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A sad sad story of Actorfirst
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Posted by: parasionok

Just read this strory of a famous man Actorfirst, a talented poet, gifted actor, generous and a God-fearing person looking for his 30 years younger souldmate in Ukraine... Thanks to him we have another scammer reveiled!

www.anastasiaweb.com is associated with the Mariula Agency in Mariupol, Ukraine

The Mariula Agency Information is
Artema st. 82, 40
87500 Mariupol , Ukraine
Tel # 38 0629 52 76 63

Together they have systematically conspired to defraud men with the hope of finding a beautiful bride. They enlist the services of Young Beautiful Women only to have them spend hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars corresponding with women listed on their website....I have just returned from the Ukraine...and have leaned a hard lesson..It cost me more than $ 10,000.00 for correspondance, the group tour, and gifts...only to find out that my Beloved Anastasia ( Nastya)...was there to meet at least one other man...She never asked me for money..until 2 days before I was to arrive in Odessa..I agreed to pay for her transportation//Then after 1 day the Interpreter that accompanied Nastya to Odessa to meet me..Informed me that there were fee's for her services....I was surprised...but agreed

All in all...I caught her...she was to meet with a guy that I became friends with...so I saved him a lot of grief......but at an enormous cost to me financially and emotionally...

The truth is when I first met Nastya...I tried to push her away because of the age difference..But in approximately the 1st 10 letters...she was able to pursuade me that the age difference did not matter..she systematically won my affection....I imagine her University Courses in Psychology paid off....Yes She was Young...Yes She was Beautiful...and will be for a very Long Time....But a Trophy Wife.....I was just looking for The Great Woman...and who cares what the age difference is....Knopa and Natalie...have their own problems I think....and as far as what and who I choose...and she that chooses me..Well..I can tell you first hand....that age does not matter to most Russian/Ukrainian Girls.....At least the ladies I met while I was there...but Nothing Sparked Until My Disaster happened..and then on my last night...I Met an Angel...She was 23...and I met her here at LuckyLovers...and she happens to be a Translator for Anastasia Tours...She is Gorgeous...and I hope to continue our correspondance...You never know what someone is looking for...In her eyes...I could be the Perfect Man...and in my eyes..she..The Most Beautiful Woman in the World.....

So Knopa...and natalie...I hope you are reading this.....You have to stand back and look at yourselves in the Mirror...and decide what it is that you want...and let the rest of us here...try and find what we want...and I hope for you..it is Happiness Beyond Your Wildest Dreams......

" Love...True Love..Transcends All Age Difference........M J "

When I had been corresponding with Nastya..I decide in december of last year to place a call to her through the agency...I spoke with her..and she was very surprised and delighted to hear my voice..we talke and we laughed..and when I hung up...I immediately sent her flowers....She was so responsive to me...and I was delighted.....I alos sent her a package with some items..from my niece’s wedding..photographs, Jewelry, Music CD’s, and a few other items I will not mention..It is Personal......This is what I sent to her during our correspondance....No..as for my Ex-Wife...I do not send her anyhting...because she is my Ex_wife...But when we were together..I gave her many gifts and flowers as well.....

Now...for the other Ladies in Odessa and Nikolaev.....I di meet a few at the Socials...but our meeting was purly Platonic...these were women whi I communicated with as friends...that were also very attractive and warm...Nastya arrived the day after the Socials Ended....I did not date anyone before she arrived...I arranged an apartment for her...took care of all her financial needs for 4 days..Food..and Gifts from America....that I had promised her...I took her shopping for perfume..We walked around Odessa..hand in hand most of the time..when the Interpreter wasn’t getting between us....All in all I was having the time of my Life....This time...was so special to me...and I allowed myself to fall in Love with Nastya...and i told her this...She seemed to be Overwhelmed with Joy and a little Uncertainty..whuich I tried to help her dismiss any doubts or fears about our relationship....But during this time..the Interpreter was making many phone calls...and Nastya made a few calls herself...I didn’t understand until now...that these calls were business..and that they were making arrangements to meet the other guy inviolved in this mess...She was scheduled toleave on the night of September 29th 2004..So iaksed if it was possible to spend one more day with me...she said...she would have to reach her Mother and have Mom..call the University and get additional time off...but she would have to be back at the University by the 31st...Then Suddenly 5 minutes after she packed all her things..She said she reached her mother and all was taken care of and she could stay 1 more day...So the next day..we talked and laughed...and had a wonderful time...I took her and the Interpreter to the Bus Staion...they checked in their bags and we went to a local cafe 1 block from my Hotel...We sat..we had luch...and just talked about our future...and we again exchanged our Feelings of Love...I asked her to Marry Me..and she said, » Yes»...I was overjoyed....At around 4 PM..16:00 we had an emotinal parting..and I walked back to the Hotel...I saw a guy..his name is Tom..standing outside the Hotel..we began to talk...He said he was waiting for His lady/Date to arrive from Mariupol..I said..Really...My Fiancee’ just went back to mariupol..he said..Congratulations...what is her name...I said...Anastasia...he looked at me with wonder...and I said..Whats Wrong Tom...He pulled out his wallet and sure enough..There was My Anastasia’s Picture from her Profile...I said..Tom..This girl hhas just agreed to marry me...So we both went to report...this Indignation to the Represenatives..I told them about all the Gifts I had given this Girl..all the Money for a Computer Internet setup....and they Immediately called Moscow and then Deleted her profile..I asked Tom to go downstairs and wait to see if they would arrive..I went across the street,,because I needed a drink...But i waited too long to go back to the Hotel..1/2 hour...So when I approached Tom again..he said..Marty...you just missed them...they were here and asked for me...and when I said, I think there is a problem..Let me go get marty...They ran to the elevator..and left....The Great Escape...Since this time...I had the representatives contact her..and she Apologized to Me and said that she Loved me..and was very sorry..she did not know that she could fall in love with me through her letters..and I imagine...that Tom was a back-up in the event it did not work out between us.....She also stated that she came back to the Hotel to tell Tom..that she was Engaged to Me and to Tell Him she was sorry..but wanted to do it in person......Well...I bought it..but was very hurt at this deception.....You see..Tom stated that when they ran to the elevator they were either laughing or giggling...I questiooned Nastya about this..and she denied laughing...I was still very hurt and unsure about her Honesty...After all she told me many times that I was the Only man she was corresponding with.....So at this point...I had many more days to go on this tour..so I decided to date some other ladies....I met a woman from Lucky Lovers who happens to be a translator for Anastasia Tours..and she was Beautiful...I also bumped into another Lady..who was very interested in me...and she spent 5 days with me.....But all these dates..occured after the Painful Incident with Nastya......These Ladies all have fine qualities and I am in contact with them..One lady especially is very very found of me..she took me to Nikolaev to meet her family..and her mother made me dinner...It was Great....her name is Marina...Marina wanted me to move to the Ukraine..but this is impossible...No Money there....The Other woman is Irina..an Interpreter...who is absolutely Beautiful...charming, beautiful blue eyes, and a smile that could cause peace throughout the world..very classy lady...I in touch with both of these women...So..You see Blue Morning...I am not really a bad guy..who went shopping for a wife in a meat Market....I was a Victim...and Until the Agency helps me get Closure with regards to Nastya...I will at least have pictures and proof for Immigration..that I have met some of the other ladies..should another relationship develop..and blossom into Love and Marriage

..Thanks for Sharing and Listening..

Your friend Always....

Marty

Posted by: lolomarseille

mmm
i hope things will be better when they will join WTO;
if selling fresh whitey flesh comes on IMF' list, everything will succeed coz of adam smith'hand...

Posted by: sidney

Tough story Marty but you did have opportunity to meet some other ladies and hopefully one will turnout to be a keeper. This must have been an emotional roller coaster ride. I do wish you all the best in the future.
Sid

Posted by: rob_we

Sid,
ever thought of the possiblilty that this guy is a spamer

?
Just imagine the girls got him, and he is going for revenge!

Posted by: sidney

I tend to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I've heard stranger stories fron the FSU. I try to place myself in this persons shoes and question what I'd do in this situation. I know that I wouldn't be out of the picture taking a drink. I would want to be there firsthand witnessing this situation.
No matter how painful for everyone.
Sid

Posted by: parasionok

I meant to post the continuation of this story right away but I was just waiting for the latest outcome....

This guy Actorfirst was the one who was screaming in the chat room in from of many women and men that he was going to visit Odessa and meet with 15 women there, or maybe more. He was doing his trip through the agency so he was guaranteed a certain number of dates. RobOhio had a point that if you decide to go to the tour and meet with women, its ok... BUT What that guy did was that he put that girl who supposedly was not there to meet only him on all possible blacklists and was writing his story on the forum on a dating site... Then things started to turn out quite strangely...

The woman who was in a chatroom when he was claiming to meet several women in Odessa and he was asking around whether he could get a date with women present in the chat room at that time, posted in response to his STORY that he was just going there as a sex tourist and he was just a scammers hunter.....

She just said that he was not serious and basically told him that 50yo guy looking for 18-20 yo girls in Ukraine and then falling in love here and there could not be serious or anything... Anyway, read what she wrote (sorry it is in Russian)

Ïðèõîäèëîñü ìíå âîåâàòü ñ íèì â ÷àòå íå ðàç, è òàê êàê ó ìåíÿ ïîêà íåòó ïðîáëåì ñ ïàìÿòüþ (íå ñìîòðÿ íà ìîé ïðåêëîííûé âîçðàñò êàê òóò íåêîòîðûå ìóæ÷èíû çàìåòèëè, õîòÿ ýòî êàê-òî äàæå íåâåæëèâî ñ èõ ñòîðîíû), òàê âîò, òîâàðèù àêòåð èç ãîëëèâóäà íå ðàç ãîâîðèë âåùè ñîâåðøåííî ïðîòèâîïîëîæíûå òîìó ÷òî îí çäåñü íàïèñàë. Äà âû ïî÷èòàéòå äàæå ýòîò ðàçäåë ôîðóìà – â íà÷àëå çíà÷èò îí ïóáëèêóåò àäðåñ Íàñòè êàê ñòðàøíîãî ñêàììåðà, çàòåì îí áåç ïàìÿòè âëþáëÿåòñÿ â åå ïåðåâîä÷èöó, à òåïåðü ñíîâà ëþáîâü äî ãðîáà ê Íàñòåíüêå, ïîñëå òîãî êàê îí åå ãðÿçüþ îáëÿïàë è âî âñå âîçìîæíûå ÷åðíûå ñïèñêè çàíåñ. Òàêîå âîò êèíî. ×åñòíî ñêàæó, íåëîâêî ñåáÿ ÷óâñòâóþ, ÷òî íà ýòè ñêàçêè ïîâåëàñü. Çàèãðàëñÿ íàø äÿäåíüêà àêòåð. Íó â îáùåì, Áîã åìó ñóäüÿ.
Õî÷ó ñêàçàòü îäíó âåùü äåâóøêàì êîòîðûì çà 30 èëè çà 40 à òî è çà ïÿòüäåñÿò. Íå ïðèíèìàéòå áëèçêî ê ñåðäöó ÷òî òóò ïîíàïèñàëè íåêîòîðûå ìóæ÷èíû, ÷òî òèïà åñëè âàì íåìíîãî çà 25 òî óæå òèïà è îñòàâüòå íàäåæäó íàéòè êîãî-íèáóäü ìîëîæå 70. ÝÒÎ ÍÅ ÏÐÀÂÄÀ. Êîíå÷íî åñëè 50-ëåòíåìó ìóæ÷èíå íóæíà èìåííî 20-ëåòíÿÿ äåâóøêà – îí ìîæåò íàéòè ñåáå è òàêóþ, õîòÿ íå ôàêò ÷òî âñå 20-ëåòíèå ïðîñòî ñïÿò è âèäÿò ñåáÿ çàìóæåì çà ïîæèëûì àìåðèêàíöåì. Ïåðâûì äåëîì êàê ãîâîðèò àêòåð, íàäî âñòàòü ïåðåä çåðêàëîì è ðåøèòü äëÿ ñåáÿ ÷òî èìåííî òåáå íóæíî. (õîòÿ ïî ìîåìó îí ñòîÿë íå ïåðåä çåðêàëîì, à ïåðåä ñâîèì ïîðòðåòîì 20-ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè). Õîòèòå ïðîñòî ñâàëèòü çà ðóáåæ - âàì ïîäîéäåò àêòåð è åìó ïîäîáíûå. Õîòèòå ìíîãî äåíåã – ýòî âû íå òóäà ïîïàëè. Õîòèòå ìóæà è ñåìüþ – äîñòîéíûõ êàíäèäàòîâ ñêîëüêî óãîäíî, ïðàâäà âàì ïðèäåòñÿ ïîîáùàòüñÿ òàêæå ñî ìíîæåñòâîì ìîðàëüíûõ óðîäîâ, êîòîðûìè óâû áîãàò èíòåðíåò. ß òóò ïðî÷èòàëà êàê-òî â Êîñìî ÷òî â ñðåäíåì ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîçíàêîìèòñÿ ñî 100 êàíäèäàòàìè ïðåæäå ÷åì íàéäåøü òîãî êîãî èùåøü. Íà ñâîåì îïûòå ìîãó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî áûâàåò è áîëüøå. Íî òàêæå ïðàêòèêà ïîêàçàëà, ÷òî äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòü ìîæåò ïðåâçîéòè ëþáûå äàæå ñàìûå ñìåëûå âàøè ìå÷òû. Òîëüêî íå îñòàíàâëèâàéòåñü íà ïîëïóòè è èùèòå èìåííî òîãî êòî âàì íóæåí. Âûáèðàéòå ñàìè, õâàòèò óæå èì êîïàòüñÿ â íàñ êàê â ìóñîðå. Àêòåð âîí ôîòêè äåâóøåê âñåì æåëàþùèì ïà÷êàìè ðàññûëàë. Ïðîòèâíî. È çíàåòå, íà ýòîì ñàéòå âåäü ñâåò êëèíîì-òî íå ñîøåëñÿ. ß ëè÷íî äóìàþ ÷òî íàéòè êîãî-òî èìåííî çäåñü øàíñû ìèíèìàëüíûå è áëèçêèå ê íóëþ. Î÷åíü îãðàíè÷åííûé êîíòèíãåíò. Õîòÿ ÷àò çäåñü õîðîøèé, äà è àäìèí âîí êàêîé ñèìïàòè÷íûé.
Äÿäåíüêå àäìèíó ïîêëîí è áîëüøîé ïðèâåò, à âàì æåíùèíû – ñ÷àñòüÿ, íå çàâèñèìî îò òîãî, ÷òî îíî äëÿ âàñ çíà÷èò.

Then came his reply:

have never...in my life...encountered so many Pigs..who call them selves Women...

Natalie...who in the hell do you think you are to Assume...that I was Coming to Russia or the Ukraine to Buy A Piece of Meat....You are ****ed in the Head *****....You are so sick..I cannot believe you...and, you are Stupid...all you had to do was read what I experienced and to have some compassion...but you don’t...because you are one of those ****s...Who just has to open their Nasty Mouths.....Who are you to accuse me?????..That you thought I might think like this..like I was coming to buy something...like a Piece of meat.....Read My Story *****...You didn’t lose $ 10,000.00...But Possibly You make that much on your knee’s or back....

You have now disclosed to the Forum..exactly who and what you really are...and that is Anti-West....Anti-Men...You said that yourself in the Chat Room...that your prefer bush over brawn...I Imagine again you will try to correct my spelling....Not This time..You have gone too far with your attacks on me...

(there were no *** in the original post... they were all deleted my moderators)

More to follow

Posted by: parasionok

Then it started to turn out more and more interesting...

Then Natalie posted (I am skipping the posts from moderators and other angry members)

Thanks for your support Wizard and Funny logic.
I guess actor has just shown us his real face and his real attitude to all the women. He is not a gentleman, though I had known that before. I guess reading what he has written might be interesting for girls who correspond with him. I personally wasn’t hurt with his rude and inappropriate words, I am a big girl and I know what I am.

Well, let me stop here, I am not going to carry on with this topic anymore.

Best wishes to everyone,
Natalie

Actorfirst responce:

Natalie,

You are the most detestible woman I have ever known...and just like in a street fight you show up..trying to appear innocent..and look for help fromothers...thinking you have me surrounded...better look again..witch...You are unsightly and grossly overexagerate your position..in here and your personal life...

You are nothing....

Then the moderator:

and yes we know, you are god. get over yourself guy!
my apologies natalie, when he ripped you for no reason i assumed you were taling to him, but i see you were talking to will ... soooo your whole english paragraph was no reference to actor, whoch makes things even worse. for attacking you when you were not even talking to him or directly about him.

And ACTORFIRST again:

Hello All...and Welcome to Saturday Night Live..................

You have All...Just Been Punked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......I have never seen so much of a turnaround in People...I am falling off my chair...I am about to Pee myself.....You guys all took the bait.....I am going to copy all these transcripts...This is the Funniest ****ing Thing..ooops..Sorry wizard.....I am Pissing Myself......Hope you guys all had a great time..I know I did.....This is One that will go down in History.....Let me Call my Agent in the morning...

YOU GOT PUNKED!!!!!>>>YOU GOT PUNKED!!!!!>>>>>YOU GOT PUNKED!!!!

The the moderator again:

hmm let me see people wouldn't turn around after being blindsided and called filthy names, NOE of which were said to you! hmmm wow silly us, if you meant them or not, i think anyone involved considers them real. cause you got totaly personal and insulting. this isn't grammar school, grow up.

Posted by: parasionok

And last two posts from moderators...

Hopefully if Translator has worked Correctly next Item is this Post in Russian to save having to translate everything Ñ íàäåæäîé, åñëè Ïåðåâîä÷èê ðàáîòàë Ïðàâèëüíî, ñëåäóþùèé Ïóíêò - ýòîò Ïîñò ïî-ðóññêè, ÷òîáû ýêîíîìèòü íåîáõîäèìîñòü ïåðåâåñòè âñå

Well hopefully I can speak without stirring things up again I have read through all these Posts in the Forum but I did not see the incident in Chat, although I remember when Marty first arrived in chat and the way he treated people and some of the things he had to say. Then he used the same Freedom of Speech line that he has been using here I said to him at that time that I did not believe the American Constitution applied to a Website such as LL, I had a long chat with him at the time in Private and told him I would be reporting to him to Admin for his Abusive and defamatory remarks (I did not Escape the Abuse ). He was warned by Admin and on further visits to chat he was a lot more pleasant and joined in with what was going on, what has been said here makes me think of a saying that is probably very true "A Leapord never changes its spots"

I have kept silent through most of this thread even though I have things I wish to say to a lot of the comments that have been made so I might as well start at the Top.
Marty when you first started singing the Praises of anastasia you where warned by many people that this Agency might not be what it appeared on the Surface you decided to Ignore any Advice and then when things do go wrong you are the Victim, sorry to say but in my eyes if you are advised not to put your Hand in the Fire and you decide to do it then you have nobody but yourself to blame when you get Burned.

I am not going to try and Answer everyone Individually But Natalie, Knopa, BM, Wizard and others that have commented on the Meeting of more than one, we all have our own opinions on this I am of the thought that meeting with one is the right choice but not everyone agrees some think because of Distance, Time etc involved they need to meet more than one to make the most of their trip it can be argued forever more because there is no Right Answer the answer is dependant on your Viewpoint. Same can be said about Age everyone has their own Opinion and no amount of Argument is going to say what is Right or Wrong, these are issues where we have to Agree to Differ and get back to having Fun

Comments about the work that the Moderators do on Site some people do realise and others dont because a lot of what we do is actually Unseen, possibly the most recognised Moderator for the site as a whole is Wizard because he is the most consistent at replying to Post's here in Forum and Guestbook. Woody, Content and myself are more often to be found in the Chatroom and even though most might consider that we have nothing to do in there sometimes it can be difficult and even Stressful, going back to what I said earlier about when Actor first arrived on Site I was the only Moderator in Chat at the time and I was trying to stop him being Abusive and Insulting at the same time as Driving a Truck But I was not prepared to leave Chat until I had the Situation calmed down and under Control. The other side of being in chat can be a lot more rewarding when New Members come in to Chat and we can assist them with the way that chat works and how to use the different features of the site

I think it's about time I shut up now I know my Reply is a little late but unfortunatelly I do have a Life and my life is very busy with Work and the things I need to get done myself

And the second moderator:

i see you went through what i did, with actor, well before me, i had no idea till his awful words at women on his tirade that he was that way, and i was even defending him pre-tirade pointing out i may disagree with multi-visiting, but who knows maybe the 2nd 4th one is the true love? just not somethign i wanna do.

actually i turned down moderating in chat, i did that for a few yrs in chat servers, what a headache!!! let me point out helping people in chat wasn;t the headache it was mostly guys acting like compolete *******s verbally, and when you kicked them out they would come in and flood the room and other things.

so while i do not envy your task there, i do respect and commend the fact you can put up with some of the things that go on there. and i know how taxing it all can be, and i also know that when you start defending someone or yourself, the perpetrator tries to make YOU look like the bad guy, and then they get personal so they can get you to get personal and use foul language or name calling, trying to goad you into saying as bad as things as them so you look no better, a very sinister trick.

so i took GB and forum figuring it wouldnt get into big scenes such as fights and men going off insulting women or disrespectfully propositioning women, which i ran into in chats all the time and had to deal with. so i know how hard what you do and enforce in chat, is and my hats off to you, it aint easy! and i i like the way you handle it going by what you just wrote. lord knows it sure isn't easy!

and you did with his chat room tirade, as i did tried to ..... deactivate the situation of his tirade, i couldnt remove him and end it there, even though his actions and words more than warranted it.

so it was my guess to stand up to him till he wears out, and he did, and finally i left and went to bed as it was late. but things had quited down cause when i came back there was minimal extra responses since the time i left. i never saw this side of him before, i thought he was a nice guy. i wish i knew what you knew but then it wouldn't have prevented his flipping out, which as it turns out by his own admission was all fake and an act for ideas for a script for a TV show.

so i still wonder after knowing that, how can anyone defend him by saying the women edged him on, when in fact, there was no "on" it was an act, a lie a set up for a script.

so with that fact established, he couldnt have been mourning or too sad after having planned, set up and perpetrating his "script" and having laughs with his three pals afterwards at everyones expense.

do we just overlook his cruel words and insults because he didn't mean it and it was all for TV. i don't think so!