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Creating an anti-scam website (sponsored by the Russian Meeting Place website)?
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Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Everyone,

We have discussed this idea before in this thread: http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...?&threadid=1978

But, I wanted to receive some fresh input regarding whether it would be of benefit to others if we opened a seperate website that specifically related to scams and preventing them.

I actually just registered three domain names that might be appropriate for an anti-scam site:

www.scamprevention.com
www.russianscams.com
www.russianscammers.com

Here are my questions that I would appreciate receiving feedback on:

1) Are there many people who visit anti-scam sites, and would they receive benefit if we opened an anti-scam site?

2) Which one of the above name do you feel is most appealing for an anti-scam site?

3) Are none of these website names appealing to you, and you would rather that we thought about another name?

4) or, should we just create a seperate section in this forum for a blacklist? I personally like the idea of just creating a seperate blacklist in the current RMP discussion forum (where people can post photos and evidence of a scam- like correspondences, etc....). Having an "Anti-scam" section of this website might add another dimension to the forum and website. One thing that I worry about is vicious attacks on our websites as were reported regarding the russianblacklist site, and I wouldn't want the RMP website hacks, or anything unpleasant to happen to Lena's family in Belarus (by agencies or scammers who were reported on the site).

Are there many people who are interested in a blacklist site, or is this current forum section on scams sufficient?

Another thought is that I don't want an antiscam element to overtake the other subjects in the forum or website, although I doubt that this will happen since it will be one section out of many on this woman.

What would best serve the interest of the visitors on this website, and what is needed out there?

Are there too many Russian anti-scam sites out there, or would a scam prevention site operated by Lena and I and the Russian Meeting Place be useful, visited and trusted by others?

Thanks for your feedback,

Khashyar

Posted by: AngryFisherman

Hi Khashyar!

I agree that the anti scam element is overtaking the other topics in the forum at times. It seems to me like a good idea to separate this out into it's own thing. And I can definately understand your concern about hacking and intimidation of the people involved in the site. I personally have not used anti scam services, so I do not know much about them. So it is difficult for me to comment on the need for you to make a separate site, but it seems to me like a full fledged anti scam site would take a lot of effort and work from the administrator(s) to me ...

Anyway I trust your descision will be the right one, this is after all a great site with passionate administrator(s) and great participants!!!

FisherMan

Posted by: Pin Boy

hi khashyar,

assuming that lena's family would be safe, i like idea number 4...i don't believe that scamming discussions are disproportionate on this site...i think they're invaluable and i support a anti-camming section of the RMP

keep up the great job you are doing with this site!

pin boy

Posted by: Khashyar

Thanks for your feedback, fisherman

I think that many members feel that it is important for them to speak about scams and how to prevent that, and if it serves their needs then I welcome those discussions here.

I have also noticed that there have been a number of scam discussions lately, but... it seems like it is what people need to talk about.

If I do setup a new scam site, I will set it up so that people can submit information about scams (letters, photos, etc), and then I will have some kind of software that automatically places the scam information on the website. I might even use a discussion forum software, and create sections there for people to post specific scams...

I could also use the same photo gallery software that I have on this site (www.russianmeetingplace.com/photos) and customize it to be used just for scams and "scammers."

Thank you again for your feedback, and I welcome more thoughts regarding this.

Khashyar

Posted by: Khashyar

Thank you for your support and your thoughts, Pin Boy...

I am thinking that if I do create a seperate website regarding scams, I will register the domain name under a P.O. Box mailing address, and not mention that it was created by the owners of the RMP website

so that we can be fairly anonymous.

Of course I would mention it in our forum.

I have two (additional) questions for you....

1) Do you feel that an anti-scam website is needed on the internet today, or... are there anti-scam websites that serve this need right now? Would we truly fulfill a need by creating that type of website?

2) Also, if we did create a seperate website, which of those names is most appealing to you? Or if none of them really seem appealing, mention that also...

I appreciate all of your feeback,

Khashyar

Posted by: Lola

May I ask you something? why thr names are www.russianscams.com
www.russianscammers.com
Only the russians scam through Internet??? It is similar to discrimination to national tag
also what are you going to do with photos of russian women who you decide tpo name as scammer??? According to Copyright Law of the United States of America a still photographic image produced for exhibition purposes only is the subject to copyright protection
and what about "model release agreement"? Hence all these black lists should be deleted according these law and those women whose photos are there, could be paid the money as compensation of moral harm

Posted by: Clarita

I just wanted to say the same as Lola said. One scam site is already closed by these reasons and you want to make new one. And I hope with a time ALL site with similar names will be closed.

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Lola and Clarita...

I can understand that you would want the Russian agencies, women and men to be fairly treated, and not to be mislabeled as fraudulent, as well as not to promote the stereotype of "Russian Scammers."

The name "Russianscams" and "Russianscammers" is not to say that Russians in general are not honest or scammers... It is a description of what the website would be about, which is to present people who are acting fraudulently in the Russian Dating business.

If we were talking about people who act fraudulently in the Swedish dating scene, then swedishscammers.com would be an appropriate name.

Of course not only Russians scam on the internet... I never implied that nor do I believe this.

I do think that sites that help protect people from fraud, whether it is regarding Russian dating fraud, or Americans fraudulently selling vacuum cleaners, or Englishmen who are selling fake antiques, are helpful and can protect people.

The legality of posting someone's photo is another issue, and is a good question. A person in Russia would have to go to a U.S. court to press charges against someone in the U.S., but I can see that a Russianscam website might atttract anger and unpleasant feelings.

I am going to being a new thread about the legality of "Russian Scam" websites.

Thanks for your feedback and thoughts,

Khashyar

Posted by: Clarita

Quote:

Originally posted by Khashyar
Hi Lola and Clarita...

I can understand that you would want the Russian agencies, women and men to be fairly treated, and not to be mislabeled as fraudulent, as well as not to promote the stereotype of "Russian Scammers."

The name "Russianscams" and "Russianscammers" is not to say that Russians in general are not honest or scammers... It is a description of what the website would be about, which is to present people who are acting fraudulently in the Russian Dating business.

If we were talking about people who act fraudulently in the Swedish dating scene, then swedishscammers.com would be an appropriate name.

Of course not only Russians scam on the internet... I never implied that nor do I believe this.

I do think that sites that help protect people from fraud, whether it is regarding Russian dating fraud, or Americans fraudulently selling vacuum cleaners, or Englishmen who are selling fake antiques, are helpful and can protect people.

The legality of posting someone's photo is another issue, and is a good question. A person in Russia would have to go to a U.S. court to press charges against someone in the U.S., but I can see that a Russianscam website might atttract anger and unpleasant feelings.

I am going to being a new thread about the legality of "Russian Scam" websites.

Thanks for your feedback and thoughts,

Khashyar

As the scam capital is Lugansk in Ukraine you even did not think about use ukrainianscammers.com or bielorussianscammers.com . Why?
Yes, all what you will get is make worse reputation of RUSSIAN women (russian I meam from Russia.

And yes, for close such site we dont need to go to US court. There are many legal ways to do that directly from Russia. Of course I will not open secrets how to do that.

Posted by: Castlestormer

Don't take it personal Clarita. You should know how much love there is here and other places for Russian ladies. We all know that they're the best in the world.

But unfortunately, most Americans who are looking east for a mate first think of Russia. And it's sad that many people can't even spell Ukraine, much less find it on a map. The more you read from gents who have been hustled, the more you will see that they even use the expression "Russian bride" in the same sentence as Ukraine. It must have to do with the mindset of most Americans who still see the FSU as Russia. Bear with our ignorance. We're getting there, slowly but surely.

Hey, we haven't picked on Moldova or Georgia for a while.....

Posted by: Clarita

CastleStormer, you are absolutelly right. And it makes me angry and on same time it is big field for education of westerners. Education can be only one way to prevent scam, not making more and more special lists.

Real scammers will just use new stealed photos and new emails addresses.

Khashyar I just thought: if you will use

www.scamprevention.com

name and use it as educational site for both men and women how to protect men from financial scam and women from sexual harrasment and traffiking, it would have more success and will be more usefull.

Posted by: neil277

Hello Panel,

This form will never beat the scammer but they can advise the do's and dont's and the best way to meet a Russian Wife.

I like this form and enjoy my time reading other peoples stories and yes the Ukraine is the no1 for mafia, so you get many scammers and i went to night club in Ukraine and many bandits/mafia.

I dont like theses people but as we all know theses people are there to cause us problems so we must be smart and think way ahead of them, theses days i think like a Russian not an English guy but a Russian guy.

Life is hard in any country but when a lady comes from a poor country you have to be careful, say i send $300 to a Russian lady to take her babies fathers rights away via the courts and then i send $300 per month to this lady so she can have better life, go places and give her little girl the best, whats wrong with this??????

Now if this lady is not strong she becomes selfish and greedy, now listern you have created a scammer where does the poor lady go from here??

What is wrong with sending money?????? $300 to a Ukraine women is big money and in the Ukraine some ladies have two jobs to survive max $100 per month.

My words why you look for English man, i am tired and my head hurts, i want change for my child so she can have good life what is wrong with this????

I will fight for the Russian lady but if they scam i want home $30000-$100000 is not big money then they are gone.

Women are very beautiful people and should be respected what ever there culture and not treated as a play thing for any mans needs.

We all have feelings.

Regards

Neil

Posted by: moosehead

CastleStormer

Your the Man...man!!! Neal...Im not getting your logic.

Posted by: neil277

Hello Panel,

I feel scam sites are not doing there job very well they all seem to be the same, i feel we need to be able to check e.mails and home address at the right cost to the client.

When you finally understand you have been scammed by the party girl, the feeling in your body is awful and never goes away.

And i feel scam sites are giving the wrong information some ladies are very sensitive and there e.mails are more emotional then the other ladies.

I feel scam sites should be free but a small donation of $10 is a good price if you have been saved from a scammer.

I would like to say there are very beautiful people in this world and when good things are good in your life there is always someone to cause a problem.

This is life and we have to take the good with the bad.

Regards

Neil

Posted by: Jimtazem

Hey people,

I just wanted to make two points here.

1. Toying with someones emotions and leading them to believe something which is not true is not a crime. The idea of finding romance online is inherently risky. It does not matter what country you are from or who you are typing at. You must go into any situation with open eyes and a closed heart. If you let your emotions dictate what happens then you will surely lose. in some way.

2. The chances of an american man encountering a scam are far more likely than finding a girl who is genuine. The odds are against you. And to that point if you create a sight devoted to scammers and scamming you may find an overwhelming task of tracking and verifying such a thing.

in regards to the legal aspects...

Its a sad thing when 'con artists' and 'scammers' in general have all the rights and the victims have none. And those who would fight against it think the victims are fools.

I would support the idea but the framework would be difficult.
And i agree with clarita that the name should be something less exclusive to russian women.

Oh, just curious how many russian women have gotten scammed by any man from any country? Ha...that just sounds funny

jimtazem

Posted by: dls1223

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimtazem
Oh, just curious how many russian women have gotten scammed by any man from any country? Ha...that just sounds funny

If you include all the FSU women who have been tricked or forced into prostitution or other forms of slavery in Western countries (USA included), then quite a few have been 'scammed' by men from other countries. Scamming is wrong, but for the forseeable future it will continue to be the best worst option for some women (and men). Forewarned is fore-armed.

Posted by: Jimtazem

Quote:

I was talking about the scamming during the dating/match finding process... now we are including prostitution and slavery ?

I think thats what the subject was for... right ? Or did we open this up to everything bad that happens ?

Just trying to stay on the same page...

Jimtazem

Posted by: searcher

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimtazem
I was talking about the scamming during the dating/match finding process... now we are including prostitution and slavery ?

I think thats what the subject was for... right ? Or did we open this up to everything bad that happens ?

Just trying to stay on the same page...

Jimtazem

That understandable.

Men that scam I think would also include "sex tourist" (do a search on this site for "sex tourist") and also men that want a free place to stay during their trip(s).

Of course, there are also men who never had serious intentions including married men who are just looking for "fun".

Posted by: Clarita

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimtazem
Hey people,
Oh, just curious how many russian women have gotten scammed by any man from any country? Ha...that just sounds funny

jimtazem

Hi,
I can say, practically every woman that you see on dating sites, was scammed by western men. And even finansially too. One my friend now wrote an article for popular ladies magazine about common men's scam.

Posted by: Jimtazem

Quote:

I can say, practically every woman that you see on dating sites, was scammed by western men. And even finansially too. One my friend now wrote an article for popular ladies magazine about common men's scam.

WOW,

Thats very discouraging news. What are your sources ? where did you read that ? Does that mean we can't trust practically every woman on any site for fear of dishonesty or vindication ?

I agree that it may be true that russian laddies may get takin advantage of but do you really seriously want anyone to believe that russian laddies get scammed out of money, or crimes of the heart, as much as the men ?

I dont hear of to many 40 year old, fat, bald guys trying to get money out of a tight, 20 year old, blonde girl. Or leading her on with enticing emails that go nowhere. Or better yet, an email sent to you for a guy named "Doug" when your name is Jim.

So....fact or opinion...

Jimtazem

Posted by: Clarita

I just say that woman who try to find a man in internet must be ready to lies. NOT TRUST to men must be first rule.

Yes, you will be surprised how much women have lost money, and sometimes very big money (is 5000$ small money for middle russian woman?), have lost money by men's scam.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

Clarita , my first experience of a scam was when I wrote and had a correspondance with a ukrainian woman . I did not have a computer at that time and the letters took along time to arrive . The lady told me it takes 3 weeks for a letter to get to England - having never been to the fsu I believed and trusted her and believed what she told me . ( I now know it takes at the most 11 days for a letter to be sent from Ukraine to England). I travelled to meet the lady and she was a gold digger - she had never read my letters and was only interested in expensive gifts , restaurants etct , etc -She was not seriously looking for a relationship with me but simply looking to get me to buy her things which she was unwilling to buy herself ie she was greedy .

What hurt the most was that she could have told me she did not like me before I travlled to meet her and she could have said that she wanted just freindship . But she never did - it was for this reason that I am sure she had done this several times before to other men and she was used to this way of getting money.

I agree , Clarita , trust is the first casualty. I simply do not trust someone until I have met them and met thier freinds and familly . And even then , I am still hesitant because I have my home to lose - if I was to marry and the lady was really only after citzenship of my country after less than 2 years I would be divorced and my home would be taken from me - I would technically be homeless . So I am very wary of fast freindship , romance or the words " I love you" when it comes too fast. This is because in England I have never heard the words " I love you " spoken to me- Yet in the fsu it seems like a common expression-
and as a single 41 year old who has average looks and average job and home , it takes some believing that the words " I love you " mean what they say rather than " I will use you until I am finshed with you - then you can go " etc etc.

I agree , with the sound advice - trust no one - get to know the person .

Rattle

Posted by: lester

I would find a scamchecking / blacklist site. overseen by RMP
very useful!

Naming it scamprevention would be my preferred domain name,
it has to run separately from the main forum.

Iwould like to be able to communicate with previous correspondents of both Russian and Fsu ladies,to compare
experiences of meetings etc.
The agency I used seem unable to tell me to whom or how many
contacts there have been with the "lady" I wrote to.

Posted by: Khashyar

Thank you, Everyone, for your comments...

At this time, I think that I would rather keep helpful "anti-scam" information here on this website, rather than create a brand new website (which would require that I manage a fourth website

--managing websites is a lot of responsibility and work, and I think that the best option would be to continue to maintain the scam section of this website, as well as for others to share their experience and advice about how to find and foster successful Russian-Western relationships...

Khashyar

Posted by: rob_we

yes, i think its very true what clarita says. I know this from several things on chats my wife was and is in too. I sit next to her sometimes and she shows me or i see. we have lots of friends all over the world that we contact through internet chat and also use still some dating sites (because we meet certain people there). If you log on as a woman, (especially when you are saying you are russian) you get the whole western scum and perverts there that you even can´t imagine. From small things like "send me nude pictures then im gonna mary you, to massive sexual harrasement that you only can get rid of when you log off the site, to guys who propose to a woman with a 14 year old daughter to call her and to listen to her spanking her daughter in a given manner! This is outrageous. I wonder that any russian girl still believes there is someone "normal" out there. Im not even talking about the more clever sex tourists looking for nothing than a cheap intercourse promising everything and using these girls to the fullest. That IS the reality. So I think if you see it from this perspective once you will understand that even this coin has two sides!

Posted by: Khashyar

Well put, Rob...

I think that there are honest and dishonest people everyone, both male and female.

Lena has also heard of experiences with men emailing nude photos, and wanting to have phone sex soon after first communicating with someone.

(perhaps we should open a new thread regarding negative experiences that the Russian woman endures).

There are also many examples that many of us have heard where a man who is 70, for example, wants to find, date and marry a woman who is 18, 19, or 20.

Of course, there are noth wonderful men and wonderful women out there, but there are also both men and women who are not good choices for a relationship or marriage.

Khashyar

Posted by: rob_we

Khashyar

of course. We know some absolutely nice international couples. And we love each other and get along well, difficulties arise and are solved, everything is fine. And there are nice girls and guys out there to my opinion lots of them. You know sometimes i just get upset with this wholesale attitude of people who think eastern european girls are a bargain and have to be grateful to be taken by someone who is a total looser in his environment!
Its like everywhere: Find your match. Mine was just in russia...

Posted by: Clarita

Quote:

Originally posted by rob_we
to guys who propose to a woman with a 14 year old daughter to call her and to listen to her spanking her daughter in a given manner!

Do you also know about that case? It had has continuation.

Posted by: Missouri

Clarita

quote:
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Originally posted by rob_we
to guys who propose to a woman with a 14 year old daughter to call her and to listen to her spanking her daughter in a given manner!
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The guy sounds sick in the head, or something terrible.. Maybe you could tell us some things about this- I don't want to hear all the lurid details.

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

From my limited knowledge of scams and scammers - men and women are both equally capable of scamming . For a man to make promises to meet and then fail to follow through seems like a scam . Likewise , the sort of behaviour which Rob_we described makes my blood boil

I think some guys are so desperate for a relationship they fail to read the signals from a woman on a first date. For example the guy may fail to pick up cues and signals that the woman does not find him attractive - if the guy persists in pursuing her he is only going to add insult to injury ie it is reallya question of the woman's pride - ie why should a western european man presume that just because he is from western europe or the USA that that alone qualifies him to be a great catch ???

The definition of scam has failed to identify the role the man makes in this - ie , if a man is not honest with the woman , does not appear or act as he said in his letters , he is then putting himself in a position to be " scammed ".

Some men , have reported women as scammers simply because they were rebuffed and these men felt they had some god given guarantee that romance and love would develop - when it
didnt and wouldnt they reacted by posting a scam notice.

OK scams do mostly involve requests for money for visa and flight tickets after a short correspondance in which one o r both parties declare that they have fallen in love ( without having met) but
scams involving men asking for sex , or attempting to use the woman as a sex object occur with as much frequency as the attempts to obtain money via western union.

IMHO , there should be a scam site which details both female AND
male scammers ( including photographs ) so that both women and men can be protected from individuals who use the internet to abuse the trust of others .

Rattle

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

I think information on male scammers is available but is on a russian site maybe - eitherway , it is high time that men who scam , abuse the trust of others and who victmise others - thier faces and names should be known as widely as the faces of the female scammers - this would I feel provide more balance to the argument

rattle