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Micheal Moore I need your help!
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Posted by: Castlestormer

Can you help me make a documentary? Yours is obviously making tons of money; so you must be doing something right. If you read this board, would you be willing to help a poor guy out?

I would like to make one on how there are more functioning hospitals and schools in Iraq than there were before the war.

Posted by: Castlestormer

Maybe I'll make one on how there is no more forced genital circumcision in Iraq any more. Can you help?

Posted by: Castlestormer

Can you help me tell about how there are no more forced rapes of random ladies since Saddam's sons are out of the picture?

Posted by: Castlestormer

Help me be eloquent in letting people know how much they appreciate the fact that they will be able to vote for whomever they want.

Posted by: Castlestormer

Can you give me some pointers?

Posted by: Castlestormer

I want to make people believe the truth...just like you!

"...American troops pass out food and medicine to Iraqis, including this little girl:"

Posted by: Castlestormer

I wonder if opinions about conflict would be different if a plane flew into Big Ben? What about the Eiffel Towel or the Taj Mahal?

Posted by: Castlestormer

Would I then be able to enrage the people of those countries? Would I still be able to hit all the major talk shows?

Posted by: Castlestormer

So let's do lunch Mr Moore. I would love to learn how to do it just like you have done.

PS: I'll be picking up the check, OK?

Posted by: sidney

Castlestormer I enjoyed the photos and could add many more.
Sid

Posted by: sidney

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I feel disgusted by blatant hypocrisy

I see blatant hypocricy but it is in your post. I support our president and his actions and for you to liken them to nazis is asinine. He had the guts to do what needed to be done. Even when much of europe was afraid of consequences. I'm glad that it wasn't Clinton or Gore who would have sat there shaking their finger after 9-11.

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Never mind that children on these pictures can be killed by American bombs tomorrow.

We have not forgot about the flying bombs of 9-11. There has not been an attack here in America since 9-11 so I see the war as doing some good. I sleep better at nigh as will our next genation. I think the world is even safer but I'm sure you'll differ.

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Not to mention that as far as I know the US is the only country in the world that legally executes its children

I have not a clue what you're talking about. I can only guess that it's an abortion issue but for fear of trying to read your mind I can only speculate.

Posted by: Eryk

>>We have not forgot about the flying >>bombs of 9-11.

Iraq has nothing whatever to do with 9-11. You're thinking of Afghanistan.

>>I have not a clue what you're talking >>about. I can only guess that it's an >>abortion issue but for fear of trying to >>read your mind I can only speculate.

I think she's probably referring to the fact that the USA is one of the only countries in the world to impose (and carry out) the death penalty upon people for crimes they committed while they were children.

Eryk

Posted by: Castlestormer

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Originally posted by aqua
Never mind that the whole rest of the world (I watch international news daily) broadcasts quite different images.

You're right aqua. Al Jezeera shows many images that are quite different. They show heads rolling, and people from many nations crying for their lives. But it's not American bombs killing them. It's Iraqi swords. Seen any of those shots?

Posted by: mria

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Originally posted by CastleStormer
Maybe I'll make one on how there is no more forced genital circumcision in Iraq any more. Can you help?

The only way you could find this information is if you carried out surveys on random samples of Iraqi women BEFORE and AFTER the invasion of Iraq.

You would have to find out how what percentage of women were having this procedure and then equate it with a statistical drop in the number of women having genital circumsision after the Bush invasion.
It is unlikely that any reliable data was carried out on this subject, not least because women are unlikely to be so open about something so personal.

Genital circumcision is usually carried out by other female members of a family (usually mother or aunt). There was a documentary on this subject about a tribe in Africa. When the men were asked whether or not their wives and daughters were circumsized, most of them did not know.
The women themselves saw it as a rite of passage into womanhood, and refused to give up the ceremony unless it could be replaced by another. In countries where it has been banned, it has been driven underground, where it is carried out in unsanitary conditions instead of with the proper medical attention that men receive when they are circumsised.
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Most American men are circumsised (most European men are not) but because that comes from OUR culture, and we understand it, that is okay, but when we come accross something that we don't understand, we condemn it as wrong, and it has to be eradicated.
In fact, we in the west cannot begin to contemplate the intricate cultural details involved in this procedure.

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By the way, when the African tribal women in the documentary were told that Western women have their breasts cut up and filled with plastic in order to make them more "attractive", they were horrified at such a barbaric assault on the female body.

Posted by: Eryk

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Originally posted by mria
The only way you could find this information is if you carried out surveys on random samples of Iraqi women BEFORE and AFTER the invasion of Iraq.

That is irrelevant, a cursory glance at the research will establish that FGM never existed to any significant degree in Iraq or any other Arab or Persian country in the first place. It is an African tribal practice that bcame conflated with Islamic doctrine but it never made it much further than Egypt geographically. Ten minutes with google will establish that the whole premise is a red herring.

Eryk

Posted by: mria

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Originally posted by sidney

We have not forgot about the flying bombs of 9-11. There has not been an attack here in America since 9-11 so I see the war as doing some good. I sleep better at nigh as will our next genation. I think the world is even safer but I'm sure you'll differ.

As I mentioned in a previous post, you can kill terrorists, but you can't kill terrorism, because terrorism is an ideology. US foreign policy is AGGRAVATING terrorism. As long as it supports Israel's assault on (what is left of) Palestine; as long as it insists on cultural imperialism, the terrorism will only get worse. I am happy that you can sleep better at night, but as for me, I am becoming more and more worried.

Posted by: mria

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Originally posted by CastleStormer
Help me be eloquent in letting people know how much they appreciate the fact that they will be able to vote for whomever they want.

As long as it is not the Islamic mullahs that the Iraqi people wanted take power.
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I'm not sayin Iraqis aren't pleased that Saddam has gone. They are. However, there were and are much more pressing issues to be solved in the world than Saddam Hussein. It was the lies and pretences on which Bush justified the invasion that has angered people. If he said- "Look, it is no longer in US interest to be friends with Saddam anymore, and we have economic gain from this, and I'm a bit confused by these people called Muslims " then I would at least respect him for honesty (although he did MENTION he was going on a "crusade").
But all of this "we are saving the world" nonsense has just made people even more angry than they ever were. The Iraqis were grateful to the Americans for getting rid of Saddam (although so many people didn't need to die) but now they want America out.
They don't want a leader that had to be vetted first by the US. They don't want US military parading their streets. Its humiliating to say the least.
I'm not even saying that the Muslim leaders which the Iraqis wanted could do a better job than Bush-maybe they couldn't, but the point is that Bush is misunderstanding something called "democracy", which means, the people have the right to decide who and what they want. He is ignoring the basic principles of democracy.

Posted by: Jerico

I am with you Castlestormer all the way.
Maybe its because I am an American , I dont know.
Ya Bush is not the perfect president but it could be worse.
He simply cannot win with whatever he does.

mria - If US policy is AGRAVATING terrorism . I think thats a good thing.
Let them show themselves now so that we as a country can take care of the problem, permanently.
if we do nothing about them ,they will not just dissappear.
They will cause another tragedy to push their agenda.
my 2 cents
Jerry

Posted by: mria

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Originally posted by Jerico

mria - If US policy is AGRAVATING terrorism . I think thats a good thing.
Let them show themselves now so that we as a country can take care of the problem, permanently.
if we do nothing about them ,they will not just dissappear.
They will cause another tragedy to push their agenda.
my 2 cents
Jerry [/B]

YOu are right, terrorISM will not dissappear.
Terrorists are created by an unfair and unjust situation in the world, and Bush is promoting that situation.
Every time you kill 1 terrorist, you will create 5 more.
Get rid of the Israeli army, make fair trade policies, don't exploit third world cheap labour, don't believe your outlook and way of living is the best and only way, --and then terrorism will stop.

Posted by: mria

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Originally posted by Jerico

Ya Bush is not the perfect president but it could be worse.

Jerry [/B]

In a sense that is true. But it only feels like that because we are from the same side of the world as Bush.

Imagine this scenario;

A very powerful country exists in the world- much more powerful than our own countries. The leader was, for argument's sake, an extreme Islamic fundamentalist. He could make any country do as he wanted, and behave in the way he wanted, and if they didn't, he would impose trade sanctions on them. He wanted every country to be Islamic fundamentalist like his own. He tried to do his best and keep order in the world, in the way that he saw was right, but some countries just couldn't understand that his way was the right way. He chose to support a group of rich people in the world who were destroying the country of a group of poor people, because even though he was trying to be fair, he is not perfect. Well one day, these poor people had enough, and decided to do something about it. They knew they had the backing of most of the world, because everyone was getting a bit fed up about the fact that this leader wanted everyone to be Islamic fundamentalist....

Change the leader into 'Bush/Western government', and turn Islamic fundamentalism into 'democracy', and you begin to get an idea of why some people are getting annoyed by the status quo.

Posted by: Jerico

mria,
I agree with you in the sense that we as a country meddle to much in other countries affairs.
However if we did not meddle in World War 2 to help Europe against the germans , they eventually would knock on our door step.
If we do not agree with a countrys policys than trade sanctions are the best way to make them see our way of thinking perhaps.Why would we have free trade relations with a country thats policys are not common with our own.
Hit them where it hurts ,the pocket book.
Since when is it bad to support rich people , Heh
Rich people create jobs ,not poor people.
There will always be the rich and always the poor. This is life.
Poor people always think their getting the shaft and are entitled to something for nothing.
It is like this in America as it is everywhere. I see it everyday in life and on the news.
I am no expert on foreign relations but this is the way I see it.
Strengthen our borders/Drill our own oil/eliminate wellfare and entitlements and the USA will be OK
Jerry

Posted by: sidney

Maybe we should change this site from Russian Meeting Place to what is wrong with America. It seems many don't like our president, policy, economic sanctions, child capital punishment, our support of Israel and more. This site has evolved in the wrong direction. What I don't understand is why so many countries try to copy our systems and why so many people want to live here.
Sid

Posted by: Castlestormer

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Originally posted by sidney
Maybe we should change this site from Russian Meeting Place to what is wrong with America. It seems many don't like our president, policy, economic sanctions, child capital punishment, our support of Israel and more. This site has evolved in the wrong direction. What I don't understand is why so many countries try to copy our systems and why so many people want to live here.
Sid

It's kind of funny, isn't it? Look at the countries where the most adamant anti-Iraq war members post from. Aren't they also part of the coalition? Bush must have been twisting Blair's arm, huh? lol!

Mria and aqua, I love your passion. I disagree with almost everything you say politically. But I greatly respect your right to say it, and our right to "agree to disagree" and still be friends. Hang in there! My post was really tongue in cheek, not a firestarter. Now, let's start trashing Turkey. They have troops in Iraq also, right? And we've been waaaay too light on the Aussies around here.

Posted by: Jerico

Hehehe

Ya lets get back to talking about the beautiful woman in Russia and Ukraine.
Politics are a no win situation no matter which way you go with them.

Posted by: Khashyar

I'm glad that you can speak about this and maintain your light hearted nature, Steve

I actually think that it is a wonderful and beneficial thing that our members have such different ideas, opinions, and views...

That means that all of us can be presented with different views and perspectives, and decide what to believe within our own minds.

We rarely get into side discussions like this (away from the Russian and Russian-Western relationship theme), but... I think that we are talking about what is passionately on the minds of Americans and people around the world. This truly is an international forum, and for that reason, it is stimulating.

I also want to mention that I respect how people are disagreeing, and doing so while respecting others right to their opinions and presenting thought-out perspectives.

Of course, we will certainly move on, when this subject has taken its course, and get back to discussing Russia and R-W relationships.

I'm glad that we can file these non-Russia-related discussions in an "Off-Topic" section

Again, I respect how we have respectfully handled this topic and our disagreements.

Khashyar

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

The tragedy of iraq is that the country has been badly led for decades and western govts have connived at this for a very long time - Uk has supplied arms whilst Saddam was in power as did Russia . The middle east has never been a democratic region because its culture and traditions are based on clans and tribal divisions. For the west to impose democracy may work - the west helped Saddam Hussein to gain power in the first place .Russia main interest was oil - Russain trained engineers built the oil fields and maintained them and most of the professionals - Doctors etc were trained either in Iraq or in the fsu
The right to autonomous soverignty is the issue here but it is a complex issue. The middle east holds the key to most of western european fuel supplies - without countries like Saudi Arabia , Western Europe would in a very short time revert to the middle ages. Were there Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq ?- maybe but Hans
Blicks never had the chance to put his case forward and no nuclear weapons have been found in Iraq. Did Iraq want nuclear weapons - probably , yes. The sanctions imposed by western european countries and the USA on Iraq prior to 9/11 were having an affect but would they have led to the down fall of Saddam Hussein ? I doubt it . On a personal note I think that only in extreme circumstances eg self defence would a war be justified
and the UN - albeit a very weak organisation should have decided the fate of Iraq - not just one or two NATO countries.

Posted by: Eryk

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Originally posted by Jerico
I am no expert on foreign relations but this is the way I see it.
Strengthen our borders.....

Strengthen the borders? Hmmmm ...you mean abolish the 'K...' visa system and keep all those pesky Russkie women out??

Eryk

Posted by: sidney

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This is the kind of lies you are fed by the media

Yes Aqua lets add one more thing wrong with the world. I guess we know different people in these countries because many I've spoken to would love to have the opportunity to come here. My wife doesn't even enjoy visiting home as much since living here for a few years. She had many friends that were asking if I had friends because they would like to meet an American and come here. I know of more then a dozen that immigrated the last years and are happy. What I don't understand is why you stay if this place is so bad. There are planes taking people away daily. The only reason I can think that they can't leave would be because they are incarcerated.

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I personally know Russian, Armenian, Ukrainian, Libyan, Japanese, Korean, German, French and Indian immigrants to the US who either have gotten sick of this place and gone home, or are wishing they could do so.

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I don�t think the site has evolved in wrong direction. It�s essentially about immigration.

The direction I speak about is attitude which I see you have in spades.

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There are countries that the US is forcing to accept certain political and economic structure for its own needs. Iraq would be a good example

Given the choice of democracy or dictatorship I can only assume what your choice is.

Posted by: sidney

To Kill an American

You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.

So an Australian dentist wrote the following to let everyone know what an American is, so! they would know when they found one. (Good on ya, mate!!!!)

An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani, or Afghan. An American may also be a Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses. An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

An American is from the most prosperous land in the history of the world. The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person the pursuit of happiness.

An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need. When Afghanistan was overrun by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.

Americans welcome the best, the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best athletes. But they also welcome the least. The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America. Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001, earning a better life for their families. I've been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 other countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and every bloodthirsty tyrant in the history of the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

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Pass this around the World.

Posted by: Jerico

Hehehe Eryk,
Anybody living in California knows what I mean when I say strenghen our borders.
As for the K-1 visa ,I do not mind this paperwork .
This is legal immigration not illegal.
I just wish it went a little faster.
Lets just say when there thinking of giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses it is frustrating that this type of behavior is rewarded.
Jerry

Posted by: sidney

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You have come up with very few facts to support your opinion. You remind me of a 5-year-old - �I can�t beat you with logic or facts, so you are BAD, I�m going to be MAD at you, don�t touch my toys and get out of my room�.

This name calling is uncalled for Aqua. I would have expected more from someone with an apparent education such as yourself. You seem to have issues that need to be addressed by a professional. I would suggest a good anger management counselor. This attitude needs to be channeled in a more positive direction.
Lets look at some of your posts. Originally Castlestormer wrote a witty as well as amusing thread with positive images of the war. You come out as calling these images to look like nazi propaganda. This also was uncalled for.
[/QUOTE] CastleStormer, I�m curious to hear your arguments based on logic and true facts. So far I�ve seen none.[/QUOTE]
I felt Castle stormer made valid points of discussion as have I.
It seems no one can do any support of facts to satisfy you and that would include the media.

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This is the kind of lies you are fed by the media.

You seem to have facts reversed to suit your veiws. Lets remember that the guards at our borders are not there to keep us in.

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As for people wanting to live here... From all the people who I know in Russia nobody, and I repeat NOBODY wants to live in the US. When I immigrated here people were actually feeling sorry for me. The same applies to my friends and acquaintances in Europe - I can�t think of a single person wanting to move here.

I have to ask the question again.
QUOTE]What I don't understand is why you stay if this place is so bad. There are planes taking people away daily. The only reason I can think that they can't leave would be because they are incarcerated.[/QUOTE]
Thinking about this I quess that I could add a mental institution as keeping one from leaving.

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It means that they are not brainwashed as some people tend to be here, in the US.

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Corporations own and control mass media, they censor information in a way that they decide what is being shown and emphasized. Most of the Americans get their information from the TV screen so here�s the easiest way to control people�s minds.

Again if someone disagrees with your point of view they are labeled as brainwashed.
You go on to list our election process as another flaw in this nation. It may not be perfect but I feel it a better choice to the way it is done in your country. But it least this time you did give an alternative.

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Then there�s your �winner-takes-all� system. While in parliamentary democracies (like some in Europe) every party actually gets the percentage of seats in parliament corresponding to how many votes they got. Here it doesn�t work this way, therefore the interests of the huge percentage of the population remain unrepresented.

One big flaw would present itself with our last election. With near equal votes between Gore and Bush the country would have two presidents with a power struggle between them.

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This totally qualifies as dictatorship, by the way.

Again a distorted view labeling America as a dictator government.

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Is this the democracy you are talking about? Is this what you are proud of?

What I am proud of is our military and their way of going at conflicts that many in the world disagree with and have fear of. We have some of the best universities and hospitals might I add with some of the lowest child mortality rates in the world. Our democracy works here no matter your view. There is much to be proud of in this nation. In the words of Calvin Coolidge, our only president born on independence day in America. That is tomorrow. "The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good. The country is better off tranquiil considering its blessings and merits, and ernestly striving to secure more of them, then it would be in nursing hostile bitterness about its deficiencies and faults"
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common then unsuccessful men of talent.Genius will not....the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "presss on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

Posted by: Eryk

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Originally posted by sidney
We have some of the best universities and hospitals might I add with some of the lowest child mortality rates in the world.

You don't actually. USA ranks 41st in the child mortality statistics making it pretty much the worst performer in the 'developed world'. Every European country with a proper socialised health care system outperforms the USA in this regard. The best performing country is Sweden with less that half the deaths per 1000 population of the USA.

Eryk

Posted by: Castlestormer

Aqua, don't think I'm blowing you off. I'm not. I am fully prepared to present facts to back up EVERY claim that I posted in this forum...EVERY ONE! But here's the problem:

"A man convinced against his will,
is of the same opinion still."

You and I have different attitudes and viewpoints about things. I see you as being angry, sceptical, and coming from a place of "my mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts". That's simply an opinion of mine based on how I interpret your words. And I may be completely wrong. I, on the other hand am a continual optimist to a fault. The glass is half full, and I always try to see the good in every situation and person. You say nobody wants to come to America. I see them floating here on makeshift rafts and being sealed in container cars. See what I mean about view points?

That being said, should I now start posting facts? No! This would only turn into what we here in Texas call a "pissing contest". If I can PROVE that there are now more schools and hospitals, will you change your views? I doubt it. If I can present you with MANY testimonies from ladies who were raped by Saddam's sons, will you love America more. I doubt it. So what good will it do?

Let's agree to disagree, OK? You think America is evil. I think it's the greatest country on earth. So we part friends.

But I leave you with a thought since you are a fact finder: How much has England spent on that war, and how much of the cost was bombs? Were ANY of the explosions over there English bombs? Everyone has a mote in their eye. America may be influencing the world now, but nobody except Rome has extended more imperial power, influence, and control over the entire world than England. Nobody! Just ask the folks in India. Excuse me, I need to go and buy some fireworks now to celebrate our freedom from tyranny.

Posted by: searcher

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Originally posted by aqua
My choice would be democracy. However these day American system doesn�t qualify as democracy either by technical definition or by how it works in reality. Political analysts had to come up with the new term for it because it is something that we see for the first time in the history of the world. In political science American form of government is called corporate dictatorship.

No, no, no.... it seems even political science experts seems to forget.

The United States was NEVER a true democracy. It has always been a REPUBLIC.

In a true democracy every individual vote would be counted. This does not apply here, we have an electorial college.

Often people forget this fact and it has been this way as long as the United States has existed.

There is no need to reinvent a term which already exist and it has never been a secret about the workings of the government.

It is a matter of people understanding the system and working with it.

Posted by: searcher

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Originally posted by aqua

Okay, guys, I really need to leave this thread. In fear of being accused of deep pessimism, and other gloom and doom, I�m going to engage in something more fun - a picnic with my family.

OK but can we do that in another thread

Posted by: rattlesnake6979

In the Uk many people demonstrated peacefully to say to Tony Blair that invading Iraq was only going to make matters worse.
But Tony Blair still went ahead with the invasion of Iraq and now as a consequence , we are far more likely to be the victims of a terrorist attack in London than before the invasion. The entire pretext of the invasion was based on a lie - the weapons of mass destruction argument and Tonly Blair argued in the House of Commons that they posed a real and definate threat to the UK . We now know that there are no weapons of mass destruction and in reality the only countries to possess these were the USA, UK , Pakistan , India , Israel , China, North Korea , and Russia . Saddam Hussein and his sons were put in power by the USA and was supplied with weapons by Russia as well as the UK .

I think that demonstrably it is better to live in a democracy but in England the majority of people protested against the invasion of Iraq but as the policy of invasion was never subject to a national vote , the people of England were excluded from all the democratic systems which would have prevented the invasion.
The UK and USA Governments know that in the middle east very few ( in fact virtually no country ) is democratic so it is a red herring to say that the role of the invasion was to install a democratic government - the whole process of the selection of candidates will be overseen by the usa and there will be little chance to object to a candidate. If the primary aim was to restore democracy , why did the uSA / Uk not invade Saudi Arabia , which has a human rights record as poor as a Iraq and has no democratic system? Saudi Arabia is governed by one familly and I doubt whether the UK or USA would invade Saudi Arabia because it controls the world's fuel and consequently the manufacturing processess and infrastructures which make western europe a modern society- without the fuel western europe would be in the dark ages again. It has been argued that the US will leave Iraq within the next 12 months - it is unlikely that US forces will be able to leave for at least 5 years or longer because the region has been made more unstable and the US as well as the UK has got itself into a quagmire. Russia invaded Afgahnistan and was humiliated by guerrilla forces who knew the mountains very well and could live in the harsh ennvironments - it is sad that my government has not seen that military offensives against religious zealots rarely brings the victory which was hoped for and I think that if the aim is to stabilise the region then a thorough understading of complex religious , historical and regional issues must be acquired by the the western powers.

Posted by: sidney

Am I missing something. It seems that all aquas posts have disappeared.
Sid

Posted by: Khashyar

She must have erased her posts (I didn't erase them)...

Khashyar

Posted by: Khashyar

Yes, Tasha emailed me and mentioned that she erased her posts...

I think that I am going to close this thread (and the other one about Michael Moore) because this topic appears to have been divisive, and is not related to our purpose here in this forum.

So, we have the points made here (and in the other thread) and will be able to look back on them, but... I am going to close these two threads because I think that there is nothing else positive that these threads can serve.

So, let's move on and continue our discussions about Russia and Russian-Western relationships...

Khashyar