occupation I cannot help you for free so please join the ASUDT. No other fees will be charged for this assistance and effort . For further information my e-mail address is asudt@earthlink.net


Posted by: Lola

Quote:
Originally posted by ASUDT
There are many women there that are unjustly accused. There is even another anti-scam site that has posted their agency implicating them as a fraud agency.
Now my agency is the ASUDT and if you are a scammer or have been accused of being a scammer and you do not feel that you have been justifiably accused you may send me the information as to :
Who accused you
What scam sites you are posted on
Why you feel you are not justly on this site
When and how long you have been on each site you tell me about .

I will do the following in your behalf after I have investigated the reasons at the site or sites you are posted on as to why you have been placed there :
1. If I do not feel you have been placed their for justifiable reasons I will write the agency requesting that they remove you and the specific reasons why under the conditions stated below :

A. Immediately remove your photograph and profile from the site under a probationary status and condition that if no other new substantial reports are submitted against you to my site or another site that you will remain off their site permantly.

If the site does not cooperate with my request I will place your photo on my site stating that you are not a scammer , why you are not and that the particular agency in question either did not respond or would not cooperate with the ASUDT in your behalf.

I will establish a file with all your statements , my findings and the evidence found at the site with regard to your case along with the actions we made in your behalf.

In addition I will send a report to the top 20 dating and marriage sites stating to them that we do not feel that you have not been justly accused of being a scammer and if or if not the Antiscam agency that reported you would cooperate with our probationary status program. Also if they would or would not respond to us .

I am sure that you can understand that this will take a lot of effort and time so I will request that you join the ASUDT for one year and complete the form on the last page of my site. This is my full-time occupation I cannot help you for free so please join the ASUDT. No other fees will be charged for this assistance and effort . For further information my e-mail address is asudt@earthlink.net


How nice, dear, so you want to earn giving your protection to poor Russian women?
dear, we have already 3 sites: Antidate.net, LillaVilla.com, and PodarokShop.com that can protect russian women for free... if I was in your place I would ask them for help you


Posted by: ASUDT

Thank you for your advise. Have a Happy New year


Posted by: Clarita

I see it very funny that an american decided to make business in "russian women protection"! It smells fishy for us, russian women! Where have you been when russian sites dedicated to this subject was closed and deleted from american hosts by american hosters???

We run antidate project (western men's black list and russian women protection) over a year and we do it all FOR FREE! We promote our project - antidate (western men's - known abusers, players and scam-hunters) and lillavilla - information portal about safe dating in russian and international internet. We have had publications in press (Business Lady women's magazine) and we have great plans for next year. And we don't ask any penny for anything.

For us, it is one more proof that americans want make money using russian women. We know some anti-scam agencies that put russian women into their black-lists and blackmailing them later requesting money for delete them from their lists. Your project looks the same for us, russian women.


Posted by: ASUDT

Dear Clarita:

Thank you for your posting .

I have read your concerns and I assure you we are not a scam agency or exploiting Russian women. Here are a few facts about our agency:

So far we have one male member that paid us 20.00 usd.

We have logged 2,500 hours helping a total of 4 American men and 1 British man over the past two months . None of these guys paid us for our services.

We have been requested and gone to the aid of 4 Russian women to help them be removed from Anti-scam sites. We never asked them to pay us . We also contacted 6 posted scammers on other sites and have gone to their aid to help them be removed because we felt they were unjustly accused . We never asked any of them for payment or compensation for our efforts.

Also we have donated more than $3,000.00 from our agency in finacial aid to more than 12 Russian women and never asked them to pay us back or requested anything from them . This was given to them to help them imporve their quality of life and thier childrens lives.

Our $20.00 membership fee is more of a donation than a requirement . So far the ASUDT has spent more then $8,500.00 that it will never recoved in helping men and women develop meaningful relationships.

Honestly if Russian Women have been accused of scam activity and they feel they have been wronged we will help them for free would have done so even if they couldn't afford to become a member.

If you will notice my site has no women posted that are scammers and it never will have either. We believe that it is wrong to do so .

It seems that our request for A $20.00 yearly membership fee is not being taken very well by the community. So that is very simple to fix and today we will remove our request for membership fees. Within 30 minutes of this post it will be gone forever.

Also we do not receive kick backs from advertisers that advertise on our site. And our cost each month to maintain this site is $150.00 not including pay per click costs and the man hours we log.

We have not received donations with the exception of the one member we have. We will refund his money as this must be uniform for all .

We do not receive money or donations from the 37 dating sites that we scan one or more per month. Nor will we ask anyone else for money to help with our costs for any reason in the future.

We do not charge any dating sites for our research time or for the time it takes us to generate our reports our reports.

So if anyone needs assistance it is now completely free this includes all men and women.

LOL We are definately not make any profit doing this and haven't .

Really we are trying very hard to help Russain and Ukrainian women and also American and other men develop better realtionships with each other. In addition we visit Anti- Scam sites regularly and research the reasons why the women they have posted there are there.

Also if anyone would like to communicate with please contact us at asudt@earthlink.net we will respond to you unlike many other Anti-Scam sites that won't .

In America we are working with our State and Federal officials to be certified to receive donations from the Government and other Businesses to help Russain Women that are being controlled and abused here in America with thier American Sponsors. This process will take more than a year to achieve. In the mean time they have no help at least in my area.

So I really do not feel we are a scam or exploiting agency and honestly I think your time will be better served knocking on the doors of other Anti scam agencies that are really violating the rights of women when we are truly and honestly doing our best to help them.

I am glad that agencies like yours exist as they are needed . I am sure that the claims you have stated about your agency are true and we have no doubt in your agency , its notoriety or ability. The objective is to help Former Soviet Union women and Foreign men develop non-abusive and non-exploitive happy relationships with each other. I don't care who or what agency does a better job than the other as long as the objectives are met and I think this is all the people care about as well. So lets focus on doing that to the best of our abilities. If not asking for membership funds will help us to help more people then we have no problem removing that request .

Thank you for bringing this to our attention . We wish you the best and if we can help you or you would like our reports sent to your agency please feel free to contact us requesting this and we'll send them to you for free regularly.
The ASUDT does not hunt scammers we scan for scammers that were previously hunted by someone else and then posted by another agency. We then investigate why they were previously posted and make attempts to contact them and work with them so we can help them.

Have a Happy New Year and the best of success to your efforts .

ASUDT


Posted by: ASUDT

Dear Clarita:

Here is something else:

If you and other agencies like yours would like to place your link on the homepage of my site and also my dating site that will be completed by the end of January 2005. I will put yours and all other sites like yours there for free on both sites. asudt@earthlink.net

Other American hosting sites may have taken you off their sites but they won't take you off mine or they will take us both off together

I believe that what I am doing is right and when that happens I will not be influenced by what others may think when I am doing something for the benifit of people. Even if they are American you have my word on that. There is no nationality with me only people and that is how I see it.


Posted by: Clarita

We don't mind to have a link to our lillavilla site on your site. But I would like to make clear some details about our basic line.
We are not an agency. We are giving as possible complete information about risks and hazards that can meet a any woman without her national or ethnical origin. Of course, being russian ourselves we make accent now on problems of russian women on international dating sites.
On the same time we have our version of western men's black list - community where women can exchange their bad stories of meeting western men and ask for advices or psycological support or give it to others. We give them possibility to prevent other women from meeting with men - known abusers, sex-tourists or just players.
Our audience is women who are involved in dating process and already are disapponted with theirexistent experience with western men. Although we give a possibility to discuss to both sides, these women don't want to have dialogue with men because they don't trust to them.
Our women having bad experience with marriage agencies nowadays want to find alternate ways to find a soulmate if they still want to use internet. An example of a reason why it happens you can see on luckylovers - there western men can do all they want because they PAY. And women can't complain even in cases of sexual or mental abuse because in such cases their profiles will be deleted - if you see their forum carefully you will notice that most of complaints on men was made by NOT A MEMBER.

On the same time american companies who own big dating sites that pretend to be "international" provide openly discriminative politic - they don't accept profiles from FSU countries as of "potential scammers"! What will be with them if they will stop accept profiles from black males as having bigger chance to be drug-dealer?


Posted by: James Riske

""""Reading this forum, you have noticed that any woman can be discussed here as a potential scammer. Nobody cares anymore if she has not asked for money or have not even hinted that she might need money for anything, but alas, yet she MIGHT be a scammer, so her letters are posted here and discussed, the opinions are formed, and the usual outcome is DUMP HER...

I do not see much websites on African scammers on the internet... and I wonder why the Russians are the focus of attention."""


Hey hold on there!

The fact of the matter is that most guys who post their problems on here already know the answer: dump her!

I'm not saying that the majority of women who men get involved with are scammers but the majority of women who get posted on here are. That's why they're posted on here.

And I['m sure you understand this so it causes me to wonder why you would post this as some strange defense of your gender? Would you explain why?

My advice to DUMP HER are well-founded. Writing before meeting RARELY works out. The ONLY way to make this work is to meet before writing. Oh sure, it may have worked out once in a while and I'm sure there's few nimrods on here who will post their 'success' storeis (however fleeting), but I know it doesn't last.

So, bury the hatchet honey and face reality,


Posted by: James Riske

"""WOW I am very happy that there are some people at least who agree with me that Russian women that ask for something are not scammers just because they ask.""

No, of course not. All women are born prostitutes from the beginning, right? Why pretend? Why kid yourselves? If women ask for anything at all, for no reason at all, if the ultimate promise is sex...it's OK? Right?

hahaha!

MY God....if only men would wake up and realize that the only reason they are chasing these women is for sex and that the average married man only gets sex once a month from his wife and that he can buy the same sex for a couple hundred bucks from a NINETEEN year old....do you think he'd chase you as much? I doubt it.

Don't you think he'd find it more profitable to stay single and hire a whore once a month? AND more FUN!

You betcha!

Do you think he would when he factors in the cost of courting, marriage, building and ulitmate divorce wherein he loses 80 percent of his possessions in divorce?

NOPE!

hahah

Oh sure..tell me I should be banned! Get angry at me....! You KNOW I'm right!

haha


Posted by: Lola

Quote:
Originally posted by James Riske


No, of course not. All women are born prostitutes from the beginning, right? Why pretend? Why kid yourselves? If women ask for anything at all, for no reason at all, if the ultimate promise is sex...it's OK? Right?

hahaha!


well, agree and all men are born scammers and cheaters from the beginning who think only how to avoid to pay their bills, right? they even had invented the love to excuse their unwillingness to pay
so dear, if a woman you correspondent with via Internet asks you for money, she merely wants to get the advance and not to let you cheat her and rob her, is all



Posted by: ASUDT

MR. Risk:

Your agression towards women is very great for probably a number of reasons which only you have experienced and understand. Listen all of us men and women alike have encountered people that have been unsincere, used us, exploited us, hurt us, taken advantage of us and even abused us. Probably many times. No matter how angry your are not going to stop or change those people , their character or the past experiences you may have had.

I want to tell you a story. I married a Russian Women we wrote to each other for more than five months we called each other everyday and she professed to love me with all her heart and soul forever. She knew I was alone for four years before meeting her. She knew I wanted love in my life and someone that would work together with me and help me. She knew that I have a mild illness and she knew that I did not have a large income or a house of my own. I went to Russia in December 2001 to meet her, live with her and her family for more than two months. We were crazy in love with each other. I again went back in April becuse she was very ill and stayed with her again for another month. After this I returned again in July 2002 to bring her and her Daughter to America. MY wife and her Daughter lived with me in a beautiful Town House I rented for us. I bought them the best food money can buy, they had clothes they needed and wanted and any time they asked me for something I tried my best to get it for them. My Daughter had more toys than she could put into two closets. Also when my wife came here she was very sick and eventually she was placed into a hospital here on two occasions back to back to kill a systemic bacterial infection she had in blood . For more ten weeks I would come home and also wake up at 2 AM eveyday to give her an IV anitbiotic that took 30 minutes to infuse. This saved her life for the time being. Her Cardiologist us that she was dying and would die if she did not have heart surgery to repair her left Mitral valve that the bacteria had dammaged. I arranged to get her the newest robotic heart surgery avaliable for this. Now she can can walk on a tread mill for more than hour non-stop and her Daughter has a Mother now. This cost me $88,000.00. When my wife came here she did not know how to drive . I taught her this, and helped her get her first license. After this I bought her a Dodge Grand Caravan Van that she liked. For three months I worked to get her work and educational documents translated and approved so that she would be able to work in my State as a hairdresser and then I went alone and helped her get her first job in a salon. She was unhappy there becuse she did not make a great deal of money. After three months I took $25,000.00 and built her a salon of her own. I loved my wife very much as you can see. Now maybe you would think that our life togeher would be very happy and loving. WRONG When may wife came here she argued with me and was angry the entire time we were in the air. She complained about everything including me. She complained about the Doctors , American life and her life with me. When I would kiss her she would wipe her mouth in discust , When I would tell her I loved her she would reply " I KNOW " and then walk away , She told me a thousand time that I am nothing , I am an Idiot , stupid and that she saccrificed her life coming here. When I( would try to peacefully negotiate with her after she remained angry for sometime 6 days non-stop she would say to me " If you don't like how I am send me back to Russia " But everytime she went there she called me telling me how she hated it there and wanted to come back. I was married to her for more than two years she never once bought me a card for any occasion or gift not even at Christmas. You have no idea of the anguish , pain and hurt I experienced during those two years tryingt to be a wonderful and loving Husband and being hated for it . Do you think I should hate Russian Women ??? I don't becuse I believe she came here for a 90210 life knowing before that I could never give her that lifestyle. I have faith that there is a Russian woman that would appreciate and love a man like me that will do his best to love her and care for her. I do not blame other Russian Women for what My wife did to me or how she treated me because they are not the one that did these things and I will never hold those things against them.

My friend you have got to forget it and forget about it because you cannot change what has happened in the past and you are never going to find someone that will love you and wants to be good to you when you hold this sword in your hand. Yes it hurts really bad but you have to continue with your life just like I am and many of us are. You know when you have been hurt and after that person is gone from your life and you do not see them any longer or hear them then the anger , hurt , sorrow and pain you experience is self generated because they are not there anymore hurting you only your past is and it will hurt you as much and as long as you want it to even for the rest of your life if that is what you want . What you need to dump is your past memories and accept that finding love is a risk we all face and experience and it always will be until we find the person that is meant for us. Please go to a place of still water that is quiet and look at you reflection there and think about your life and what you are doing with it throw your anger away there and come back with new and positive outlook on life and the people in it. Just accept that there are good people and bad and you are going to experience them both. Feel sorry for the people that hurt you because they will lose you forever. On the day when you lay dying you will remember all of the things you have done in your life and you will hate every minute of your life that you wasted. Make your life more positive and create good memories , happiness and write off hurtful people as idiots. Do this for yourself and your own well-being and happiness there so much more to life than being angry all the time. You are better and wiser than this and you are much nicer person than you have displayed with your post also. Let this past go and if you'll do that I am sure you will find many friends that are going to like you a lot more. I'm not cutting you here with this because I have been where you are now and it isn't a good place. You know I have lost probably $3,000.00 to various scammers on the net but it is my job also. I see them everyday and understand there are many scammers but not everybody is and for their sake we must have patience , and understanding. So are you going to call me a stupid person now because I lost so much ? I don't mind losing when my intent was to be a good person and to do good things while being sincere with other people I'll never feel bad about that because they did the wrong and they will have to answer for it one day.


Posted by: Jill

Happy birthday, Clarita!!!!


Posted by: Clarita

Jill

Thank you!!!

PS: Did you moved to Armenia lately?


Posted by: rtking

Clarita! Happy birthday to you! Keep warm and celebrate well!

Bob


Posted by: Jill

Quote:
Did you moved to Armenia lately?


I moved to Yerevan at the end of August--so I've been here a few months now

Hope you had a wonderful birthday!


Posted by: Jill

ASUDT,

I am really sorry to read of your experiences. I am just curoius, though--given the negative experiences that you have had, what got you interested in working to protect the rights of Russian women? I do think this is very admirable, but I was quite surprised in light of your most recent post. You don't have to answer this if you would prefer not to--I was just curious


Posted by: ASUDT

Dear Jill:

I guess you could say I have learned that in life you can do everything right and still lose sometimes. Really it doesn't matter how long you have know a person or even lived with them. We trust and believe in people based on what we see of them , how they act when they are around us or with us and we make our decisions to be with them , love them and even marry them based on those behaviors. Sometimes you feel really good about something that turns out really bad. There is no need for me to hate women because women didn't do what my ex did she did and only she did it. I have no desire to to think badly or stop helping people because I have bad experiences with others during my life. I like helping people and that is why I'm doing this.
Angry people, Opportunists, people that find joy in the pain of others and people that enjoy inflicting pain on others either because of thier insecurity or ambition to dominate others simply have an illness. They have not learned to be themselves and they have not learned how to function normally in society.

When I see these people and their actions I think to myself " What would you like a medal or a chest to pin it on "

People that are bad remind me of a joke I read in The Magazine Psychology Today : This guy goes to his Psychologist and says to him " Hey Doc everyone hates me" The Psychologist then replyed " That's ridiculous not everyone has met you yet "

Ahhhhhh Jill it hurts, but you have to keep living , keep trying and helping and loving people. Yep sometimes they'll hurt you for it but some of them will appreciate you and love you also. It is all part of life and all of this are going to experience these things. You'll waste your own life dwelling on the past and it will never benefit you.
Thank you for caring and taking the time to think about how I feel I appreciate it my friend.


Posted by: Jill

Well...I must say I am very impressed by your positive attitude and open-mindedness. Thanks for taking the time to share your story.

Good luck to you!


Posted by: James Riske

""""Your agression towards women""


You are making assumptions and name-calling simply because I posted an opinion that happens to be negative of women. Having a negative opinion and 'agression' are two different things.

What's next? Let me guess: I'm bitter, angry, full of hate, racist, chauvinist, misgynistic....and on and on and on....

Go do some aromatherapy and watch uplifting Oprah shows and you'll forget about me.

James


Posted by: James Riske

asudt,

Your story is not unusual nor is it particularly heartbreaking. Chances are, you will repeat it again over and over and over again, particularly if you continue to be the 'wussy' in your efforts to woo and keep a woman. They always react with scorn and contempt when they sense a Mr. Nice Guy and Wuss.

Your nonsense of telling me that I'm full of anger and hate are typical and a defense mechanism of yours because you can't face the truth and that your fantasies of love and what you think of women belong in a movie, they are not real life. You make ridiculous assumptions about me and my life. The fact is that I have many women friends and I am very happy. Why would you assume otherwise? The difference between you and I is that I understand women and know how to handle them and more importantly which ones to dump and how to act around them. You don't have a clue.

I could go on and on about what you did wrong and how the outcome was foreshadowed the minute she met you but you wouldn't understand. Start by doing google searches and get on David DeAngelo's mailing list for tip. Go to doclove.com and buy his materials. You need lots a help.

You see, I have steady girlfriends that I see and then I usually throw a new one into the mix every couple months too. I'm in my mid forties and am seeing a 24 year old tonight. She's wants to move in with me for a few months and my help in starting her modeling career. Life doesn't get better, my friend.

With the money I save by not getting married, not showering 'my love' with gifts and rings, and by not having her divorce me in three years and take all my possessions and force me to send her $1,000 a month, I bought my own airplane and cabin in Big Bear. I love it.

You can keep chasing after your unreal dream, spend tens of thousands of dollars doing it, many years of your life and you'll only end up with someone that you only marginally gte along with and only have sex with once every two or three weeks. And then, on average, after 8 years or so, she'll take your house and kick you out.

The biggest flamers of this post will be women and the p-whipped men out there with them. They don't like it when a man isn't buying their goods and 'gets it'. They don't like it when a man sees them and the way they act for what they are: prostitutes who use sex or the promise of sex to get things from men and manipulate them.

Saying that and believing that doesn't make one angry or bitter or full of hate. It makes one a realist who accepts the truth that is around him.


Posted by: Vyesna

I won't flame you James, I think you're hilarious.


Posted by: ASUDT

Ahhh Mr. Riske : It is obvious that you and I are completely opposite on our views of life and what is reality. I am sure that my previous post disturbed you however it was not intended to cut you down in any way. I see that you have your own way of seeing life and also how you have chosen to live your life. I also have an option with regard to how I need to live my life without regard to what others may think.
I will not create a battle of wits with you over your post or the things you have said in it . You may post your opinion and I will not contest or agree with the things you say. Again this is a matter of choice. I will continue to treat women with respect and do what I feel I need to to do even if everyone thinks it is wuss .
I appreciate your refferal to the website and also the book that you spoke of. I feel I have a better one and it is called the Bible and I will continue to live by the words of it's teaching as much as possible. It is why I am as I am and I believe because of it's teachings that I will one day have to answer for the things I have done during the span of my life time and stand in judgement before God and answer for all of the sins I have commited. I do not think my God will be asking me much about Wuss things.
Please live your life as you want and enjoy it for as long as you can. I cannot live it your way and in this post I have explained why I cannot for you here.


Posted by: ham

1 who cares
i see no class actions against scammers.
and they're milking WMs dry by the thousands.
I tend to think they somewhat deserved it, because it's easy if you just don't send $.

2 it is the good ole' "special interest"/minority rubbish.
Where has it taken the west?
Many areas in big cities are war zones where you are friendly advised not to walk alone.
Yet minority groups are still struggling below average, despite all this "care".
Perhaps a few more billions in affirmative actions are going to cure it...hopefully...this time...
Now add a few visa raiders to the party.

3 All those rubbish stories of abused women neglect the simple fact a majority of them would/had spontaneously gone for such "jobs" as "dancer", "entrertainer".
Then (oh-my-god!) it turns out they couldn't make it as mistress of some turkish kingpin in Cyprus and "dancing" is good ole prostitution.
Nah...it just can't be.
Who are we mistaking her for...?
Shortcuts are easy; yet there are risks coming with the territory.
Sofar, they just are too eager to enroll in such "jobs" and they aren't kidnapped nighttime.
And yes tell me PLEASE these women haven't seen a male naked before & fat, bald, broke western men are going to "abuse" them, blurring their vision of things to no return.

About the men blacklist, that's just an idea like others.
Too bad it's mainly a site to rant against western men as "loosers" & what comes next.
Read the site, please.
Look he's bald; look he's a loser who doesn't make 6 figures; look he's disabled seeking a nurse...
Free speech i guess.
What doesn't add up is i think most of the above ranting ladies are the one sending form letters full of horror stories about jobless, drinking, abusing russian men and trying to win empathy...err... western union wires.
Then back to the blacklist poking fun at the poor sappy b-stard who just poured his guts in a few emails & his paycheck just got WU-ed.

Because in the end it's easy.
Do you despise western men...?
So be it: let them alone.
If i posted here my creditcard number, you bet someone might abuse it...
Wow...
"idiotic posters of creditcard numbers in the open", the next special interest group needing a blacklist.

Have you been burnt by western men?
There are at least 20x western men burnt by FSUWs.

That's ridiculous: daily tons of copyrighted material are stolen & traded on the net & now someone is outraged at what happens to free pictures people freely volunteer to post?


Posted by: ASUDT

Dear Ham:

I know that there are many scammers on the net I see them everyday on all sites laying in wait for an easy mark. On the other hand I see the other side too. The one thing I do know for sure is that it has become an attrbute rather than a poor character trait in the eyes of most people to exploit and take advantage of innocent people in our world. It will continue to go on and on and on. Like Gandi said " Be the change you would like to see in the world ". Unfortunately even Gandi didn't quite realize that most people want the world to be all about them.

Somehow I feel that the scammer problem might end soon given ther political situation developing between Russia and the U.S. and when that happens then neither nationality will be able to go to the others Country. In the mean time I still feel that both side have certain rights.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally posted by ASUDT: I know that there are many scammers on the net I see them everyday on all sites laying in wait for an easy mark.


Oh PUHLEEZEE!!! You "see" scammers? Come on this statement is absolutely ridiculous.

Quote:
ASUDT also writes: The one thing I do know for sure is that it has become an attrbute rather than a poor character trait in the eyes of most people to exploit and take advantage of innocent people in our world.


Which has been occurring for centuries around the world--- WHAT IS NEW HERE?

ASUDT you're great about posting sentiments, but you are not providing much fact beyond a handful of anecdotes. The story about your marriage is suspicious to me. I don't believe it.

I'm in correspondence with several women, and although none of have asked for money, I think its clear what my answer would be if asked.

The term "scammer" is tossed around so loosely that its difficult to know what anybody is referring to unless they provide an anecdote or story.

To date: the information posted concerning the wars brewing between agencies in the FSU, and the database being provided by LillaVilla, antidate and others is useful.


Posted by: ASUDT

Thanks for responding;

Brand I know that you really don't want to hear this but you're still a young man that doesn't mean your immature or not intelligent but it does mean two things . One you have not been dealing with Foreign dating sites for a long time or you would have already encountered many women requesting tickets to come to America, large sums of money and other large requests for assistance. You are smart not to give money however once you being to really have feelings for someone you're writing and you have been communicating with them for a couple of months and they ask you to help them you may feel different about doing so. That is when you will learn about their trustworthyness and devotion to you.

You mentioned my statement about taking advantage of others being something that has been common knowledge. You're right but from time to time being up that point to people I feel is important because it is up to everyone to make a change for the better and that fact the result probably half a million murders , more than a million assaults , 60 precent of the anamosity between people and an even greater amount of agression and anger towards other people are caused every year by this behavior. So the obvious is really creating and doing a lot of damage. I think all of us need to think about this. Two weeks ago I read an article about a 26 year old woman that went to a park with her friend and tied a 12 year old gilrs hands behind her back and then took out a knife and cut this girls scalp off her head and took it with her. Not her hair her scalp.

Now with regard to what happened in my marriage. All of it is definately true and because you are still a young man shocked to think that anyone could be so callous and uncaring shows me that you are still learning the hard side of life and what people are capable of. I did not post the statement about my marriage for sympathy only to show the other person I was talking with an example about what can happen sometimes in a foreign relationship. Believe me there are much worse cases than mine will ever be. If you believe my story or not has no meaning or feeling to me basically because it has no relivance to you or your life with regard to what happened in my marriage. If it is true or not true to you and the others that read it doesn't change what happened or didn't happen and it doesn't benefit me at all if you believe it or not.

Let's define the word scammer with regard to foreign relationships:

Anyone that requests you for money to purchase a plane ticket and Visa to come to America so they can see you 98 mpercent of the time is scamming you. Why because 98 percent of the time a woman from the FSU cannot obtain or be issued a visa from the Consulate.

Anyone that is asking for more than $100.00 per month for coorespondence is using the money for some other purpose than coorespondence.

Anyone that writes the same identical chain letter to a number of men is a scammer.

Anyone that claims they or their family has a medical problem or energency and asks you to send them money to help them without giving you information so you can verify that information is scamming you.

Anyone that says they love you or wants to marry you in their coorespondence with you and does not provide you with their correct address , full name and a phone number that works so you can contact them is scamming you.
Those are good examples and traits of real scammers.

A woman that asks you for $40.00 to help her with her coorespondence every month after she has written to you for a couple of weeks probably is not scamming you.

An FSU woman that tell you in her letter that she makes less than $100.00 U.S. Dollars per month at her full-time job is not scamming you either.

Asking for help is not a scam but asking for help to do the impossible or not providing contact information is a scam when asking for help is a scam.


With regard to other sites: I do not know much about them but I feel that any site that helps men and women or prevents others from being injured by others is a good site. But any site that is established because they have a problem with a different gender is simply prejudice and only adds to the anamosity and suffering between men and women. The idea is to help men and women get along and develop meaningful , happy and beneficial relationships with each other not to promote anamosity between sexes.

Good luck with U.I. Team this season


Posted by: Lola

Quote:
Originally posted by ASUDT

Let's define the word scammer with regard to foreign relationships:

Anyone that writes the same identical chain letter to a number of men is a scammer.


what about western men who write the same identical chain letter to a number of women? Is this scam?



Quote:
Anyone that says they love you or wants to marry you in their coorespondence with you and does not provide you with their correct address , full name and a phone number that works so you can contact them is scamming you.

Oh yes, I know a lot of stories when westerners said they love and want to marry in their correspondence and forgot to say their correct address , full name and a phone number that works ... and in general they forgot even to divorce
so what about this? is it scam?


Posted by: ASUDT

Dear LOLA:


Yes Mam everything you said about those circumstances is 100 percent scam and any man that does them is wrong to do so.

People need to be more considerate of the feelings and emptions of others. It hurts very much when you begin to have feelings for someone and they betray you especially if they are being dishonest.

There is an easy and polite way to not string another person along because you are in a relationship with someone else. Simply write or say " I think you are a nice or wonderful person but right now I am communicating with someone else " This is called respect for other people.

There are a few things I think everyone needs to understand here :

1. You cannot force anyone to love you. Would you really want their love if it was forced and is that love or fear ?

2. You can only marry one person.


I don't see that writing to more than one person is wrong so long as you are honest with them about doing so wityh other people but sending multiple the exact clone letter to even one other person where the only difference between the two letters is the name of the person it is being sent to is wrong and a scam. I have 7 letters that were sent to me from two different men that received these letters from a young lady. All those letters are exact duplicated of each other. That's wrong and that's PORK.

If a woman said to me in the beginning of our relationship together " I am going to date , go out with and sleep with other men and also date you " She is being honest with me and giving me the opportunity to choose if I will accept that kind of relationship with her. If I do accept that situation and I later see her with someone else then why should I have a problem with it ? I shouldn't because she told me what the deal was before we started dating.

On the other hand if a woman tells me inthe beginning of our relationship that I am her only one and she loves only me then I would have a real big problem if I saw her with someone else because she would be dishonset with me.

We all have the right to write other people in search of the best person for our lives with regard to marrying someone but I think it is respectful and honest that you explain to everyone you're writing to that you are communicating and perhaps seeing other people. That gives them the option to accept it or not. Not being honest with them about this is really stealing their life from them and it is wrong to do so.

I am 48 years old; I know I wouldn't be very happy about anyone that doesn't care about wasting my time ( MY LIFE ) , I don't have that many years of my life left to waste and every minute is prescious to me I am very defensive about that and you should be also because you can't go to Wal-Mart and buy more time.

Lola I tell you something else ; I think that any man that places a womans photo on a scam site simply because thay asked them to help them with coorespondence is a scammer too. I think the at least 40 percent of the women currently posted on the various scam sites are there unjustly.


Thank you for your post Lola I appreciate it.


Posted by: FlashingEyes

In your book the Bible, I read on numerous examples where people married more than one person, and there are specific reasons given when it is appropriate to marry more than one person. I also noticed that how God demands love is a bit different from your statement. I'm sure the people of Sodom and those killed in the flood would agree with your point of view, but is it really such a good thing that you have allied yourself in your thoughts with these kinds of people?

Under your hypothosis that the same text should not be sent to more than one person, I suppose then it is wrong for the Bible to contain the same text for everyone and someone - let me guess YOU - should write the specific text that should apply to each person? I guess the letters of St. Paul to various peoples in the Bible weren't meant for me since they are merely a copy of a letter sent to someone else? Some people argue that the Bible is a message from God to all of us but surely God wouldn't do something "WRONG" would he?

Maybe you should stop setting yourself up as the authority of what is right and wrong, especially if your basis is the Bible yet the things you say are clearly in contradiction of the Bible! - hey, it's just a suggestion. I like most others here think you are being self-pompous and that instead of trying to set yourself up as the unscientific authority on a complex international subject you should instead spend a lot of time on introspection and self-reflection, humble yourself not attempt to take an exalted position you don't merit, and instead of talking about how much you know talk only of what you don't know for certain.


Posted by: ASUDT

This is a place of opinions and you have your opinions and other people have theirs as well. I write things based on how I see them and from the experiences I have had and from viewing and hearing the experiences of other people. The things that I write here are my opinions just as you have voiced your opinions. I don't find hurt or injury in the things you have said because it is what you feel and think and that's why I place my opinions here ; to understand what other people think and to help anyone that can find a solution they may have need of . I am not trying to be an expert because you are right the Bible says " He who thinks he knows anything knows nothing lest what he ought to know " That came from the book. What is right and what is wrong is determined by what each person feels about what they have read ,heard, experienced or witnessed and each person decides within theirself if something is wrong or right. You feel that I am wrong about what I wrote in my post and you have that right. You and I are not perfect and we are not always right about things we only have our opinion. In the bible it describes the story of the woman caught in the act of adultry and that the people wanted to stone her to death. Jesus said " Those among you without sin cast the first stone" Trust me I wouldn't be throwing any rocks LOL. I feel confident that if I said to most women that "I am already married but I would like to marry you also " I don't think I would be getting very many women to accept my proposal in our society today. That is why I wrote what I did saying " You can only marry one person" . You're right maybe it is possible to marry more than one person. I can't because my personal opinion is that if I married two women I couldn't really truly love either of them and I definately wouldn't be devoted or very faithful to either of them either. But that's how I personally feel. Now what other people may believe is their choice and definately could be different and I am not condeming them or anyone for doing anything they choose to do. There is a hell of a lot that I don't know about and that I have never seen before and I will live and die not knowing so many things. So I am sorry if my posts seem self-pompous I really don't intend them to be I'm just merely stating my opinion.


Posted by: FlashingEyes

If I decide to act outside the law by taking a rock and killing you with it, believe me you are finally going to be able to understand that there is a clear difference between that and what I have written here. Jesus also said it was a duty to admonish those who break his laws. You can misquote scripture for your purpose but the true meaning of the scripture doesn't support you at all. Certainly, anyone who like you so obviously tries to so twist Jesus's words as to pretend that stoning someone to death is the same as verbal criticism of someone's unchristian behavior is suspect. You obviously have no qualms about misrepresenting things so I don't see what positive value your opinion has to anyone here.


Posted by: ASUDT

I'm sorry but I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You do not understand. Believe what delights you.


Posted by: FlashingEyes

ADMINS PLEASE DELETE ALL PORTIONS OF POSTS BY ASUDT GIVING LINKS TO HIS WEBSITE OR ADVERTISING HIS WEB BUSINESS (I also just sent an e-mail with same).

Asudt,

Obviously your primary problem is you don't even understand what the words you use really mean. “Wit has truth in it; wisecracking is simply calisthenics with words” (Dorothy Parker). Now the comment "I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person" is WISECRACKING - that is what you mistake for wit. On the other hand, TRUTH (required for WIT) is estabished with ACCURACY and with FACTS.

Your statement, "a person that asks you for money cannot be defined as a scammer" is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT because "scammer" is a derivative off the American slang word, "scam" - and slang words mean whatever the culture, not you, decides.

YOUR OWN WORDS (in a later post): "asking for help to do the impossible or not providing contact information is a scam"

Your statement, "This is called deformation of character and the illegal use of photographs without the consent of the person the photograph belongs to," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT because you have provided no EVIDENCE to support your assertion such as STATUES or EXPERT OPINION - NOT YOU - you don't even understand enough about the law to use the correct word, DEFAMATION!

YOUR OWN WORDS: "I cannot find such as case."

Your statement, "Every Anti-scam site has an obligation to communicate with the individuals that contact them if they provide an e-mail address," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT, as you yourself admit, only your opinion (NOT wit). I certainly wouldn't respond to your e-mails, either.

YOUR OWN WORDS: "Yes there is no law that says they have to do it"

Your statement, "We were crazy in love with each other," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT. You can't even accept the obvious truth that your Russian girlfriend never loved you, and really how could she, until you take care of some of your severe psychological problems?

YOUR OWN WORDS: "When I would kiss her she would wipe her mouth in discust , When I would tell her I loved her she would reply " I KNOW " and then walk away , She told me a thousand time that I am nothing , I am an Idiot , stupid and that she saccrificed her life coming here."

I feel exactly the same about you as your ex and I don't even have to spend time with you. I can only marvel at her strength to have put up with you for two years.

Your statement, "The one thing I do know for sure is that it has become an attrbute rather than a poor character trait in the eyes of most people to exploit and take advantage of innocent people in our world," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT, because you have provided NO STUDIES, NO POLLS, NO EVIDENCE - the "one thing [you] do know for sure" is really only your misguided opinion (NOT wit) and you are wrong.

YOUR OWN WORDS: "The things that I write here are my opinions"

Your statement, "probably half a million murders , more than a million assaults , 60 precent of the anamosity between people and an even greater amount of agression and anger towards other people are caused every year by this behavior," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT because you produce NO STUDIES, NO EVIDENCE - you have massive numbers and specific detail but it is just your opinion (NOT wit).

YOUR OWN WORDS: "The things that I write here are my opinions"

Your statement, "Anyone that requests you for money to purchase a plane ticket and Visa to come to America so they can see you 98 mpercent of the time is scamming you. Why because 98 percent of the time a woman from the FSU cannot obtain or be issued a visa from the Consulate." is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT. Once again you throw out specific numbers but have NO STUDIES OR OTHER EVIDENCE, only your opinion (NOT wit).

YOUR OWN WORDS: "The things that I write here are my opinions"

Your statement, "Anyone that writes the same identical chain letter to a number of men is a scammer," is NOT ACCURATE and NOT A FACT - I receive lots of legitimate letters every year that are form letters sent to a number of men - once again your OPINION (NOT wit) is wrong, but if you had used wit you would have been accurate and truthful, but you were neither.

YOUR OWN WORDS: "The things that I write here are my opinions"

Add the long list of other contradictions, factual inaccuracies, and inconsistencies I have already mentioned, and others have mentioned...

What others say about you:
"You are making assumptions and name-calling (Riske)"
"you can't face the truth and that your fantasies of love and what you think of women belong in a movie, they are not real life (Riske)"
"You make ridiculous assumptions (Riske)"
"You don't have a clue (Riske)"
"Too bad it's mainly a site to rant against western men as 'loosers' what comes next. (ham - talking about your website)"
"do you despise western men...? (ham)
"Oh PUHLEEZEE!!! You "see" scammers? Come on this statement is absolutely ridiculous. (BradIL)"
"ASUDT you're great about posting sentiments, but you are not providing much fact beyond a handful of anecdotes. (BradIL)"
"The story about your marriage is suspicious to me. I don't believe it. (BradIL)"


Posted by: sidney

Flashingeyes, don't you have anything better to do then cause strife with posts.
Sid


Posted by: ASUDT

)))) If you would please research the things I have stated to people a little more. Call the consulate and ask them like I did about what the likelihood of a Russian woman being issued a visa to come to America is ?

Every scam site has the right not to respond to inquiries with regard to thier justification of posting individuals on their site without real evidence against such people. They have the right to evade the process of justice.

Most foreign women cannot afford to pursue DEFAMATION of character suits, and unauthorized use of proprietary information.

The estimates I have posted in most of my postings are derived from factual information based on many different intensive studies and statistics that would take the reader of my postings quite a long time to read. If you'll research some of these things yourself you will find my estimates to be very conservative.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with you about form letters.


Now can you sense that I am not upset about the things you are saying ? ))) I won't get upset about whatever you feel you need to say to me or how you disagree with me, my ex-wife or your personal choices with regard to having anything to do with me. If anything I think you're very intelligent and I realize that you are saying many of the things you have said to me here to hurt my feelings and / or to make me feel badly because I have insulted you in my last post. There doesn't have to be a winner here. I understand where you are coming from by many of the things you have said. I'm simply saying I am disagreeing with many of your statements. Let's try to resolve this as a stalemate for the sake of others here. I'm not your enemy and i'm really not trying to be either. Deal ?




Posted by: Virginiajoe

I can relate Marina thought she had me hooked with her romantic e-mails,I admit I would love to have a american girl who would love to do those things like make out in the forest in a tent,hey Marina is the one who brought that fantasy up,I thought it was pretty cool myself! I told her I would not give her money,she is a dumb scammer trying to pimp this thing out as long as she can,she even called me on the freaking phone last night,she is so dumb it is funny that is why I am still messing with her,people ask me why do you still e-mail her,I say because it is freaking funny to me! she was dumb to mail me her visa,I had the russian embassy check it out,still waitin' on the response,she is busted! Even claims I don't need your money I will be in Washington DC,so this is a new kind of scammer,what is she going to do,come to Virginia and date rape me?! Steal my credit cards! I am having fun with this stupid women,she is so dumb and perverted,you should see some of her fantasies she tells me about,git-r-done! That's what I say,they are hilarious! let me know what you think!


Posted by: FlashingEyes

A-

Obviously since you are a proven liar, who contradicts yourself regularly, I'm not going to take your word for anything. Prove it or shut your trap.

I don't make deals with people like you. I expose people like you.


Posted by: sidney

Quote:
Obviously since you are a proven liar, who contradicts yourself regularly, I'm not going to take your word for anything. Prove it or shut your trap.

FlashingEyes, for the most your posts are intelligent and well written until you get on one of your missions. Then you sound like someone off their medication. You order the administrators to delete someones posts. You sound like a pharsee when someone tries to discuss relion with you. You get into meaningless babble about the meaning if the work is. Lighten up a little, we all have a right to our opion and what we've experienced. Stop picking apart posts word for word it doesn't help your credibility.
Sid


Posted by: FlashingEyes

Sidney,

Since this is the second time you've interjected it's obvious you've got some interest here. Frankly I don't care what it is, but after carefully rereading your posts several times I can find nothing useful in them. Apparently your reaction is more emotional because you're reacting a lot but saying very little. On the other hand, I think Asudt is clearly trying to deceive people - as I have detailed, he is lying and even contradicting himself. I'm not sure what kind of deception he is trying to pull but apparently he's enlisted you as one of his believers. Perhaps you should consider why myself and a lot of others here see Asudt's smoke and mirrors for what they are but you don't?


Posted by: sidney

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I'm not sure what kind of deception he is trying to pull but apparently he's enlisted you as one of his believers.

He doesn't need to enlist me he seems to do OK. He also doesn't need whipped like a borrowed mule either. It is unprofessional to pick his posts apart word for word, call him a liar and tell him to shut up. You want references from him but I see none from you. If you disagree with ststements like 98% of the time it's a scam then tell your experience that you feel it's 98 1/2% of the time. Maybe he has more or less experience on the subject then you or I but he does have a right to his opinion. I don't enjoy your attitude that eveyone has a right to their opinion as long as it agrees with yours. Attempting to tear someones posts apart hardly adds to this forum. If he did something wrong let the administrators deal with this.
Sid


Posted by: FlashingEyes

Sidney,

You keep ranting and raving but since you are apparently unable to grasp the conflict that myself and others have with Asudt maybe it would be better if you listened more. Asudt is not being honest. Can you grasp that? I have gone through his posts in some detail to find specific examples where he, for instance, contradicts himself, but I and others have picked up that the dishonesty we can prove is only the tip of the iceberg. You think he is doing "ok" because you are apparently unable to see what we see. That's fine if you can't see it just remember by defending him you are complicitly supporting whatever deceptions he is trying to pull. Might it be a better use of your effort to like me expose a guy who is an obvious charlatan and thereby be standing up for anyone who like you is not able to see his lies as clearly as I and several others have seen them?


Posted by: FlashingEyes

Christopher K Okano (Asudt),

I am curious how your maintenance business, MAINTENANCE SERVICES COMPANY, can provide for you the income to spend the kind of money you have described? I also notice that you have recently branched out, and in addition to ASUDT, a website connected to FSU women, you have started a photography business, NC-NY TALENT 18 Modeling. Do you think that it is a potential conflict of interest that you will be making contacts with FSU women through your ASUDT business and then you could turn around and exploit them to work in your NC-NY TALENT 18 Modeling business?

I will be sure to make everyone aware of these kinds of conflicts of interest that you failed to mention, so maybe the shopping here on this website isn't going to be so good for your business as you thought!


Posted by: ASUDT

The asudt was designed to view the profiles posted on various dating sites for the purpose of identifying women and men that were previously accused by OTHER PEOPLE of activities they felt took advantage of them is some or many different ways. Refference: any scam site on the internet with regard to all individuals posted on them. If the asudt detects a person that has been previously accused on a dating site we inform the dating site of their presence along with a link to the specific scam site where they are posted. If the asudt feels that the scam site has no justification based on the evidence submitted by other people that have accused that person then we do not report them to the dating site. When we report someone to a dating site we do not make any suggestions or give advice to the dating site in regard to what they should or should not do or how they should handle our report. We do not charge the dating site any money nor does our site charge money either and we do not post anyone on our site accusing them of being a scammer. We make no money for our time and efforts.

Now I would like to ask some questions:

1. Do you think it is fair for a man or woman to have their photos,
personal letters of coorespondence with another person
posted in public view on a scam site because they asked
someone to help them by sending them money for
coorespondence costs ?. 10 percent or more individuals
currently on various scam sites are posted there for this
reason. My percentage is an estimate and is probably much
higher than what I have stated. Please reffer to the various
scam sites currently present on the net and research the
accusations and review the letters of coorespondence on
those sites to verify for yourself that my estimates and
statements are correct. I think people should not be placed
on a scam site for this reason depending on how much money
they asked for.

2. Do you feel that it is fair for a person to write one letter
expressing words of affection, love and desire to be with
a person and then send that same letter to five
different people where the only difference in that letter being
sent is : Dear John, Dear Jack, Dear Bruce, Dear Kevin, Dear Jim
or Dear Bill for example?
I call it a chain letter and I feel doing so is manipulating the
emotions of the people that receive that letter. What do you
think ?.

3. Do you feel that the people who have been placed on most
scam sites should remain there forever ?

4. Do you think it would be fair for scam site administrators to
remove the profiles of individuals on their site under the
probationary condition that if that person is not reported
again by another individual accusing them of wrong doing that
they will remain off their site indefinately?


Posted by: FlashingEyes

Do you think it is fair that FSU women that Christopher Okano (Asudt) comes in contact with here on this website and through his ASUDT business will be contacts that he might have a conflict of interest to try to exploit to work for his NC-NY TALENT 18 Modeling business???

Do you think it is fair that Chris failed to mention this conflict of interest from the start???


Posted by: ASUDT

No I see no conflict of interest between the ASUDT and NC-NY Talent 18 modeling basically because NC-NY Talent 18 Modeling can only bring models from foreign countries that are classified as Supermodels based on a conversation I had with the U.S. Department of Immigration. NC-NY Talent 18 Modeling International does not have the ascets to support or bring Supermodels to the U.S.. Our models are employed for the purpose of creating yearly calendars and are provided exposure on internets sites so their profiles are avaliable to casting dirrectors, and other Industry professionals that may be interested in them for thier upcomming events. Our models are not charged for their photographs and do not pay for their exposure on the internet. The ASUDT is a scam detection agency that operates for free and provides free advice for those that may seek it from us. We do not post potential scammers we merely detect their presence on dating sites and report their presence to the dating site administration.
Maintenance Services Company is a seperate business that focuses on exterior cleaning of businesses and residences. Any other contact that we may employ for the purpose of contacting foreign women would be to have them send us their photographs
for the purpose of creating calendars of which they would be paid for their photographs and receive royalities from the sale of the calendars we would produce. Maintenance Services Company is licensed and registered with the U.S. Department of defense. NC-NY Talent 18 Modeling is also licensed and Insured.


Posted by: FlashingEyes

I think it is very important for everyone here to understand that Chris Okano is a janitor but he wants to be rich and run a big modeling agency - hey, who wouldn't - and the women he meets here and through his ASUDT business are planning to come to the West already, and even if they don't he can still contract with them for pictures, including nude or semi-nude.

Now how is Chris going to get rich? Obviously he needs a resource noone else has - so of course he is so interested to get more involved in the FSU woman community! Of course he doesn't have much now so he can't pay much but if he can find a few unknowns HE might get rich!!!

Gee isn't it wonderful he doesn't even want to charge for ASUDT?


Posted by: Lola

Quote:
Originally posted by ASUDT
No I see no conflict of interest between the ASUDT and NC-NY Talent 18 modeling basically because NC-NY Talent 18 Modeling can only bring models from foreign countries that are classified as Supermodels based on a conversation I had with the U.S. Department of Immigration.

Quote:
Originally posted by FlashingEyes
I think it is very important for everyone here to understand that Chris Okano is a janitor but he wants to be rich and run a big modeling agency - hey, who wouldn't - and the women he meets here and through his ASUDT business are planning to come to the West already, and even if they don't he can still contract with them for pictures, including nude or semi-nude.
Now how is Chris going to get rich? Obviously he needs a resource noone else has - so of course he is so interested to get more involved in the FSU woman community! Of course he doesn't have much now so he can't pay much but if he can find a few unknowns HE might get rich!!!


If I got right it looks like the russian women trafficing


Posted by: ASUDT

If I am a janitor as you say I don't have a problem with that and I am excited about my other businesses as well and I think in time they'll do ok. My focus is not about becoming filthy rich basically because I can't take it with me when I die. We all know that. I'm here to enjoy life and I'm happy. So how about yourself ? You don't seem to happy?. I'm not going to try to discredit you if you tell me this but what do you do for a living ? Why is what I do for a living making you worry ?

Hey you mentioned my businesses here I'm happy to share the rest of my accomplishments with you also:

I quit school after the 10th grade and after I completed my tour of duty wityh the Navy I got my GED.

After this I went to college and received two degrees an A.A. in Education and the other an A.S. in Medical Laboratory Technology.

In 1987 I received my rating as an Underwater Instructor with the National Association Of Underwater Instructors NAUI#10581.

After this I graduated from the Police academy certification course was the President of my class and was awarded the top gun award for marksmanship.

I also taught at Beaufort Community College for five years as a Diving Instructor teaching recreational and Commercial Diving.

After this I started my own business called Diver Corps Commercial Diving Company performing commercial diving services for , boaters municipalities , businesses and the Government from 1989 until I became ill with Glucose intolerance in 2001 which forced me to make a career change due to my health.

I started Maintenance Services Company performing exterior cleaning and spray painting in 2001 to present.

In 2003 I started the ASUDT and NC-NY Talent 18 Modeling in order to start developing a business that is less physically demanding on me so that as I get sicker progressively I'll be able to make a living to support myself.

I also am an endorsed member of the International Society of Explosives Engineers.

A member of the International Society of Dive Rescue Specialists Inc.

I'm a member of the Casting Society of America

A member of Advertising Photographers of America APA.

And a former Member of the Association of Commercial Diving Contractors ADC.

I am also currently attending an online degree program at Excelsior College located in Albany , NY in Psychology and one day hope to attain my Doctorate in Psychology.

I'm happy and as you can see I like doing things )))) I'm not tellig you all this because I want to impress you because I'm not so sure you can be impressed by anyone much less a janitor like me. I just thought I'd make the point that I haven't been sitting on my ass doing nothing during my life; maybe all the things I've done hasn't made me rich but the 17 people I saved from drowning during my career were happy I was there on the day they were dying.
So for everyone whom I think would feel the same as I do about what they have done with their life in regard to whether it was good ,bad sucessful or unsuccessful to other people I say this:

If you think I care what you think then obviously you have mistaken me for someone that gives a **** )))))))Because IDGARAWYT : I don't give a rats ass what you think. I am sure the rest of you would feel the same.

The ASUDT will continue to do what it feels is beneficial at no charge.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally posted by ASUDT:you're still a young man

At 44!!! Well... you are a right-thinking individual!

Quote:
ASUDT also writes:One you have not been dealing with Foreign dating sites for a long time or you would have already encountered many women requesting tickets to come to America, large sums of money and other large requests for assistance.


This is the reason I correspond through dating sites. I am the one bearing the costs of correspondence. Ladies just need to show and write a letter.

Quote:
ASUDT also writes: You are smart not to give money however once you being to really have feelings for someone you're writing and you have been communicating with them for a couple of months and they ask you to help them you may feel different about doing so. That is when you will learn about their trustworthyness and devotion to you.


Anybody can burn anybody in this thing, y'know? But there are far too many testimonials in the RMP and other forums that advise, OVER AND OVER, don't send money until you meet them. Tough as it is I will say no, no matter how debilitating the purported illness until I have the chance to "touch" the situation, that is, have it in front of me.

Quote:
ASUDT also writes: shocked to think that anyone could be so callous and uncaring shows me that you are still learning the hard side of life and what people are capable of.


Hey you helped save her life--- don't doubt you. But your wife and all the spitting? Because.... she's ill and foul-tempered, resentful. I mean this part of the story has a huge hole in it. Did you do something to her that prompted her to go ballistic? I just don't understand what prompts the abuse from her, and why you tolerated it. I would guess this all occurred while her life is hanging by a thread, that's why you cut her slack and stayed with her.

The story gets a bit hazy here.

Quote:
ASUDT also writes:Let's define the word scammer with regard to foreign relationships: Anyone that writes the same identical chain letter to a number of men is a scammer.


Well all girls write a letter of introduction. I try and reply with some questions, or statements of my own. I would hope in the 2nd letter from them they would at least address them. To that end, all but a few have worked out precisely this way, and for the few that haven't, I've stopped writing them. If the letter don't have a personal connection to me I just don't pursue it.

Quote:
ASUDT also writes: Good luck with U.I. Team this season


Many thanks for your wishes. The Illini are definitely ROLLING! (My God!) Who would have ever figured? And this was an Illini fan who was real sad when Bill Self departed for Kansas (I thought he would get the UI a national championship). It's really turning Bruce Weber into the toast of the state.

I have to mention: The NCAA Final Four will be in St. Louis this year. For the Illini to appear here, with such a home crowd, would be magnificent! But!!!! If you want to find decent tickets for the Final-4...GOOD LUCK. You'll have to get them from a scalper... at a big markup... because the supply of even half-way decent seats is TIGHT!

All of us in Illinois are hoping for the best.


Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally posted by Lola: Oh yes, I know a lot of stories when westerners said they love and want to marry in their correspondence and forgot to say their correct address , full name and a phone number that works ... and in general they forgot even to divorce--- so what about this? is it scam?


Good point Lola!!!

Hey I can get lit up in all this writing! I can leave a computer terminal with a sweet little buzz (that smitten thing, doncha' know).

But I am not declaring LOVE for anyone, anywhere, until I've met them! God... at least once... hopefully 2x or more.

Its great to get flush with all this, but there has to be some reasonable limit in it, y'know?


Posted by: ASUDT

Your thoughts are good and you're right about the wife. She came here not knowing any English. I had tried to get her started there before she came here. Because she was ill she was worrying most of the time and stayed at home while I was working. She didn't know how to drive and couldn't speak English at that time to get her license. She was basically angry with me becuse I did not have a house of my own but she knew this and about my financial situation before she came here . Still she wanted more than a Town House Apartment. There were many things that she did not like about America and she loved her Mother , Father and Sister dearly and missed them greatly. All this coupled with fear of dying from heart failure suddenly leaving her 9 year old Daughter Motherless was huge stress and misery couple with her lack of English ability when she came here and her imagination that I was rich. Now she is fine working , speaking English and feeling 100 percent better. We worked together through all of these problems and helped her achieve the things she needed to acheive like learnig to drive, English , work documents and the attainment of her cosmetologists license. It's really a sad story but she has her life her daughter a Mother and that's alot better. Still paying the 88K here a little at a time on my own. When you're married and things are really tough you'll always take it out on the person closest to you no matter how much they love you. I loved her with all my heart but that's not what she really wanted and my best wasn't enough it was material first and with me the foundation is love upon which everything else should be constructed on. Everyone's different in that respect. All in all I spent about 180K half of which I'm still paying for . I don't regret it just couldn't deal with her anger and lack of appreciation for doing the best I could.
You're a smat guy just becareful there are many wonderful FSU women who are very kind , caring and devoted. I've always thought the world of them even the ones that think I'm a janitor. ))


Posted by: sidney

Quote:
You keep ranting and raving but since you are apparently unable to grasp the conflict that myself and others have with Asudt maybe it would be better if you listened more.

FlashingEyes, I read this thread from the beginning and still question why you have this personal vandeta? When someone disagrees with you your response is to tell them to stop posting.
Quote:
Prove it or shut your trap.

This attitude should go a long way in establishing a relationship with a woman from the FSU.
Sid


Posted by: ASUDT

Hey sidney ;

She needs to have a little time to cool down. I said some thing to her that really upset her. I am ok with the things she said. I may not agree with them but I understand she's angry with me right now.

Once she realizes that I'm really not trying to con anyone I think she'll feel a little better.


I appreciate what you've done to try to resolve the situation for the forum and between Flashing Eyes and myself. I know she's a good person and very intelligent too.

Thanks


Posted by: sidney

ASUDT , your difficult relationship with your exwife seems to be more the ecception then the rule. I only know of one story similar to yours and my friend should have saw the red flags from the start. He was sending her $1000/month in Moscow before they met and married and she said it wasn't enough money. He was then sending $1200/month and she has been milking him ever since. He thought he could buy love but I doubt there is enough money in this world to do that. I haven't seen him for a while so I don't know what is going on at this point. Late last year he bought her a baby grand piano because she enjoys playing. Also a new nissan car and she only has an international license which was bought in Moscow with little road time. Not uncommon if you have enough money. She went to visit her son late last year and hasn't returned so it may be a one way trip. My friend had hoped for and deserved better. It was a first marriage for him and third for her. They are both approx 50. She was used to a good life with the last husband being an airline pilot. He just never returned home. I know she was shopping for husband number four soon after the marriage. I do know of many marriages are are working and very well including my own. I wish you the best in your seach. You seem to have much to offer the right woman. None of us are perfect but the right attitude will take you far. Good luck
Sid


Posted by: Jim_FL

FlashingEyes,
While oddly enough I agree with you, in as much as there is certainly the potential for inpropriety between 2 of ASDUTs businesses, and the fact that the storyline has some gaping holes and contradictions (whether intentional or not), I must remind you to review the terms of use that you agreed to when signing up at this board, and request that post your opinions in a respectful manner.

BTW(and way off topic) The richest and most influential man I've ever met made his fortune selling toilet paper to janitors (keep in mind that I've met quite a few Palm Beach / Jupiter Island residents - a virtual who's who of rich and influential families in America)


Posted by: ConnerVT

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Originally posted by Jim_FL
BTW(and way off topic) The richest and most influential man I've ever met made his fortune selling toilet paper to janitors

C'mom, Jim! We both know that's a bunch of $hit...


Posted by: ASUDT

You know there might just be a market here LOL


Posted by: FlashingEyes

Chris,

You haven't made me angry. If anything I've been amused by all this, but most things in life amuse me, even the challenges. I genuinely believe that you often stretch and obscure the truth, and that whether you admit it in your own mind, that you do have certain conflicts of interest which make it inappropriate for you to be offering your services to the FSU community. I will continue to do everything in my power to protect that community.

Here is a thought: if you read the forum guidelines you will find that you are not supposed to post links to other websites, and not