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Posted by: youlek

I am rather curious.
Why are you looking for foreign wives?
when she moves to your country, she wont be able work for a while (or maybe she wont want). you'll have to pay for her language courses, her education, food, cloth and blah blah. if she has kids, you'll pay even more.

you'll pay to make her stay legal

and there are many many other aspects.

So why do you need it? woulndt it be easier to marry a local woman?

I am not against your search. But it seems rather difficult.

So why??11

Posted by: Pin Boy

take your index fingers and put them together at a 45 degree angle. next connect the tips of your thumbs to make a triangle. now say, "it's amazing what men will do for a patch of hair this big!" there's your answer.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

take your index fingers and put them together at a 45 degree angle. next connect the tips of your thumbs to make a triangle. now say, "it's amazing what men will do for a patch of hair this big!" there's your answer.

÷å?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Your on fire youlek, all the posts and questions that basically can be answered if you had a look on the forum.

I'm lucky regarding the teaching English part, it is my job anyway

Posted by: GoingToRussia

The reason I do is because I am more compatible with a woman from the FSU. Yes I am ready for all you state except the English, she already speaks very well.

Yes it is a lot of waiting, problems, and money but isn't it worth finding someone you can be with for life instead of accepting a western woman who is not compatible with you ... and hope for the best?

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

The reason I do is because I am more compatible with a woman from the FSU. Yes I am ready for all you state except the English, she already speaks very well.

I liked it

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

That was good.

Posted by: LilyNewbie

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Originally Posted by youlek

I am rather curious.
Why are you looking for foreign wives?
when she moves to your country, she wont be able work for a while (or maybe she wont want). you'll have to pay for her language courses, her education, food, cloth and blah blah. if she has kids, you'll pay even more.

you'll pay to make her stay legal

and there are many many other aspects.

So why do you need it? woulndt it be easier to marry a local woman?

I am not against your search. But it seems rather difficult.

So why??11

youlek, this thread might be interesting for you:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.c...hp?topic=7276.0

Posted by: jlyandco

Obviously, not ALL men desire the same thing in their pursuit of a relationship... whether it be in their same town or halfway around the world.

As a man: yes, sexual fulfillment is one of our driving motivators. However, there is SO much more to a healthy relationship than a man and woman expressing eros love for one another. For me, ultimately, it's a connection I feel in my "soul"... not simply my loins.

Here in the West, both men and women are becoming increasingly disfunctional in their relationship skill. Men, in general, have never been very good at establishing and nurturing a healthy relationship (with a woman or with other men). As has already been observed by someone else in this thread: "...it is difficult". Women here in the West have been "poisoned" (for lack of a better word) for decades by various types of feminist doctrines and mantras... which continue to taint a woman's original perspective.

No, I'm not a male "chauvinist"... I believe that a man and woman should be "equal partners" in their relationship. Each has unique gifts and abilities, and contribute to the "whole" health of theire relationship.

Sorry about the "rabbit trail"... let me get back on track.

Why seek a woman from halfway around the world? Short answer: Because there's a better chance that such a woman has not yet been tainted by the deception of feminism, and may still hold true to the traditional values that a man, such as myself, greatly desires!

If such a woman did live across the street... trust me, I'd be knocking on her door! ;-)

However, if I have to travel around the world and make the financial and emotional investment in a woman who is GENUINE and ultimately and passionately committed to sharing a lifetime journey with me (as I would be with her), then it's an investment that I'm willing to make.

There's a commonly used saying that may sum up another (and shorter) way of sharing this same perspective: "with great risk comes great reward".

Carpe diem... remember that life is not meant to be a spectator sport!

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by youlek

I am rather curious. Why are you looking for foreign wives?
when she moves to your country, she wont be able work for a while (or maybe she wont want). you'll have to pay for her language courses, her education, food, cloth and blah blah. if she has kids, you'll pay even more.

you'll pay to make her stay legal and there are many many other aspects.
So why do you need it? woulndt it be easier to marry a local woman?
I am not against your search. But it seems rather difficult.

So why??11

My reasons may be different than some of the others. Many of the local women that I like always seem to be "busy". Even if I rearrange my schedule, they seem to still be "busy". This is frustrating and is futile.

Actually, the basic need is to find a woman that has some kind of values, but at the same time, is fun, and understands me. The girls you find at bars are often irresponsible, and the born-again types would make me feel uncomfortable for strumming my guitar, or sipping on a beer.

Is that too much to ask?

I may not have married the girl of my dreams yet, but the FSU is the right direction to look. Their value system is similar to mine, and I feel more comfortable with the women---even if some only speak Russian. Plus the women whom I've met are generally much more attractive than what I would normally expect to date here.

Can't argue with that. Yes, it's a lot of time, effort and money, but it's worth it. If I put the "full-court press" on the American women, it would likely be a lot of wasted time, effort, and money.....and going nowhere.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by jlyandco

Why seek a woman from halfway around the world? Short answer: Because there's a better chance that such a woman has not yet been tainted by the deception of feminism, and may still hold true to the traditional values that a man, such as myself, greatly desires!

Carpe diem... remember that life is not meant to be a spectator sport!

it is the myth of 80s.
anyway it is difficult to believe that there are so few good women in your local countries

but you never know where and when you can meet your second half

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by youlek

it is the myth of 80s.
anyway it is difficult to believe that there are so few good women in your local countries

but you never know where and when you can meet your second half

It is not a myth, its a cold hard fact here in the US. The pickings are extremely thin here, not matter what part of the country you go to. Even more so in the big cities where women strive even harder to be more like a man in everyday society, sometimes even more. Youlek, since you live in Russia, I don't know if you have ever lived here in the states as a citizen, probably not, so we have no common frame of reference in describing the type of women we have to deal with here everyday. Maybe you visited for a while, I don't know, even that would be different since you would have been a foreigner here and is looked upon differently by the women here. Don't believe what you see on TV about life and the people over here, 99.99% of it is false. I have had to debunk allot of myths about the people and life over here to my Lady in Omsk. All her information was from the TV. Women here are extremely materialistic, self centered, and after only one thing, their own happiness at any cost. Thats the reason why I looked East for my other half.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by blucatz

It is not a myth, its a cold hard fact :

I am from Russian and I know Russian women better.

I dont know foreign women, you are right.

But what you say about Russian women was true in 80s

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by youlek

I am from Russian and I know Russian women better.

I dont know foreign women, you are right.

But what you say about Russian women was true in 80s

I am going assume (correct me if I am wrong) that you are a Russian man. You say you know Russian women better, do you think that maybe Russian women act differently around Russian men than they do around Western men? Maybe you see them differently than we do, maybe you have gotten so used to the way they are that maybe you take them for granted and don't see the qualities in them that are good that we see. There is a saying in the computer world "Garbage in, Garbage out" meaning that if you treat a women like crap and take her for granted, then thats the way you will be treated. When we are with them, we treat them with the respect and love they deserve, and you know what? we get back the same respect and love, most of the time we receive more. You say you may know Russian women, I bet all the Russian men say the same thing, if that is true, they why are there so many beautiful Russian women looking for romance overseas? Think about it.

Posted by: Spakoyna

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Originally Posted by blucatz

Women here are extremely materialistic, self centered, and after only one thing, their own happiness at any cost.

I disagree with your statement here. I would say these values are pretty much even on both sides of the ocean. Believe me, I have witnessed a few RW/WM relationships where the RW made the snottiest of the stuck up WW b*tches look like angels!

I believe the difficulty isn't that their aren't descent WW available, simply the avenues to meet them are not there.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

You are right, these values are on both sides of the pond, but you have to admit that here in the US these values are more of the norm than over in FSU. The value of Feminism has not totally crossed the ocean yet and taken over the women, so the art of self centeredness has not taken a firm hold yet. Most AW will only be nice to you if it gets them something in return, if it doesn't then generally they just don't do it. They have the mindset of "What can you bring to the table for me?"

As far as avenues to meet the good ones, there are so many ways to meet an AW now days it isn't funny. Take a look at some of the profiles listed on some of the bigger singles sites in the US and read what some of these women want from a man and you will see my point above.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by blucatz

I am going assume (correct me if I am wrong) that you are a Russian man.

you'll be surprised but I even know them better, because I am a Russian lady myself

Posted by: youlek

and it is not true there are no good men in Russia and they most of them drinks

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Youlek, you are correct it is a myth of the 80s and it is a myth that is put forth on sites like this and dating agency sites that make money out of saying that RWs are not like western women.

The REAL problem is that people don't want to let go of the "old world" idea that a woman MUST look after her man, the next problem is that to many of the men don't think that the "looking after" should be reciprocated.

If people would just learn to treat others as individuals and not place everyone into a basket that they appear to be like the myths then we would see relationships that are better based on reality and not on an ideal dream that didn't really exist anyway.

Guys take note of what the ladies on this site say, they know alot more than we do about what women think and feel.

Blue what on earth made you assume Youlek was a guy?

Posted by: Testman

From the men I know who have been to the FSU, they all say that FSU women are more approachable and easier to get to know. I know of an American man who couldn't get any dates in the USA, so he went and lived in Ukraine for six months. In that short time there, he dated HUNDREDS of women. Why the difference in his success? Because he is not a super-social soap opera type of guy that American women have come to expect a man to be. And in Ukraine, the women there didn't require that trait in him. And thats also my reason for dating Ukrainian women. Its not so much that I think they are so much better, as it is I think they are more reasonable in their requirements for a mate.

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Guys take note of what the ladies on this site say, they know alot more than we do about what women think and feel.

Point taken. But I know of two American women who even say that the standards of men in the USA have been raised to the point where most men don't have what the ladies are looking for, and these American women recommended to American men to either move to the FSU, or at least spend a lot of time there and seek a foreign lady. I think these women have a point. I never even realized it before, but they are right. Look at how many American women expect a man to be over six feet tall, even whey they are only a Little over 5 feet tall themselves. Yet, when I see a FSU women's height requirements, assuming she even has one, they are wanting men to be at least 5'-5" tall, and almost all men are as tall or taller than that anyway. With American women, I have seen them reject men because of absurd reasons and I am not even gong to attempt to read them all because they are so many.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by youlek

you'll be surprised but I even know them better, because I am a Russian lady myself

I apoligize for the mistake, I could not tell from your posts or profile.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Blue what on earth made you assume Youlek was a guy?

I could not tell by her posts or profile either way. I just took a wild guess by the way she was talking.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by blucatz

I apoligize for the mistake, I could not tell from your posts or profile.

Youlek is from Yulia (Julia)

Posted by: youlek

Russian women do care about their place in this life- like career ... a job ... education ... maybe the differentce is that most of us are ready to sacrifise it all for a family

or we can combine everything and the family doesnt suffer because of it

Posted by: GoingToRussia

OzGuy, have you ever been to the FSU and met these women in person? I would guess no. Many, not all, of these women are different. As testman says, they are more approachable and their standards for a man are realistic. They want a man for who he is, not who he isn't. They are more feminine and do not wish to be "butch" like a man.

Posted by: subcom117

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Originally Posted by Testman

Look at how many American women expect a man to be over six feet tall, even whey they are only a Little over 5 feet tall themselves.

I am 5'10". I dated an AW for six months and she broke up with me telling me I was too short. She wanted to wear her heels and still be shorter and actually said to me, "and you're not going to grow any taller." Amazingly I was the same height when we stated dating and it didn't seem to matter then ?!?.

Posted by: Testman

When I was in Ukraine last January, I saw tons of very tall women, like 6' tall, dating men who were in the lower realm of th 5 foot mark. In the USA, a man who is only a little over 5', would get nowhere fast with women. I really feel for those guys. I don't know how they deal with it. It reminds me of when I was really skinny and women would tell me to my face, that I was so skinny, it made me look wimpy. Of course, I never had any women attracted to me back then. But at least it was something that is changeable. But a man with a short stature is pretty well stuck with it for life.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by youlek

and it is not true there are no good men in Russia and they most of them drinks

My lovely lady got tired of looking for a good one...

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Originally Posted by youlek

Youlek is from Yulia (Julia)

She has the same name as you. (almost same age too, I think)

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by Testman

From the men I know who have been to the FSU, they all say that FSU women are more approachable and easier to get to know. I know of an American man who couldn't get any dates in the USA, so he went and lived in Ukraine for six months. In that short time there, he dated HUNDREDS of women. Why the difference in his success? Because he is not a super-social soap opera type of guy that American women have come to expect a man to be. And in Ukraine, the women there didn't require that trait in him. And thats also my reason for dating Ukrainian women. Its not so much that I think they are so much better, as it is I think they are more reasonable in their requirements for a mate.

"Reasonable" is the key word. Some "average" American women are overly picky. It's one thing for a women with "model" looks to be picky, but it astonishes me how many "average" American women that have demands that are totally unreasonable----and unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by youlek

Russian women do care about their place in this life- like career ... a job ... education ... maybe the differentce is that most of us are ready to sacrifise it all for a family..... or we can combine everything and the family doesnt suffer because of it.

Many(though not most or all)American women are not "team players". They expect the Man to make all the sacrifices, while they do practically nothing. A good relationship is equal parts effort and sacrifices/compromises by both parties.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

OzGuy, have you ever been to the FSU and met these women in person? I would guess no. Many, not all, of these women are different. As testman says, they are more approachable and their standards for a man are realistic. They want a man for who he is, not who he isn't. They are more feminine and do not wish to be "butch" like a man.

I think you already know the answer to that so I am wondering why you have asked let alone guessed.

Many women in every country are different, I honestly dont understand the fixation with women from the FSU with many guys, honestly it is like they have an image of a woman that just does not exist in the modern world.

Yes they are different but that is because they have different life experience. They live with different systems of doing things but they aren't exotic, they are just women who are attractive in their own way.

I dont want to argue on this, I just think that to many people have rose coloured glasses on. I also know that when the dream turns sour it can turn very sour very quickly. I think many guys would be surprised if they knew half of what I know about the life of women in the FSU and what some of them need to do to get on.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by freebird

My lovely lady got tired of looking for a good one...

She has the same name as you. (almost same age too, I think)

I am 27

Posted by: Zmejka

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Originally Posted by youlek

and it is not true there are no good men in Russia and they most of them drinks

I agree, i met many good men and even 2 or 3 of them could have become my future partners i believe - if i would have taken them more serious that time. But i was too young for that till I graduated from the University - so till i was in the last months of 21.
I could say the reasons why my friend was looking for Russian women - he was 24 then.
"In my own country I don't have too much experience with long term
relationships because I haven't been interested in them. I much more liked
to go party and have fun with friends.

This is also the reason why I know that I am now ready for the long term
commitment.

So now I am looking for the right person via the internet and for some
strange reason I am drawn to Russian women.

I am looking for a woman in Russia (or Russian speaking countries) for a
couple of reasons. First of all most Russian women are both intelligent as
well as loyal in their relationships.

When you look at most Western women, they are selfish and shallow. Another
difference is that most Russian women are more family oriented; they start
to think about a family sooner. Western women think about this when they are 35 and time is almost up. This also means they are so glad to have a child
that they spoil it, and the kid grows up badly. Of course this is not always
the case but these are some considerations I had".

I can compare though the common reason why both western men and fsu women choose each other. If western men spend a lot of money to bring and adapt fsu women, fsu women in their turn leave their family, job and familiar conditions and have to build practically everything all over again. So why do they bother to do it? Because they found someone compatible to them.
The reasons for women with children, divorced are clear - why they look for husbands abroad, i won't repeat them.
But what is the reason for young girls without children, who never have been married - to look abroad? On the first glance they have enough opportunities to meet local guys. Many do meet but not with many it becomes serious enough to the point of staying together for many years. The same was for me - i did meet a few good guys but didn't feel ready to commit - by the way those guys are now already happily married, good Russian guys don't stay alone long

And then a girl at a certain age can find that nobody is near.
How to find a guy? I always took internet as one more way to broaden your search. And yes, i had difficulty to meet guys just straight somewhere, i'm in general quite shy. So i started with placing my ad on city sites and meeting local guys. At one point i decided to place my ad on the international dating sites - at that moment it was more for fun for me and was just exciting to get letters and reply in foreign language. I didn't deceive anyone and didn't place "marriage" as my goal in my ad. I didn't think what will happen in the future, as i got tired at one point with local internet dating may be with time i would get have tired from the internation one and would have just stopped. But i met a nice guy and we decided to go further. Why not, i thought, why to wait for someone local and establish relationships while someone far away is aready found - so quickly by luck - and we have much in common? So we met and now i'm so much thankful that once we both decided to search online.
I agree that it was more simple for me - and for many young women - to move abroad - no big carrear behing the shoulders, no children. But i was not afraid if something went absolutely wrong - to return, i was positive to try it and see how it's working when living together. And it worked out perfect.
So i gave my reasons on behalf of young women and i believe the same reasons have young men.

Posted by: youlek

it is another myth that there are few good men in Russia.

I didnt search via the Internet, as I used to work in international dating, that's why I don't believe it.

But I met my soul mate not in my country

I never knew that it is possible to like everything in a man and to have so much in common.

I like sax music ... when I told it to him ... he said he plays sax

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by youlek

But I met my soul mate not in my country

I never knew that it is possible to like everything in a man and to have so much in common.

I like sax music ... when I told it to him ... he said he plays sax

cool, good to hear, the crazy Yulia finally found her man

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

cool, good to hear, the crazy Yulia finally found her man

crazy? no, I am sweet.
finally? I always had them ... just this one I like everything in him

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by youlek

crazy? no, I am sweet.

... ok then. Crazy in a sweet kind of way....lol

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finally? I always had them ... just this one I like everything in him

well i'm glad to hear you were able to narrow down into one guy :-)

take care of him and yourself.
May you live a wonderous and magical sweet life together

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

... ok then. Crazy in a sweet kind of way....lol

well i'm glad to hear you were able to narrow down into one guy :-)

take care of him and yourself.
May you live a wonderous and magical sweet life together

tks

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by youlek

it is another myth that there are few good men in Russia.

I didnt search via the Internet, as I used to work in international dating, that's why I don't believe it.

But I met my soul mate not in my country

I never knew that it is possible to like everything in a man and to have so much in common.

I like sax music ... when I told it to him ... he said he plays sax

Where is he from?

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by freebird

Where is he from?

Europe
none of us was in search ... we met by chance

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by youlek

Europe

Europe is a large place!

Where are you from in Russia if you don't mind my asking?

I wonder if opinions are different in the large cities than in other places?

I've only been to Ukraine, not Russia. {But I married a Russian, not a Ukrainian!}

I've also heard both sides from RW, some say that there aren't good men, others say that there are.

But the fact that you married someone from outside of your country is interesting too...

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by freebird

Europe is a large place!

I am not married ...yet...

those who say there are no good men in Russia either 1. lie to jastify their search abroad 2. losers or 3. dont know how to explain why they couldnt find a man in Russia.

I believe people are the same in any country.

Posted by: LilyNewbie

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Originally Posted by youlek

There ARE good men in Russia, but they are not enough for every good Russian woman.

Details:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.c...hp?topic=5404.0

Posted by: BluesTraveler

I totally agree with Youlek and Lily.

There are plenty of good men in Russia and FSU. Just as there are plenty of wonderful women in the US.

But I always think to myself; why limit your search? Why not look at all available options? If I meet a wonderful woman from USA, Canada, Germany, Russia, or China -- I am not going to be fixated by what postal address is, I am going to be fixated on the fact that she is a wonderful woman.

Posted by: Testman

Thanks for that link, Lilly. It's an eye opener and explains why Inna didn't think my pictures were recent. Something causes those guys there to age really fast after a certain point in life.

Posted by: youlek

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Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

I totally agree with Youlek and Lily.

There are plenty of good men in Russia and FSU. Just as there are plenty of wonderful women in the US.

But I always think to myself; why limit your search? Why not look at all available options? If I meet a wonderful woman from USA, Canada, Germany, Russia, or China -- I am not going to be fixated by what postal address is, I am going to be fixated on the fact that she is a wonderful woman.

yeah!

frflowr:

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by youlek

Russian women do care about their place in this life- like career ... a job ... education ... maybe the differentce is that most of us are ready to sacrifise it all for a family

or we can combine everything and the family doesnt suffer because of it

You sum it up very correct, the Russian/Ukrainian women do value a job, career, it gives them a feeling of having a place in the world, but unlike most Western woman the Russian/Ukrainian women value the home/family more and understand that without a good home, a job, career is meaningless.

and to qoute Raspberry "Many(though not most or all)American women are not "team players". They expect the Man to make all the sacrifices, while they do practically nothing. A good relationship is equal parts effort and sacrifices/compromises by both parties."

This has been my personal experience with AW and see it in many of my friends relationships. I search for something better, but also understand the great difficulties and do not blind myself to beleive the FSU woman is perfect or the solution to every question.

Posted by: deccie

While the good in FSU women is certainly very good indeed, the bad is also very, very bad.

As always, observe, observe, observe.

Observe how Russian women fight with each other - not pretty. Observe what Russians think of each other.. Does a Russian trust another Russian he/she is not related to by family? Probably not.

What Russians think about themselves says a lot about them.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Raspberry, Chillidog, and Deccie all good and valid points.

I totally agree with the "not team player" and "don't make sacarifies" to discribe the AW I've met. I also agree that the FSU women I met are more family oriented. May I also add that the FSU women I've met enjoy creating a happy family environment and concider themselves the boss in this realm. They don't expect and don't want their spouse doing this. In short, they enjoy being women and expect their men to be men.

Deccie's point about treatment to other is an interesting and valid. Yes the FSU women I've met are dramatic and have a short fuse. Call it being naggy or *****y. I turn this trait into a positive. They don't mix words and you know where you stand with them. If they are upset about something they will let you know. Thus, you can fix the problem immediately instead of festerring and becoming a bigger problem. Yes, a FSU person let's you know their opinion of you in a vocal manner when they get a chance!

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Raspberry, Chillidog, and Deccie all good and valid points.

I totally agree with the "not team player" and "don't make sacarifies" to discribe the AW I've met. I also agree that the FSU women I met are more family oriented. May I also add that the FSU women I've met enjoy creating a happy family environment and concider themselves the boss in this realm. They don't expect and don't want their spouse doing this. In short, they enjoy being women and expect their men to be men.

Deccie's point about treatment to other is an interesting and valid. Yes the FSU women I've met are dramatic and have a short fuse. Call it being naggy or *****y. I turn this trait into a positive. They don't mix words and you know where you stand with them. If they are upset about something they will let you know. Thus, you can fix the problem immediately instead of festerring and becoming a bigger problem. Yes, a FSU person let's you know their opinion of you in a vocal manner when they get a chance!

You are absolutely right. FSU women can be angry and whiney, but for a good reason, and certainly for just a short period of time. Unlike some AW who are never satisfied.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

You are absolutely right. FSU women can be angry and whiney, but for a good reason, and certainly for just a short period of time. Unlike some AW who are never satisfied.

HE HE HE - Yes, they give you both barrells, ask questions, re-load, and give you 2 more barrells ... and then it's over ... end of story! And yes, they usually have a good reason in doing so. Gotta love their honesty!

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I think for me I would much rather have this Double Barrel shotgun approach

, had the festering, and never let an argument die even if it took place 10 years earlier, I do not want that again, so please please please FSU women shoot me

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Raspberry, Chillidog, and Deccie all good and valid points.

Deccie's point about treatment to other is an interesting and valid. Yes the FSU women I've met are dramatic and have a short fuse. Call it being naggy or *****y. I turn this trait into a positive. They don't mix words and you know where you stand with them. If they are upset about something they will let you know. Thus, you can fix the problem immediately instead of festerring and becoming a bigger problem. Yes, a FSU person let's you know their opinion of you in a vocal manner when they get a chance!

I think the key point in this is when it is time to concede or compromise and when it is not. If you concede or compromise on everything I would contend that a Russian women isn't going to think much of you. The prevailing view seems to be one of "If he won't stand up to me how is he going to stand up to the interests of our family?"

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

I think for me I would much rather have this Double Barrel shotgun approach

, had the festering, and never let an argument die even if it took place 10 years earlier, I do not want that again, so please please please FSU women shoot me

OMG, I have been divorced from my #2 wife for 17 years and she still b*tches at me for stuff that happend 20 years ago.

My last ex was the same way, they would never let things die and move on.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by deccie

I think you are 100% correct. The FSU woman will state her point get upset, but she also expects the same out of her man, they want a strong man who has values and sticks to them, if he wimps out, then yes she would deffinitly view this as a weak man. I'm talking in general not every difference, but she does want a man who will stick up for what he believes is correct, and what is in the best interest of the family not just one individual, or someone who will run to mommie and ask her opinion to see what he should do.