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Posted by: OzGuyLooking

I feel the time has come to clear the air a little because lately I personally have been getting quite a few snide remarks from people who don't have a clue about me but think they do. So I figure I'll clear the air here and now.

Snide remark 1: Take a chill pill and don't let your temper go cause you'll do yourself harm (there are many variants of this but this is the latest one).

Comment: Yeah I get into heated debates, so what? When you are confronted with people who stick to their own personal biases and won't even consider that other people have a different POV that is worth while you have 2 options, you either let them keep thinking what they think or you put forward your own POV for discussion. When they still think they know everything you have two more, you keep trying to discuss it or you give up and let them think they have won.

When you have ethnocentric remarks slamming everyone in an entire country just because of a few then you need to consider that your own country is up for ridicule and you yourself if you espouse ethnocentric crap.

Snide remark two: His posts aren't worth anything cause he's never been to Russia.

Comment: I grew up with and went to school with Russian people. I have Russian friends who live in Australia. I have Russian friends who live in Russia. I know a damm sight more about Russia and Russians than most of you think or know that I know. I know a lot about Britain and I have never been there either. Just because you may or may not have been there doesn't mean you know more than anyone else.

I have seen some of you guys who claim you know alot about the FSU argue with people who have lived there and/or grew up there. I have seen some of you make comments about Russians that have been easily refuted by these same people yet you still believe that you know best. How many Russians/people who have lived there for a decent length of time are members of this forum and post regularly? I don't really know but I don't think there are many who joined the forum of there own accord and not because their wife or husband isn't a member. How many have been here but left possibly due to frustration from dealing with so called experts who refute nearly everything they say?

Snide remark three: Just put him/them on your ignore list that's what I did.

Comment: Lol this is a funny one, if I'm on your ignore list then how do you know what I've said to tell people to do that? Maybe even though I am you are still reading my comments. Let me tell you something, if I could I would have most mods on my ignore list. Why? simply because they aren't doing the mod thing. If they were the RMP wouldn't be in such a state. I apologise now to the few mods who have tried but given up in frustration and/or left or stopped posting, this comment isn't for you.

Snide remark four: Who would want to be with someone like you?

Comment: Someone special is the simple answer. The long one is someone who knows me and understands that there are certain things about me that other people, who don't have a clue, think make me "different" and not worth being with

If you don't know much about me (I mean from what I have given out already not from your own personal biases) then read a thread that me and a guy called RBS were apart of.

I'll add a bit more here, and this is partly why I haven't been over there yet. 6 years ago my father got the flu, he was sick as a dog and complications set in. He developed Pulminary Fibrosis, Rhumatoid Arthritis, and Osteo Arthritis. At the time of diagnosis the lung specialist told him he had 5 years to live. This floored him, my family and me. I have been watching my father slowly choke to death for nearly 6 years knowing what he was dying because of. Late last year dad developed a thing called a shatzy (sp?) ring, its like a cobweb that grows over a hernia, in his left lung. We only found out about it cause we thought he was having a heart attack nearly every meal and he is kind of stubborn and it took ages for him to get it checked and diagnosed. Any he went to hospital and had it removed, I didn't think he would survive but he did. This year he has been back in hospital twice the last time the doctors told him if he didn't come in he would have been dead within two days due to complete renal failure. When he was in hospital they checked his medications and took him of 13 of them, he was on 18 different medicines 4 times a day.

I don't know about everyone else here but I take my family situation very seriously. I will take care of them before I look after my own happiness. If you wouldn't then that's fine by me I would understand and wish you all the best in your journey. The fact that some of you think you know everything about me and are so willing to get stuck into me just shows me that I don't want to deal to often with people like you.

Now more to why I haven't been over there yet. Well I haven't found anyone I feel has been worth visiting, or when I have they have turned out to be something other than what they portrayed themselves to be. I have told them all what is happening in my personal life and last year I had one lady come straight out and ask me for some money to help her do something, I honestly can't remember what it was. I told her that the money I had would go towards my trip to visit her and the rest was to help pay for my dad's medications. Well she just come out and said that it didn't matter about my dad anyway as he was dying so I should send her my money. Well I sent her a lovely email saying that I was no longer interested in communicating with her and that was it. It is not an easy task telling people what your life has been like and what you deal with everyday, you lot still know very little of it. It takes time to develop a friendship and to see if there is enough there for more than a friendship, I wouldn't even consider going over until I felt there was a chance of something more. So I searched and then stopped searching. I have been lucky to make some good friends, some even on here.

I am lucky to have finally found someone who seems to really understand what my life is like and what I am like. I don't expect anyone to take on my responsibilities and wouldn't ask anyone to share my life knowing what it is like. Having said that I have developed a brilliant friendship with a lady, and she understand what my life is like, and I am making plans to visit her and do some other things. She knows I have commitments at home and she is fine with them, she knows what I want to do and she is fine with that to.

So now I am going to ask for those of you who like to think just because you are hitched to an RW, or whatever you are married to you,you are better than others who aren't to take a step back and consider that others have a different life to you and maybe you should keep your superior comments to yourselves.

I realise I have opened myself up for a barrage of abuse and criticism by writing this up and to tell the truth I don't care anymore if any of you do start on me. I will just say if you do you need to be ready to cop it all back cause I won't take crap from people again.

Lastly, I may ask an Admin to remove this or I may edit this post to delete most of it if people comment here. If you do comment all I ask if it is to hurl personal abuse do the decent thing and put it in a PM so we can at least discuss things like adults.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

I feel the time has come to clear the air a little because lately I personally have been getting quite a few snide remarks from people who don't have a clue about me but think they do. So I figure I'll clear the air here and now.

Snide remark 1: Take a chill pill and don't let your temper go cause you'll do yourself harm (there are many variants of this but this is the latest one).

Comment: Yeah I get into heated debates, so what?

Nothing wrong with heated debates. Personally I think way too many people get all bent out of shape over stuff on the internet. {Unless you are giving bomb threats or something like that} Life ain't always a bowl of cherries

Snide remark two: His posts aren't worth anything cause he's never been to Russia.

Hmm... A rather ignorant remark for someone to make. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Snide remark three: Just put him/them on your ignore list that's what I did.

I never understood what an "ignore list" was for. Saving my fragile psyche from seeing something offensive? If you don't like someones post JUST IGNORE IT and don't reply.

Snide remark four: Who would want to be with someone like you?

Another rather rude remark
.

Don't sweat it OzGuy, as long as you are not making personal attacks on someone, shouldn't be a problem

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Thanks for your reply freebird, I'm not sweating it anymore.

Posted by: alfie

OGL - just be yourself. Look at Simon Cowell (you might know him in Aus/NZ).
He always speaks his mind & can be quite offensive at times, but people seem to love him. Anyway, we are all men here are'nt we ? not sensitive little boys.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by alfie

OGL - just be yourself. Look at Simon Cowell (you might know him in Aus/NZ).
He always speaks his mind & can be quite offensive at times, but people seem to love him. Anyway, we are all men here are'nt we ? not sensitive little boys.

Alfie, I have no idea who Simon Cowell is. Anyway I am going to be more myself now than I have been. I have never wanted to be offensive, I do admit some don't like to discuss certain things and take offence that I will, but I literally don't care anymore. I'll be point blank from now on, others seem to think they can be with me so I will be with them.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Oz,

Sorry to hear about your dad. It must be hell for the whole family. I'd make the same choice if I was you too. Enjoy him while you still can.

As for the rest, well, I've always been more reserved and try to get along with most folks (some you can't, I know) and a forum like this one only gives the words on the screen. We can't hear the voice tone or emotions behind the words. And I agree completely that we all have our own opinions and life experiences and any advise should be tendered with that in mind, ie; "if it were me..." or "this is what works for me, your mileage may vary." kind of statements. Sniping at each other just won't accomplish anything and may well scare off someone who could have become a very valuable member of RMP. And personal attacks have no place here and should be dealt with quickly to keep RMP the best forum on Al Gore's Worldly Wild Web.

When I first posted about Irina, I/O and a couple others jumped in with the scammer advise. I told them to backoff and they did and I hope they still like me, cause their advise was good and I'm glad they're concerned enough to say something.

We're all in different stages in our search for a RW and in life too and we all should remember that when we offer advise and let the recipient decide what advise to take without getting upset about it.

Anyway, I rambled on WAY too long. I hope your Dad is having a good day today.

I now return the soapbox to the middle of the room.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Buckeye.

Thanks for your post, I appreciate it.
My point of posting this is to get certain people to BACK OFF the superiority thing with me, and with others in general. I am literally sick to death of people making out they are better than everyone else cause they have done something. Its a bollocks attitude to have and it does nothing but p1$$ people off. Well I am at the p'd off stage and have posted this to get the people who make these stupid statements to stop the superior attitude.

They are NO better than anyone else here yet when they post there crap about the worth of others they are making themselves out to be.

This site needs an admin or a mod who is willing to pull it back into line and to stop the pathetic tit for tat crap that has gripped it for way to long.

So how about it Admin or Mods? I know there are some good people in mod and admin land and you would have the majority support, all anyone wants is a cleaner, friendlier RMP so we can discuss things without the fear of others launching attacks at individuals.

Posted by: Texas Proud

Hmmm.... really don't know you but some of what you say smacks of sour grapes...

#1... Since I don't know where this comes from.... but I will 'debate' you...

How can you say someone is biased or their OPINION is wrong... maybe it is you... I don't know... I don't care... but it sounds like you take some comments personally which is not good... when I first started to write on some forums, I was the same... guess what.. I now ignore them... I don't have to 'prove' I am right... you should do the same...

#2... If that is said.. then it is wrong... the only difference between someone who hasn't been over there and someone who has is maybe a few weeks or months of 'vacation'... when I was there, I was NOT living as a 'native' with all the problems that someone there has... even the time I was staying with my lady... we were doing things that were not 'normal'... and a lot of people THINK they know what it is like from what they hear from others... probably wrong...

#3... Most people do not put you on their ignore even if they say they do... they just 'ignore' your posts most of the time... even if they did put you on their list... if someone quotes you... they can see your posts.

#4... stupid statement.... there is usually someone who will put up with you even if you are a jerk (not saying you are or aren't... don't know you)...

Other comments....

Sorry to hear about your father... hope he gets better... but from you write I do not think it is in the cards... sorry...

About mods.... they were horrible awhile back when I left... don't know if they are the same or not... can't say anything except that if they are still making bad decision... I can easily leave again... but if they are just trying to change what you say and how you say it in a 'heated' debate... that is their job... there are a few people who are very insulting to others... and they think they have a right to be insulting... and then when someone insults them back they get their panties in a knot... and yell much louder... IF this is happening to you.. then I will do what was said in your #1... take a chill pill.. it is ONLY a forum... nobody is coming into your house and beating the heck out of you...

If you are meeting women who are demanding money.... then you met a bad one... move on... this takes some time (at least for most people)... but IMO if you want to have a LONG term relationship, you have to take time to learn about the person and not rush into a marriage as some seem to do... and then they are surprised when something goes wrong and they split up... (READ>>> my opinion... I don't need comments about how "you" (not OP) went over for a week and got married to a woman who is half you age and how in love both of you are...)...

Good luck going forward...

Posted by: zaniac

Hi OGL,

Sorry to hear about your father, it can't be easy. I think it speaks alot about people when they are putting others first before themselves. I can only hope your father's condition can improve.

As others have commented, don't worry about putting across your POV. Say things as you see it, it's what subject threads are for - discussion. If people try to flame you for it and make it personal, then it's really not worth taking the bait. Simply report it to a mod, if you don't see it being picked up on by the guys who look after these forums.

Posted by: JamesB

I would just gnore it mate, i got tons with some guys regarding liuda but end ofthe day nobody on here really knows each other.just ignore it and lt little people feel big.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

Hmmm.... really don't know you but some of what you say smacks of sour grapes...

TP I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it though. If I had sour grapes I would have left this forum and gone to another one, there are many you know. Instead I am trying to point out some short comings of the current state of the RMP.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by zaniac

Hi OGL,

Sorry to hear about your father, it can't be easy. I think it speaks alot about people when they are putting others first before themselves. I can only hope your father's condition can improve.

As others have commented, don't worry about putting across your POV. Say things as you see it, it's what subject threads are for - discussion. If people try to flame you for it and make it personal, then it's really not worth taking the bait. Simply report it to a mod, if you don't see it being picked up on by the guys who look after these forums.

Zaniac, thanks mate.

I would report it to a mod but it is mods who are doing half of it, so I have reported it to admin and am waiting for a reply.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by JamesB

I would just gnore it mate, i got tons with some guys regarding liuda but end ofthe day nobody on here really knows each other.just ignore it and lt little people feel big.

James, thanks.

That was Water wasn't it? What he was doing wasn't funny.

My issue right now is not just that this crap is happening it is who its coming from and that absolutely nothing can be done about it because most of it is from mods. Admin needs to step in and take over this place again.

I think Khashyar put in the mod guidelines that mods should lead by example. Well what type of example is this? Not a good one I don't think.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

I want to say that I am not looking for sympathy. I do thank the people who have posted and PMed with good wishes, but that's not the point of this and I don't want that to be what this turns into.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

OzGuy, when you say don't make remarks about people you don't know ... then you turn around and say my fiancee has a problem and call me paranoid ... what am I suppose to do ... ignore it??? I don't think so.

I'm asking you to take your own advise and not say anything and to mind your own business.

You can't "save face" or point fingers because you're just as guilty as anyone else.

I believe the "Ignore" comment was given as an option ... not a demand to do it or saying this member has you on ignore. You are trying to make a big deal about nothing.

The air is not clear and it smells worse because of this thread and you are right Texas ... it's sour grapes.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

OzGuy, when you say don't make remarks about people you don't know ... then you turn aaround and says my fiancee has a problem and call me papranoid ... what am I suppose to do ... ignore it??? I don't think so.

Put it in context GTR. You publicly commented on someone who does not post here and has never had her thoughts about certain groups posted here. You therefor commented on someone who did not deserve what you said because you do not know them. I asked you to take our issue with Deccie to PM's. You both had a long standing issue that needed resolving somehow.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Yes I would like to solve the problem but as long as deccie, and now apparently you, attack my posts or wish me ill will, I will reply in the same manner!

now this is not correct, I PMed you to suggest you and Deccie argue via PM as per Khashyars instructions in the guidelines.
as for attacking your gf well.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Yes very true I/O, Romanians and Moldovans usually don't like each other. My fiancee calls them gypsies and doesn't like them because they stole some of her products she made and was selling at a market. She hates going to Romania and doesn't trust the people.

If this isn't racism then what is. She called an entire country Gypsys. I pointed out the weren't and this was incorrect and was the lowest depths of ethnocentrism. YOU and your gf attacked an entire country what are they to do about it? sit back and let misinformed people say they are thieves. double standard GTR really.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I'm asking you to take your own advise and not say anything and to mind your own business.

I'm telling you, not asking and PinBoy as well, to get of the superior attitude with people. You, GTR, are no better than anyone else yet you make out you are.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

The air is not clear and it smells worse because of this thread and you are right Texas ... it's sour grapes.

It's you with the sour grapes GTR. Khashyars guidelines are specific, if you have a problem take it to PM's. You had a problem yet you wouldn't take it to PMs and your a mod who is supposed to uphold what Khashyar wants. You then brought a pvt matter between me and you into public space, thereby disregarding Khashyar's guidelines again, because you have done so will I.

If the air stinks because of your behaviour GTR. I have called for admin to adjudicate.

Posted by: I/O

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

When I first posted about Irina, I/O and a couple others jumped in with the scammer advise. I told them to backoff and they did and I hope they still like me, cause their advise was good and I'm glad they're concerned enough to say something.

Buck: Some get it and some don't. You got it. From the bit I have read of your posts, you seem to be a fairly easygoing character, a trait that will serve you well if you are to make it any distance with a Russian Woman.

I/O

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

You can't "save face" or point fingers because you're just as guilty as anyone else.

I am not trying to save face what I did was to stop you and your superior commentary on peoples worth. I am glad you have admitted guilt GTR that is all I needed.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I believe the "Ignore" comment was given as an option ... not a demand to do it or saying this member has you on ignore. You are trying to make a big deal about nothing.

The ignore comment is ok once, but to keep seeing it being said by someone who obviously can't ignore me is a sign of a deeper problem.

GTR stop now ok cause you are doing your cause more harm than good. I have ample evidence for admin and will pass it on to them when the time comes.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

This is webster's definition iof gypsy:

Gypsy Adjective
1. Of or relating to the Gypsies or their language or culture; "Romani nomads"; "Romany folk songs"; "a Gypsy fortune-teller".

Noun
1. A member of a nomadic people originating in northern India and now living on all continents.

2. The Indic language of the Gypsies.

Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright � 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.

"Gypsy" is a name that signifies or is derived from: "a gypsy".

Date "Gypsy" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1595. (references)

Etymology: Gypsy \Gyp"sy\, noun; plural Gypsies. [Old English Gypcyan, French gyptien Egyptian, gypsy, Latin Aegyptius. See Egyptian.]. (references)

There is nothing dirogatory or rascist about the word. I see you continue to make remarks about people that aren't members and you don't know.

I know of many people who have left this forum because of your posts and I'm sure they would come back and say it is true. I think you are the one feeling superior here and it has driven many members away.

I will soon be enjoying my new life soon and will not have time for this forum as I did in the past. So you will not have to deal with me or my opinions but I'm sure you will continue to "bad mouth" me as you have the members you drove away.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

This is webster's definition iof gypsy:

Gypsy Adjective
1. Of or relating to the Gypsies or their language or culture; "Romani nomads"; "Romany folk songs"; "a Gypsy fortune-teller".

Noun
1. A member of a nomadic people originating in northern India and now living on all continents.

2. The Indic language of the Gypsies.

Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright � 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.

"Gypsy" is a name that signifies or is derived from: "a gypsy".

Date "Gypsy" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1595. (references)

Etymology: Gypsy \Gyp"sy\, noun; plural Gypsies. [Old English Gypcyan, French gyptien Egyptian, gypsy, Latin Aegyptius. See Egyptian.]. (references)

There is nothing dirogatory or rascist about the word. I see you continue to make remarks about people that aren't members and you don't know.

I know of many people who have left this forum because of your posts and I'm sure they would come back and say it is true. I think you are the one feeling superior here and it has driven many members away.

I will soon be enjoying my new life soon and will not have time for this forum as I did in the past. So you will not have to deal with me or my opinions but I'm sure you will continue to "bad mouth" me as you have the members you drove away.

I know what a gypsy is GTR, the dorogatory statement was saying

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

My fiancee calls them gypsies and doesn't like them because they stole some of her products she made and was selling at a market. She hates going to Romania and doesn't trust the people.

Where in this comment does you or you gf say that SOME gyspies stole good from here market? it doesn't all you, she, says is that she calls romanians gypsies and she doesn't like them cause they steal. There is NO seperation here at all of any one or few people from an entire populations is there, NO none at all. She hates going to Romania and doesn't trust an entire nation cause they steal things from her. wow and this isn't a problem in your mind?

I wont bad mouth you when your gone GTR, again that's just paranoia, truly you are not worth the energy when you aren't here to deal with. I am only doing this now cause you are here and acting all superior, and brought up pvt communications in a public forum. If you hadn't betrayed that privavcy I wouldn't have started this process. If you stop I'll quit. BTW I sincerely hope you enjoy your new life. There is ample opportunity here to make further comment about this part of your life but I wont cause I don't believe in dragging up peoples previous misfortunes.

As for people coming back if I leave they can come back now. If you are reffering to Bob and Mark then I will NOT be blamed for their leaving, I was not here for 3 months, you now know why, and come back on the day they left. If you want to associate with them thats fine BBQ but if you blame me for their leaving then you have just proved something I have long suspected. BTW they could have come back when I wasn't here for 3 months previously if they were so happy to be here when I wasn't. One last thing regarding this matter, I have read comments by those you speak of, comments have also come back here via another member who lives in Alaska. Don't you think that if they were interested in keeping the peace then they would stop. I have never called Bob or Mark anything such as a moron yet I KNOW for a fact Bob has done this to me and Deccie in another forum.

How many people have you driven away? what about InLove? you didn't take to kindly to her commenting on your modatorial behaviour. Why aren't the other mods here defending you or telling me to back off? is it because the mods group isn't working because it is so divided it isn't funny? You have had ample opportunity to help pull the RMP back to what it was before, but you haven't done a thing.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

You're speaking in riddles and not making much sense. I think you need some sleep. Dobre Noche

Posted by: Pin Boy

can we stop now with this unproductive back and forth???

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes I can but I'm sure Oz can't. Good night all! Pleasent dreams.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

You're speaking in riddles and not making much sense. I think you need some sleep. Dobre Noche

So your not going to stop then. Ok GTR you have made your choice.

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

can we stop now with this unproductive back and forth???

PB, I'll stop when certain people, like yourself, start behaving like mods and start doing the right thing. I didn't appreciate the personal insult you levelled at me and now you want things to stop. There is an easy way to stop this and I have said what it is.

btw if you hadn't blocked me i would have PMed you about it. To late now.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Yes I can but I'm sure Oz can't. Good night all! Pleasent dreams.

If you can then NEVER make comment to me or about me again. Then I will leave you alone.

Posted by: I/O

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

If this isn't racism then what is. She called an entire country Gypsys.

The implication of the above is that a Gypsy is less desirable, now who's being racist? The original comment didn't appear racist to me, it was simply a realistic remark on how one Moldovan sees things in another country, BTW many, (Not all) Moldovans I have met say much the same. Right or wrong is not important, the fact is there is some bad blood between the two groups which appears to go back a long way and it was in the context of bringing that to light the original comment was made.

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YOU and your gf attacked an entire country

Nobody attacked anyone, it was a comment on how some people see things. Certainly not as bad as 3 different Romanians saying to me that you would be crazy travelling into Moldova because it is full of dangerous criminals and all the women are desperate sluts.

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what are they to do about it?

They, as yet have not done anything here on this forum, you have jumped to their defence. White Knight stuff really.

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sit back and let misinformed people say they are thieves.

They can demonstrate otherwise. Not more, not less

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I'm telling you, not asking and PinBoy as well, to get of the superior attitude with people.

What gives you the right to tell others what they can and can't do? You've tried to "Tell" a few different people in a few different ways at a few different times what they should and shouldn't do with regard to posting on here. You're bashing your head against a brick wall if you think you can "tell" people how or what they should post. Who was it said something along the lines of it being foolish to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

I/O

Posted by: Pin Boy

how did I get into this???? i really can't stop laughing!!! oh brother!

Posted by: Spakoyna

This thread reeks of 1 thing! Hypocracy.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

how did I get into this???? i really can't stop laughing!!! oh brother!

simple really, with a stupid off the cuff remark like this. We were talking about gun laws and beating people up, you condone it I don't. you then went and made this remark

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

who need people like you in their lives???

You then blocked me but have apparently unblocked me or are still taking note of what I say.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by I/O

The implication was made in the original comment that Romanians are gypsies and gypsies steal and cant be trusted. You can twist whatever you like I/O how ever you like the truth is there is a deeper problem and its not with me and Romanians but with GTR's gf and possibly he himself and Romanians cause he posted the crap.

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Originally Posted by I/O

it was a comment designed to put one countries people in a bad light. Call it what you will but not liking someone from another country because you think theya re all something when infact they are not and saying you don't like an entire country cause some have stolen fro you, when it wasn't that group anyway, is an issue that when all is said and done is racism.

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Originally Posted by I/O

They, as yet have not done anything here on this forum, you have jumped to their defence. White Knight stuff really.

I put forth GTRs comment about being able to react to negative comments, he thinks he has a right to reply when it happens to him in public, yet you seem to think others cannot or cannot have someone reply on their behalf. White knight? I don't think so we live in the modern world, the last white knight I saw was my fathers 1973 Charger.

They can demonstrate otherwise. Not more, not less

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Originally Posted by I/O

I asked you to leave me out of your games. You then wanted a tit for tat PM game. and you are now doing it here. I have been told by various people to do or not to do thing., so I expect the same right in return. If you have a problem with my right to ask people like you to leave me out of your games of superiority then you have the problem. It is good manners really to consider that some may not want to take part in your games and not to drag them into it. You invited yourself into this one not me.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

This thread reeks of 1 thing! Hypocracy.

Spak, I can understand what you think, your opinion is your opinion, I am entitled to mine and to ask people to get off certain things. When stuff become personal, as it has been with me since I have been back, it gets nasty. I simply want the personal stuff to be left out of things. To do that I have answered some questions that have been thrown at me since I have been back way to often, so the people who ask have their answers and can stop with everything bar the meaningful discussion about Russia. I don't know about you but I don't think that's to much to ask.

Posted by: I/O

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

it was a comment designed to put one countries people in a bad light.

You may well know what is inside another poster's head much better than I, however I fail to see where there was "Intention" to place someone else in a bad light. It was a response to my comment on the issue which some Moldovans have with some Romanians.

I think you are looking for far too many spiders under far too many rocks. What was posted (In the context of the above) was an accurate reflection of how some of the locals see things. Romania and Moldova contain some of the very nicest people you will meet anywhere, but by the same token they also contain some of the most vile people you will meet. Kinda like this place when you think about it really.

I/O

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by I/O

What was posted (In the context of the above) was an accurate reflection of how some of the locals see things.

And my reply was an accurate reflection of the fct that an entire country was branded as something they are not.

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Originally Posted by I/O

Romania and Moldova contain some of the very nicest people you will meet anywhere, but by the same token they also contain some of the most vile people you will meet. Kinda like this place when you think about it really.

I think we agree on this but not to the same degree, what I would call vile is someone who calls some one else something through analogy say a paedophile, or directly in conversation say accusing someone of being a something they are not.

My thoughts here are that we have mods who are not upholding what Khashyar has asked them to do. Now this is either because there is a problem within the modatorial team and they are not working together, or it is because some are taking liberties that they should not but are simply because there is no one else to make sure the checks and balances are adhered to (this being admin). It may, and I think this is more likely the case, that both are reality.

Posted by: Spakoyna

Is this thread not stoaking the coals so to speak? I honestly feel for you with the pain you are going through at this point in your life. On the otherhand I can see how this is making you a bit sensitive and dragging things out a bit to long. I have been in a few confrontations with a few of you guys...better to let them drop and stay cordial IMO! Hope you have a bit of peace in your life soon.

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Is this thread not stoaking the coals so to speak? I honestly feel for you with the pain you are going through at this point in your life. On the otherhand I can see how this is making you a bit sensitive and dragging things out a bit to long. I have been in a few confrontations with a few of you guys...better to let them drop and stay cordial IMO! Hope you have a bit of peace in your life soon.

Spakoyna, thanks for your well wishes. This has nothing to do with my home situation apart from the fact it is one part of why I haven't been to Russia. We have all been in a few confrontations, and without making to fine a point on it, the majority are when the discussion leads to what people believe of certain things. I believe respect goes along way yet there is a complete lack of it from above. We have people who take it for granted that they can say or do something without someone replying back. I'll take all the negative comments thrown at me but not for something people have no idea about other peoples situations. I reserve the right to "clear the air" to answer certain things that have been thrown up at me often, I respect everyone right to reply. What I wont take anymore is venomous attacks from people who wont listen to a different POV and think that theirs is gospel truth.

It is obvious some people have a problem with this being brought to light and it is obvious that some people don't want the RMP to be a better place, instead they lay blame for everything on others. I'll take my blame when it comes my way, I wonder if some others will take theirs.

Posted by: Jerico

Well Oz,
heh, I have gotten in heated debates with you and Deccie but I hope you are not talking about me here.
I dont recall ever calling you any names or such.
I just dont agree with your thinking as you with me.Thats OK

However, seeing that many forum members here are from America, we kind of get sick and tired of hearing how bad our country is from a guy who doesn`t live here yet thinks he knows whats best for us. That is all I am saying.
America does more good than bad in the world.

All countrys have commited horrible crimes in thier past. This is life. Even Australia has its problems ,I am sure.
Lets not forget England or Russia. There all guilty but life goes on.
Jerry

Posted by: Spakoyna

I used to be involved in a forum related to my business. I participated for 4 or 5 years. There were a couple a folks that I rubbed and they rubbed me the wrong way. I meet 1 a the guys pretty much at the end of the time I was posting. No problems! We got along great!

This January I meet the guy that seemed to have a vendetta against me! He actually asked a friend of mine if he should talk to me! Well.. he did and we did business together and had no hard feelings!

Time to let the old dogs lie and start anew!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Actually Jerry I wasn't thinking of you at all, I know we have had heated debates, I know we will never agree on some things and that's fine and not a problem at all. I can understand Americans getting p'd off when people bag their country and their way of life but I also know not all Americans think the same and everytime we have had such discussions here there have been Americans agree with the other side (non Americans). I have never claimed I know what's best for you, although there have been Americans on this forum say that other countries would be better off if we were more like you in certain things.

Anyway that is not the point of this thread. The point is the incredible lack of individual respect shown by certain members of this forum and some of those members are those who are supposed to be leading by example. When they cop their crap back they whinge about it. I have brought it out into the open because someone posted personal communications between me and him to have a go at me when Khashyars guidelines clearly state that if there is a problem between members they should keep it in PMs.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I used to be involved in a forum related to my business. I participated for 4 or 5 years. There were a couple a folks that I rubbed and they rubbed me the wrong way. I meet 1 a the guys pretty much at the end of the time I was posting. No problems! We got along great!

This January I meet the guy that seemed to have a vendetta against me! He actually asked a friend of mine if he should talk to me! Well.. he did and we did business together and had no hard feelings!

Time to let the old dogs lie and start anew!

Good example. Lets put it this way, I did the PM path and look what happened, my PM got onto public space. I don't think someone wants to let dogs lie. I'll see what tomorrow brings.

Posted by: Spakoyna

Someone has to start! So who's the better man?

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Good example. Lets put it this way, I did the PM path and look what happened, my PM got onto public space. I don't think someone wants to let dogs lie. I'll see what tomorrow brings.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Someone has to start! So who's the better man?

Hmmmm, lol, Been there done that. Like I said I'll see what tomorrow brings. So I'll politely take my leave and see what happens from here. I realise there's a heap some people might want to reply to so I'll leave it now and see what happens.

Posted by: Texas Proud

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Not quite sure.... do you disagree with me saying 'sour grapes' (which by the way I did not even remember saying... but it is there)...

OR the point by point comments I made... you were not clear on what you 'disagree'...

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I know of many people who have left this forum because of your posts and I'm sure they would come back and say it is true. I think you are the one feeling superior here and it has driven many members away.

Interesting you say that GTR, since I have received quite a few pm's over the years from MODS saying they have been equally unhappy with the direction and tone of RMP. One thing that was pointed out by a Mod to me very early on in my time here at RMP was expecting even the Moderators to agree on things was "a post too far". So it seems you are equally doing you "bit" here at RMP to force members and mods away.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I will soon be enjoying my new life soon and will not have time for this forum as I did in the past. So you will not have to deal with me or my opinions but I'm sure you will continue to "bad mouth" me as you have the members you drove away.

You keep promising GTR but somehow it never actually happens. As for bad mouthing, surely your thinly veiled accusation against me which you only removed at the insistence of the membership has to claim the "lowest of the low" . I have never experienced something like that coming from a mod on any forum I've ever had anything to do with. And I guarantee I have been on the 'net much longer than you have.

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Well Oz,
heh, I have gotten in heated debates with you and Deccie but I hope you are not talking about me here.
I dont recall ever calling you any names or such.
I just dont agree with your thinking as you with me.Thats OK

However, seeing that many forum members here are from America, we kind of get sick and tired of hearing how bad our country is from a guy who doesn`t live here yet thinks he knows whats best for us. That is all I am saying.
America does more good than bad in the world.

All countrys have commited horrible crimes in thier past. This is life. Even Australia has its problems ,I am sure.
Lets not forget England or Russia. There all guilty but life goes on.
Jerry

Jerry, you know despite us not agreeing I think your one of the good guys around here.

Posted by: Texas Proud

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

And my reply was an accurate reflection of the fct that an entire country was branded as something they are not.

I didn't read that into the first post.... and I will ask... did anybody but you complain? I would not think so...

And he said what his GF THOUGHT.... my girl will say 'Ukraine is a big village'... and she is not being 'kind' to them... a number of Russians do NOT like Ukrainians... but saying that this is a racist comment and should not be posted is wrong IMO... it is HER opinion... that is a fact...

BUT, I think BOTH of you are out of line... big time... and I am glad neither of you had a finger on the nuclear button.... both of you are acting childish... I will stop when HE stops... NO, I will stop only if HE stops... back and forth...

SO, my comment which will be seized upon and spit out in many ways..

BOTH of you are being childish and need a timeout...

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

I didn't read that into the first post.... and I will ask... did anybody but you complain? I would not think so...

And the problem here is what exactly TP? aren't I allowed to voice my disaproval at opinions that slight entire groups of people. Don't Anerican's hate it when people discuss their country in a negative fashion?

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

And he said what his GF THOUGHT.... my girl will say 'Ukraine is a big village'... and she is not being 'kind' to them... a number of Russians do NOT like Ukrainians... but saying that this is a racist comment and should not be posted is wrong IMO... it is HER opinion... that is a fact...

Then let the lady state her opinion and I will leave others alone. Seriously, would you tell everyone the pinion of someone else that may be considered unpopular by some and not have someone comment on it. This is a forum isn't it? Aren't we here to discuss ideas. Having said that wouldn't it be better to leave personal issues out of it. I commented on an idea if there is something wrong with that then I apologise right here and now.

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

BUT, I think BOTH of you are out of line... big time... and I am glad neither of you had a finger on the nuclear button.... both of you are acting childish... I will stop when HE stops... NO, I will stop only if HE stops... back and forth...

Seriously I would have kept quiet if it wasn't for personal communications being made public. It always takes someone to start something, and yes it takes someone to stop it to.

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

SO, my comment which will be seized upon and spit out in many ways..

Have no idea what you are trying to point out.

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

BOTH of you are being childish and need a timeout...

TP before we hit the both of you are being childish line to hard, I didn't invite comment, I knew I would get it but I did not invite it.

I am sorry if it offends people that I am defending myself from someone who made a pvt communication very public. I am sorry if I feel to stave off personal attacks after the previous event I needed to set the record for some of them straight so they would stop. I am sorry if my participation in the RMP has made it a poorer place. If you want me to leave just tell me and I will go if that is what the majority want. I don't have the answers to the issues of this forum all I know is there are many and I brought a few to the public view to try and get a resolution from admin.

Posted by: Texas Proud

I don't care who stays and who leaves..... I don't know any of you 'personally'... this is a forum... with good and bad...

Trying to 'defend' yourself against someone you have never met on a forum that very few read to me is wasting time and effort... so why do it?

There is someone here who I just don't like... very rude most of the time and does the same thing you are doing now.... trying to 'defend' whatever his opinion is and gets upset when others say to chill out or we don't feel the same etc... he is always trying to show the 'bad' side of this endeavor.... never the good... I just ignore him...

I don't even know who is a mod.... but the MOD is the one who should be the bigger man and stop... it does not matter how bad the other rants, raves, lies etc.... you chose to be a mod... so like an umpire at a game you take it until it is so bad the other mods say 'well, he DID step over the line and we will warn him or ban him'... but you should stay out of it.... or resign from being a mod...

I can tell you... this place has gone DOWNHILL big time from when I joined...

KHASHEAR....you better get back in here or just close up shop...

I might be going again soon.... not much here that is interesting me...

Posted by: Pin Boy

does anyone even remember the title/topic of this thread? let's ALL let it die.

pb

Posted by: JamesB

I agree with pin boy.We are all on this site for roughly the same reason and we should focus on issues around this.
There will always be disagreements on here and its easy to use words when the person is not in front of you but we should try to let these things go over our heads.

I had some disagreements with others on here who judged me and i got so wound up about it, but whats the point.

I also believe that moderaters should lead by example and not be party to these heated discussions as they are meant to keep an eye on things without inflaming them.

Posted by: waiting123

So here is the deal. We all have our own thoughts and our own opinions. All the mods try there best to stick on task, but we are normal people. The mods do get involved in the threads, and the mods do have opinions. I have asked all the mods to keep a level tone and not debate people, especially when a heated debate starts, but when they are attacked, they are normal people, they will attack back.... moral of the story, don't attack they poster!!

The mods are not here to babysit anyone. They are only here as a presence to help maintain the continuity of the forum. I would like the mods and admin to participate in the threads, but i am finding that to be a difficult task, it seems that a lot of posts that are made by a mod are instantly jumped on as incorrect or argumentative.

If you feel that you were ofended or personally attacked by anyone, especially a moderator, then I need to know about it so it can be dealt with accordingly, I think all of you know I am a straight shooter. I have no problem trying to resolve issues, no matter how tough they are.

This forum is a very large, very diverse forum, and has a lot of members. There is no way that a moderator team can make everyone happy. We all have issues with different people... I say fine, ignore them, you should not let it upset you or drive you away from the forum.

So lets all try and get a long. I do believe this thread has lived a nice and propesrous life, but I will not close it yet, I am interested to see responses.

My thoughts are, that we all use this forum for the same reasons, either to help guide us through this journey, or allow us to guide others, or just for some general information and help. The bottom line here is, we can all help each other succeed, or we can all fail individually.

Posted by: JamesB

Hear Hear, as i said we are all here for a common cause so lets focus on that.

Posted by: AkMike

[QUOTE=GoingToRussia]
I know of many people who have left this forum because of your posts and I'm sure they would come back and say it is true. I think you are the one feeling superior here and it has driven many members away.
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There's no need for anyone to leave because of this guy.. Just put him on ignore and he goes away..

All is good again!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Mike, don't start something you are not willing to finish. Like I said I am not taking anyone's crap anymore.

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by AkMike

[QUOTE=GoingToRussia]
I know of many people who have left this forum because of your posts and I'm sure they would come back and say it is true. I think you are the one feeling superior here and it has driven many members away.
QUOTE]

There's no need for anyone to leave because of this guy.. Just put him on ignore and he goes away..

All is good again!

come on mike, lets not rehash this one... how about this thread just die a nice and peacful death. I think that all said what they needed to say, I feel there was a lot of steam released, and now it is time to move on.

As I said above, I am looking back over things, posts, and comments, to see if there really needs to be anymore followup. There is really no need for anyone to leave because of anyone.

If it is felt that you should leave, you will get a proper showing of the way out from the mods or admin.

lets just move on.

Posted by: waiting123

I have been asked a lot recently why I have the avatar I have... well, I think this thread will answer that question.

And before this, it was the danish forum... but it seems one area gets fixed, and another gets a tickle.

Posted by: AkMike

Sounds fair to me..

I was just pointing out that if there is a problem with someone rather than sling mud it's easy to put them on ignore to stop the problem. I'm not trying to re-stir the mud.. Really!

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Sounds fair to me..

I was just pointing out that if there is a problem with someone rather than sling mud it's easy to put them on ignore to stop the problem. I'm not trying to re-stir the mud.. Really!

Sounds good.... but as has been stated before, the ignore button is there, but people do not seem to use it.

we all deserve and are welcome here. There will never be a day we all just get along :-( but at least I can say it...It is kinda like the Miss America Pagent... They all say I want world peace. I just want RMP Peace

Posted by: JamesB

I was thinking about this today and i can see why a newby may look at this site and decide not to stay.It just seems to have lost its way a little.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

I wasn't going to make further reply but in reply to James's comment.

When a newby comes here and gets attacked by people they wouldn't stay. I have PMs from Newbies talking to me about things like this and then they just leave. The RMP has become a place where people seem to feel they can do certain things and not be chipped over it. If I do something wrong chip me, I have been chipped pretty hard the last couple of days but I have also had more support than chips to.

There is a HUGE problem here when people think they can make comment like AkMike's above insinuating that others are not up to there level. No-one apart from you had posted for a while after waiting123 and then something like that comes up, what a way to stir the pot. I don't know how many of you guys are willing to keep taking remarks like these from people, if you are that's good as it is personal choice, but I'm not anymore.

btw James your PM inbox is full or was yesterday.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by freebird

Don't sweat it OzGuy, as long as you are not making personal attacks on someone, shouldn't be a problem

I realized that I was the first to reply to this thread, and it seems that there is some bad blood here between some of the senior members.

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

I don't care who stays and who leaves..... I don't know any of you 'personally'... this is a forum... with good and bad...

Trying to 'defend' yourself against someone you have never met on a forum that very few read to me is wasting time and effort... so why do it?

I can tell you... this place has gone DOWNHILL big time from when I joined...

KHASHEAR....you better get back in here or just close up shop...

I think you are right, T.P. it seems like both sides here need to chill out.

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Originally Posted by JamesB

I was thinking about this today and i can see why a newby may look at this site and decide not to stay.It just seems to have lost its way a little.

Good point James, something we should all think about.

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Originally Posted by waiting123

So here is the deal. We all have our own thoughts and our own opinions. All the mods try there best to stick on task, but we are normal people. The mods do get involved in the threads, and the mods do have opinions. I have asked all the mods to keep a level tone and not debate people, especially when a heated debate starts, but when they are attacked, they are normal people, they will attack back.... moral of the story, don't attack they poster!!

If you feel that you were ofended or personally attacked by anyone, especially a moderator, then I need to know about it so it can be dealt with accordingly, I think all of you know I am a straight shooter. I have no problem trying to resolve issues, no matter how tough they are.

This forum is a very large, very diverse forum, and has a lot of members. There is no way that a moderator team can make everyone happy. We all have issues with different people... I say fine, ignore them, you should not let it upset you or drive you away from the forum.

So lets all try and get a long. I do believe this thread has lived a nice and propesrous life, but I will not close it yet, I am interested to see responses.

My thoughts are, that we all use this forum for the same reasons, either to help guide us through this journey, or allow us to guide others, or just for some general information and help. The bottom line here is, we can all help each other succeed, or we can all fail individually.

A very thoughful post Waiting, you have summed it up very well. I wonder if perhaps we should be discussing on the "How to make RMP work better" thread, because we should be looking forward, not trying to rehash old arguments. I think there comes a point where people just have to agree to disagree, and not devolve into further personal attacks

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by freebird

I think you are right, T.P. it seems like both sides here need to chill out.

You do realise no-one has posted here for 6 days don't you. I would think that means the chill has happened.

Posted by: freebird

yes I just noticed that. Anyways I was curious why Waiting left the thread open to get our responces, yet nobody has replied.

haven't posted as much the last couple of months, it's a shame when the only activity here seems to be when there is a disagreement brewing, first in the Danish section, then here. What would be your take on how to improve the Forum?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Sorry again mate didn't mean to sound like it did.

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Originally Posted by freebird

What would be your take on how to improve the Forum?

1st and for most Khashyar needs to come back and reign it in. I am not trying to insult the other admin or mods but Khashyar has a way with words that sooths the cranky soul.

2nd, get the mod team working together again. Again not trying to insult them but its a very disfunctional group atm.

3rd, make an open invitation to all those who feel that wrong has been done to them to come back. If they do or not its their choice but if an invitation is made in good faith then at least someone has started the ball rolling to stop the blame game.

4th. The personal stuff must stop. in public and in PMs. I retaliate I know and its not good but sheez it takes alot to start me off.

5. If everyone would agree to discuss things as adults. I don't care what the topic is but it has to be discussed properly.

6th. should be third but I am not correcting all that above to fit it in. The Mods need to follow the guidelines and also enforce them.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: freebird

You know, those are all really good points.

{I know you asked to close this, but for now it seems the right place to post}

What is your opinion on the role of the Mods? Are they supposed to take a lead role in opening and keeping a thread going? Or are they supposed to sit back and just monitor a discussion? If so, should the Mods have a separate identity when they want to post?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by freebird

You know, those are all really good points.

{I know you asked to close this, but for now it seems the right place to post}

Chrimc started a thread ages ago about this type of thing. I don't mind this thread being the discussion point now but understand I reserve the right to edit the OP as I stated in the OP.

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Originally Posted by freebird

What is your opinion on the role of the Mods? Are they supposed to take a lead role in opening and keeping a thread going? Or are they supposed to sit back and just monitor a discussion?

My opinion of the role of the Mods is what Khashyar set down in the Mods guidelines. I have no right to ask anymore or expect anyless than Khashyar has stated.

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Originally Posted by freebird

If so, should the Mods have a separate identity when they want to post?

No they should be upfront about who they are. We had a problem like this before and it turned out with me getting the blame for 2 people leaving. If you are unable to post as the person you originally joined the RMP as then there is something wrong. In some cases it is legit, I can think of one that was legit and some of the old timers here will know who I am thinking of, but in 99.9% of cases it is just a way to say something you wouldn't ordinarily say and if you aren't game to say it and discuss it like an adult then maybe you shouldn't be saying it.

Posted by: I/O

There is arguments for and against open Mods. One side says a Mod should show who they are so they may be scrutinised. The other side says they should have seperate Mod identity because they can quell a heated debate without getting personally involved and in such cases the only "Mod" comments needed are very generic remarks.

I've experienced both from both sides and on balance I favour the unknown Mod. Either way requires a good deal of accountability to the site manager.

I/O

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Just so you know I/O this is being discussed in another thread. Maybe you should post your opinion on this matter there.

Posted by: clark

IMO

Notice the preface because it is only my opinion but it wouldn't make a dimes worth of difference if the Mods were anonymous or not. The problem has been a "certain" Mods behavior. That problem only compounded when other Mods let it go unchecked. I think most of the Mods and the admin has done an admirable job. This is an instance where a bad apple ruins the whole bunch. Much the same a year or so ago with another blowup. Unfortunately, then we lost a good Mod or two.

I do remember one Mod attempting call him out on it, that conversation went private but yet the behavior continued. The Mods should also "moderate" the Mods. Debate should not only be allowed but encouraged and fostered. All kept civil of course. Until someone has the 100%, no question right way of this pursuit, debate will help us find solutions to the learning curves. Unfortunately, with the unnamed Mod it only mattered if it was his opinion and all others be dammed. It didn't matter that he was wrong more than right.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Clark, maybe you should post this in the other thread that Waiting123 started.

Posted by: GoeastLJ

Sorry Oz.... done

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

GoEast, please post this in the other thread about making the RMP a better place as that is where this conversation has gone to now.

I have just tried to edit the OP so I could remove the references about my family situation as it no longer needs to be there, but I have just discovered I cannot edit any other posts but this and my last one. I would like, as I stated in the OP to be able to remove that if possible. Now because I cannot I would ask either Waiting or Searcher to please do that on my behalf and lock this thread or preferably delete it.

Posted by: waiting123

Lets have only one thread on this... so please post in "making the RMP a better place"

I am going to close this thread for now.