Is a lady's Ph Number a Must?

Originally Posted by Moe123

Why should a man get a lady's ph number if she cannot speak English? It makes no sense, and she knows it makes no sense. You cannot very well tell her it is to make sure she's for real. So it is difficult, if the ph is not readily available, to push for it. What are the chances of a relationship working or not without ph contact? Surely it's not impossible for it to work without the voice at least early in the relationship.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

Cheburashka

Having a conversation on the phone is not a real relationship. It may seem a fraction more realistic than a letter but that's all.

Yes I asked the question but the guys here have not truthfully given me enough to go on. So I'm just not convinced that the phone means more than person to person reality. Or that it would lead to a better outcome when we meet. Communication is communication is communication. And you don't seem to have noticed what my arguments were to Freebirds "reasons". Or did you? Not sure.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

One more thing. Not showing off, but the girls I am usually involved with are so hot their lines would probably burn out before they could do anything about it. So the phone thing is much trickier than everybody on this website so far seems to suggest.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

Freebird

1) What you are saying about getting a woman's phone number showing me that she is more serious does not wash with me. You say it tells me that this girl is more likely to be serious. Well no, it does not tell me that. It could tell me that she is a push over, too easy to get, too available, or that she is not very special. That's also what she could be thinking.

Just because she gives out her number does not make her "easy to get", if the guy calls her and they meet, she will still reject him if she doesn't like him

2) The only "fat Yuri" I know lives in Melbourne and he runs a private College in Traditional Medicine.

There are FSU con-men who pretend to be women, write letters, and scam Western men for money. This is well documented. Even if you dont get scammed you don't want to waste time. {They also usually pretend to be & post pictures of "hot" girls, not ordinary ones}

3) The other reasons might be good for the pockets and business of the other people that could be involved but not necessarily good for me and the lady. No bad feelings towards Stirlitz and Lena intended.

To each his own. I would think that to spend $25 to have a Russian speaker call a girl and find out about her would be far cheaper than spending $1,000's to fly there only to find out that "she did not turn out to be what I was looking for"

4) Emergency situations are just that, and they can be handled in many different ways according to the circumstances.

??? Like how? If your only contact is an e-mail account that she checks on at the internet cafe once per week?

5) The plan B you mentioned does not work out to be in favour of the woman. It could give her all the more reason not to part so easily with her number.

On the contrary, it does. She will know that if she is not your "first choice" then you still might call & visit her if your "Plan A" does not work out.

{Which is EXACTLY how it worked out for me}

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

One more thing. Not showing off, but the girls I am usually involved with are so hot their lines would probably burn out.

Originally Posted by Moe123

Things did not work out between us because of other things, like she did not and vice versa.
Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

So I'm just not convinced

Originally Posted by Moe123

But there is something about having a woman's phone number which I have not mentioned so far. I got a woman's ph number but in the end she just kept avoiding me and hanging up on me. And finally in an email she said not to ph her any more.
But it shows the ph only proved that the dirty bloody ***** was more serious about quickly getting some money.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

But there is something about having a woman's phone number which I have not mentioned so far. I got a woman's ph number but in the end she just kept avoiding me and hanging up on me. And finally in an email she said not to ph her any more.
Here's what happened. This woman gave me her number practically without me even asking for it. I thought good this is quick and must be serious. She spoke good English. But most of the time during our conversations she kept saying she is poor and I am rich, I am lucky because I come from a rich country. I did not say to her that this country is not so lucky or as rich as people think, at least not like it used to be. But eventually I told her I had enormous debts, and that was the very last conversation I had with her. Even though I knew I should never talk about money, I thought well this time I will and let's see where it goes. Well that was the very last conversation I had with her. It seems to me she realized she's not going to get any money out of this guy so she ended it.
At one stage I was so fed up with her bringing up the idea that she is poor, and then when she said she needed me to help her I said all you are interested in is money. Her answer was no, but that is a part of it. So she was partly interested in the money.
I thought at least she is honest about that. I don't believe any girl at all who is looking for a foreign relationship is not interested at least partly in foreign money. Nomatter what anybody says, it IS a hidden agenda.
I know many people here could think well the phone had nothing to do with that. But it shows the ph only proved that the dirty bloody ***** was more serious about quickly getting some money.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

I don't believe any girl at all who is looking for a foreign relationship is not interested at least partly in foreign money. Nomatter what anybody says, it IS a hidden agenda.
I know many people here could think well the phone had nothing to do with that. But it shows the ph only proved that the dirty bloody ***** was more serious about quickly getting some money.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

By the same token a woman not giving her phone number does not indicate she is illegitimate or not serious. Of course I would not deny it would be a bonus. But I have met many women simply by continued letters, and through agencies. Things did not work out between us not because of lack of conversation, but because of other things, like she did not turn out to be what I was looking for and vice versa. Trying to force her to appear to be serious and legitimate by rushing the thing about a phone number is unrealistic.

Michael.

Originally Posted by Moe123

But there is something about having a woman's phone number which I have not mentioned so far. I got a woman's ph number but in the end she just kept avoiding me and hanging up on me. And finally in an email she said not to ph her any more.
Here's what happened. This woman gave me her number practically without me even asking for it. I thought good this is quick and must be serious. She spoke good English. But most of the time during our conversations she kept saying she is poor and I am rich, I am lucky because I come from a rich country. I did not say to her that this country is not so lucky or as rich as people think, at least not like it used to be. But eventually I told her I had enormous debts, and that was the very last conversation I had with her. Even though I knew I should never talk about money, I thought well this time I will and let's see where it goes. Well that was the very last conversation I had with her. It seems to me she realized she's not going to get any money out of this guy so she ended it.
At one stage I was so fed up with her bringing up the idea that she is poor, and then when she said she needed me to help her I said all you are interested in is money. Her answer was no, but that is a part of it. So she was partly interested in the money.
I thought at least she is honest about that. I don't believe any girl at all who is looking for a foreign relationship is not interested at least partly in foreign money. Nomatter what anybody says, it IS a hidden agenda.
I know many people here could think well the phone had nothing to do with that. But it shows the ph only proved that the dirty bloody ***** was more serious about quickly getting some money.

Michael.

Originally Posted by royalpalace774

My very 1st conversation with Ms Sumy was pretty bad even though we both started laughing together & not know what we were hearing from each other.

As the weeks went by she got better & better. I can't believe how much English she knows know. I am truly amazed. We don't have any problems now talking on the phone. It's not perfect but it is way better than the 1st time where we just laughed. Now I just talk very slow to her and she will reply back in English and say "I understand"

It's very nice. And the best part is when we laugh together. I love it!