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| I don´t think moore is anti american. In the contrary. In america the public opinion seems to me much stronger formed by the government then over here. Moore is critical. Puts different pictures, shows other views. I do not think he is right in everything. But what he achieves is not fashism, but a talk in the streets between "normal" people. Topics are controversely discussed. And that, at least to my opinion, is the best that can happen for any democracy! Actually censorship or "burning books" is what harms it. I think you americans should be glad to have someone like him |
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Originally posted by rob_we I think you americans should be glad to have someone like him
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| In america the public opinion seems to me much stronger formed by the government then over here |
Germany is a progressive liberal country now, Germany was one of the founder of EU. Excuse me, Pawel, but you should all stop living in the past and move on. You have to look at the present picture and present situation in Europe and in the world.
and I think you won´t find ANY slightly political educated guy here who would support that view. Believe me, I live here.
thats by the way true for most european countries...
but I do it because what you are saying is not particularly right. I live here and I have a more accurate picture I believe. When I was in Moscow, I didn't know much about Germany. My plans were just to go here and work for a while as my objective was to live in different countries. Before I worked in USA, England, and Hungary. But it happened that I met my bf in Germany so it seems like I am stuck here, hopefully for a long long time
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Originally posted by rob_we (Iraq will be totally messed up, had no WMD or plans to make them, and was not at all involved in the whole Al Quaida mess) (911 attack) and the american view which was quite in opposition to it. After all, facts seem to proove that the european "view" was much closer to the truth than the american one. No WMDs and plans, total Anarchy in Iraq now, no AL Qaeda involved. |
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Originally posted by rob_we [B]Bravo. You prooved that europe esp. Germany is the main reason fort it! No further comment... thats the way of dicussion i am used to. Stick to the point.... |
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and i know you have a lot of tv channels that of course gives you a much deeper input about a country than stupid bold germans could have who live here for 40 years! Agreed Maybe I was so occupied bashing foreigners, so i could not watch the news. Good point |
) do so, just please do not try to convince the rest of the world with these "facts". I personally don´t think so. I think you guys are mislead, after making my own opinion about the whole story, and I think (as one of the Nürnberg Trial public prosecutors about the "common guilt of the german population" "you would have been able to see through all this propaganda") . He was right. My believe.| I don't know who were telling you this stuff really. I can tell you only from my personal experience: my friend (Russian woman) who was married with a German guy and after their divorce her kid lived together with the farther. I think it was a mutual decision. Her daughter was visiting her every day and they spoke only Russian. Nobody forced her to speak German to the kid. I have never heard anything like what you said before. |
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- that's easy to say, but let's call things by their name - DRANG NACH OSTEN. | Pavel sorry mate, but just talk to people from HERE. Go here and make yourself a picture. ...and by the way, is´t this what i was talking about concerning unbiased information about other countries in US? |
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Originally posted by Menehune let's see.. i speak japanese (kanto and kansai dialect), vietnamese (bac and nam dialect), chinese (mandarian and cantonese dialect), english of course like you, and some korean.. my expertise is in asia so i speak many asian language, ur's is in europe so you speak more european language. so what's your point, i speak more foreign laugauges than you.. let's see.. i studied 2 years abroad, 1 year at leeds uni, another in osaka.. have trekked around europe enough to equal around 2 years total in europe.. so what's your point, i've stayed in europe longer than you have in the US.. germany is bout the size of alaska or texas, how many times have you been to alaska or texas? or hawaii for that matter. i never claimed i know better or more about europeans than you do and i re-iterate that in my second post if you bothered to read it. i only claim that you don't know any more about americans than i do about of european for you to be generalizing. if your so knowledgable about americans, then you would know what is the most pressing issue in hawaii. but you don't b/c issues from state to state differ as they will from country to country in europe b/c of distance. yes go depend on french sources on mideast region, they are such experts that they helped screwed up the whole region in the first place with their colonization and division of the mideast after the paris peace treaty. just like how they screwed up vietnam. go ahead and shout louder than me, if that's your style. mine falls more under asian thoughts. silence is golden, those who need to shout have less to say thus they need to raise their voice to be heard.. |
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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA Parasionok, you're only talking about the situation of Russians. Do you know anything about the situation of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs etc. etc. ? The only reason the Krauts treat Russians with more respect is because Russia is a world power. And that pretty much explains you're attitude. He he, "capitalism" - - that's easy to say, but let's call things by their name - DRANG NACH OSTEN. You Germans are incorrigible ! Next thing you're going to tell me is that Poland started World War II and invaded Germany. |
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Originally posted by wavetossed Pawel, pawel, pawel, You have struck a nerve. You said: ...that means very little, for under the skin most Germans still see the Slavs, for example, as untermenschen But you provide no evidence. However, there is ample evidence on this board that AMERICANS see the slavs, especially Russians, as untermenschen. You need to look in your own backyard and not build up fantasies about terrible things in places where you don't even live. Germany is probably the most socialist country in Europe today. Not politically, but culturally. Almost any groups of socialist activists in Europe will be dominated by Germans because there are a lot of Germans with strong socialists views. The extreme fascist philosophy of Hitler has found a new home in the USA and in Russia, but fortunately their numbers are small. |
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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA Rob, you speak like a naive little liberal boy. The so-called "European idea" was and still is the German plan for dominating the European continent. Have you read Fritz Fischer's Griff nach der Weltmacht ? In English it was called "Germany's War Aims in the First World War" and it came out in 1968. The book dealt with the German plans for Mitteleuropa, meaning a German empire in Europe. These were plans shared not only by the nationalist German Right, but by most of the SPD as well ! And are you familiar with Marx and Engels' plan for organizing Central Europe. Engels believed that the German border in the East should run from the Baltic to the Adriatic, so as to include not only some Polish lands, but also all of Czechia, Austria-proper and Slovenia with Lublana. Marx agreed with this idea and both proposed that the local Slavic population would either have the choice of becoming "Deutsche proletariat", or would have to be "dealth with". a saw a lot of people like you dead in bosnia unfortunately, not only people like you 2 solutions: 1you're a provoker ( from what?) 2time machine works, you're the proof Are your eyes opening yet, Rob ?
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Originally posted by Pawel_PL.USA I wanted to post this in the other topics, but since they were closed here's my opinion on Moore: Micheal Moore is a propagandist in the spirit of the best communist and Goebbelsian propagandists of socialist Russia and national socialist Germany. |
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Originally posted by lolomarseille Well, world terrorism is no more palestinian, even their islamist are on a national policy but palestinian/israeli serial is a wonderfull argument in the mouth of all anti-western and anti democratic activist in the world, and specially in arab world, yes [/B] |
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Originally posted by lolomarseille we"re not on the guardian talk, you will have hard answers to your post;;; |
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Originally posted by Jill I acutally don''t find Michael Moore to be anti-American at all. I think he is trying to raise people's awareness of certain issues and generate debate on topics important to America. |
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Originally posted by parasionok Pawel, wait a minute. Are you aware that we are in the XXI century now? What does present Germany have to do with Marx, Engels, Hitler? It is history, mate Germany is a progressive liberal country now, Germany was one of the founder of EU. Excuse me, Pawel, but you should all stop living in the past and move on. You have to look at the present picture and present situation in Europe and in the world.
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Originally posted by lolomarseille okay! why not! at least, america is land of freedom and freedom of speech, no? so you're right, write that you think :-)) |
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Originally posted by rob_we mhmm guys we talk about everything, but nothing really solid here. Ok for me now "proud" owner of the dvd and having seen the movie at last, lets talk about facts. What is actually fiction? I try to state some topics: 1; The connection to the Bin Laden familiy as a Bush family tradition? WELL? TRADE IS GOOD FOR PEACE AMONG NATIONS 2; The sponsoring of George Bushs Company by arabs? EVERYONE DID(SADDAM IS ARAB) 3; The Haliburton contracts? AAAAH, JOKER 4; The afghan pipline? HE DID NOT WORKED, AN ENGINNER'S DREAM 5; The senators who vote for things they haven´t even read? THIS IS AN ATTACK AGAINST DEMOCRACY! 6; The missing WMD and chemical weapons? UN WORKED, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE 7; The missing link to Al Qaeda? WICH ONE? 8; The scene in the kindergarden while the planes flew in the WTC? ALLWAYS PUT CHILDREN IN ADVERTISING 9; The "off" day schedule of george W Bush? POOR GEORGE Lets try to talk about those topics so we can form a kind of picture what is fiction and what maybe has some background? any comments welcome...
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Moore to shoot sequel to 'Fahrenheit' Thursday, November 11, 2004 Posted: 1923 GMT (0323 HKT) LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Moore plans a follow-up to "Fahrenheit 9/11," his hit documentary that assails President Bush over the handling of the September 11 attacks and the war on terrorism, according to a Hollywood trade paper. Moore told Daily Variety that he and Harvey Weinstein, the Miramax boss who produced the film, hope to have "Fahrenheit 9/11 1/2" ready in two to three years. "Fifty-one percent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them," Moore was quoted in Thursday's edition of Variety. "They weren't told the truth. We're communicators and it's up to us to start doing it now." A spokesman for Fellowship Adventure Group, formed by Weinstein and brother Bob to help distribute "Fahrenheit 9/11," did not immediately return a call seeking comment. "Fahrenheit 9/11," which won top honors at May's Cannes Film Festival, became the first documentary to top $100 million at the domestic box office. Moore, who won the documentary Academy Award for "Bowling for Columbine," is pushing "Fahrenheit 9/11" in the best-picture category for the upcoming Oscars. The issues for the follow-up film will remain the same, Iraq and terrorism, Moore said. "The official mourning period is over today and there is a silver lining: George W. Bush is prohibited by law from running again," Moore said. |
But,,,, Brother Jeb is waiting in the wings!!!!
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