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americans emigrating to Canada?

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Posted by: lester

Just heard a short report on radio.
"Canadian immigration website overloaded by
Americans seeking to relocate after election"
Anyone else heard this?
Seems to be an over the top reaction to me!



Posted by: spamer

I was listening to talk radio shows and heard them talk about this. Usually during elections you get movie star, famous singers who support a candidate. The funny part is the "stars" are trying to use there popularity to generate votes for their candidate.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109300/

When the candidate they are supporting lose they make a really stupid commit. Like Robert Redford "I'm moving to Ireland", Kim Basinger "moving to France" Rose O'Donald "a sad country to live in". Of course nobody leaves (wish they would) and you get a small rush for the boarder.
Read this http://www.glennbeck.com/news/11042004.shtml

It seems (and I could be wrong) that nobody really cares what these "stars" think about life and wish they would do their jobs (acting) and leave the world problems to people who actually know what is going on. Also it seems these "stars" are mostly "B & C" rated people (a few "a" list people) and are trying to kick start their careers again.
http://www.celiberal.com/theWhineRack.php

Maybe these people who make stories in to movies really think what they do is facts and not fiction. Look at Mike Moore, a really good fiction writer.






Posted by: BradIL

Why these unusual locations? Did Monaco finally establish an income tax?

Better yet, maintain an american connection, and establish residency in one of the US commonwealths (Puerto Rico/Virgin Isls.==Northern Marianas===Marshall Isls.). You can reduce your federal income taxes to as low as 3% & visit the 50 states as often as you want.



Posted by: spamer

Maybe they discriminate against people who are not like them. (it's that the true reason they are leaving?) crime rate has something to do with it. I think it's because Canada has free medical ran by the government which it seem democrats want. (well, that's what Kerry wanted to do) Last but not least, Canada liked Kerry because he speaks French and hates Bush because he speaks Spanish.







Posted by: rob_we

spamer
..just allways be sure that everything you guys see and hear delivered by the government is no "land of the free" movie. As a foreigner this looks to me much more like fiction than Moore actually ...

The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest.

President Thomas Jefferson




Posted by: Khashyar

Redford and some of the other Americans who expressed thoughts about leaving the country must be very upset and disappointed about the election to express thoughts about leaving.

My thoughts about this is if you feel upset about an election in your country, or there are other things politically or socially that you do not like, it serves your society better if you stay and try to change what you don't like.

Especially since American Entertainment has a great influence over the cultures of the world, I think that a person can have a great influence over the world (and the U.S.) if they work within the culture of the U.S, and especially in the entertainment industry.

Also, celebrities have supported both of the candidates. If people with corporate money can help and support candidates, then I see nothing wrong with a celebrity with "celebrity capital" to support a candidate as well.

Khashyar



Posted by: parasionok

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/





Posted by: Khashyar

Hi parasionok,

The link that you posted was both funny, interesting and amuzing, and thanks for positng it.

At the same time, I think that posting it three times is probably enough for people to be able to see it and visit it if they wish to

Thanks,

Khashyar



Posted by: parasionok

Khashyar ,

I posted it 3 times or someone else posted that before? Sorry, I didn't mean to and I didn't realise it appeared 3 times here already.... I will be more careful next time with the links.





Posted by: Khashyar

it's o.k.

I just thought that 3 times was enough for the link to be posted...

Thanks for conscientious...

Khashyar



Posted by: lolomarseille

Quote:
Originally posted by lester
Just heard a short report on radio.
"Canadian immigration website overloaded by
Americans seeking to relocate after election"
Anyone else heard this?
Seems to be an over the top reaction to me!



this one:

http://marryanamerican.ca/



Posted by: lolomarseille

Quote:
Originally posted by Khashyar
it's o.k.

I just thought that 3 times was enough for the link to be posted...

Thanks for conscientious...

Khashyar


sorry it's me who posted it too much...(caught in french conservative press)



Posted by: lolomarseille

Quote:
Originally posted by BradIL
Why these unusual locations? Did Monaco finally establish an income tax?

Better yet, maintain an american connection, and establish residency in one of the US commonwealths (Puerto Rico/Virgin Isls.==Northern Marianas===Marshall Isls.). You can reduce your federal income taxes to as low as 3% & visit the 50 states as often as you want.


the word for marshalls etc is : colonies

well, about Monaco, ( i know well, i'm close from) there is no simple answer, as monaco is not an independant state, and not a state at all, just a strange thing...



Posted by: spamer

Khashyar, I agree with what you are saying. Where the public has fun with the celebrities is they don't match what they say to what they do. Example would be Rosie O. giving hell to Tom Sellek over gun control on her show and then doing commercials for a store that sells guns.
In the past there has been a large amount of celebrities that have made commits that make me think things over, then again there are a few that have made commits that have had me laughing until it hurts. Lets face it, stupid things last longer in memories than good things do.

As far as Americans wanting to leave this country over who go elected to where, all I have to say is "BYE BYE" I am going to have fun making fun of you.

When you grow up and learn the legal system then you can come back and act like a adult.



Posted by: parasionok

Spamer,

unfortunately people are leaving. I don't know whether those people you are going to laugh out loud about are worth your time, I really cannot say. What I am sad about is that long time ago lots of Russians said good-bye to most distinguished and indespensible people in russia: Brodsky, Nabokov, Solzhenitzin, Sakharov, I mean I cannot even start to write a list of them here: too many of them... or lots of people happily said good-bye to Einstein, Marlene Dietrich, Brecht, etc... I think the Russians were really happy to get rid of those guys who were not in agreement to the government's course or philosophy. They were proclaimed to be traitors or a laughing stock for those who expelled them by force or by political regime...

Sounds very familiar to me what is going on now in several counties including the US. Do not rush and laugh about celebrities leaving, maybe in the future you will cry about the outcome... Just be careful about your judgment now...



Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally posted by lolomarseille
the word for marshalls etc is : colonies


No I don't think so. Your friends at the UN insisted we owed them money from our treasury. As I recall, President Reagan wanted to get rid of the UN trust territories, but the locals in the pacific didn't want to dissolve their connections with the US. So, in the mid 1980's two new commonwealths were created. Like we need anymore.

So lolo... if Puerto Rico & the Virgin Islands, the Marianas, the Marshalls, want independence this is one american eager to grant it to them. You know France can take them anytime they want. Just get the locals to agree sign a new commonwealth agreement with your country and we'll be glad to hand you all the responsibility & the financial burden--- really!



Posted by: BradIL

Lolo--- Monaco a thing? An internationally recognized principality that France is so eager to administer for, and collect a decent fee for such services. Now what kind of attitude is that?



Posted by: sidney

I would like to know who left the US because of the vote results? I don't know anyone but the people I associate with are more rational then some. I tried a seach but found no list.
Sid



Posted by: spamer

Parasionok, I understand what you are saying. It's just you are comparing great minds of the world to actors. Actors are people who create illusion for money.

I'm talking about a man today in the news who shot himself because he didn't want Bush to be president! I'm talking about actors who say they're leaving in protest until the person THEY want is in office. (they wanted Kerry to win and Bush won, so they're leaving and taking there toys with them) Of course they don't want to give up there citizenship. They just are leaving to protest.

I feel if you think something is wrong, then help fix it. Don't run from it. What these people are doing remind me of a spoiled child who needs a good spanking.

Here's something else, do you know why they want to go to Canada? Because they speak English. Mexico is easier to move to, cheaper to live. but they speak Spanish and these people are too lazy to learn Spanish.

Truly what they are doing is a insult to me. Americans don't run from a problem, they stand and work together and fix it. Just like every person who comes to this message board. We stand together and help each other fix our problems. Nobody here runs.

Like I said before "bye bye"

Parasionok, I'm not yelling at you and please don't look at it that way. This is a touchy subject with me and maybe I should step down on this post.

Sid, I think nobody really has left, 1 suicide but nobody's leaving



Posted by: ConnerVT

Heard there was a whole busload of actors just waiting to cross the Canadian border: Jim Carrey, Donald and Keiffer Sutherland, Keanu Reeves, Jason Priestley, Mike Myers, Howie Mandell, newscaster Peter Jennings, Rick Moranis, and Michael J. Fox just to name a few...



Posted by: Jerico

Dont let the door hit them on the way out !!
Jerry



Posted by: lolomarseille

Quote:
Originally posted by BradIL
Lolo--- Monaco a thing? An internationally recognized principality that France is so eager to administer for, and collect a decent fee for such services. Now what kind of attitude is that?


no no , it's not like that
it's really a strange thing, one of the five deepholes for black money, you know, it's very very very little


btw, first offshore banks were created during the war by the nazis and vychist for washing money



Posted by: lolomarseille

Quote:
Originally posted by BradIL
No I don't think so. Your friends at the UN insisted we owed them money from our treasury. As I recall, President Reagan wanted to get rid of the UN trust territories, but the locals in the pacific didn't want to dissolve their connections with the US. So, in the mid 1980's two new commonwealths were created. Like we need anymore.

So lolo... if Puerto Rico & the Virgin Islands, the Marianas, the Marshalls, want independence this is one american eager to grant it to them. You know France can take them anytime they want. Just get the locals to agree sign a new commonwealth agreement with your country and we'll be glad to hand you all the responsibility & the financial burden--- really!



you're describing a colonial situation!
i dunnot understand why micronesia is not the 52th state, capitole in guam, and puerto rico the 51th



Posted by: rob_we

Spamer
Quote:
It's just you are comparing great minds of the world to actors. Actors are people who create illusion for money.


mhmm Marlene was an actor. And the question is if this are the only ones. I don´t know. Einstein just didn´t come back from a trip to us. No promo. Us at this time was a bastion of freedom.

If its really guys like Jim Carrey, Donald and Keiffer Sutherland, Keanu Reeves, Jason Priestley, Mike Myers, Howie Mandell, newscaster Peter Jennings, Rick Moranis, and Michael J. Fox they are no stupid starlets.

Most of them did critical and special movies that I personally like very much. (Even Shrek is one in a way)(Mike Myers)

Film is something that, if its good, can be in a way compared to the values lost by some great authors in the 30 ies. Its the face and in a way a part of the soul of america, how its seen in the world. I personally think you loose quite something. And also I think america looses the last peace of the myth to be the land of the free... Thats a petty...



Posted by: lolomarseille

Einstein came in france first
but some people did not wanted him as a german and a jew, so at least he choosed ( he did not wanted to) to cross the atlantic
he was right



Posted by: rob_we

lolo,

not absolutely He gave a pressconference in pasadena, that he will not go back to germany, and went to Belgium, and New York, before he came to Princeton... Don´t know about france actually
but doesn´t matter anyway Fact is he never returned to germany



Posted by: lolomarseille

no no
he emigrated in france first
it's the shame of french that they did not succeed to give him a work at university;;;;it's why i know the story



Posted by: rob_we

lolo
ahh interresting. I didn´t know that! But actually its quite good he couldn´t stay.
They (germans) would have gotten him then maybe later....
So he discovered the stupidity of the cosmological constant exactly on the very place that now prooves again that nothing is static: no ideas, no laws, no societies and no universe
Funny how politically the theory of relativity can be



Posted by: lolomarseille

very audacious!
:-))



Posted by: rob_we

lolo
about inventing it in the first place, or about saying its the biggest stupidity ever done by him?



Posted by: lolomarseille

both, no?



Posted by: rob_we

lolo
actually I think if Albert could commit being wrong about some stuff he actually thought about for quite some time, there´s always hope for everybody else to commit being wrong about stuff that was being NOT thought of too much either. I truely believe this



Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:
Originally posted by rob_we
lolo
about inventing it in the first place, or about saying its the biggest stupidity ever done by him?


Inventing what? Einstien didnt invent anything.



Posted by: lolomarseille

aaah
what a very intersting point of view!
theory of general relativity it's nothing for you RobOhio?



Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:
Originally posted by lolomarseille
aaah
what a very intersting point of view!
theory of general relativity it's nothing for you RobOhio?


The theory of relativity is a discovery, not an invention. Inventions are things made by man. Universal laws are discovered not invented.

As for the invention of the Atomic Bomb, that was led by a team of scientists and engineers led primarly by Enrico Fermi and Robert Oppenhemier. Alberts involvement was that he wrote to to the president of the united states in 1939 suggesting that the united states pursue the development of the weapon before the germans succeded in developing the weapon. Einstien was not a part of the Mannhattan Project at either the University of Chicago or at Los Alamos (assuming that you were refering to the bomb that is...)

I have always been deeply facinated with Einstein and his theories. I have a basic laymens grasp of what he was postulating but the mathmatics that supports his postualtions is well beyond my understanding



Posted by: lolomarseille

Karl Popper would have disagree with you
so me too; there are no universal laws but only inventions of man's mind

atom bomb was thought by an international team (between 39 and 42)
( rutherford:british, bohr;dane, etc)
made by us manhattan project



Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:
Originally posted by lolomarseille
Karl Popper would have disagree with you
so me too; there are no universal laws but only inventions of man's mind

atom bomb was thought by an international team (between 39 and 42)
( rutherford:british, bohr;dane, etc)
made by us manhattan project


Karl Pooper is a philosopher, not a physisict or mathmetician. Newton, Enstein and host of theoretical mathmeticians would strongly disagree with Karl Pooper



Posted by: rob_we

RobOhioGuy
Quote:
I have always been deeply facinated with Einstein and his theories. I have a basic laymens grasp of what he was postulating but the mathmatics that supports his postualtions is well beyond my understanding


I was talking about the cosmological constant G.
Its the constant that Einstein used in some of his equations of the theory of relativity to proove that the universe is static, because he could not believe its expanding.

If your interrested in the equation here it is:

p = -p * c ^2 = [c^4/8 pi *G] * lambda

Fact is the universe is expanding (due to todays common scientific astrophysical theories and experiments done) and he admitted to be wrong here.

Btw. the funny thing about the CC is that is is used nowadays in theoretical Quatumphysics sometimes to mathematically describe "dark matter" or the idea of its probability...
even more funny to think that "dark matter" would be the reason to keep anything in place... but I think im going to far now... sorry



Posted by: lolomarseille

(poor english for really serious discussion)
philosopher of science too
epistemology
popper's principle: is scientific that you can proove it's false

exemple; the existence of god does not belong to science, scientists saying god don't exist are wrong

if rope theory is true, relativity theory will vanish a day
btw, my little brother is on top on physics, not me, i stop on this point



Posted by: lolomarseille

seems true that all germans are philosophers or involved in physics



Posted by: rob_we

Robohio
Theres no absolute definition of philosophy.
For some its the science about the global truth, for Aristoteles, it was the science of the global knowledge ,including Maths and physics law and medicine for example. Thats why lots of philosophers were matematicians or physicists in the first place, or maybe at all.
Some say its the science to explain the world. So its appropriate to put Einstein in the list of philosophers of the 20th century, as done by some people.. Its a theory to describe the world and how it works, in words and equations. Astrophysics, quatumphysics, all this are parts of different approaches to explain the world



Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:
Originally posted by rob_we
Robohio
Theres no absolute definition of philosophy.
For some its the science about the global truth, for Aristoteles, it was the science of the global knowledge ,including Maths and physics law and medicine for example. Thats why lots of philosophers were matematicians or physicists in the first place, or maybe at all.
Some say its the science to explain the world. So its appropriate to put Einstein in the list of philosophers of the 20th century, as done by some people.. Its a theory to describe the world and how it works, in words and equations. Astrophysics, quatumphysics, all this are parts of different approaches to explain the world


I studied quite a bit of both at Ohio State...


My point was that I dont agree with Pooper about there being no universal laws. I personally havent studied or read any of his work. I was mearly pointing out that someone on here stated that Pooper's contention is that there are no universal laws. Boht Newton and Enstien would not agree with this view point. Gravity and Repulsion are universal laws.

BTW I took quite a bit of philosophy in college. Phlisophy of logical thinking ect...



Posted by: RobOhioGuy

Quote:
Originally posted by rob_we
RobOhioGuy


I was talking about the cosmological constant G.
Its the constant that Einstein used in some of his equations of the theory of relativity to proove that the universe is static, because he could not believe its expanding.

If your interrested in the equation here it is:

p = -p * c ^2 = [c^4/8 pi *G] * lambda

Fact is the universe is expanding (due to todays common scientific astrophysical theories and experiments done) and he admitted to be wrong here.

Btw. the funny thing about the CC is that is is used nowadays in theoretical Quatumphysics sometimes to mathematically describe "dark matter" or the idea of its probability...
even more funny to think that "dark matter" would be the reason to keep anything in place... but I think im going to far now... sorry


Actually, the conclusions of his own work suggested an expanding universe. He didnt like the conclusions of his own work and thus the constant G



Posted by: rob_we

Robohio
I understand your point. Maybe lolo meant more the idea that he rejects the view that it is the characteristic method of scientific investigation and inference, and substitutes falsifiability in its place.... Poppers methods are very important in Astro- and Quantumphysics nowadays because first objects are to far away and second are too small to investigate
By the way gravity is something quite weared. There are theories that explain why gravity is actually no single force, and explain why its so hard to explain in the first place. As you know in general relativity, gravity is no longer a force (as it was in Newton's law of gravity) but is a consequence of the curvature of space-time. So it follows the laws of simple thermodynamics now what explains why the law of the preserverance of energy is not broken, what would have happened due to the newtanian way to explain gravity ... ok ok sorry im taken away again here

by the way I put an easy read on the web for anyone who is interrested in some theories about this... I stop now

http://www.donut-universe.info/

Quote:
Actually, the conclusions of his own work suggested an expanding universe. He didnt like the conclusions of his own work and thus the constant


Absolutely, this is why he said it was the biggest stupidity ("die größte Eselei meines Lebens")



Posted by: BradIL

Quote:
Originally posted by ConnerVT
Heard there was a whole busload of actors just waiting to cross the Canadian border: Jim Carrey, Donald and Keiffer Sutherland, Keanu Reeves, Jason Priestley, Mike Myers, Howie Mandell, newscaster Peter Jennings, Rick Moranis, and Michael J. Fox just to name a few...


There's our Conner, a seer of the truth. Everybody wants in, now, if they'll only leave!



Posted by: ConnerVT

Glad someone caught my attempt at levity. Seems we were getting bogged down in quantum physics...



Posted by: AkMike

Since they're already Canadians, shouldn't they just burn their GREEN CARDS????



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