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on Kiev connections web site (which is how I found RMP) there is a link to a 'Trip report' here on RMP of one of the people that used this agency.
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Originally Posted by alfie
I don't like the thought of traveling alone to Russia/Ukraine just to meet one woman although it seems this is quite popular here.
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Originally Posted by alfie
Hi Stirlitz, i have bookmarked your website as i'm sure i will need some help in the future, but it is early days yet. I don't quite understand the meaning of your comment ?
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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
I only WOVO and everything was good. I know of at least 6 guys on this forum that WOVO and ended up married ... and still are. I think most people WOVO and have better success.
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Because, as I said, they prefer to keep it to themselves, or even give it up at all.
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Originally Posted by alfie
Well, thank's everyone for your words. I've been doing a lot of reading on this site & i need to do a lot of thinking about how i'm going to approach this.
One thing i was very surprised to read was the amount of money especially some of the Americans are spending on getting an FSU wife 20,000 - 30,000 & even 40,000 USD i have seen mentioned. How much time does an American spend with the woman before he gets her to the states & marries her ? |
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Originally Posted by alfie
One thing i was very surprised to read was the amount of money especially some of the Americans are spending on getting an FSU wife 20,000 - 30,000 & even 40,000 USD i have seen mentioned. How much time does an American spend with the woman before he gets her to the states & marries her ?
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Originally Posted by alfie
Well, thank's everyone for your words. I've been doing a lot of reading on this site & i need to do a lot of thinking about how i'm going to approach this.
One thing i was very surprised to read was the amount of money especially some of the Americans are spending on getting an FSU wife 20,000 - 30,000 & even 40,000 USD i have seen mentioned. How much time does an American spend with the woman before he gets her to the states & marries her ? |
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Originally Posted by Pin Boy
why do you say that I/O? i'm sure that's confusing the guy more.pb
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| You just do not know many, many more WOVO guys who failed Because, as I said, they prefer to keep it to themselves, or even give it up at all. |
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Originally Posted by I/O
The bottom line is they don't know, they can't produce definitive numbers to substantiate their argument so they almost always defer to abstract statements like this...........
That is simply speculation and nothing more. The bottom line is the guy who comes to visit many is usually better business for the terps, hand holders and so forth. |
However, when somebody comes over it does not matter either whether he is going to see one or more women because time that he needs my help is much the same, but in the first case he bets all of his time on one number and in the second case he spreads his chances over a larger group of 3,4,5, sometimes 6 or 7, seldom more.|
Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
I guess my point of view is I think it is better to put your focus on one girl if you feel a strong affinity or bond between you to start with. If and when you feel you both have enough trust as friends and see the real possibility of a relationship being possible , only then go visit and whilst it might be your first time meeting in person it would be best not to treat it like a first date.
I think the idea of only meeting her and a trip to meet her was right. What I think we both did wrong was treat meeting each other in person too much like we'd not know each other before when we already did and forget to build on the trust we alright had built up online in communication. |
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Originally Posted by Stirlitz
... it’s not an abstract statement but my experience and statistics.
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Originally Posted by blucatz
I am glad you brought this up. With my upcoming meeting with my lady only 32 days away, my nervous level has risen considerably. I am wondering what I will do the first 30 seconds after seeing each other, talking to her, not even realizing that, hey, we have already talked for 6 months, we pretty much already know each other. I guess I will change my mindset, not treat this like a first date as you say, but treat it like date number 10 or 15 and we are just on a vacation to have fun and enjoy each others company.
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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Here is some information you might be interested in or anyone traveling to the FSU for the first time to meet a girl.
http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...ead.php?t=12543 |
. I still have one concern I havn't worked out yet. The actuall cash (USD) I will be taking with me at first. I have been told it has to be in perfect condition for any type of currency exchange. How do you keep cash in perfect condition from Ohio to Moscow to Egypt without folding it in your wallet? I will use my ATM once there, but I will take some cash at first to pay for the visa in Egypt, taxi's and food while traveling. Keep in mind I am not a suite type of person, slacks and nice shirt are about as formal as I get unless someone is getting married or dies. 
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Originally Posted by blucatz
I am glad you brought this up. With my upcoming meeting with my lady only 32 days away, my nervous level has risen considerably. I am wondering what I will do the first 30 seconds after seeing each other, talking to her, not even realizing that, hey, we have already talked for 6 months, we pretty much already know each other. I guess I will change my mindset, not treat this like a first date as you say, but treat it like date number 10 or 15 and we are just on a vacation to have fun and enjoy each others company.
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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
Anyway good luck blucatz. Sounds an exciting trip to meet up in Egypt.
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Originally Posted by blucatz
Actually we are meeting in Moscow and she is flying with me to Egypt. She took care of all the arrangements from Moscow to Egypt and the hotel reservations. She said all I had to do was get my azz to Moscow
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Originally Posted by blucatz
Thanks for the link, some very good info there. Oh, by the way, the pic of you and your now ex, very nice. I do believe you married up and she married down tho....
. I still have one concern I havn't worked out yet. The actuall cash (USD) I will be taking with me at first. I have been told it has to be in perfect condition for any type of currency exchange. How do you keep cash in perfect condition from Ohio to Moscow to Egypt without folding it in your wallet? I will use my ATM once there, but I will take some cash at first to pay for the visa in Egypt, taxi's and food while traveling. Keep in mind I am not a suite type of person, slacks and nice shirt are about as formal as I get unless someone is getting married or dies. 32 days till Moscow and Egypt |
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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
Buy onna those waist security money belts. Worked great for me, and didn't show! I R somewhat skinny. I took as much as 6K and kept my passport in it too. Think I bought it at wallmart.
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Originally Posted by Stirlitz
It’s not true. First, it’s not an abstract statement but my experience and statistics. I have seen hundreds of men since 1999. Very few WOVO were successful in the long run (that is were able to get married and stay together). Some gave it up after the first unsuccessful try. So I am not speculating.
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Originally Posted by alfie
Chrismc
thanks for putting the financial side of things into perspective. It sounds like a lot at first, but over a 2 to 3 year period it is quite affordable. The trips abroad i think have to be viewed as a holiday as well as "looking for a FSU wife trip". |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Once you have found someone, is it normal to financially support them while they are still in the FSU & if so how much a month ?
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Originally Posted by blucatz
But won't that put creases in the money and be difficult to exchange? I had thought about getting one of those. Do I have to actually carry my passport or can I just carry a copy of it? Seems like carrying the original passport would be a pain in the azz.
32 days till Moscow and Egypt |
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Originally Posted by Chrismc
I never bother taking cash anymore, I just take my ATM Debit card and withdraw from cash machines as and when I need to.
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Originally Posted by blucatz
But I will need to purchase my visa in Egypt at the airport, what are the chances of there being an ATM close before I buy the visa?
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Originally Posted by blucatz
But won't that put creases in the money and be difficult to exchange? I had thought about getting one of those. Do I have to actually carry my passport or can I just carry a copy of it? Seems like carrying the original passport would be a pain in the azz.
32 days till Moscow and Egypt |
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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
Blu, the money belt I had you didn't fold the bills. Out of the total of probably 15K I took I only damaged 1 bill. I was trying to be discreet, and it was tight and I tore the damn thing. Cashier was watching me(was only a little tear at the top) and absoluely refused to take it! I believe it is a racket because there are places you can go exchange them but at a greatly reduced rate.
To my knowledge you do need to carry your passpor at all times. |
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Originally Posted by sidney
For back-up money I'd take a 100 bill roll it tight and slip it thru a slit in my jacket label. You can always tear the label off to get it. I like the pouches that go around your neck. Also big enough for a passport.
Sid |
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Originally Posted by Pin Boy
try the local AAA office for travel wallets, money belts, electrical outlet adapters, etc...
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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Can't buy Rubles either. You are not suppose to take Rubles out of Russia, it's a law and can be detained at the airport.
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Originally Posted by clark
Rubles and most any currency can be bought at a local bank or affiliate with an international exchange.
Blucatz....this place has just about any kind of security belts for travel you'll need. http://www.beltoutlet.com/ |
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Originally Posted by sidney
I don't recall where I got mine. Saw a tourist that had one and looked like a good idea. They go inside your shirt so it only shows a little of the string. Less chance of a pickpocket getting it.
Sid |
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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
Blu...more food for thought! It has been nearly 4 years since I was in Russia. I was made very aware of the cut and take abilities of the locals then. That's why I opted for a money belt in my pants. After a day or 2 ya don't even know it's there! I think it's definately more comfortable than having somin hangin around your neck! Downside is havin ta get in your pants when ya need some bucks!
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. Seriously tho, I will just go into the restroom beforehand and take out what I need for the day and keep that in my wallet or front pocket.
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Originally Posted by I/O
Igor.............hundreds............????? How many exactly?
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Originally Posted by I/O
Igor, I don’t challenge your ability as a guide/terp, but I am simply pointing out the blindingly obvious. The VO guy will need you for a couple of days at the most if he hits it off with his lady and then he will fly his own kite. If he is to visit many, he is far more likely to need assistance on a repeat basis. To suggest otherwise is simply absurd.
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Originally Posted by I/O
Personally, I have nothing against either method, I’ve done both at different stages and frankly, I don’t care much as I am now quite happily married
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but at the end of the day it does not matter for me. I do care about my clients and try to direct them the way to success that is why I share what I know and feel. But they can read the board too and make their decision, can’t they?|
Originally Posted by I/O
but I will always challenge people trying to BS the newbies into one or other method.
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Originally Posted by Stirlitz
Yes, I have had a hundred of clients or so.
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| I did not count of course and did no math |
| I can put two and two together and come to a conclusion which approach is more likely to end up in failure, can’t I? |
| Absurd is to denounce anything that does not suit your views. |
| You assume that the VO guy will end up happily married with that lady |
| Then he comes back, or gives it up. |
| It does not make a huge difference if the first one needs 3 days and the other one needs 5 days. |
| But the first one does not have choice and gets only one try while the second has more options. |
| But they can read the board too and make their decision, can’t they? |
| This MO is called flaming. |
| My attitude is everybody is entitled to their opinion and is free to express it. |
| Challenging others’ views and experience because you do not like them or suspect hidden agendas is not a good way to make your point. |
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Originally Posted by I/O
A hundred or so? (I assume a small typo in there) I little different from "Hundreds" wouldn't you say?
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Originally Posted by I/O
I've never made that assumtion, nor any other assumtion in this caper. Nowhere did I say that every VO guy will find what he is looking for.
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Originally Posted by I/O
The VO guy will need you for a couple of days at the most if he hits it off with his lady and then he will fly his own kite.
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Originally Posted by I/O
5 days pay is better than 3.
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Originally Posted by I/O
Igor to draw this back to the real point, you say, based on your experience in one corner of the FSU, VM is the best way to go. I say based on the numbers I can substantiate, and I acknowledge they are small numbers, it cuts up about 50/50 and a guy should persue the style to which he is accustomed. Either way, if he is doing his homework, it will require multiple trips.
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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
LMAOROTF! Ya think a pickpocket's gonna go undetected stickin his hand down my crotch? I think not!
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Originally Posted by alfie
So, basically i am planning to go Kiev next month for 10 days. Guess with which agency ?
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Originally Posted by I/O
The bottom line is, if you are a guy used to dating many and often, then do the same thing in the FSU. If you are a guy used to dating one at a time, then stick with that because the moment you try to be something you are not, you are toast. I/O |
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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
Hello! I am a WOVO success story! We are approaching our 4th anniversary. I believe success comes from how you approach writing a lady. All of our correspondence before we met was of a serious nature. Never any wooing,etc. I started out by approaching the subject of what would not make things work for us. My wife really liked my approach as she knew i was serious.
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Originally Posted by alfie
Hi, i've got my plane tickets for 19th May. I decided to go with Kiev Connections to Kirovograd as i live in a similar size town & i thought that if i find someone then at least they might find it easier to settle in than if they came from a big city like Kiev. I will only be meeting about 5 women, which i think is a good amount.
Like i said before, this is my first trip to the FSU & is a bit of a learning curve for me with regards to Eastern European women. I know a lot of you would not of recommended going about things this way, but after studying the different options it seems the best way to me. I will keep posting & write a "trip report" for anyone that is intrested. |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Hi all, just 8 more days until i'm off to Ukraine. I would appreciate any last minute tips or advice. I will do a detailed report when i get back & also an agency review in the relative section.
Has anyone been been through LHR treminal 5 recently ? |
4 years ago you could buy the western,softer style of toliet paper in the stores. So I'm sure it should be readily available in the local stores. That rough stuffs OK as long as ya don't have the s***s! |
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Call your credit card company and tell then you will be using them in the Ukraine.
Most important ... take your own toilet paper ... their's is like sandpaper!!! Have fun, good luck, and happy landings!!! |
when she saw me standing there in the living room of the flat Ironing a stack of $100.00 bills As for money i don't know if it is best to take cash or use the ATM's. I just don't trust the machines - think someone's working a scam. I'll probably end up with loads of cash.
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Originally Posted by alfie
Thank's i'll take some toilet paper
As for money i don't know if it is best to take cash or use the ATM's. I just don't trust the machines - think someone's working a scam. I'll probably end up with loads of cash. |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Hi, i've got my plane tickets for 19th May. I decided to go with Kiev Connections to Kirovograd as i live in a similar size town & i thought that if i find someone then at least they might find it easier to settle in than if they came from a big city like Kiev. I will only be meeting about 5 women, which i think is a good amount.
Like i said before, this is my first trip to the FSU & is a bit of a learning curve for me with regards to Eastern European women. I know a lot of you would not of recommended going about things this way, but after studying the different options it seems the best way to me. I will keep posting & write a "trip report" for anyone that is intrested. |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Hi Chrismc,
I have also been told when applying for UK visa's you have to have known the woman at least 6 months after meeting her & have evidence of communication. |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Thx Chilli & Chris, i knew about keeping photos's, phone bill's etc, but not all the other little bits of evidence. Thx for letting me know
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for her interview tomorrow, this is just some of what she is taking with her, she has 3 bags full:-
I have printed some random emails etc off though.
many cash withdrawal receipts, money exchange receipts, A 34 x A4 page report of how we met and what we did etc, a 700+ page document of email correspondence prior to getting married again on CD if they want it the peeping toms can have it, and another 40+ x A4 page document of emails since marriage, copies of letters sent by snail mail, copies of receipts for gifts posted over to her, hotel receipts, meal receipts, tickets to local attractions, phone bills, photographs, marriage certificate, birth certificates, airport parking receipts, and a partridge in a pear tree
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Originally Posted by Chrismc
and a partridge in a pear tree
I knew none of this was required when I first started this adventure over 3 years ago, so make sure you are ready when you meet THE one Forearmed is forewarned |
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Originally Posted by alfie
Thx again Chris. I dont think i've sent that many e-mails in my whole life - let alone 6 months ! I know you are making sure your wife gets the visa, but haveng cd copies of msn conversations is a little o.t.t. ?
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