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"Romantic Heart" a somehow usual story
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Posted by: rob_we

Ok guys i want to put something here that i think is worth discussing hence not the usual girl scam story:
Here is the story:
My beauty is online on several sites here and there talking to all sorts of people. On one of theses sites, she was mailed and clicked by a guy called romantic heart.

Here comes the letter (it was posted already by para but im gonna post it again here

Hello! You have captured my full attention. I want to
know you and possibly marry.

I enjoy playing board games, relaxing, sitting by a fire
late at night and watching the star, travel, and cooking.

I am a forensic psychologist and author specializing in
relationship and sexual violence. I used to profile sex
offenders for the state. Now I work for myself. I write
self help book and professional books and speak
around the country on the issues of physical and
sexual abuse.

I live in Minnesota, which is in the northern
Midwestern part of the United States of America. It is
beautiful and quiet here, fairly low crime. And we have
many, many lakes.

I have a Master’s Degree in psychology with a
specialization and expertise in forensic psychology.

I want to marry, have children if possible, and be
happy with you.

Please answer the following:
1. how important is family?
2. what are your thoughts about what a
marriage is
3. how is power and decisions made in a
relationship
4. who has the final say in a marriage
5. what role does sex play, how important to
please your husband
6. what you thoughts are about moving to
the USA is we marrying

I also ask that if your are serious, that you send many
photos. And if I don’t offend you, please include
intimate photos as well, as photos are all we have to
see each other’s bodies from such a distance. Please
act now. I will make travel arrangements.

My email is mendingpath@msn.com

Yours truly, Scott

After this letter we both got curious. (We normally are not at all in the scamhunter business but in this special case with a guy pretending to write books and be a psychologist we did an exception to the rule) It looked like a typical scam mass letter so we decided to create a new person (girl) he never has written too and answered the letter.
Shortly after the reply, he answered, (so we proofed he did a mass mailing and he didn´t even know any more to whom he sended it to).
We did a little research and it seemed it was a guy called Scott A. Johnson who wrote the book "When "I love you" turns violent.
I still could not believe it but then he clicked the pseudonym of my beauty and started to chat. He said right away he wants to marry her, she is so beautiful, wants to bring her over to the states as soon as possible blablabla but he needs to see more of her. That is very important to him. Curious about this first!!!!! chat how far he really wanted to play this game. So we sent another picture of the girl (it was pics from the web we took for this special purpose from an amateur site). After receiving another picture with the girl dressed but in full view he insisted on nude photos to get a better picture! Remember we still talk about the first!!! chat.
So our "virtual" girl agreed and we sent some of the amateur girl we downloaded before.

Here is his reply to this from 8.28.2004

well thank you. You are a very special woman. I am divorced, no kids. You can find my book anywhere. It is When "I Love You" Turns Violent. I have never been to Russia. But I assumed you are willing to move to USA if we marry? want to please your man. I treat you with very much respect. I am working an some new photos and will need to scan them. They were too large of files to email. I will send them.

Do you use msn or yahoo? Please write soon. I think we could be happy together. And I would love to see more of those photos. It helps to see your body given our distance.

He sent his pic too what you could see on (if you really want)

http://antidate.fastbb.ru/re.pl?3-0...-0-1097340539-0

Just scroll down to find it!

(BTW. His photo was not sent to us. It was publicly available on the web under

http://photos.msn.com/Viewing/Album.aspx?PST=8nK2AN1B!1JmZao!iR2Cw5Bq6S!wKu4w4A36gQPa4TSeXk3JURsXhFXLp9 MPh671Qq0tzqT39vsPhjbvGOAs*g%24%24

for quite a while! He only sent the link! He removed it lately...!

After this, my beauty started to talk to him frankly all of a sudden in perfect english and told him what she thinks of him. She said that its disgusting and unbelievable that a psychiatrist writing about partner abuse does those things, and tries to scam RW like this. Fist he was amused ans said "what could a russian girl do" than my girl told him "how do you know im not in the us" and he got frightened. One day later he sent this letter

You have a good point. Although not illegal or against site rules, I will no longer ask for any nude photos. It does not make sense to do so. It is not right to ask for such photos, whether serious or not. Sorry for asking for them in the first place. All have been deleted. I will not misrepresent myself again either. I do live in another state, and am not a psychologist. I should have been honest about who I was and my work. I work as self employed environmental consultant. However, sorry is a little late. I hear your point and it sinks in. I will not contact you again. I will not make any such requests from anyone. Sorry.

We thought ok he was just a show off who tried to get whatever he wanted to get through a little fraud and put his pic on antiscam. (With the little black correction done there) and dropped the case.
Of course he didn´t stop at all and went on scamming other girls, as we found out on the antidate site, later! He just changes his profile a little on this Luckylovers site!
The funny thing is what happened next. All of a sudden he asked antidate as Scott A. Johnson the author and psychiatrist to remove his picture with the following letter.
I put the original and the translation for those who cant read russian (translated by my princess of course

)

От редакции.

Итак, сей опус был прислан администрации форума "Антидейт" с просьбой удалить обнаженную фотографию исследователя.

Научность сего исследования и, правда, можно поставить под сомнения, и комментарии к нему мы тоже надеемся получить.

Несколько позже мы опубликуем комментарии к нему

Скотт А Джонсон

О славянских одиноких женщинах.

Я решил узнать, как русские и словакские женщины реагирую на объявления одиноких мужчин. Моей задачей было, задавая конкретные и настойчивые вопросы, потребовать интимные фотографии в обмен на длительные отношения или, может быть, даже женитьбу. Интимность была определена мной, как фотография женщины в нижнем белье или без оного. Лучший способом собрать такую информацию, мне кажется, изображать из себя мужчину, ищущего женщину для длительных отношений или женитьбы. В противном случае, если сразу объявить женщинам, что это всего лишь исследования, то они станут отвечать так, как того требуют социальные нормы, а не так, как бы они действительно поступили в реальной жизни.

Эти изыскания были не частью научного исследования, а просто моим личным любопытством. Поэтому мои результаты не полноценные выводы, а всего лишь единичный эксперимент, проведенный всего лишь на одном сайте (LuckyLovers) с “русскими невестами”. Я был членом на этом сайте всего лишь месяц и за это время собрал следующую информацию:

Должен заметить, что в ходе исследования я не нарушил никаких законов, все женщины отвечали мне по своей доброй воле.

Метод

Я составил два варианта писем.

Первое письмо я использовал, как представление

Hello!

I enjoy playing board games, relaxing, sitting by a fire late at night and watching the star, travel, and cooking.

I am a forensic psychologist and author.

I live in Minnesota, which is in the northern Midwestern part of the United States of America. It is beautiful and quiet here, fairly low crime. And we have many, many lakes.

I want to marry, have children if possible.

Please answer the following:

1. how important is family?
2. what are your thoughts about what a marriage is
3. how is power and decisions made in a relationship
4. who has the final say in a marriage
5. what role does sex play, how important to please your husband
6. what you thoughts are about moving to the USA is we marrying

I also ask that if you are serious, that you send many photos, including intimate photos as photos are all we have to see each other’s bodies from such a distance.

My email is (email address provided).

Yours truly, Scott

И второе:

Hello!

I am a forensic psychologist and author.

I am interested in a relationship, possible marriage.

But also a travel partner if interested.

If you would like to travel, then tell me where you

would like to go and I pay all expenses. We travel

together. I am also open to relationship and marriage.

I ask that if you are serious, that you send many

photos.

If you would be interested in marriage, then I look

forward to that discussion. I would take good care of

you!

My email is (email address provided).

Yours truly, Scott

На оба варианта женщины реагировали одинаково. Так что я получил одинаковое количество интимных фотографий, используя первый и второй вариант писем. Хотя первый вариант я использовал в 80% случаев. Оговорюсь, только незначительное число женщин согласилось прислать мне подобные фото. Для того чтобы поддержать свой эксперимент, я был вынужден в ответ посылать свое интимное изображение.

Результаты

Я ответил приблизительно на 300 объявлений, из них 53 объявления содержали фотографии, на которых были изображены женщины или полуобнаженные, или фривольно одетые, или в двусмысленных позах. Большинство женщины в своих ответах на мои письма отказывались прислать мне интимные фотографии.

Около 9-ти ответили согласие на мою просьбу прислать свои “ню”, 8 прислали полуобнаженные фото (в нижнем белье или купальниках), 5 прислали порнографические картинки, явно скаченные с порносайтов. Около 10 женщин прислали страстные ответы о скоропостижной любви, приключившейся с ними, желая приехать немедленно в Америку и выйти замуж без дальнейших расспросов. Другие не спешили с приездом, но желали бы приехать. Большинство не высказывало восторгов от перспективы перебраться в Америку.

Я завязал длительную переписку с 10 женщинами. Эти женщины писали мне довольно интенсивно, но не были похожи на тех, кто жаждал во что бы то ни стало выскочить замуж. Они отказались присылать мне свои интимные и желали сначала установить дружеские отношения, прежде, чем встретиться в реальной жизни. В конце исследования эти 10 женщин были проинформированы о целях моего пребывание на сайте LuckyLovers.

Около 90% женщин настаивали на встрече в их стране и не желали ехать в Америку или в третью страну. Большинство женщин в первом письме выдало огромный объем информации о себе и потребовало того же от меня. Все письма и фотографии были уничтожены после того, как нужные данные были собраны и классифицированы.

Выводы:

Я думаю, будет справедливо сказать, что большинство женщина на ЛЛ были не заинтересованы в обмене интимными фотографиями. Даже в обмен на брак или путешествие в Америку. Большинство женщин были осторожны и не желали путешествовать с мужчиной, с которым они только-только познакомились

Русские и словакские моральные ценности включают в себя подлинную заботу и уважению друг к другу, концентрированность на честности и обязательствах. Образ русской/словакской женщины, как сексуальной рабыни, домохозяйки, или женщины, готовой на все, лишь бы уехать в Америку, не был подтвержден в ходе моего исследования. Но опять-таки повторюсь, это не было полноценным научным исследованием, а всего лишь небольшой эксперимент заинтересованного мужчины.

Рекомендации

Я хочу дать русским/словакским женщинам, размещающим свои объявления на dating сайтах, следующие рекомендации:

1. Никогда ни с кем не обменивайтесь интимными или откровенными фотографиями.
2. Если разговор зашел о первом свидании, встречайтесь в России или в своей стране, что заставит мужчины выказать больше серьезности, с другой стороны, в случае насильственных действий с стороны мужчины, вам будет легче привлечь его к уголовной ответственности.

3. Если вы путешествуете в Америку по туристической визе или визе невесты, вы должны узнать как можно больше о законодательстве США по части “abuse”. Точно также, вы должны узнать адреса и телефоны организаций, помогающих женщинам в случае злоупотреблений и насилия мужчины, с которым вы встречаетесь.

4. По возвращению домой, женщина должна сообщить посольству страны, из которой она вернулась, о том, что она не была изнасилована, и ее ID не пропал. Все услуги посольству должен оплачивать мужчина.

5. Мужчины, желающие приехать в страны бывшего СССР или пригласить женщин к себе, должны быть оповещены о результатах моих исследований.

Эти выводы помогут женщинам из бывшего СССР избежать неприятностей и быть в безопасности во время встречи с мужчинами–иностранцами.

Here the translation:

Scott A. Johnson

About single Slavic women

I decided to find out how Russian and Slavic women react to the adds of single men. My purpose was to request intimate photoes in return to long-term relationship or possibly marriage by asking definite and insistent questions. Intimate was defined by me by a photo in underwear or naked. To my opinion the best way to collect such information is to pretend to be a man looking for a woman for long-term relationship or marriage. Otherwise if you tell women that it is just a research, then they start answering according to social norms and not what would they really do in real life.

This research was not a part of scientific research but a simple curiousity from my side. Hence, the results are just a singular experiment that was conducted only on one site LuckyLovers with Russian brides but they are not complete valid conclusions

I have to point out that during my research I haven't violated any laws and all women responded out of their free will.

Method

I wrote two variants of a letter.

First letter I used as an introduction

Hello!

I enjoy playing board games, relaxing, sitting by a fire late at night and watching the star, travel, and cooking.

I am a forensic psychologist and author.

I live in Minnesota, which is in the northern Midwestern part of the United States of America. It is beautiful and quiet here, fairly low crime. And we have many, many lakes.

I want to marry, have children if possible.

Please answer the following:

1. how important is family?

2. what are your thoughts about what a marriage is

3. how is power and decisions made in a relationship

4. who has the final say in a marriage

5. what role does sex play, how important to please your husband

6. what you thoughts are about moving to the USA is we marrying

I also ask that if you are serious, that you send many photos, including intimate photos as photos are all we have to see each other’s bodies from such a distance.

My email is (email address provided).

Yours truly, Scott

And the second one

Hello!

I am a forensic psychologist and author.

I am interested in a relationship, possible marriage.

But also a travel partner if interested.

If you would like to travel, then tell me where you

would like to go and I pay all expenses. We travel

together. I am also open to relationship and marriage.

I ask that if you are serious, that you send many

photos.

If you would be interested in marriage, then I look

forward to that discussion. I would take good care of

you!

My email is (email address provided).

Yours truly, Scott

The reaction of women was similar to both letters. I received equal numbers of intimate photoes using the first and the second letters. Though I used the first letters in 80% of all cases. In order to continue my experiment, I had to send my intimate photo in return.

Results

I replied to about 300 ads, 53 of those contained naked or frivolously dressed photoes in suggestive poses. Most women refused to send their intimate photoes in responce to my letter.

About 9 women agreed to send me their naked photoes, 8 women sent me photoes in underwear or swimming suits, 5 sent me pornographic pictures downloaded from porn sites. About 10 women sent heated letters declaring their love wanting to move to America and get married without further inquiries. Others were not in a hurry to come to American but would have loved to visit. Most women were not excited about the idea of moving to America.

I established a long-term correspondence with 10 women. These women were writing me quite often but were not likely to get married in any possible way. They refused to send their naked photoes and wanted to establish a friendship relationship before meeting in real life. In the end of my research these women were informed about my purpose of registration on LuckyLovers.

About 90% of women insisted on meeting in their country and were not willing to go to America or a third country to meet. Most women were giving away a huge amount of information in their first letter and requested the same from me. All letters and pictures were deleted after necessary data were collected and classified.

Conclusions:

I think it will be more than fair to point out that most women on LL were not interested in intimate photoes exchange. Even in exchange to marriage or trip to America. Most women were careful and were not willing to travel together with a man who they just met.

Russian and Slavic moral values include real care and respect towards each other, concentration on honesty and duties. The image of a Russian/Slavic woman as a sex slave, housewife or a woman ready for everything in order to immigrate to America was not confirmed in the course of my research. Again I repeat that it was not a complete scientific research but just a little experiment of an interested man.

Recommendations

I want to give some recommendations to Russian/Slavic women putting their profiles on dating sites:

1. Never exchange intimate pictures with anyone.

2. If you came to the point when you discuss the first meeting, meet in Russia or in your country. That will make a man to express more serious approach. On the other hand, in case of violence from a man's part, it will be easier for you to prosecute him.

3. If you are travelling to America with a tourist visa or a fiance visa, you have to find out as much as possible about legal procedures in the States regarding "abuse". Also you have to find out addresses and telephone numbers of organisations that help women in case of violence from the man you are dating.

4. By returning home, a woman has to report to the embassy of the counry she just returned from that she has not been raped, and her ID has not been stolen. All embassy fees should be paid by a man.

5. Men willing to visit FSU countries or invite women to visit them, should all be informed about the results of my research.

These conclusions will help women from FSU to avoid negative experience and be save during their metting with foreign men.

Now feel free to tell me what you guys think about this!

Maybe I just mixed up the words psycho and psychologist?! ...

Posted by: wavetossed

Advice number 4 is just plain wierd.

Posted by: parasionok

And not only advice number 4. What this guy has done is simply outrageous. It is actually a very scary thought that he is a psychologist... if he really is, then I would be really concerned about peope he is giving advice to.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Rob , I think this man is clearly weird , possibly dangerous and IMHO a scammer . If as, he suggest he is a psychologist he is certainly in breach of his profesional ethical code of practice as he is crossing boundaries which should not be crossed ( sorry for politically correct language ) ie he is buck naked on the website link and asking for photos of similarly naked women .
The reaction I felt reading this is .. anger

because he is attempting maybe to abuse the trust of women and to trick them.
If this is reallly research there are better and more impartial ways to obtain data .
Well done rob - nice work !!! At last we have our first male scammer in the headlights .

Rattl

Posted by: Pin Boy

BRAVO!

glad you turned the tables on this weirdo!

pin boy

Posted by: rob_we

Rattle
actually the only reason why we were really behind this guy is that he is a well named psychologist. His book is used and highly recommended for people who went through sex abuse and battery. You can find it anywhere on the web! I actually do not see ANY reason why in a scientific research naked photos are neccesary??? For what??? I do not see ANY reason why he would have to send his "beautyful body" around for scientific reasons???? I do not know any scientist who would do this!!! Feel free to ask anybody!!! These people are, due to the fact that they KNOW about the delicate situation, very careful in doing any kind of research! I think if someone is specially trained as a psychologist, using this as a "weapon" to achieve his goals is extremely bad. I dont believe him this investigation at all! Even IF, he would have acted extremely unethical with his "private Investigation"! I cant see, even if we would consider the results of his "private investigation" to be of some worth (which i would personally deny) any relation and justification lieing and tricking all these girls (he said about 300!!!) to achieve these results! The results he published do NOT provide any new clues to me at all to be honest! Next time he probably does a "prtivate research" on with how many russian women he can "get laid" after promising them to marry them!!!!!!
The chat between him and my beauty, (she pretended to speak very bad english), was aimed on getting pictures! He promised everything for that! By the way you will see differences in the letter he claimed to have written and had posted later (below) and the letter he actually wrote (above). Why? And after my princess talked straight to him, why didn´t he tell her "Im doing a research" at least, instead of first laughing at her then being afraid and writing the letter and lieing and pretending that he is someone else??? I think this guy enjoys watching these pics. Probably he doesnt have enough within his job!
But what frightens me is that this guy seems to be an expert in COURT!!! in cases against guys who comitted sex-abuse! I mean thats something!

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Rob , this is a can of worms ... if he is an expert of sex abuse and is also doing this stuff on the net then I think he is a dangerous man specifically because it tells me that he is blind to the abusive nature of this behaviour and the messages it sends to many women from the fsu. I agree with you rob - as research it is totally flawed and does not really give an objective view of fsu women .

Whats more he is an acknowledged author and is presumably an expert witness in trials.

IMHO, I can only speak for myself , I would never dream of sending any picture of myself naked - I wouldnt want to scare women and I would never ask for a photogarph of a woman naked or in any stage of undress - this sort request is sick ( but that is my own opinion ) .

Rattle

Posted by: parasionok

This gentleman told so many lies and pretended to be someone else also. Now the question is whether he really is Scott A Johnson, an author and foresic pscycologist as he claims or he is just using this name hence jeopardising the reputation of real Mr. Johnson. Some scammers use pictures of girls who have no idea what is going on. Could be the same case here.

Just a thought

Posted by: rob_we

rattle,
yup absolutely agreed.
I mean there are some guys out there. I was not intending to do it but ill post anotherone my lady received as a "starter" to give you guys an impression whats out there

hello babe,
I want our meeting. As you look at that what to
receive FUN. I very much perverted. I want not simply
sex and a lot of sex. With you with my friend and two
our girlfriends simultaneously. We shall find many
ways and sexual poses and toys. You will be our loved
toy. I shall show you my new rubber member. I like it
to thrust in all places on your body. It is pleasant to
you. Think of it. later baberxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thats the kind of letter RW/UW get from some guys!
Gives a nice picture doesn´t it?

Posted by: rob_we

Guys
Para has a point of course!
could someone maybe do a research on this one? Just to be sure this jerk is not just using the "real" guys name?
the book is not available here cause its in english, but maybe someone of you guys could have a look to find Scott A. Johnsons picture and compare it to the photo posted on Antidate.
i myself would consider it quite strange why the guy would post something as Scott A. Johnson on antidate.
But nevertheless we should not harm a person here whos name was used by somebody else. And IF this is the case, the real Scott A. Johnson could easily sue the guy doing this. So either proof would be helpful here i guess!

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Words like" Sick", "mentally ill"," weird", "a danger to women", " abusive", etc spring to mind - if this is what men are sending then it is apalling .....

and it is just sad.

On the brighter side , however for the guys who are respecting women - thier letters will stand out a mile .

rattle

Posted by: rob_we

rattle
thats true of course. But keep in mind there are also all the "nice" letters of guys who are after a quick silent F***** somewhere else promising everything and are able to write good style!
I know there are lots of nice guys out there (I consider myself not to be so bad either) but i think its important to see that there are two sides of the coin! And guys usually can see only one side here as drastically as this...
BTW: For everybody who can read russian, I suggest you to go to this Antidate site where "Scotts" picture is on and have a look.
You´d be surprised I bet...

Posted by: rob_we

Guys i found something that seems to support the fact that is IS actually the REAL Scott A. Johnson:

In this convention program see:

http://www.mnpsych.org/annualconven...4ACProgram.html

you find :

Workshops (3 hours):
• “Exploring the Sexual Offender & Domestic Batterer.” Scott A. Johnson, M.A., LP, director, Mending Path Relationship Center, Chanhassen. Part II

Interresting is the name "Mending Path Relationship center"

and now

look at his e-mail in my first post!!!!!!

seems to fit to me...

otherwise the "false" guy did a real deep research on the real Scott.

Still possibble but....getting more anf more unrealistic to me...

btw: Found The "Real" adress:

Mending Path Relationship Center
480 West 78th Street
Chanhassen, MN 55317-9745
Phone: (952) 934-5258

Business Types: Marriage & Family Counselors, Mental Health Specialists

so .... thats it for the moment

Posted by: rob_we

guys believe it or not it IS HIM! Scott A. Johnson the author and psychiatrist! I wrote this letter to his e-mail (The one from his first letter)

Dear Mr. Johnson,

my name is Robert Weiss. I am from germany and in the states right now
visiting my sister. She is married here to an american man in Greenwood MN.
After talking to her for a while, I found out, that he seems to be very much
into alcohol and is beating her and my 5 year old nephew regularly. She is a
very shy woman and refuses to go somewhere for help. I am unsure how to
proceed but i would apreciate if I could meet you as an expert on this
matter in your office in Chanhassen. (I discovered your book on that topic).
I also added you to my messenger so maybe we could make an appointment
through it. Looking forward hearing from you

all my best

Robert Weiss

I got that response:

Hello. Yes, I would be more than happy to help. Email or call me and we could schedule a time to meet. My work cell is (612) 269-XXXX[I] (he sent his number if someone needs it i can provide). Scott (/)

Guys he is still doing business as usual

Posted by: wavetossed

OK, now you have established that he may be engaged in some sort of crime across international borders. In the United States this type of crime is investigated by the FBI. There will be an FBI office in the state of Minnesota and that is where all of this should be reported. You can find more contact info through either web searches or http://www.fbi.gov

Even if you don't think that the FBI will act on the info, you should still send them copies of all emails, web pages, urls, photos, etc. For sites like antidate it would be useful to browse them with Internet Explorer on Windows and then use Save As and change the Type to Web Archive (single file). This bundles up all the images etc from the page as it appears in your browser and is very useful in case Scott convinces someone to take down the antidate page. Also, on LL forums and antidate people have mentioned his LL usernames. It would be good to also save copies of his profile from LL. Also the conference web page that led you to suspect who he really is and the version of the letter where he claims to be some guy in California. Collect it all, and make arrangements to send it to the FBI. Burn copies onto a CD-ROM to use as follow up in case other police forces ask for details.

Now, having done that, if you really want to get something done about it, find someone in MN to research women's abuse support services in Minnesota. Your local person should be looking for a group that would be willing to accept a copy of your data and pursue the case locally. People in Minnesota have the option of going to local police forces or medical licensing authorities or the local press, etc. Give them the ammo and let them run with it.

This is interesting because Elena's models has an account of an Australian guy who was taken by scammers. He pursued it with the Russian police and a Russian couple were arrested, charged and imprisoned. It was widely reported in the Russian media as well. I believe his approach was to point out that the scammers were not paying taxes.

The more we can clean up this kind of activity on both sides, the better things will be for all of us.

Posted by: Clarita

Hi guys. First of all I want to say thank you for your attention to the cases that happened on my friend's antiscam forum http://antidate.fastbb.ru /

I just want to add that forum owner wrote to the publishing company that presents books of Scott Johnson and asked them to verify his personality and autencity of the photos he shows. We still dont have any reply from them. By the way, the report of his "research" was first published on our women's magazine Lilla villa (translation from English was made by our chef editor)
( http://www.lillavilla.com/journal/i...w&id=48&Itemid= )

And today we have got a request from "mr." Scott Johnson :

I am requesting the you remove my profile from antidate (grindylow). I was conducting research, and have attached a copy of the findings.

Interestingly, you put men on the antidate site, yet many did nothing wrong. In fact, in fairness, the women do not have to share nude photos and can choose not to respond to anyone they choose. I think your antidate site should focus on those men accused of abuse or rape.

I certainly support your site and I work hard in the USA to cease abuse and rape. I apologize for using your site for research, but that was the only way to gain information about how many women would share nude photos of themselves online. I have made recommendations to the USA government about safety issues for women traveling on visitor or financee visas. I included those recommendations in the research summary.

I would appreciate a response from you. The photo I used in my profile was taken from online porn, and was not my own. But the profile should still be removed. Thank you.
Scott Johnson

cc: site host; US Dept of State; Abuse prevention network

As you see now he even declines that he used his own photos! (as he said before himself that the best way to make women to answer is to use his own...).

Any suggestions?

Posted by: Clarita

And I want say personal personal Thank you to rob_we and parasionok for their support and efforts to help to improve the problem of protection russian and other easter-european women from dirty games of western men and for start this discussuion.

Posted by: rob_we

always a pleasure clarita

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

This is the first discussion about western male scammers I have seen - it is good that this has happened and I hope that the FBI are able to prove that the allegations are true beyond reasonable doubt.

To my mind - he was stark buck naked ( thats beyond reasonable doubt ) he was asking for photos of women naked (thats beyond reasonable doubt ) and he was promising marriage ( Not an a criminal offence but given the way this man behaves a distinctly unlikely promise !!!!!)

The only way a criminal case could be proved was if it could be proved that there was in intent to carry out an offence ( ie for example attempted rape ) if this was proven then he could be arrested .Likewse if it could be proven that he had asked for money and had prmosed marriage and then reneged on the promise - maybe fraud.
If he was promising marriage and marrying bigamously then this is an offence....or marrying for money ie getting paid to marry someone .

But at end of the day as wave said the FBI should look at this issue and come to a decision one way or another.

Rattle

Posted by: moosehead

I just couldn't get through it all. Its like a bad movie.

Posted by: rob_we

Guys

I know its hard. Even if I, as a western guy from germany (not a russian girl) go for this. I do. I did certain steps. I will inform the forum about it. I hope the fact that he is in this special position, psychiologist, author, may help here to at least stop him from "helping people".

BTW. Its good we have a realistic view here. (I mentioned the possibility of a male scammer being procecuted in another thread and was almost drastically convinced its no problem at all

)

Posted by: rob_we

There is a new letter of Scott posted today!
He only wants "to help"...

Actually, I did not include a naked photo in my ad. The photo in the ad was not naked, and only those that requested the naked photo (which was taken off the internet porn, not mine!) was then sent. So only about 4-5 received the photo. Comment: This is simply not true. He DID NOT SEND THE PHOTO but gave a link in his letter! Therefore he can not have ANY clue how often this photo was taken! If you checked the ad you would see that. And I conduct research on many sites, including american, german, and other sites where there has been problems with rape. But understand, that there were approximately 15% of the ads that had naked photos of women, in the actual ads.

The reason I choose this format was because to gain actual true response, it must appear as a real ad. Second, as a forensic psychologist, harassment is continued engagement in a behavior that you were asked not to do. Again, if you check the research ad I posted on LuckyLovers, you would see there was no naked photo in it. I assume you have not seen the original ad. It only had a couple of pictures taken off the internet, one of man on a boat (bare chest, not naked) and another of a man’s head photo; no naked photo. The LuckyLovers site alleges it does not allow naked photos in the ads, but so many of the women had naked photos in their ads. So in all fairness, check out the ad before you accuse me of doing something wrong. And in fairness, again, many of the females had naked photos in their ads, I don’t see a site where you post their ads!

Now to address your concerns about the feelings of the women. In reality, only about 2-10% of men and women on any dating site actually meet someone they want to date and then have the relationship work out. So, that means that the majority of the women’s responses are empty. This is especially true with international site. So to believe that they are truly hart broken because things did not work out, probably not. They did not have a long term relationship with me. Again, only 4-5 women received the photo I took off the internet, and as you saw in my study, many more actually sent naked or porn photos.

There were four others involved in the study who helped write and implement it, all female. Two of who are russian.

So in the end, I now have some first hand information to use when I make recommendations about visitor and fiancee visa applications. I am trying to get the government to place more safety standards for the women that are brought to the usa. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about women brought to other countries. So I wonder if perhaps instead of being angry with me, part of this responsibility lies with the women not sending naked photos, and not having naked photos and partially naked photos in their ads on LuckyLovers. Second, maybe to inform the women not to send any type of naked photos. They are not forced to do so. In addition, several of the women indicated to me that they sent pictures of their children to men. These men are pedophiles. I strongly urge you, with your power, to have sites like LuckyLovers to warn women not to place naked photos in their ads, not to send naked photos of themselves, and not to send photos of their children to men.

So I will go to the site manager who runs the site you use for free about the removal of the profile. Keeping the profile there knowing it was research takes away the seriousness of your site. But you owe it to the truth to check out the ad I originally placed, there was no naked photos in it. However, even if there were, it was an adult site, and many of the women have naked photos as well, and I see that you are doing nothing about that. So at any rate, the research will be published as part of a larger study, and you have a research name of me, with an internet photo of someone that I sent, and you are angry. You do not have to agree with how research is gathered. Just be glad that the data will be used for healthy purposes. If you wanted to assist with legislation to help prevent rape and abuse, and to assist with research efforts, then say so. But to criticize without helping is unprofessional. And by the way, had I simply asked a survey question of the women, «would you send naked photos of yourself to a man you met online», or «would you send pictures of your children to a man you met online», (which was one study design we considered) we realized that almost 99% would have said «no». Yet look at my findings, too many did anyway. So we wanted to gather the actual truth.

Sorry for the way this study took place, but it was the agreed upon method. I do applaud your efforts. I help to lock-up abusers and sexual offenders. I get tired of how many find their victims online, it truly makes me sick that it is so damn easy online to meet new victims. If any of the 4-5 that received the naked photo (they all requested it, it was not just sent) want an apology, they can email me here and I will apologize. This is a temporary site we use only for research, so it will not be up much longer. But I will certainly explain what I was doing an apologize to any woman you are aware of that want me too

Sorry to be so bitter but I do not even want to know what he would do if he starts a "research" about children pornography!!

This is sick. He tries to wind out now. NO SERIOUS PSYCHOLOGICAL STUDY shoud be done without the agree of the people involved. RW are no lab rabbits! THis is deeply unethical!
And I still doubt his "scientific approach" to this anyways! MHO

The conversation my lady had with him did NOT AT ALL implicate this! After being accused he lied to be somebody else as i showed above (letter in the first post)! After we nailed him down and he HAD to admit that is was him he now turns around all of a sudden claiming to help women! I have no words for this...

Posted by: wavetossed

I read through that last letter by Scott Johnson, presumably a man who speaks English as his native language. But there is something wrong with it. It gives a rather juvenile impression as if it was written by a teenager. Now, if this had been written by someone whose native language was not English, I wouldn't consider it the same way. Often I see things written by mature adult Russian women and their writing seems juvenile because they just haven't yet learned all the subtleties of the English language.

So, after I got that first impression I reread the letter to see if I could pin down what it was that was leading me to this. I think it is because of the grammar and spelling mistakes and I think it may actually be a sign of emotion in his letter. In other words, he was upset when he wrote this and so he came off as a spoiled teenager rather than a mature and respected professional. I find it strange that a man in his position would not take more care with his letters and perhaps have a colleague review them for him. Of course, if he really is doing something illicit that would account for the tone of the letters.

This really isn't something that we can figure out. We should just collect the evidence and turn it all over to the authorities in Minnesota and some friendly organization in Minnesota that can make local inquiries and pursue local remedies.

Don't post to antidate and claim that he put links to the photos in his letters. Just copy the letters, the photos, and anything else and send it to the police. If you use something like Internet Explorer "Save As" with the Type change to "Archive - single file" then you will capture the links in the email messages. Ask any girls who have communicated with him to send in copies of any messages that they still have.

Here is a forensic tip that these girls can use even if they have deleted his email. Use the "Windows Explorer" program. Go to My Computer and find the folder with C: in the name. Right click on this folder. Select Find or Search from the menu. In the file name field put "*.*". In the next field put some text from his messages, perhaps his name. Then click the Search or Find button. This will search every file on the hard drive looking for this text. It may find some strange files which you cannot open. Hold down the shift key and right click on the file before you let go of shift. Select "Open With" from the menu. Find your internet browser, e.g. Internet Explorer, and see if it will open the file. If this works and you have discovered a copy of an email that was deleted, then copy this file and send it in with any other evidence. Many Internet browsers will save copies of anything viewed on your screen, even if you delete the mail from your mailbox. This technnique will find them.

Posted by: rob_we

Wave
we HAVE the original material still. We have also copies of websites he posted to, and right now we try to get additional evidence. I will see If we can get any further with this.
The case is obvious, and I think as rattle said because there was no money involved, I do not consider this to be easy.
Maybe the fact to get nude photos from women (as a kind of "natural value" ) instead of money could add some "weight" to the case. This was what it was all about. To get the photos.
If we are able to convince the authorities to go for this, then there is maybe a chance...

We try our best here

Rob

Posted by: Clarita

Quote:

Originally posted by wavetossed
Don't post to antidate and claim that he put links to the photos in his letters. Just copy the letters, the photos, and anything else and send it to the police. If you use something like Internet Explorer "Save As" with the Type change to "Archive - single file" then you will capture the links in the email messages. Ask any girls who have communicated with him to send in copies of any messages that they still have.

I dont agree. Antidate.fastbb.ru forum was made especially for women for exchange bad experience. For aware other women from such types. In these cases when it is just ethical and moral problem comes.

Posted by: searcher

and now I see why so many women don't trust us despite our best intentions.

For men like us who are honest and sincere it is difficult to gain a womans trust....

When men such as him do these things it only makes it more difficult.

Also, what he did was just CRIMINAL!

I have had enough problems with trust and I can see why women do not trust easily.... because of jerks like him!

Posted by: Lola

I can't understand your position in this issue
when I have posted this link on LL to warn all women who were involved in this "researches" you have written there:

Quote:

The best way to defend against scammers is with truth. Be true to yourself and be true to others.

what is this? you think it is a fault of those women? those poor things temped him, seduced and made him send them this naked photo??? or what???

Posted by: wavetossed

That's right Lola. You created an LL profile that says you live in Medina, the 2nd holiest city in Islam. And your in your profile you say that you are a snotty and nutty b!tch. I think you are lying. I don't believe that a Russian speaking woman with one child is living in Medina unless she is a devout muslim. And I don't believe that a devout muslim woman would call herself a b!tch, especially not a woman who is familiar with Arab culture.

That's why I said, be true to yourself and true to others.

Why should anyone believe the warnings by someone who is a liar?

And there are already several other postings on the LL forum that mention antidate. Any girls who follow the antidate forum know all about Scott Johnson.

Now smarten up and stop making yourself look bad. If you really are 38 years old then you should know better. Or is that just another lie?

Posted by: Lola

Quote:

Originally posted by wavetossed
That's right Lola. You created an LL profile that says you live in Medina, the 2nd holiest city in Islam. And your in your profile you say that you are a snotty and nutty b!tch. I think you are lying. I don't believe that a Russian speaking woman with one child is living in Medina unless she is a devout muslim. And I don't believe that a devout muslim woman would call herself a b!tch, especially not a woman who is familiar with Arab culture.

That's why I said, be true to yourself and true to others.

Why should anyone believe the warnings by someone who is a liar?

And there are already several other postings on the LL forum that mention antidate. Any girls who follow the antidate forum know all about Scott Johnson.

Now smarten up and stop making yourself look bad. If you really are 38 years old then you should know better. Or is that just another lie?

so you are the super-honest one??? and have never in your life said lie???
my lie is nothing compair your dishonest behaviour, I have given link on this forum, not on antidate. ot maybe you have your own reasons to not given any women opportunity to know about this story???

Posted by: wavetossed

The people on LL know about antidate. I first learned about antidate on LL in March and I read a few of the postings then. Recently, when Scott Johnson started being more active, several girls on LL posted messages about him and told people that his photos were posted on antidate. I went to antidate and read the postings about Scott and saw his photos. I noticed that most of the girls on antidate are also girls who use LL.

I don't think I'm hiding anything by posting a reply to your message on LL. I don't understand why you want to continue the conversation here instead of LL.

Antidate is a good place to post information about men who are scamming women. It's not a good idea to post the same things here. Rob only introduced the topic because he had been able to track down more information about this guy and it seemed like we might be able to identify who he really is and report him to the authorities.

Why did you mention Pushkin's poem in your last posting? Are you also building a monument to yourself?

Posted by: rob_we

Wave Lola
Please. Lets not get into brushes here. (it usually happens to me all the time i know

)
But I think in this special case we should stick to the topic so this special thread will stay a smooth read for the newbies ....
Wave as far as I see, Lola is trying to help as you do, what I personally aprecialte very very much. Wave I want to personally thank you for your very constructive adds here. Thanks. They helped a lot to move things a little.

Lola I also want to personally thank you for spreading the "word". I think we need in this case as much attention as possible.
Clarita same for you.

Thanks to everyone here who takes this case serious and is supporting it!

Posted by: Lola

Quote:

Originally posted by rob_we
Lola I also want to personally thank you for spreading the "word". I think we need in this case as much attention as possible.
Clarita same for you.
Thanks to everyone here who takes this case serious and is supporting it!

you are always welcome