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Message From Another Board About Russian Women
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Posted by: James Riske

I found this message on another board about Russian women. You know, if I read this a couple years ago, I would have totally dismissed it as being from a guy who is just bitter or got 'burned'. But you know, a lot of what he says is true and many men on here have alluded to the same thing.

I think it is not so much speaking of Russian women but of women in general. But I will also say this: The likelihood of being scammed or burned or used by a Russian woman on the mail order bride sites is HIGHER than if you just dated American women from your local area.

(The following will be added for the sensitive people out there who are offended right now at my 'vicious attack' upon women. If you're not a PC person, just ignore it:

And I feel the same way about men in modern relationships too, ladies. Men burn and use women all the time. The number of deadbeat dads and married men screwing around are proof to that.)

Here's the post:

If you date a non-citizen, she'll be nice and sweet and caring and give you tons of sex and persuade you to marry her and you will. Two years later (the minimum required by law), after she becomes a citizen, she'll divorce you and take half your ****. Believe it people. That's what gets me about these manipulative, cold, vicious, back-stabbing evil *****es. They can be so sweet, so nice, so friendly, and so very pleasant, UNTIL they get their damn citizenship and then they will screw you over royally. You will pay dearly for your trust and for all the sex you got. They are wonderful actresses. They will act as if they love you and care for you, and you'll believe it. You won't even suspect what they're scheming.

And as for those mail-order-brides from Russia: Of course they too will appear all nice and sexy and friendly and eager to move in with you and such, but guess what? You will have to pay for her airfare. Then one of three things will happen: 1. She'll marry you and turn into the ***** described in the first paragraph. 2. The moment she gets off the plane, she'll go live with someone else, possibly visit her relatives or something. You were merely her free ride to the states. 3. She'll just keep your money, stay in Russia, and you'll never hear from her again.

Do you know even one person who married a Russian non-citizen and is still happily married more than 2 years later? I didn't think so. Maybe if you're rich, they'll stay. They'll leech off you for as long as they can. They hang around while the money keeps flowing, but as soon as you cut off the flow of cash, gifts, jewelry, clothes, and vacations, they take as much as they can, they leave, and then they blame the break-up on you for being "cheap". Those parasitic, heartless, gold-digging, *****es have NO CONSCIENCE at all whatsoever, so don't say I didn't warn you.

Am I bitter? You better believe it. You'd be bitter too if you went through the **** I did. And several guys I've spoken to about Russian women have the same experience. If you're gonna hook up with a Russian woman, make sure she's got her citizenship, a place to stay, a job, and is pretty much settled in the US.""""""

Remember, I DID NOT write what is quoted above, so don't flame me for it. But I will add that they don't even have to wait the required two years anymore and can merely divorce you after alleging 'spousal abuse'. Some even just set you up to yell at them and get confrontational. (showing up with their Russian boyfriend and making out in front of you, for example - which happened to my friend).

This is NOT an overall attack on women or Russian women but it certainly does exist and one has to be careful and protect themselves.

James

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Posted by: Jerico

Just before 3 months goes by , send her back to the manufacturer for repair or replacement or full refund of moneys spent

Posted by: Missouri

Geez Riske- I'm at a loss for words.

You sure know how to take the fun out of it!

Posted by: Missouri

Riske- Oh! I forgot- You're not the author- Well you still took the fun out of it, anyway!!!

Posted by: rob_we

Jerico
Hihi see another adavance of being european. We have a full repair, money back waranty for 2 years.

except expendable parts of course

so maybe you get stuck on the false nails ...

Posted by: James Riske

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Originally posted by Missouri
Riske- Oh! I forgot- You're not the author- Well you still took the fun out of it, anyway!!!

No, I'm not the author, I wouldn't be as negative as he was but I do agree in part with what he says. I think a lot of guys get burned by the usual American woman and then start to see Russian women through jaded eyes, especially after reading all the nonsense on the mail order bride sites and seeing all the sweet pictures.

Never forget: women are women, men are men, and people are people no matter where they are from.

I believe there is a higher likelihood of getting scammed or used by a Russian woman because of: the desperation of American men in general, their relative impovershed condition, their perception of American's wealth, their cultural acceptance of being 'cunning' and using trickery, and the enouragement and involvement of the mail order bride agencies. They doctor up photos, change women's descriptions and posts, encourage them to write back to men they are not interrested in, etc.

I know many many Russian women here who are young and married much older American men and are simply using them as sugar daddys and as a joke. To them, it's just a game and an adventure to come here and get spoiled and pampered and to have some older guy bend over backwards to keep them. They know they can dump him at any time and either return to Russia or just get a Russian guy here. I have met a couple happy couples here but the number of little Russian scammers outnumbers them by 3 to 1 so far in my experiences.

(For easily offended PC people only: Of course the American older men who court these women are at fault too, I do acknowlege that and there's no need to point that out to me in order to balance the blame)

James

Posted by: rob_we

James
look. Maybe theres another reason. I know quite a lot people who got burned. In germany, in italy, in england, in us in russia anywhere on the planet. I know a nice girl who managed to marry 4 alcoholics in a row who beat her. 2 germans one american, one dutch.
I was never burned before in my life and i guess there are some people out there who wasnt either. I always managed, as my former gf or my former wife did, to keep a certain level when it came to seperation... I think it depends on the people. You can not prevent some people from getting burned because they just look for it in a way (by choosing certain types). As I said in my example this girl managed to find those guys. And others manage to find those girls wherever they look on the planet. If you have a "getting burned" problem then you have to work on yourself maybe more then on huge blacklists.
Otherwise there will be no forum, no friend, and no list in the world being able to "protect" you from yourself.... Thats one of the major points to me...

Posted by: parasionok

Men, stop breeding Russian scammers!

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By David Timmerman

To start off I want to tell you a little about myself. My name is David Timmerman I am an American and I own a web design company called Web Setters. I have corresponded with several Russian women in the last few years. The first one was a doctor in Moscow. After about six months of correspondence she attempted to get a visa to America because I was so busy getting my company going, there was no way that I could have come to Moscow for another six months. She gave up after finding out how hard it would be to get the visa and stopped correspondence. No money was ever asked for.

The next girl that I started writing lived in Tashkent. After about four months of correspondence I decided I wanted to go visit her and try to get her in to come back with me. As I was waiting on my paperwork she told her x-husband that she was going to America with their son and he took legal action to stop her. She then was faced with a choice, her son or me. I don�t have to tell you what the choice was.

After she told me that she could never leave her son I put an ad on a site where Russian women browse American men that would like a Russian wife. The first response I got from the ad was a woman (maybe) who lived in Kiev. Each letter accompanied a picture of a beautiful woman. There were two red flags that went off. The first all the pictures file names we names like: 76.jpg, 21.jpg. 15.jpg. That is a major red flag because names like that are what I use in designing a site like that are part of a library. A real girl will send pictures with names like: thepark.jpg, vacation.jpg, kitchen.jpg. The other red flag was she never really wrote her letters like she was writing to me. I would tell her about what is happening in my life and her reply would almost never address anything in my letter. All she would talk about is how important it is that we get together. Now comes the acid test.

After about a month of letters I had a business trip to Myrtle Beach. The business could be done in one day but it is business and Myrtle Beach so everything is a tax deduction. I planed the trip for 4 days. That way I would have one day of business and 3 days of the beach. When I got to town my truck was running on empty so I stopped at a convenience store to gas up. At the checkout I met a girl from Russia and she spent most of the 4 days with me. She told me that she was on a summer tour of the US with a group. I asked how hard it was to get a visa and she told me that she applied with 10 of her friends and she was the only one that was accepted. Guys, remember that when your girl tells you she can get a visitation visa. This was a great chance to learn about each other�s culture. She told me that she learned a lot more about America hanging out with a real American that she could have with the tour group and I also enjoyed her telling me about Russia.

After I got back I wrote my girl in Kiev about my trip and told her about the girl from Russia. There was no reaction at all like she didn�t care. Now I knew the she was a scammer and she just hasn�t got around asking for money yet. Then she wrote that an agency could get her a passport and visa and all I had to do it tell her where to come. She still didn�t ask for money so I wrote back and told her where to come. I knew that they couldn�t get her a ticket here and she would have to fly to Atlanta but she wrote back telling me that she could fly here and she needed $1000 for the trip. After that I wrote her back and told her that $1000 wasn�t in the budget at this time and I would have told her earlier if she asked. She wrote back telling me that she was going on vacation and that was the last I heard. I later found that the pictured she sent me were of a model in Moscow named Inna Gomez.

After that I had two other scammers contact me, one is on the black list.

I am now corresponding with a girl in Gomel and I am sure she it for real.

I wrote all this so you will get to know me and understand my background in Russian scams.

I want to start of reminding you that men in America get scammed by women here all the time. My best friend is a lawyer and he tells me about cases where men sent money to women under false pretenses. He even had a case where a woman was scammed by women. It�s because American men have the idea they can buy a woman and American women will let you try. I proved it myself. I put an ad on a dating site with pictures of a beautiful woman and to date I have had 39 men write me back wanting me to come visit them as well as 9 marriage proposals including one from a US Senator (I will never kiss and tell). The point is I could easily write any one of these men with a story about how I would love to come see them but I don�t have any money for a plane ticket and they would wire me anything I ask for. It would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. Even if they find the truth out no law was broken because they sent me the money of their own free will. American women have done this for years and now Russian women are learning what pushovers we are. My feelings about this is if you are dumb enough to send money to someone you met on the Internet because of some BS story it�s like the old Toyota ads say: �You Asked For It - - - You Got It�. The bad thing is you are screwing up a beautiful thing.

The reason for searching for a wife in Russia is because women in Russia are more interested in your warm heart and great personality, not your money. They are not looking for a meat ticket like American women and sending them money is changing that.

Most Americans think about buying everything including friendship, loyalty, trust, and love. All you need to do is take a good look at how American men act. They spend a lot of money on what they call power cars. They spend a lot of money on clothing. There are places where you may spend $50 on a meal where they will take their dates. I have know men that live in a shack where the roof is about to fall down so they can afford to make that monthly payment on their Vet or Trans Am. I also have known men to carry a large bankroll of about $500 or $600 to flash around. This whole thing is about impressing women.

By doing these things we have created our own flock of scammers right here in America. Many American men (including myself) will complain that women have heads like cash registers but they never think that we are the ones that created this.

Now that the �Cold War� has come to and end and we are learning that Russian people (especially women) are nothing like we were lead to believe we are finding out that the unspoiled Russian women are like a breath of fresh air next the money hungry American women that we have created. Well guess what, we are now doing this to the Russian women. Take a look at the men that are bragging about all they have. I had one man want to send a girl a picture of his sailboat rather that a picture of himself. He said: �I got to show her what I have�. These girls are learning fast and now we have more and more that are only looking for money. I am writing this because this American men and Russian women is a great idea but we need to show the Russian women what great men we are. Not what we have. If a man is looking for a wife in Russia we must do the following:

Start off being honest with both the girls and ourselves about why you want a Russian bride. If you want a woman that will be impressed with you because you have money, nice cars, a big home, etc. - don�t waste your time and money on a Russian bride. Stick to American women because the only woman that you will impress will think like the women here. I have never been one to go for using things like money to impress woman. I have never felt like I needed to because I am a nice guy. I am the type that will help my wife with the homework or do nice things for her. In my marriage I never cheated on my wife. The problem with that is American women have been trained to think that men are there to use so they will use a man like that. Russian women have not been trained to think that way so they will not use you. They will be happy to find a man that appreciates them and helps them around the house.

On a closing note I wanted to add that any man that sends money to a girl he meets on the Internet before they meet fact to fact deserves to get scammed - but I would like for men to think about what they are doing because this is the last hope for many men to meet a wife that will want a strong family.

From here http://www.womenrussia.com/blacklist5.htm

Posted by: ConnerVT

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Originally posted by parasionok
Men, stop breeding Russian scammers!

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On a closing note I wanted to add that any man that sends money to a girl he meets on the Internet before they meet fact to fact deserves to get scammed

Wow... Something like Never send money to someone you have never met.

Posted by: parasionok

Conner,

yeah, this guy is saying exactly this very thing... Good you noticed.

Posted by: Jerico

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On a closing note I wanted to add that any man that sends money to a girl he meets on the Internet before they meet fact to fact deserves to get scammed

I would also like to add that when you do meet them this does not mean you need to be there personal bank account either

Although sometimes you may think you have a job at the bank.

Not implying this relates to my scenario with my fiancee

Jerry

Posted by: Tex

"Never forget: women are women, no matter where they are from."

James, women are women is correct, just as apples and oranges are fruit. But comparing American women to Russian women is like comparing apples to oranges.

Posted by: FlashingEyes

the expression "it's like comparing apples and oranges" is as flawed as the "good fences make good neighbors" expression that Frost obliterated in his famous poem. If I was going to think of 10 things that might be most comparable to apples, oranges would certainly be on the list. Meanwhile, 99.9% of all things in this universe are LESS similar to apples than oranges. So ultimately a comparison of apples to oranges is a sound comparison, not an impossible one as the saying suggests. I have asked the mindless herd-people who use this expression on many occasions to provide me with any important example of how apples and oranges cannot be accurately compared and they are never able to find one.

Posted by: theworkingman

Some of you guys might think this is funny. I guess that it is in a way but its my ass as well. I went to meet my scammer and damn she is so good that she didn't even put out. Do you think that maybe it could be love? It was more like she did the exact oposite of what a scammer might do. Could she be for real?

Posted by: Jill

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But comparing American women to Russian women is like comparing apples to oranges.

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more. Of course, I am an American woman--so does that make me an apple or an orange?

At any rate, I have never dated any Russian women (or American women for that matter), but I do count both Russian and American women among my closest friends. The differences between the two are negligible. And my Russian women friends and I do engage in "girl talk" so I know all the sordid details of their romances

I think there are some western men who would be quite surprised by the things they sometimes say and think

Posted by: Tex

Of course you couldn't disagree more. You are an American woman.

Jill, let's just agree to respectully disagree. I have dated many American women. I have dated many Russian women. In this one man's opinion (and that's all I am expressing here Jill, this one man's opinion) Russian women and American women are as different as apples are to lobster (how's that Flashingeyes

).

Most men I know, including myself, after having met and being involved with a few Russian women, can never go back to an American woman again.

Posted by: Jill

That's fine. Although I would also argue that many AM who have spent significant time in the FSU and have come to know a large number of women (and often those who are proficient in Russian and can speak to them easily without a translator), also tend to agree that the differences between AW and RW aren't nearly as great as they had once thought. They are several members of this very forum who have even asserted as much.

And I don't disagree as an American woman , I disagree as someone who has lived in both the US and in the FSU, who speaks both Russian and English, and who has had--and has--close friendships with both Russians and Americans.

You are certianly entitled to your opinion as well. So we can leave it as that.

Posted by: bdoug71

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Originally posted by Jill
At any rate, I have never dated any Russian women (or American women for that matter), but I do count both Russian and American women among my closest friends. The differences between the two are negligible. And my Russian women friends and I do engage in "girl talk" so I know all the sordid details of their romances I think there are some western men who would be quite surprised by the things they sometimes say and think

Please give the sordid details.. Woo Hoo

Posted by: Jill

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Please give the sordid details.. Woo Hoo

Well, the point was simply that many of the streotypes commonly made about American women's attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, and expectations of relationships are just as common among Russian women. You will hear them say the exact same things that you will hear American women say, and express exact same complaints, desires, hopes, criticisms, etc.

Posted by: Vyesna

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Originally posted by Jill
Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more. Of course, I am an American woman--so does that make me an apple or an orange?

:

You know, I've always felt more like a mango myself-- or maybe a strawberry. I refuse to participate or be characterized by such a limited comparison. I'm sure the women who feel more like grapes or whortleberries wouldn't appreciate it either.

Posted by: Jill

I actually don't mind being called an orange. I grew up in Florida, after all

Although sometimes I feel more like a tomato

Posted by: ham

my opinion is as follows.
i reject both the "looser" theories of various shapes & kinds, which (supposedly ) apply to men; and the facing theory all FSUWs are heartless visa raiders.

These theories try to turn against anyone the simple statement we all have needs & we all are seeking some/thing/one.
Quite odd.
Then men (usually) reply they have models & scholars (female) lined up in front of what the "looser" theory refers to as "their trailer in the park", begging for a date.
Which is complete nonsense, because if i had models lined up for a date, i wouldn't have time to bother with the FSU & its women, right?
It turns out i am not some clone of some actor or soap opera star, i'm no millionaire, either.
What a surprise.

After years (loosely) in the process, i have concluded that (for many reasons) i'd like to move to the FSU & i'm seeing what i can do ( slowly learning russian etc ).

This because it is my opinion that the population at large in the FSU is fine.
It is the LD/WWW/MOB scene that is crowded by posers, pretenders & liars beyond belief.
This applies as well to the onshore WWW/MOB/LD scene.
The population at large is foreign to such twisted world & would know no way to come to terms with it.
This applies to the FSU as well as France or Brasil.

I've had enough weird experiences with the ONSHORE LD/WWW/MOB scene.

I don't need a great IQ to evince the people i'm going to meet are (for the most part ) either "professionals" or chipped shoulders in need of an head shrinker...and so be it, but i no longer accept to act as scapegoat.
They shall visit a psychotherapist & pay the damn bill.

There are the "players" & "novelty seekers" as well.
They may not have a chipped shoulder, but are not serious & are only after self-indulgence or trading-up.

The validation of this comes from the fact a handful scammers ( who turned that into a business ) are blurring the whole picture.
Increasing reports reveal that a few hundreds scammers moltiplicate into tens of thousands of "different identities"...just like other "internet weirdos" do ( i once spotted one on the late RWA forum, who sported 6 different & conflicting personalities! ).

Posted by: Texas Proud

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Originally posted by Jill
Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more. Of course, I am an American woman--so does that make me an apple or an orange?

Jill,..... you are a PEACH!!!

Posted by: Jill

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Jill,..... you are a PEACH!!!