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Posted by: dragonshead

I have been talking with a girl from Russia for about three weeks and want to know if it sounds like a scam if she wants to come here and spend time with me. a little info: she contacted me through a singles site for U.S. citizens and we have not talked on the phone yet, although she asked for my number and i have given it. she says she has applied for the visa and she has even paid a little extra for it to be sped up if that is possible. she has not asked me for any money yet or even hinted and is saying she will pay for the visa and airfare. she is telling me the visa should go through in 1 to 2 weeks. I have stumbled across this girl so what are the chances of this being leget. HELP!

Posted by: Pin Boy

the chances are a big fat ZERO!!! it's a classic scam. besides the money angle, think about it - what single woman would travel halfway around the world to meet a total stranger in a strange land. most guys just about crap their pants on their first trip, do you think this is a something a woman would do?

others will tell you about how it is practically impossible for a young single russian woman to get a visa to the USA.

she, it, him setting you up for the big score when she claims to be at the airport but just needs $500 to get out of the airport because "the authorities" won't let her on the plane without a certain amount of money, which is total BS.

forget about this, read around the forum, and welcome. many men are introduced to this world by the same method.

pin boy

ps, being contacted on a us dating site is also another huge red flag.

Posted by: Stirlitz

Yeah. It is a scam.

Posted by: Chrismc

Run Forest run

the money letter will be coming soon I am sorry to say.

Posted by: clark

I concur with the others. This reeks of scam. Seems your just entering the "bait-up" stage. Don't waste anymore time on this (sic) woman. It's probably just a dude with some pretty pictures.

However, if you are interested in Russian women, you've come to the right place for information. Not that all of it will be right but most of it will be close to right.

If this is something you wish to pursue, do yourself a favor and keep reading everything you can on this forum. Loads of valuable information for your consumption that will serve you well if you have the bawls for this endeavor.

good luck

Posted by: Spakoyna

Man you guys drop the hammer quick! Sure the odds are it's a scam but there are several on here that have not been and have come to meet a guy.

Just keep your gaurd up and don't send her any money!

Posted by: Chillidog

I will say this my friend from Perm (34 yo female w/5 yo son) has been to the USA before on a Tourist Visa, she had to re-apply last year to get a new Tourist Visa and does now have it. So it is possible for a young women (under 40) to get a Visa, she must show the equivalent of our 'W-2" forms to show she is employed and has income, she must also show she owns property (ie her flat) which is now becomming easier to show this, Russia is has been privatizing ownership of flats over the last few year, and also for her (my friend) she states and applies only for herself and does not include her dependent child, that her child will not travel with her, which also helps our Gov't to feel she will return to Russia, and not remain in USA as an illegal.

The main qualifications for an FSU woman to recieve a Tourist Visa from the USA are:

1) can prove wages and have a job,
2) own property
3) Already have (legal) blood relations living in the USA
and another good quality for this instance is to have a child who will not be traveling with you

With that being said I would be 90% positive that if you continue to write she will ask for money, I would continue to play it out (as long as correspondence with her is free) and see what happens, but understand if she asks for money it is a 'SCAM' and you would be a fool to send money under these conditions.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Dragon, Chilli has the reply that is closest to reality. Single women can get a visa but as Chilli said they have to show they will return home.

Now, I would think most women who are from the FSU and contact fella's on a free site that is a site for Americans (or any western country) and claims what you say this lady is claiming is pushing the boundaries of sensibility. Like Pinboy said most women wouldn't travel to meet a stranger.

Posted by: Spakoyna

I hope you guys aren't busting blue's bubble! His lady is paying for all her travel to Moscow and Egypt! That is the most recent...there are many others but I don't feel like digging so I can be accurate for the perfectionists!

Posted by: dragonshead

thanks for the help, I think I'll play it out and hope she does'nt ask for the money but I will be watching.
She did mention about the authoritys wanting to be sure she would return and she says she is a nurse studying to be a doctor, but all that could be to good to be true.

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Man you guys drop the hammer quick! Sure the odds are it's a scam but there are several on here that have not been and have come to meet a guy.

Just keep your gaurd up and don't send her any money!

Ah c'mon Spak, your giving a sense of false hope. She contacted him on an american date site and they haven't spoken on the phone but she wants to come visit? Quick hammer possibly but, his chances of it not being a scammer would be about 10,000 to 1

As for Chili's friend, if he' says she's getting a tourist visa, I can believe that. It does happen, but not very often. I would venture to say 90% of FSU could not provide that kind of documentation. Income and property being the biggest obstacle. It is very difficult for most FSUW to supply the documentation to satisfy the USIS. The last reliable figures I saw (and I don't remember where) was over 85% of these type requests are denied

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I hope you guys aren't busting blue's bubble! His lady is paying for all her travel to Moscow and Egypt! That is the most recent...there are many others but I don't feel like digging so I can be accurate for the perfectionists!

Spak, nobody's bursting my bubble, don't think anyone can right now, I'm too close to seeing her. There was absolutely no red flags whatsoever with her, I have no doubts that she's legit. I have been writing, talking on the phone and web cam for 6 months now. She sent me her reservation receipt for the flight to Moscow and the receipts and reservations for the flight and hotel in Egypt. I have a copy of her passport, which is genuine. Talked to her daughter on the phone and seen her on cam with the Barbie dolls I sent her for Christmas. I already paid my half to the travel agency directly. So, if she's a GTG, she's not a very good one......

5 More Days and all doubts will be laid to rest

Posted by: Spakoyna

Blu! I'm on your side here! The other's are basically saying it isn't possible for an FSU woman to pay her way! Your's is the most recent example that it does happen sometimes! Hope ya have a keeper and she feels the same! Have a GREAT TRIP!

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Originally Posted by blucatz

5 More Days and all doubts will be laid to rest

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Spak,

no we (I) am not bursting Blucatz's bubble or even insinulating anything close. She is not stating that she will meet him In the USA. They are meeting in a neutral country that is easy for a Russian woman to travel to on her own. And she has paid upfront for her travel and from what I understand some of Blu's, so for me there are no concerns on Blu's end and just hope that they get along as well in person as they have thru their already established communictaion.

Posted by: Pin Boy

the "this is a scam" posts are for dragonhead not bc.

pb

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by clark

As for Chili's friend, if he' says she's getting a tourist visa, I can believe that. It does happen, but not very often. I would venture to say 90% of FSU could not provide that kind of documentation. Income and property being the biggest obstacle. It is very difficult for most FSUW to supply the documentation to satisfy the USIS. The last reliable figures I saw (and I don't remember where) was over 85% of these type requests are denied

Clark,

I am not saying she is trying to get it , she already does have it! She was b*tching big time on what a hassel and how much docomentation she needs to provide, she was hoping that this time (second time she has recieved a Tourist Visa) it would be easier because she has already (in her eyes) proved that she will not stay illegaly. She also was hoping that on this trip she would be able to bring her son with (she would like her father, who divorced her mother re-married andlives with his wife and mutual child in the USA (and how I first met her), because her father has never seen her child other than pictures, but again they were going to deny her the Visa, if she was appling to bring the child with, and after thinking it over felt the the long travel would not be good for her 5 yo son, so now is not as upset any more over this. But yes, it is true and she can attest to it, it is almost impossible to get! probably less than 10% can get a Toursist Visa.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

the "this is a scam" posts are for dragonhead not bc.

pb

Agree with pb,

spak why would you even think we were trying to burst "Blu's" bubble???

Like pb, says this is about dragonhead's post.

Blu knows how I feel about his trip, and I am almost as excited for him as he is (Blu, I know this is not possible)

Posted by: Spakoyna

I didn't say ya'll were...but it just eased out that way. There are at least 2 if not more that I know of here that have had a Russian lady come and visit under the same pretenses. The common assumption is a lady doesn't have the money to travel so that is where Blu came up!

Never scream scam until a scam is attempted! I totally agree with warning of the possibility...but don't slam the door! The 1st time I was a member here under a different name over 4 years ago I asked opinions! I was told ta run,run,run! Damn glad I am my own person or I wouldn't be married to my wife of damn near 4 years now! If ya can't give the benefit of the doubt on meeting someone in the internet dating senario your odds are slim to none!

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Never scream scam until a scam is attempted! I totally agree with warning of the possibility...but don't slam the door! The 1st time I was a member here under a different name over 4 years ago I asked opinions! I was told ta run,run,run! Damn glad I am my own person or I wouldn't be married to my wife of damn near 4 years now! If ya can't give the benefit of the doubt on meeting someone in the internet dating senario your odds are slim to none!

You raise a good point and even have testimony to that effect. I have long been a proponent of going with your gut feeling but, there is a point that common sense and rationale should enter the equation. Over the years, the information we have now indicates that such "unusual" contact many more times than not is a scammer. Why encourage someone to pursue that when there are possibly hundreds of thousands real sincere women available elsewhere? Seems like a waste of time to me. IMO.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I didn't say ya'll were...but it just eased out that way. There are at least 2 if not more that I know of here that have had a Russian lady come and visit under the same pretenses. The common assumption is a lady doesn't have the money to travel so that is where Blu came up!

Never scream scam until a scam is attempted! I totally agree with warning of the possibility...but don't slam the door! The 1st time I was a member here under a different name over 4 years ago I asked opinions! I was told ta run,run,run! Damn glad I am my own person or I wouldn't be married to my wife of damn near 4 years now! If ya can't give the benefit of the doubt on meeting someone in the internet dating senario your odds are slim to none!

Spakoyna,
please read my post (#7 in this thread) I did not tell dragonshead to "run" I pointed out in this post (from a personal friend) the great difficulties it is for someone who lives in a CIS country (Russia in this case) the great difficulties it is actualy to get a Tourist Visa. Most will state when the read "she says she is getting a Visa to visit me" -----RUN FOREST RUN, but I did not say this I said "play it out, see what happens, but if she asks for money it IS a SCAM, and please do not send money you would be a fool if you did in this instance" I thought I made the point clearly it is possible to get a Visa but in all likely hood it is very rare.

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Chili, I dunno, seems like you can't take yes for an answer...LOL.. I believed you the first time. I don't know the circumstances of your friend but your description was on the money. Even if an FSU woman can provide all the required documentation there is still no absolute she can get the visa. Beside the fact that providing the documentation for a tourist visa is near impossible for most FSU women.

Coincidentally, I had a conversation with my father recently who is retired military and in his late 70's. Years ago, he had helped several guys in his command with fiancee visas and tourist visas as well. At that time it was just a matter of a few forms and the right signature and voila, instant approval. Needless to say the conversation got lengthy. I showed him online the process and he was floored.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by clark

Over the years, the information we have now indicates that such "unusual" contact many more times than not is a scammer.

Define "unusual"? I am sort of joking with this question as quite a few of the women I have contact with, meaning foreign women, are legit but I have not come into contact with them in "usual" ways.

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Define "unusual"? I am sort of joking with this question as quite a few of the women I have contact with, meaning foreign women, are legit but I have not come into contact with them in "usual" ways.

I would define unusual as being contacted by an FSUW on Match.com, Yahoo personals or any number of the national sites that normally prohibit foreign IP's. There is still a scam percentage on the most legitimate sites where FSUW go and post to meet foreign men. The percentage is much higher when they get through the filters and make first contact.

I have no stats to support this other than my personal experiences and opinion. I was on the national sites and was contacted by many women. Many FSUW. They were all scams. All had beautiful pictures and outrageous stories and promises of love. I am actually thankful, because of them my interest was peaked and I started look into RW. My thinking was they can't all be money grubbing scammers. I was right, they all weren't and I'm glad I did.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by clark

I took your post wrong, sorry, I thought you were questioning whether or not it can happen.
The money aspect was about if Dragon's woman asks for money in this "Visa application" or needs "funds to arrive" then it is definitly a scam. Not that only the 'rich' can get a 'Tourist Visa' to the US.
Yes, you are correct, even if the woman provides all of the proper documentation, that still does not mean she will be approved. This upset my friend greatly thinking, "well I have gone thru this all before, why do I have to do it again".