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success story or otherwise? A man's story

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Posted by: ham

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/20/F..._abroad__.shtml

man marries mail-order-bride he met over the internet in 1995 and his 'success story' is celebrated in a news article may 20, 2002.

Quote:
"It was absolute chemistry," said Natalya, who was living in Blagoveshchensk, Russia.

Three months later, she traveled to the United States with her young son. Mathew and Natalya were married April 2, 1995.


year 2008:

the same man promotes a blog
http://www.citruscountybeacon.com/Home_Page.html
to share his horror story with other men:

Quote:
Not once in almost fourteen years did this woman ever say she was sorry for creating even the smallest problem, let alone any major ones. This woman could never admit that she made a mistake, that she could have done something, or for that matter, anything better, so as to improve and enhance our relationship. She was selfish to the nth degree, not just with money, but more importantly, with her time and her ability to love, respect and cherish what she had been given. She placed no value on my life and efforts. Our family suffered immensely and became subjugated to her poor management of time. She could never manage her time to take care of her responsibilities towards her husband and children. (She had one child, I had two and we had none, thank goodness! I did love her son and that love was returned with vitriol, which he learned from her.) She came first in everything, placing her family next and her poor husband in a dismal last place! She thought the relationship was just about her and never stopped for a moment to realize that our marriage was about US. She abused me, both emotionally and financially and, in the end, was characteristically brutal and uncaring. She never once stopped to realize the emotional and financial damage she inflicted on me. She humiliated me in front of our friends and customers, made a mockery and spectacle of our marriage and divorce!
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Posted by: GoingToRussia

I don't see the big deal. There are many "messy" divorces every year in every country not just with foreign brides.

My American cousin married an American woman. He gave her everything, a child, all his money/investments, and his retirement money to start a business. When his money was gone ... so was she.

It doesn't matter where or who you marry, marriage is something that works or doesn't work and some people just use the other and then leaves. It happens every day in every country. Nothing earth shattering about this news.



Posted by: Texas Proud

Well....

I guess things don't change..... Ham is still the bitter man with nothing good to say... this is like a flashback....



Posted by: ham

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
Well....

I guess things don't change..... Ham is still the bitter man with nothing good to say... this is like a flashback....



hey! This is supposed to be a nice place where people discuss facts or things, not innuendo about personalities of anonymous internet posters, remember?
This is the 'nice' reply trying to offer a fig leaf or whatever peace tree it is.
You can comment on the news article or fact, but cast aside popcorn explanations about personality flaws...remember to mind the plank in your own eye instead of the splinter in your brother's.



Posted by: Chillidog

Divorce in America is close to or over 50%, and on second marriages the percentage of divorce is even higher.

What makes this article or news anything special???

OH, I forgot it is an "International Marriage"!

It is Sensationalizim and that is what sells!!!

Really Ham, "who cares?" did some higher authority proclaim that all International Marriages will be "to death do us part?"


keep trying to rain on peoples parades, we all have umbrellas



Posted by: Texas Proud

Ham....

I don't plan on 'debating' you... I will just ask a question... and you show me...

Start a thread and post 10 POSITIVE comments you have made in the past about someone meeting, getting married, having a great life etc. with a Russian lady... I will wait...

If you can not come up with 10.... then I stand by my last comment... If you give some other comment about we are all here to do whatever, I stand by my last comment....

I have been here a long time and can not remember a single positive comment from you... not one... yes, you do have some valid comments about how horrible this process can be and how people have to be careful etc..... but if that is all you have to contribute.... well.....



Posted by: goforit

This looks like a non-starter to me. First, I'm always leary of stories that disparage another person's character without hearing the other side. Who knows what the guy is really like and in what way he contributed to the situation.

Second, if I paid attention to divorce statistics, domestic, foreign or otherwise, I simply wouldn't get married, period. It wouldn't matter one whit whether she was my next door neighbor or from the heart of Africa.

Third, his story is legion, both at home and abroad, among "international" marriages and domestic lovefests. Because of that, at best, assuming he is giving the whole story, it offers a warning as to picking a marriage partner in general, not as a warning against marrying internationally.



Posted by: matt235

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
This looks like a non-starter to me. First, I'm always leary of stories that disparage another person's character without hearing the other side. Who knows what the guy is really like and in what way he contributed to the situation.


This is indeed a very good point. I heard many years ago (during my divorce) that there are always 3 sides to every argument and divorce. There is "Her story", "His story", and "The real story". I have been using this phrase ever since.

Until you know both the her story and his story, you will not be able to make a decision as to what may or may not have really happened. I guess there should be a 4 side to the story added..."what everyone else thinks".

Bottom line is:
--guy and gal got married
--they lived together for a while
--guy or gal or both got mad
--guy and gal got a divorce
--guy is complaining here in the states
--gal is complaining in the FSU.
**End of story



Posted by: ham

Frankly I have no obligation to answer loaded questions, especially from (removed by a moderator).
Most people scream for information, but aren't happy when information is provided.
Of course, who knows...his side, her side, the truth, whatever...you will never know no matter what you might be reading, so why bother asking for information? Every source may be rigged or have a vested interest, including positive ones .
Another one is that girls fall in & out of love all the time and that's natural.
Sure...girl falls out of love & leaves. Taking poor Barney to the cleaners with fake charges is always a bit suspicious .
Nothing is guaranteed in matters of feelings, but dating dealers do claim to be able to control an otherwise rowdy game, at least to a telling extent.
If I (had) thought in the beginning the FSU was just like the next pub scene here, I wouldn't have bothered...I was told something and had to learn to part wheat from chaff .

Information (coming from me, anyways ) is to the benefit of unsuspecting lurkers and undecided people, not hardcore partisans of a choice .
Ever argued with a smoker/drinker over smoke or alcohol?
I never do; whatever makes them happy.
How many times do people complain 'I wish I had known this'...?

There are few people who love to love to delve into popcorn hypotheses about my personality -with honchos turning blind eyes to their systematic criticism of one individual- basically because I disagreed with them one, two or three years ago, and do so to 'make me pay' or something.

Look, here is a news article; if you don't like it, complain to the the publisher.
I suggest keeping your energies and stamina for when you will need them most...because you will...and I'm afraid it won't be so easy as blasting an anonymous poster called Ham online.





Posted by: searcher

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
Frankly I have no obligation to answer loaded questions, especially from people who ought to buy a mirror some day.


REFRAIN from personal attacks!

You have this posted in TWO threads!



Posted by: ham

Quote:
Originally Posted by searcher
REFRAIN from personal attacks!

You have this posted in TWO threads!


when i sent you PMs about posts that targeted me, you weren't so expedite...



Posted by: Pin Boy

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
their systematic criticism of one individual- basically because I disagreed with them one, two or three years ago, and do so to 'make me pay' or something.


who are you talking about and what are you talking about??? i find that sentence so revealing as to why you come back here and post the same kind of stuff over and over and over and over. please, whatever is bothering you from a few years back on this forum, let it go.

pb



Posted by: inlove

Interesting story. It seems like a disgrunted husband wanted to share his pain with the world, which is understandable under the circumstances.
I do think that Pre-nups should be signed before 2 people tie a knot, but you have to realize that after such a lengthy marriage in the majority of cases a prenup will have a little effect on the division of marital assets. Whatever was aquired in marriage most likely will be divided 50/50. It seems that they owned and operated a business together. No wonder she wanted her share in divorce.



Posted by: freebird

Quote:
Originally Posted by inlove
Interesting story. It seems like a disgrunted husband wanted to share his pain with the world...


Russian "Black Widow Spiders" - American men "emotionally raped"?

Yes it sure sounds like he has some baggage....



Posted by: Texas Proud

I find it interesting that this is the horrible side of this endeavor ....

They were together for 14 YEARS!!!.. Sounds to me like they grew apart like many couples do... nothing to do with her being Russian or how they met...

Sorry, don't see this as anything being a horror story about 'mail order brides'....



Posted by: searcher

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
when i sent you PMs about posts that targeted me, you weren't so expedite...


Yes I was and I spoke to those members.

I try to respond to the emails I receive but I don't live on this forum and have many, many other things to do.

I have even considered resigning from this forum and all of the other Russian forums.

I'm trying to hang around but sometimes I am just plain tired.

We are all ADULTS here and it shouldn't be necessary to monitor everyone like they are little children. There are more important things in life and there are better things to do with ones time.

I have other matters to attend to, personal projects, etc and can not and WILL NOT babysit adults!



Posted by: searcher

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
Well....

I guess things don't change..... Ham is still the bitter man with nothing good to say... this is like a flashback....


Be nice!



Posted by: clark

Quote:
Originally Posted by inlove
Interesting story. It seems like a disgrunted husband wanted to share his pain with the world, which is understandable under the circumstances.
I do think that Pre-nups should be signed before 2 people tie a knot, but you have to realize that after such a lengthy marriage in the majority of cases a prenup will have a little effect on the division of marital assets. Whatever was aquired in marriage most likely will be divided 50/50. It seems that they owned and operated a business together. No wonder she wanted her share in divorce.



He strikes me very bitter with possible cause but I am also sensing another angle. His story is the only one on his website that I could access. The only other links is his professional PR "dog and pony show" as a pre-cursor to selling something and the way to contact him. Which begs the question, is this guy out to actually help people or profit from his own misery? What is it exactly he can do to help others avoid problems he had? Pre-nups and advice or financial planning for those in international marriages? I'm a subscriber to the adage that there is his story, her story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. I would like to know more but, nothing more is offered. Not because I feel like I need it but because it is possibly another story that needs to be told. FWIW



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