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Posted by: RANGERX21

Hello everyone

My name is Jesse and I have a situation brewing and I'm not sure what to do. I have been in email contact with a Russian young lady from Cheboksary, Russia for about 2 1/2 weeks. She has fallen in great dear Love with me and wants to meet me here in America. She has not ask me for any money. She has given me her address but no home phone number and has called me four times from a international calling agency were she places a call to me of which I have only had a chance to talk with her on one of those calls. She said she has gone to the place for Tourist Visa's and has asked how much for a B1/B2 Visa and they told her $400.00 USD and she emailed me and told me what they had quoted her and she didn't know how she was going to get the money to come and be with me for Christmas but didn't ask for any help. Well I did the no no before reading some of the other Russian do's and dont's ... well I sent her a letter asking her if her intentions were to scam me or to get money for a passport and I'd never see her again and I sent her some of the scam letters that were posted of some scams... well you know what happen folks ... bad bad bad ... well after I explained to her what my intentions were not to question her but to show her the letters that were posted on the internet written by Russian woman about Russian women the scams they pull and monies they take and so on ..... Well folks she forgave me and now she has mentioned the $400.00 for her Visa and I ask her about airfare ... she said she had an aunt in the aircash system that could get her tickets fairly cheap, but has not ask me for any money but she could come up with half the money. She has been emailing me for over two weeks with good and decent pictures taken around and in the house and has not ask me for a dime for internet or translation fees ... should I be worried ..... should I take a chance on her ... is she trying to scam me for $400.00 USD or is she just hunting .... Help what should I do ....
She wants to come to America for Christmas to meet me ......

Thanks for all your help Jesse

This her last letter to me dated Oct 10, 04. Let me know what you think of this letter.

Hi my love JESSE, my pretty man!!! In free time I was thinking about us and about love. Love is friendship that has caught fire. It is quiet understanding, mutual confidence, sharing and forgiving. It is loyalty through good and bad times. It settles for less than perfection and makes allowances for human weaknesses. Love is content with the present, it hopes for the future, and it doesn't brood over the past. It's the day-in and day-out chronicle of irritations, problems, compromises, small disappointments, big victories, and working toward common goals. If you have love in your life, it can make up for a great many things you lack. If you don't have it, no matter what else there is, it's not enough. Tell me what do you think about this. I was very glad to speak by with you to phone my love, I
to adore your voice. I to want to be with you right now. My lovely, you have certainly brought to me long in that letter when was not confident me much and to ask to me such questions from which my heart shivered and to be ill and on soul it became bad, when I to begin to realize, that you after all it to me not trust. But I to forgive you for everything, I to forgive you these questions, I to forgive you your words which to do me sad because I too very to love you and to not want, that we quarreled. I very much want, that we have met you my love and you know. That I to require some help from you loved. The visa b-2 includes cost only the visa, it costs 400 dollars. Tickets of the plane go separate cost. I yet do not know, how many it costs for me to fly to airport Harlingen, Texas to you my love. On the account of tickets, I have aunt who works in the international aircash departments In Moscow in travel agency, she will help me to buy the necessary tickets to fly to you also will help to make it more cheaply as far as it will be possible. Also I shall save money for tickets while my visa to prepare. Before I shall fly to you my love. To me will give out holiday money for work because I shall go on leave also I shall have then some money to pay tickets of the plane for that. To fly to you my love. You ask me, as though you could help me. To bring me to America, I the answer. You know. That my financial situation not so is good now that I presumed to pay to myself my visa for 400 dollars. I certainly tried to find this money, but have not achieved in it m of success. Therefore if you helped me now and would send money for the visa, hopefully in 2 weeks at me my visa would be available to fly to you. I checked in bank as it is possible to send money through border and in bank to me have told, that the most convenient both fast and reliable way to cable money is the western union. My data which you will use in western the union at a sending of money. my data:

DATA REMOVED BY ME

I to learn from the operator western union in bank and he to me to tell, that I should inform you my complete name, that you could send me money through western union. After you will send money, you in bank inform ten numbers (MTCN), number control and not overlook to write your full address and the full name which you are filled at a sending of money and should inform me it. Also specify the sum which you to send me. You very much would help me. If has helped me to pay now the visa in this point. I to thank in advance you for the help. I to understand about tickets of the plane, but understand now the main thing it is necessary to make the visa and this main thing. I think, that I can pull almost half of cost of tickets of the plane to not render many financial problems. So I think, that I can arrive to you up to Christmas and we shall celebrate it together. I shall wait your letter my love. Bye bye!!!

Your Maria!!!

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Ranger...

Welcome to the Russian Meeting Place...

If you don't mind, I am going to move your post to the "Scam" section so that people can comment as to whether it might be a scam or not.

Welcome again,

Khashyar

Posted by: Menehune

sounds like your basic visa/airfare scam to me...

"Remember, if a girl says that she's going to pop down to the visa office and get a visa, it doesn't work that easy. Russians can't get a visa to a western country easily. And, "I have a friend/relative at the airport who can get a visa and ticket cheap." is a complete lie. It doesn't work like that here.".... by Jim at agencyscams.com

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Ranger....

I think that 2 weeks (and even 2 months) is far too little time for either a Russian woman (or a Western man) to know that they love someone and want to be with them.

Also... the chances of her receiving a tourist visa are VERY slim (I could even add a second "Very" to that sentence

)

I would not send her any money until you have met in person, have met her family, seen her home, and have communicated with her for several months.

I would not even consider sending a woman money until you have met and have become engaged, and even then, send limited amounts for email (much less than $100 per month-- closer to $30 to $40 per month), and then some money to help her to prepare for a fiance visa, if you and she decide to apply for one.

But, the fact that she wants to come and visit you after only 2 weeks of communicating with you leads me to believe that she probably does not have honest intentions with you, but... I do not feel that I can say this with 100% certainly since she may be niave about the process of a tourist visa...

But, do NOT send her any money for a tourist visa and tickets, as tempting as it might feel, and realize that you cannot know a woman and what her character is like until you meet her in person, OR if you have been emailing her nearly every day for several months and speaking on the phone very regularly for many months as well. Even then, I would not feel confident about knowing someone until I have met them in person and spent a good amount of time with them, and have had profound and open conversations about them both before and after we have met.

Be careful...

Khashyar

Posted by: Jill

My vote is scam. Watch your wallet

Posted by: sidney

I'll second that Jill.
Sid

Posted by: Jim_FL

I would agree with the others. You tipped your hand a little early and now she is back-peddling. I honestly don't believe this one is nieve and being duped by the travel agency. DO NOT SEND MONEY TO A PERSON YOU HAVE NEVER MET!!!! (no matter how plausible the story is)

Posted by: RANGERX21

Well folks

It has happened, I sent her an email letting her know I was unable to pay for any kind of visa or plane tickets at this time and that I would like meet her in Russia so that I could to meet her family and friends. I told her that we should meet in Russia first to make sure we are ment for each other and as suspected she has not emailed or called me since.....but I will give her more time to see if she may changes her mind. Thank all of you for your input and this has just verified what I was afraid of. Thanks again ...

Jesse

Posted by: theworkingman

I hear ya Jesse, and I was just in Chaboksary, its a beautiful city. She should know that the visa is probobly not going to work out. If she is able to get a tourist visa let me know how because I wish I could get one for my Nastya. She lives in Yoshkar-Ola and for the next two years I will be traveling back and forth to see her untill she finishes school. I drive right through Chaboksary after flying into Moscow. Your best bet is to go see her. Take all the pictures you can then if things work out the K-1 fiancee visa is your best way to go. And Jesse, I would pay a lot more than $400 if I could get my girl a visa. Think about it....

Posted by: rams

Sounds like a scam, but.... if you don't send money and she still wants to meet you ... maybe?
Let me tell you of a BIG MISTAKE I almost made. No I didn't lose any money, I almost lost the love of my life.

I had talked to my lady for almost four months every day, she never asked for money, but one day we we talking and she told me about her summer house, the roof leaked and the heavy rains was ruining the house, I decided to help her. No I'm not stupid I had previously caught six women trying to scam me without losing a dime, but this lady just seemed too genuine. She refused the money the first time, but after my insisting the next day she decided to take it.
Well, when I went to send this lady money, the girl at western union told me "Do you know another man is sending this lady a large sum of money?
I was shocked! I asked the western union lady was it the same woman's name, same place... she said yes!
I confronted my lady about this, she denied everything and I could tell she was on the verge of crying, I felt bad, something about this lady seemed too genuine, she was not like the scammers I had met. I checked again with western union and another lady answered the phone and said yes this lady with the same name is getting money from another man! I said was it in the same city, I could not belive this lady was a scammer and I know russian ladies all have very common names. This lady said she could not tell if it was the same woman in the same city. She transferred me to the fraud department at western union and some idiot guy that acted very much like the typical stupid cop assured me I was being scammed. "Better than 95% chance he said. " I asked could he check the city to see if it was a different city, but same name. He said the computer would not allow him to do that (typical stupid cop attitude, everybody is guilty, don't take the time to see if they might be innocent).
I still could not believe this lady was a scammer, I again called western union and pleaded with the lady to check and see what city the same russian lady's names were coming from, she said she would transfer me to someone in another department that could do this.
When the lady at the other department check the names and locations, yes it was a lady with the same name, .......BUT.... she was from a city 1100 miles away!!!! Then she said OOOOHHH Yes, you are the only man that has sent your lady money. My gal was innocent!!! I have since gone to Russia to meet her family ... and yes I saw the flooded summer house with the new roof that I helped her to pay for. She is a jewel of a lady, and I don't regret helping her financially when she needed it, though I would caution someone on this. But this just goes to show there are "TWO sides to every coin". Not all ladies in financial trouble are scammers.

Greg

Posted by: searcher

Well....

I agree with Rams.

I've known my lady for a while now, etc...

Not long ago some agency told her they could get her a tourist visa. They promised they could.... but she realized something was wrong when they told her it would cost $5000

Their justification was that would be enough money to bribe everyone. I wonder if many people there know just how seriously bribery is taken here.

Posted by: ConnerVT

Hmmm... Would you do business with a financial institution that informs other customers of your business transactions? Something doesn't seem right about this tale...

Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:

Originally posted by ConnerVT
Hmmm... Would you do business with a financial institution that informs other customers of your business transactions? Something doesn't seem right about this tale...

Conner,

You have a point, but it is misquided. I work at a major bank (not doing banking...FYI)... but, our tellers are supposed to look after our customers and if they think they are being 'scammed' they are supposed to mention it.. there are many people who do scam, like roof repairmen, I found this 'check' but do not have a bank account, can we split the money? You won a lottery, but need to send us CASH so we can process... the list goes on and on... I have read many stories about our tellers saving little old ladies a lot of money by informing them...

So, is you opinion the same?

Texas Proud

Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:

Originally posted by Texas Proud
So, is you opinion the same?

Yes, my opinion hasn't changed. I also worked for two years in the finance industry (residential mortgages). There are, at least in the US, pretty strict and well defined laws regarding confidentiality and the release of personal and financial information. On a weekly basis, you should see the amount of confidential paper that was shreaded by our small office (14 people). They would feed it into a machine that most resembles a wood chipper.

Let's reverse the roles, and say WU or another financial institution informed a client of yours or a business competitor about your financial transactions. Would you perhaps consider contacting your attorney?

I hope for the sake of the company you work for they reevaluate their business practices...

Posted by: rams

I tend to agree with both of you to some extent. It depends on the situation. If there is evidence of a scam, I think the bank is right in warning a person. But only with the information necessary. I know the WU ladies weren't supposed to give me the info they did and I don't want to get them in any trouble. But if a lady were to be receiving funds from several men, it would be very reasonable to suspect that she is most likely scaming the men.
Which is the lesser crime, revealing a vauge, small amount of personal information, or actually allowing your bank, and yourself, to partake in helping to execute a scam, without at least giving the victim a chance to reconsider?

Posted by: rams

One other thing on this. Talk about feeling like a JERK (and I do mean in capitol letters). Imagine offering, no insisting, a wonderful, kind, sweet, lady let you help her financially, and then suggesting she might have been trying to scam you. I felt like two inches tall afterwards. It will take a long time for me to live this one down!