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why do f.s.u women wish to leave there country
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Posted by: gino

hello everyone, well today i asked my g.f. why did she think the marriage sites were so popular with f.s.u women. the answer she gave me was as follows. there are plenty of good Russian men. the problem is that they have a very low source of income and can not support a family. the wealthy men of Russia are usually married and have a few mistresses. or if they are single they do not wish to have just one girlfriend. so i think it is a simple matter of economics. makes sense to me. she loves her country and really dose not wish to leave. so why else would you want to leave your country. You would leave to have a family and too improve your lifestyle. think about it, if the Russian economy was doing well.do you think there would be so many marriage sites?
Gino

Posted by: Jill

I agree with your girlfriend.

For the ones who want to leave, I would also say it's the economic situation--especially for those who live in small towns and villages where there are really no opportunities available to improve your life. Unfortunately, this is why trafficking of women has become such a problem in places like Ukraine and Moldova--women are so desperate, that they are willing to believe anything for the chance to go abroad and work. And there are plenty of people around to take advantage of that desperation.

On the other hand, of the Ukrainian women I know, I would say about 90% have absolutely no desire to emigrate. But then again, most of these women live in Kyiv where there are relatively good opportunities for education, careers, etc.

Posted by: Castlestormer

In Irkutsk, almost 60% of the people live below the poverty line, which is around $74 USD per month. And there are some absolutely gorgeous ladies in Irkutsk. Starting to see the picture?

Posted by: searcher

Well, I agree with what has been said and not to argue but I think there is more to this...

what I mean is that I think in GENERAL that is probably usually the reason - economics - but I think that SOMETIMES for SOME women it is because of other reasons.

I have talk to a few women and many will talk about the poverty, etc but I also found that a few have other reasons.

For example, you hear about women who complain about the men. Alright, true not all of the men are bad or undesirable, etc. Andrei said it very well, if the men were so bad, etc Russia would cease to exist.

I think that for some women, possibly due to the particular city they live, perhaps personal preferences, etc they do have other reasons. Some women live reasonably but they desire foreign men....... who knows why or all of their reasons....

I know when ***** had a legal matter involving * * * she told me not to worry about it because "you don't know ****** ***".

She seems to have had bad luck with men there. I think it may be just differences in personality, likes/dislikes, etc... but she mentions some of the troubles she has had.

You see, I know that economics is a big factor and probably the single biggest factor why many women choose to leave but also why do we hear about all of these other reasons.

I think there is a certain, although small, amount of truth to some of these things.

I think that for a few women, this is their experience.

Posted by: ConnerVT

I've got to side with Searcher on this one.

True, there are many women out there who's motivation to emigrate to the "Great PX" is mainly driven by financial factors. Some men think that this is beneficial to them. In reality, it is just the opposite. For these are the women who you probably shouldn't be in a relationship and marry.

Ideally, you want to find a woman whom life, love, and family are most important. Of course, financial security is a concern (for there has been very little of that in the FSU of late), but over the long term, money alone is not satisfying. And those who are driven by money, usually find their need for it to grow...

Posted by: AngryFisherman

I think it is an exercise in futility to try and answer this question. The reasons are numerous ... of course the financial motivations may outnumber the others if you look at the statistics. But the real important question is why he / she might be interested in leaving to be with YOU!

Have you guys heard the one about Russian mothers spoiling their sons? There might be some truth to this, but I suppose we would need a more detailed examination. This is nothing unique to the Russian men I think, as I have heard this one about Italian men as well ... but I am out on a limb here

(even I was spoilt rotten by my mom

).

FisherMan

Posted by: Will

I have to agree with Jill, I think women in general are a lot more pragmatic then men on the subject of "romance". I mean, they're a lot of would be " Knights in Shining Armour " out there. I've noticed that the " Knight" who can offer stability, comfortable surroundings and long term security has a definate advantage over a penniless ,charming rogue. I know that women are suposed to be the silly, romantic ones, but I gotta tell you, I know three men that got burned bad at love early on and never got back out there. They're averaging 10 years without a girlfriend. One of them pointed out that men suicide over women ten times as often as the other way around. Not sure if thats relavent , but it is damn intresting. Women just seem to have a more practical outlook. When you're looking at a long term relationship, be it business or marriage, both partys have to take a good look at the entire package the other brings to the table. I haven't known many women over 25 whose eyes get so glazed over by a "hot bod" that they can't see the rest [ and most important part] of a person. I WISH I could say the same for myself. Let me tell ya 'bout my last GF, she was 19 and SO hot......., well, results predictable *sigh*

Posted by: mria

From what I've seen, the answer that gino's girlfriend gave seems to be true. But I still don't know what makes fsu women in particular susceptible to the marriage sites. There seems to be a proliferation of these sites aimed at fsu women, when there are many many other women in other nations who are in the same or worse economic situation.

Even though most fsu women don't contact marriage sites, and are not looking for someone for economic reasons, I think out of all the world's women who do contact marriage sites, a large amount of these are from the fsu. This doesn't make sense economically because these countries have average economies on the world scale-they are not poor at all by world standards.

So I think its a mixture of culture and economy. We can see that coming from a less developed nation and a country with economic problems is NOT the main criteria for contacting marriage sites, otherwise there would be just as many sites aimed at Turkish and Egyptian and Indian women and all of the thousands of other nations that are developing.
It must be partly culture and partly something in the fsu culture that makes some women believe that there is a night in shining armour. Maybe the Russian media feeds the peoples' dream of going elsewhere and leaving all their troubles behind. If the media and the people are constantly talking about how hard done by they are in Russia, and how bad Russia is compared to everywhere else (when in fact its not), then its not suprising that generations of young women have bought this idea.
Obviously there is a better standard of living in the US compared to in Russia, but why is that MUCH more important for a Russian woman than for a Turkish woman?

Having said all of this, obviously it is possible to uproot and be with someone far away for reasons other than economics. People do it all the time for love. Jill is living in the Ukraine with her husband at the moment. I am seriously considering moving away from Europe to live with my fiance

. Other Russian women I know had no intention of leaving Russia, but did so because they fell in love (although I know many others who purposely looked for a foreign man so they could leave the country) So I'm sure one of the reasons can also be love.

Will is right in the sense that women aren't as silly and romantic as we are made out to be, but I don't think women as a whole are all as pragmatic about love and romance as the women who engage in these marriage sites. As Jill said, I do think the majority of women are not interested in leaving the fsu, but if by chance they happen to meet a foreigner without particularly looking for him, and romance blossoms, then like any woman or man, they would consider leaving and living in the country that is best for the both of them.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

I think that it is a myth that women from fsu will leave thier country , home , familly , job and friends at the drop
of a hat - my experience ( 41 - no children , no previous marriage ) was that women want younger men ( 30's ) and want what western women want - fun. excitement , life .
At least a few of the fsu women are looking JUST for a better life because of economic reasons but these are to be found in the small villages and towns in the fsu and not in places like St Petersburg, Kiev or Moscow.
Also the proliferation of marriage websites in fsu is also to do with the reselling or stealing of ladies photographs from one website to another , the mass marketing of marriage agencies in the fsu - sometimes it is free for a lady to join an agency so I think the mentality is " No risk - no champagne " its worth the risk -maybe it will bring an interesting correspondance and meeting. Finally , it seems to me to be " easy money " - let me explain - if the average monthly salary in fsu is $ 100 and marriage agencies are charging $ 200 for thier services , to a American or UK citizen this can seem like small change . The scam reporting websites testify to the ease with which men part with thier hard earned money in the hope of meeting Miss Right - so I guess the proliferation has alot to do with the pattern of spending which has occured and a realisation that it is a lucrative and relatively risk free business for the marriage agencies in fsu.

Pete

Posted by: neil277

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Posted by: gino

OK yes of course they leave there country for love. when i asked her what she thought. it was in terms of the f.s.u. female population as a whole. her particular reason for leaving is for love and so that her son could have a father figure. (me) but she did have a few bad relationships with Russian men. one in particular got her pregnant and left her. as far as money she doesn't need me. she has a beautiful new flat on the south west side of Moscow. its in a new building and its worth is an impressive some of money. her father was a politician in the Soviet days. but thats another story. Gino

p.s. guys think with there lower heads. its the women that have all the brains and checkout the whole package. At least the smart ones do. by the way what's wrong with love and improving your life style? abosolutly nothing. is this not the reason we work everyday and go to college? to improve our lifestyle? it is only human nature to do better.

Posted by: Vyesna

Congratulations Mria-- have you been holding out on us?

As for why more FSU women and fewere from other countries-- well, there is a big similar industry for Chinese and Phillippine women also, but FSU is probably big because a lot of the Western men who have the money to do this sort of thing want white women from a "Christian" country.

Posted by: Jerico

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As for why more FSU women and fewere from other countries-- well, there is a big similar industry for Chinese and Phillippine women also, but FSU is probably big because a lot of the Western men who have the money to do this sort of thing want white women from a "Christian" country

I think your absolutely right Vyesna.
I for one am attracted to Russian girls but I think it is also the sexy accent that attracts me to them.

My fiancee hates her accent when she speaks English but I enjoy it very much.

Jerry