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Posted by: youlek

My name is Mike Stupid. I am from the USA. It is the country which earth and the sun goes around. Recently I made a report on this subject and the teacher put an excellent mark.
Today I woke up early. As soon as I woke up I checked my weight. Bingo! I lost 200 gr. Now my weight is only 145 kg. But it was 146 kg a month ago. My dad said that if I didn’t lose weight, girls woulndt date me. As for me I prefer boys, it is so old-fashion to date girls.
I had breakfast after it. It was a dietical one- oat flakes with non-fat milk and two toasts with jam. I had 4 double burgers as a light dessert.
We had a great time during the breakfast. My dad and I had a competition- who can break wind louder. I won. I earned 5$, if my dad doesn’t give it to me till the evening, I’ll suit him.
My school is far from home- 500 mt. Thanks I have a car. That’s why it took me only an hour to get there, traffic jam didn’t take much time today. Lessons were boring. Our teacher of history was saying some silly things like that America was discovered by Kolumb. How do they let such people be teachers?! According to simple logic it is obvious that America was discovered by us, Americans. That’s why it is called America.
The lesson of geography was more interesting. There are so many interesting things, happening around us. For example, the teacher told us there is such a country as Africa. In its capital, Egypt, there are three cornered sky-scrapers, which angry Russian mummies live in. why can’t Russians leave us alone?
I went to Lesly for the party in the evening. There were 40 people. My friend, Jimmy, stole 2 bottles of beer from his father. We got drunk so much that barfed all the swimming pool.

7th April
Weekends! I wanted to sleep longer but my father made me play baseball on the lawn in front of the house. Firstly it was boring, but later I liked it. It is so interesting to throw a ball during 3 hours from 3 mt distance. It is highly intellectual sport.
Then my father made me watch Bush's speech. We had a great time eating pop-corn and listening to Bush. The president was saying how important it is to bomb everybody, otherwise these primitive countries won't understand what happiness America can bring them. I never understood why these idiots don't like our bombings. They would never taste coca-cola and burger without them, and as a result they wont build democraty. God, bless America, the country, ready to make happy every person. If somebody doesn't want to be happy, we'll force them.
After watching the president speech, we were signing the hymn and crying, realizing our greatness and divine mission, entrusted us by Lord.
We had a break-wind competition at supper again. This time our dog won. It did it so loudly, that our scared neighbours hid in the cellar, shouting «Russians are coming». We were luring them out till late at night. Then I contrived to tell them that there would be a sale in the nearest super-market tomorrow and they could buy an electric ass-wiper 10c cheaper. They jumped out quickly...
I made a decision- I’ll be a geographer. I also want to study this interesting science- Geometry.
Today it was an interesting lesson. Our teacher told us about a far away country, called Russia. I had already known a lot about this wild country. For example, it is common known that Russians are half bears and half humans, who eat vodka and birches, live in dens in taiga, burn the Kremlin and dance around it on holidays.
Now I think I know about Russia more than Russians. This country has American supplies of oil and gas. When we need them, we'll come to take them. There are also black and red caviar and vodka and pancake fields in Russia. Russians waste these resources in barbarian way- drinking and eating, depriving future American generations. A real empire of evil!
I visited the psychoanalyst after school. I visit him twice a week. He gives me advice and teaches me to live. Today he taught me to wash down in the toilet. And I always wondered why it smells in the toilet. I need to tell it to my family- they dont know about it yet.
We were playing Tetris in the evening. What a cool action! I plucked on the 3d level. I suffered the following porno sites after it www. pentagon.com è www. whitehouse.org . They are really exciting. Feeling satisfied by the spent day and my right hand I went to bed…

24th April
Today they taught us to count to 10 at the lesson of math. It is a difficult science. Now I understand why they start studying it only in senior classes. I counted to 7 and the teacher praised me, I praised him too.
We had a psychical training after it. While all my friends were spying upon the girls, taking the shower, I was spying upon the teacher of the psychical training. I was so interested that I didn’t notice that others had already taken the shower and was spying upon me.
Bob brought dad’s gun at the break and started shooting to the girls. It was great fun. The girls were squealing, trying to get hid, but Bob caught up with them and made the control shot. The police came and arrested Bob. I don’t know why. We were just having fun. They let us go home immediately.

8th May
Today the history lesson was not ordinary. The teacher told us how American soldiers captured Berlin and conquered Germany 28 years ago. I didnt know that in 1958 bloody dictator Saddam Hussein, who was the president of Germany that time, attacked London and started bombing its capital Warsaw.
Germans, riding tanks and bicycles, conquered Paris, Brussels, Kiev and Birobidjan. After Birobidjan was conquered, the USA lost patience and levied war.
Firstly Germans were bombed in Afghanistan, then in Syria and in the Disney land. Germans started retreating. American soldiers surrounded Germany and ruined all Berlin and raised the star-striped flag over the Eiffel Tower. Saddam Hussein was caught in the suburb of Berlin, where he was hiding in the basement of super-market. The bloody dictator was judged and condemned to penal servitude to the island of Saint Helena. All nations applauded to American soldiers, throwing flowers, fruits and vegetables to them. That was the end of the 2d World War. Now all dictators know: you can not run away alive from democracy.

sorry if there were mistakes, I was in hurry to share it with you

Posted by: AkMike

So what's the point of this? Is it a joke ? If so it's in the wrong section.
If it's an Americans are stupid thread.. Then yes some are like this but hardly the majority..
Substitute Russian for the American and Igor Putin for Mike Stupid and see if it's as funny...
Basicly I don't understand why you put this up...

Do you care to explain?

Posted by: youlek

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkMike

So what's the point of this? Is it a joke ? If so it's in the wrong section.
If it's an Americans are stupid thread.. Then yes some are like this but hardly the majority..
Substitute Russian for the American and Igor Putin for Mike Stupid and see if it's as funny...
Basicly I don't understand why you put this up...

Do you care to explain?

Some people say it is true

Posted by: AkMike

LMAO, "Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see."

If I were to have listened to the biased tales from long ago, and considered it current news I would have never looked behind the "Iron Curtain".

Posted by: Jerico

America will never take Russias oil.
Perhaps though we will take it from the Saudis it they keep raising the price of crude LOL.

If i believed all the crap about Russia i have heard , my wife would be pealing potatoes right now for dinner and keeping her man happy like all Russian women supposedly do for thier men.
Perhaps another myth I suppose ,

Jerry

Posted by: Testman

Well, maybe wrong place to post it, but I liked it. It's not completely true to the degree in which it is written, but in general, it seems more and more Americans are either not eating right, or something, that is making them so punchy. It would really hit the nail on the head if it was making fun of Americans undying desire to be politically correct all the time! That is something that no one would deny is true.

Posted by: redhawk

i thought it was fn hilarious!! it was a joke

this is unfortunately how we as americans are portrayed on state run TV in russia.
the other day,while i was talking to Lena on webcam,she had the TV on,and i overheard some crazy ****ski about the us,on ch1 russia. i had to laugh.according to the "news" in moscow- we as americans are all violent,we are all stipid, and we are all fat.

lololololol oh and i almost forgot,we have small penises too.

))and we think their are 10 eiffel towers in paris. what will they say when obama is president???

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by Testman

It would really hit the nail on the head if it was making fun of Americans undying desire to be politically correct all the time! That is something that no one would deny is true.

Here you are.

Guess who is going to be the next governor of the state of New York?

You gotcha! Half-Asian Female One-legged Afroamerican who is also lesbian

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by redhawk

i had to laugh.according to the "news" in moscow- we as americans are all violent,.

The world doesn't think ALL Americans are violent, we know you have had a bad rap over the years and all because we simply misunderstand what you are trying to do for the rest of us (us being the 1st 2 letters in USA). Lets ignore the wars, the shootings, the gun toting sweet talking everyday person who lives and dies by the right to bare arms.

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Originally Posted by redhawk

we are all stipid

American's aren't stupid, they just can't spell the word, lol.

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Originally Posted by redhawk

and we are all fat.

Supersize me!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by redhawk

lololololol oh and i almost forgot,we have small penises too.

))

You heard the line from Shreck with regards to Lord Farquad haven't you? Why on earth must American's have the biggest and best of everything if they AREN'T compensating for something, huh?

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Originally Posted by redhawk

and we think their are 10 eiffel towers in paris

Don't know about the Eiffel Towers but I do know for a fact that to many of your compatriots think roos hop around Sydney like bears walk around Alaska.

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Originally Posted by redhawk

what will they say when obama is president???

We might just think that America has finally moved on from the Kennedy influence, oh sorry I forgot Teddy is backing Obama isn't he.

Posted by: Pin Boy

youlek is dangling the bait, as usual, and you're all biting. why even even sniff it?

pin boy

Posted by: nocomfortzone

cheeky and somewhat funny girl.

I'm just glad the russians and americans did not blow us all up.
If i was born in either part of world I'd feel much better being born in Ukraine or Canada than either of the crazier big countries with egos out of whack.

Thankfully I was not born near either and a long way from you crazies in northern hemisphere that take yourselves wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously....

now let me get back to planning the sinking of New Zealand....

Posted by: blucatz

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

We might just think that America has finally moved on from the Kennedy influence, oh sorry I forgot Teddy is backing Obama isn't he.

He's not backing Obama, I think he's backing Krispy Kreme, have you seen the size of him lately?

Posted by: BluesTraveler

The current trend on Russian TV / Media; is to make Americans the butt of the jokes. The same way a few years back Americans would make Polish or blond jokes. It doesn't serve any purpose. If it was observational humor it would be different. Not saying American humor is any better, but xenophobic jokes are crass.

Posted by: redhawk

while i agree, entirely about USA's encroachment on other countries,( i voted for ron paul) read your own countries statistics about what happens to crime rates when your government took away your right to bear arms.we arent having it.

{in 2000,WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly}

the first step towards the goosestep- "This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -ADOLF HITLER
first its little things,the govt tells you, you have to have a permit for this or that,ok no problem. then govt tells you that you have to register to live somewhere,or have id, even tells you what breed of damn dog you can and cannot have.
everything has to be on record, so big brother can see everything anytime they want. you have no privacy. then government tells you in order to marry a foriegner,you have to go through a gut wrenching,very long drawn out expensive process only to line their greedy pockets and give them further control..in effect,denying you of the basic HUMAN right to marry whomever you so choose,whenever you choose to do so.

finally, they take away your guns.
what will you do if you are faced with a life threatening situation such as a car jacking with multiple attackers? throw keys? I prefer lead,17 rounds of it at 40 caliber. and most americans would agree.
perhaps we are more violent,because we have to be. LOTS of freedom,to do both good and bad.
some people cant handle this freedom,its why we have prisons.
if law abiding citizens dont have guns because of laws,do you really think crazy criminals who break the law as a matter of course will give a crap about the fact that they have a gun and its against the law? see my point? its not so easy to decide.I beleive not in a political party or organization,I beleive in each individuals right to his or her freedom,wherever that may be,until it disrupts someone elses.
what my government does,or does not do,does not define me,its what I do that defines me,and what do i think of australia? i personally think of the great barrier reef,farmers,and aboriginies.not roos,and the national geographic book i bought about your beautiful country when i was 10.

Posted by: nocomfortzone

I live in that state of Australia.

Guns just don't even enter my thoughts.

The pre-occupation with the topics of guns in USA is just plain weird. Maybe you just feel you need to protect yourselves from each other. Speaks volumes of the atmosphere there.

I feel safe where I live. There are looneys in ever country but I'm happy I can sleep here and not even lock the door where I live at night.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by redhawk

while i agree, entirely about USA's encroachment on other countries,( i voted for ron paul) read your own countries statistics about what happens to crime rates when your government took away your right to bear arms.we arent having it.

{in 2000,WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly}

the first step towards the goosestep- "This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -ADOLF HITLER
first its little things,the govt tells you, you have to have a permit for this or that,ok no problem. then govt tells you that you have to register to live somewhere,or have id, even tells you what breed of damn dog you can and cannot have.
everything has to be on record, so big brother can see everything anytime they want. you have no privacy. then government tells you in order to marry a foriegner,you have to go through a gut wrenching,very long drawn out expensive process only to line their greedy pockets and give them further control..in effect,denying you of the basic HUMAN right to marry whomever you so choose,whenever you choose to do so.

finally, they take away your guns.
what will you do if you are faced with a life threatening situation such as a car jacking with multiple attackers? throw keys? I prefer lead,17 rounds of it at 40 caliber. and most americans would agree.
perhaps we are more violent,because we have to be. LOTS of freedom,to do both good and bad.
some people cant handle this freedom,its why we have prisons.
if law abiding citizens dont have guns because of laws,do you really think crazy criminals who break the law as a matter of course will give a crap about the fact that they have a gun and its against the law? see my point? its not so easy to decide.I beleive not in a political party or organization,I beleive in each individuals right to his or her freedom,wherever that may be,until it disrupts someone elses.
what my government does,or does not do,does not define me,its what I do that defines me,and what do i think of australia? i personally think of the great barrier reef,farmers,and aboriginies.not roos,and the national geographic book i bought about your beautiful country when i was 10.

I haven't defended my countries statistics cause i know they are indefensible, but one thing I know for sure is with a population of about 22 mill, we will do alot less damage to each other than the USA with a population of about 300 mill and armed. I also know for a fact that armed assualt in australia have gone up but not armed with guns, it is weapons like knifes and clubs, and a wide array of asian weapons.

I also believe we have the right to individual freedom until we interfere with the rights of others having the same freedom but I also know as soon as some tosser pulls a gun in my country, even to defend themselves from others, my life expectancy will drop rapidly if I am in the vicinty. Now that is the ultimate in loosing individual freedom.

Posted by: Chillidog

Well, for myself I live in USA and do not understand what so ever the complete fixation with a America and owning guns, handguns, rifles whatever. When I was first married to my ex-wife she wanted to keep her hand gun in the house and I said absolutely no-way, then when our twins where born she again stated she wanted to keep a hand gun in the house. In short this is how the converstaion went--- where do you want to keep the weapon?---the night stand next to the bed----do you want to keep it loaded? Yes---with toddlers in the home you want a loaded hand gun in the night stand? (roughly a drawrer about 18 inches off the ground) she said no that would not be good, I won't have it loaded----so what happens when someone breaks in you will be panicing (she would panic at the drop of a hat) and trying to find the gun and load it in complete darkness, that will be wonderful!!!! Handguns for protection are a complete joke if you want my honest opionion. Just in the news today a blind women in Chicago was shot and killed whem answering her door, you tell me what owning a hand gun would have done for her? I will never be convinced that if we take away the right to own a hand gun that then "only the criminals and gang bangers" will have hand guns and we will not be able to protect ourselves to this is I say "BULL!" I guess all of the shootings at the colleges were done by the hardened criminals and gang bangers!!!!

I will get off my soap box now, but nothing stated will ever convince me that America or society is safer because we allow the ownership of handguns.

Posted by: Testman

Check this out. I just got it in a news letter. Its a Lithuanian girl's response to the jokes about Americans.

If what she says is true, it's no wonder we are seeing jokes like this.

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Yeah, I did get the European jokes about the Americans. Thanks. Though, no matter how much I hate to say this, it's not the joke, it's the sad truth about them. While I was there, I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the stupid questions they had for me. Usually the conversation would start cuz apparently I had an accent and they wanted to know where was I from. Once I told them that I was from Lithuania, the bigger part of them would stare at me as if I told them that I was from the other planet, and the others would try to guess which state was it in, or they would tell me that they have passed it on the way to Stone Harbor. Then naturally we would get questions like do we have electricity there and what language does Enrique Iglessias sing in over in Lithuania. The simple answer that we have subtitles on the radio would satisfy them. The more demanding ones would ask me what do I do with US dollars in Lithuania. So when I told them that I convert them to our national currency they didn't find it surprising that we have branches of the tree as bills and stones as coins. So I am very sorry to say, but Americans are the most dumb nation. maybe it's not right to say so, cuz Americans are mixture of different nations, but let's say that the dumbest people of all nations gather there

and no, I didn't mean to insult you, and sorry if I did.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Sorry to tell you Testman, its true mate. I have American friends and they are the same. I know this will get me blasted but I am going to say it anyway, half the crap that some (proud) American guys come out with on this site (I could name quite a few but I wont bother cause I haven't heard of them in a while) and then the biases that are very evident its no wonder that these jokes are around.

Posted by: Jerico

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Handguns for protection are a complete joke if you want my honest opionion.

Well as an American you still can have an opinion Chillidog.

Being an American myself I think owning handguns are a great thing.
I own quite a few weapons myself includung some questionable ones.
Guess what though , i am not shooting up schools or colleges.

Maybe some people it wont matter if someone breaks into their house and they get killed even with a gun.

There are many times however that the gun did in fact protect the homeowner. You just dont hear about it much on TV ( not in their agenda).
There was recently an incident where i live where a neighbor noticed some Mexicans breaking into his neighbors house. He approached them with a shotgun. They came at him with knifes and he shot them both dead.
They were illegals which account for 30 percent of the prison system here in the USA. They already had records of crime here in the USA also.
I was glad to hear he shot them!! They received a fair sentence IMO

Posted by: nocomfortzone

sorry, but have to agree Testman.

When it comes to things beyond their own country as a *generalisation* a lot of Americans do amaze with some ignorance that comes out. Some of it is just very funny. It is quite understandable though. In a country of over 300 million there is more than enough going on within USA and the many many states to not be very aware of much beyond the borders of USA. I heard this saying before and it kind of ring true in some aspects with quite a few Americans. If it ain't in America it ain't happening...

It is true of all countries to a degree though. You just can't know others places and cultures unless you immerse yourself there for some period of time or take time to take an interest. I knew almost nothing of Ukraine a couple of years ago apart from one of my favourite boyhood sporting heroes Alex Jesaulenko had his ancestry from there and was invited there by their government for some sporting hall of fame.

I get the sense some people from FSU have some residual contempt for America and Americans in general as a flow on of the cold war period.

Posted by: Pin Boy

good points NCZ. when people remark about how few americans have passports compared to other countries...america is so diverse in its geography and ecosystems that you can experience so many different environments without leaving the lower 48. i think many foreigners may not realize how much there is to see within america's boundaries. not many countries are like this and as easy to navigate.

pin boy

Posted by: Yeldarb

As an American who has traveled a good bit and had bought in somewhat to the whole "it's cool to hate America" mentality, I have come to realize your brand of stupid in your respective countries, is not better or worse than ours. Your flavor of stupid is just different and not marketed as well. The only difference is that with America and our dominance of many forms of popular media, we're really good at publicizing our dumbitude daily, in triplicate, ad hominem, hourly with wonderful shows like 'Cops' or even the daily news which delights in putting collective stupidity on a pedestal... That whole freedom of speech thing didn't come with a "but only in good taste" clause. And until recently we had the ecomonic ability (more so than most) to send tourists en masse to demonstrate varying forms of dumbness and ignorance in person internationally. I'm just saying it's marketing folks. We all have knuckle-draggers and mouth breathers in our respective gene pools around the world, just here in the US we seem to like to delight in showing them off to company.

Posted by: AkMike

LMAO!!! Well stated!

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Yeldarb: Well stated indeed. Two things Americans excel at are Marketing and Media. And since we are so good in both regards we air our dirty laundry better then most other countries. Not something to be proud of, but we do it anyways.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Jerico

As in everything there are always a different side to the story, and you are correct with the news you will only hear the "bad" and this does not just mean about guns, but it appears the only news that makes headlines is the "terrible" but even with that I still beleive that any loss of an innocent life is one less life too many, I brought up the college shoots just as an example (I live very close to Northern Illinois University that had shooting deaths just a few weeks ago) and your example of the protection of a neighbors home is an example of the reverse, of the good that come with ownership. I do not have a solution to the problem, I just know with ownership of a gun there is a great responsibilty to life and there are many that do not hold life in great regard. I know you posted not to change my views but to express your opinion and I appreciate your views even though they are 180% different from mine.

(additional statement)
Jericho, we do agree on the prison system and those that populate it, and the feeling that the judical system is inadiquate, that crimals are often are set free and illegals with criminal records are here in droves, so I think what we disagree on most is just principals of gun control

Posted by: Testman

Unfortunately, Western Europeans, do seem to be in the beginning stages of following in our footsteps. I heard this was so, and after going through Germany and Vienna, I can believe it now. Though, they are not as bad. . . Yet.

Posted by: sidney

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I will never be convinced that if we take away the right to own a hand gun that then "only the criminals and gang bangers" will have hand guns and we will not be able to protect ourselves to this is I say "BULL!" I guess all of the shootings at the colleges were done by the hardened criminals and gang bangers!!!!

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

You should also know that in Switzerland every citizen is trained in the use and has fire arms in every home. That is why their neutrality was honored by the Germans during WWII

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

I Thought you might appreciate this . . .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

The right to bear is part of our constitution. I feel it as one of our freedoms. I live where there is a 45 minute response time for police. I need more then a phone number for protection. A gun even levels the playing field for someone like my wife.
I have never known anyone who was killed by a gun. I have known many people who were killed by cars and motorcycles yet I don't want them banned.
If someone doesn't feel comfortable or confident there are no laws requiring ownwership. I choose to own and hopefully will never need to use it to protect my family or self. I do enjoy hunting as well as recreational shooting as does my family, friends and neighbors. I even had a silhouette range shoot from my front porch.
Sid

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Chilidog
You can't have your cake and eat it too. What a wonderful world it would be if we could have absolute gun control and yet just those that needed a gun to protect themselves would own one? My point here is, there is no happy medium. The fact of the matter is, if guns outlawed or not, outlaws will still have them, honest law abiding citizens won't.

I agree with you that any life loss is too many. But would you somehow feel better if they were killed clubbed to death with a baseball bat or gutted with a Bowie knife?

Posted by: clark

Sid,

Excellent post and point. We already have gun control and to my preference more than enough. Our founding fathers saw fit to insure our right to bear arms.. I do not fool myself in believing that it will always be that way. Our liberties have been systematically stripped away in just my lifetime and I don't expect it will stop there.

It's blantantly obvious I suppose to most I own weapons. Both for recreation and protection. Protection not because I am afraid but because I intend to survive. Everyone deserves this opportunity whether they choose to do so is their choice. IMHO

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by sidney

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

You should also know that in Switzerland every citizen is trained in the use and has fire arms in every home. That is why their neutrality was honored by the Germans during WWII

Actually their neutrality was honoured by the germans because it was honoured by everyone else and germany needed somewhere to put alot of their stolen possessions.

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Originally Posted by sidney

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

I Thought you might appreciate this . . .
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

For ages before the abolition of serfdom only the elites had guns anyway. The issue wasn't gun control the issue was what tosser was in power at the time.
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Originally Posted by sidney

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

During the Ottoman Empire guns were not a commodity that everyone could own as only the rich and powerful could afford them. Again the issue is not gun control and indefensibility but instead it is who is in power at the time and what they are willing to do to their own peoples.
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Originally Posted by sidney

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Another tosser episode and because of the people who were targeted a very touchy subject but nonetheless it was not gun control that was the issue as the people who were targeted could not easily obtain guns because of centuries of mistrust.
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Originally Posted by sidney

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

China was exterminating people left right and centre before gun control was put in place and because it was for all intents and purposes a very insular society the numbers before gun control was enforced will never be known.
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Originally Posted by sidney

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Don't know so cannot comment.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

From memory Uganda was a really severe situation anyway and I really doubt one person with a gun was going to hold back mobs of people that were intent on killing.
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Originally Posted by sidney

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Ah Indochina, another severe situation in which for years western influences played havoc with the indigenous order of things. By far the majority of the people who were killed in Cambodia were the inteligensia, who again most did not own guns anyway cause they didn't need them. The issue was a tosser not gun control.
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Originally Posted by sidney

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

Highly debatable figures Sid purely because, as can be shown in many cases the people who were targeted would not have had access to guns before gun control was instituted anyway.

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Originally Posted by sidney

The right to bear is part of our constitution. I feel it as one of our freedoms. I live where there is a 45 minute response time for police. I need more then a phone number for protection. A gun even levels the playing field for someone like my wife.
I have never known anyone who was killed by a gun. I have known many people who were killed by cars and motorcycles yet I don't want them banned.
If someone doesn't feel comfortable or confident there are no laws requiring ownwership. I choose to own and hopefully will never need to use it to protect my family or self. I do enjoy hunting as well as recreational shooting as does my family, friends and neighbors. I even had a silhouette range shoot from my front porch.

Your right to bare arms is respected as it was something that was apparently done democratically, but your rights to baer arms should NEVER impede others rights to feel safe. Unfortunately to many shootings in America occur when people who have the weapon that is their right to have suddenly have an issue with life and decide to take the lives of others. There are NO WORDS that anyone can say that will ever make sense stating that your right to bare arms is higher than anyone else's right to live.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

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Originally Posted by Testman

Check this out. I just got it in a news letter. Its a Lithuanian girl's response to the jokes about Americans.

If what she says is true, it's no wonder we are seeing jokes like this.

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Usually the conversation would start cuz apparently

Anytime I see someone write "cuz" and then call someone stupid, they really do lose all credibility -- it is like, the kettle calling out the pot.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

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Originally Posted by Testman

If what she says is true, it's no wonder we are seeing jokes like this.

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Sorry to tell you Testman, its true mate. I have American friends and they are the same.

Wow, your statement is truly offensive. Your willing to judge an entire country by a few individuals you have met, and some postings on a website. And if you think your American friends are unintelligent, why are you friends with them?

I always thought one of the great things about the Internet is that it allows you to hear a variety of opinions, ideas, information from around the world. And in this exchange it would reduce prejudice, bias, and xenophobia.

And the following comment is not directed at anyone...
The more I read on website forums, the more I think that it is impossible. The Internet may actually be increasing prejudices.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Actually their neutrality was honoured by the germans because it was honoured by everyone else and germany needed somewhere to put alot of their stolen possessions.

For ages before the abolition of serfdom only the elites had guns anyway. The issue wasn't gun control the issue was what tosser was in power at the time.
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During the Ottoman Empire guns were not a commodity that everyone could own as only the rich and powerful could afford them. Again the issue is not gun control and indefensibility but instead it is who is in power at the time and what they are willing to do to their own peoples.
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Another tosser episode and because of the people who were targeted a very touchy subject but nonetheless it was not gun control that was the issue as the people who were targeted could not easily obtain guns because of centuries of mistrust.
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China was exterminating people left right and centre before gun control was put in place and because it was for all intents and purposes a very insular society the numbers before gun control was enforced will never be known.
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Don't know so cannot comment.
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From memory Uganda was a really severe situation anyway and I really doubt one person with a gun was going to hold back mobs of people that were intent on killing.
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Ah Indochina, another severe situation in which for years western influences played havoc with the indigenous order of things. By far the majority of the people who were killed in Cambodia were the inteligensia, who again most did not own guns anyway cause they didn't need them. The issue was a tosser not gun control.
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Highly debatable figures Sid purely because, as can be shown in many cases the people who were targeted would not have had access to guns before gun control was instituted anyway.

Your right to bare arms is respected as it was something that was apparently done democratically, but your rights to baer arms should NEVER impede others rights to feel safe. Unfortunately to many shootings in America occur when people who have the weapon that is their right to have suddenly have an issue with life and decide to take the lives of others. There are NO WORDS that anyone can say that will ever make sense stating that your right to bare arms is higher than anyone else's right to live.

Thank You, OGL

for stating the truths, those who beleive differently will use and twist information to their own beliefs.
I say to all and anyone, you look at all of the College shootings that have happened over the last decade or so, those who support ownership of guns, again these people doing the shootings were Hardened Criminals????? Gangbangers???? what is your solution????? to put a gun in every hand of these students at ALL TIMES so when someone who does begin shooting on these college campuses,the others are armed so everyone then can retaliate????? and then have a MASS FREE FOR ALL of gun fire?????
The only way a gun is good for personal protection is to carry this weapon with you 24/7, so is your solution to allow everyone to carry a gun with them at all times, just in case someone who is having a bad day decides to point his gun at you???
I really truly do not see guns as a means of personal protection, for recreational hunting YES, I do not have a problem with this, most senseless killing is not done with a rifle or shotgun.
it is your right to bear arms, I will not take that away from you, but my right to life is higher than any CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!!!!! and do not give me this crap about taking away guns and then there would be a astronomical rise in vilolence with killing someone with a club or a knife.

For everyones' information, I do not own a gun, and also I have never for one day locked any doors, even when I go to work my home is unlocked, and never once have I had any problems with entering my home.

My daughters at the age of 16 were back seat passangers to a drunken joy ride of of two boys which resulted in the car my daughters were in barrelling rolling 10 times a distance of 237 feet. The passanger in the front seat died 1 month later, the driver is parralized from the waist down, and my daughters to date have medical bills from operations totaling over $350,000 USD, and still some major surgies yet to be performed.

Sidney, this discussion is not about cars or motorcycles or even acholol, so why was this brought up as a defense????

Posted by: sidney

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Sidney, this discussion is not about cars or motorcycles or even acholol, so why was this brought up as a defense????

This was brought up as a personal view on unneccessary injury and death.

Like I stated. I don't know anyone that was ever shot and killed. So guns have not had an impact on my life, my friends or families lives. Most of my neighbors have guns. I would estimate 95 prcent or more. Even my grandmother had one. These are responsible lawabiding people.
I have many friends and some family that have died in auto accidents. I witnessed one autoi accident firsthand as has my wife also with a motorcycle.
To sum it up. Guns don't always equal shooting and death.
Look at the stats for south dakota and washington dc. One has gun control and one doesn't. They have roughly the same population. The difference is in the amount of gun related violence. Gun laws don't equate to no gun violence even though there are those who want to have us believe this.
Sid

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

Anytime I see someone write "cuz" and then call someone stupid, they really do lose all credibility -- it is like, the kettle calling out the pot.

The phrase is actually "the pot calling the kettle black" so making statements about credibility and stupidity really doesn't work when your mixing your metaphor's now does it! lol

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

Blues did I say EVERY American? No I didn't so get of your little high horse and stop being paranoid.

Just because someone doesn't know something will not discount me being friends with them. Just because it seems you and I have a difference of opinion will not discount me discussing something with you.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by sidney

Gun laws don't equate to no gun violence even though there are those who want to have us believe this.
Sid

Mate who wants to believe this? Has anyone here said that in this discussion?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Thank You, OGL

You are most welcome chillidog.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by sidney

Does needing to know someone that was killed by a gun, change the tragedy of a life being lost? We can draw correlations to ownership of dogs, that there are "no bad dogs only bad owners" is this not the same as what gun owners say---- guns don't kill people do.
I agree that just having gun laws does not equate to "no gun violence" but I do not read anywhere anything by gun owners addressing concerns about the college shootings that I bring up, these acts were not performed by "Hardened criminals" only people like "clark" will write that outlawing guns will lead to increased "deaths by clubbing or baseball bats or being gutted by a bowie knife" what kind of reasoning is that?

or that then only the outlaws and criminals will have guns.
Does this mean we should just look the other way and accept the fact that innocent people are killed by guns.
Again and I agree that most owners of guns are law abiding people who hold life in the utmost regard, but let us also remember this "Constitutional right" was written and implied to regards to our Militia and their abilty to protect and defend our country in it's infant stages, it was not written or intended to encompass the general populace, it is only in the many years following that the courts ruled to interpret this to the general population.

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let us also remember this "Constitutional right" was written and implied to regards to our Militia and their abilty to protect and defend our country in it's infant stages, it was not written or intended to encompass the general populace, it is only in the many years following that the courts ruled to interpret this to the general population.

Not true. Read it again.
Amendment II (the Second Amendment) of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights declares a well-regulated militia as "being necessary to the security of a free State" and prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." The meaning of the Second Amendment is one of the most misunderstood and disputed among the entire Bill of Rights.[1][2]

One key controversy revolves around who is prohibited from infringement and whether the Second Amendment prohibits individual States from infringing upon this right.[3] The most recent Supreme Court precedent, from 1875, is that the Second Amendment is only a limit on the power of the federal government, (see United States v. Cruikshank) but some people contend that it extends to state jurisdictions.[4]

Another major point of contention is whether it protects an individual right to personal firearms[5] or a collective State militia right.[6] At present, two of the thirteen federal circuits have adopted an individual rights view. A Second Amendment case is currently under review by the Supreme Court (District of Columbia v. Heller), having been granted certiorari, to resolve this jurisdictional split.[7] There is also a "modified collective" view that holds the right is protected for individuals to bear arms based on their needs while serving in a militia.[8]

Other points of disagreement include the meaning of the militia clause[9] and the meaning of infringement, in other words, at what point does reasonable regulation of firearms constitute infringement?[10][11] All federal courts have found that reasonable firearm regulation is allowable, while an outright firearm ban is currently the subject of Supreme Court review in District of Columbia v. Heller.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by sidney

Look at the stats for south dakota and washington dc. One has gun control and one doesn't. They have roughly the same population. The difference is in the amount of gun related violence. Gun laws don't equate to no gun violence even though there are those who want to have us believe this.
Sid

Again stats can be interpreted in any shape or form, Look at square footage between South Dakota and Washington DC. On a person per square foot area, a person in South Dakota could point a gun in any direction and not hit anything. It is also the facts that in highly populated areas crime will be more prevalent, all forms of crime, homicide, stealing, rape, vandalism, so for gun owners this is a great tool to point out that gun control does not work, Washington DC has gun control South Dakota does not. I believe (I have not researched this myself, so I may be shooting myself in the foot) if you look at the statistics that since Washington DC institued gun control, their overall rate of violent crimes has dropped significantly.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by sidney

Yes, I guess in point we are basiclly saying the same thing, as I stated it is the courts that are rulling on how the interpretation should be from what our founding father's wrote. It can be interpreted in different ways.
Could the writers of this "Right" have ever remotely imagined society today? do we now hide behind this right and use it as a crutch? is this law outdated?

Posted by: sidney

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for stating the truths, those who beleive differently will use and twist information to their own beliefs.

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I say to all and anyone, you look at all of the College shootings that have happened over the last decade or so, those who support ownership of guns, again these people doing the shootings were Hardened Criminals????? Gangbangers???? what is your solution?????

At the planning stage they became criminals. Last I heard it was against the law to plan mass killing, execute them or even posses a gun on campus.
In my book they are as bad a gangbangers or hardened criminals. Some were institutionalized for mental problems, filled out the forms by lying and obtained firearms unlawfully. Who do you blame. I feel a person should be responsible for their actions. There are people that shouldn't have guns as much as there are people that shouldn't have cars. It is the gun that kills.
Has having gun control laws kept gun violence from happening? not
Look at the most stringent gun control cities like DC and their gun violence is worse then cities with few gun laws. It looks to me like they don't work. Has drug laws kept drugs of our streets? not
Same goes for other forms of control. I know that you feel control is the solution but I feel it's the problem.
Sid

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Originally Posted by sidney

Do I believ a person should be responsible for their actions---most deffinitly.
If we do as you say, that there should be "no control", these criminals that conducted these mass killings would still have guns and would still have have committed these crimes. To me this is not a solution.
You write other things that would lead a person to believe that you feel there should be no laws or controls on anything, and we should just live in a hedionistic society (I know this is not what you mean).
So if I follow your reasoning I should just close my eyes and put my head in the sand and ignore everything around me, to just hope for the best?
Do I believe stronger gun control will stop criminals or future criminals from acquiring a gun--no, do I think it will end all forms of violence---no.
Do I believe we need to do something---yes,
I do believe violence in all forms is on the rise, what factors play a part in this?? could it be the economy? or a belief that the so called "american dream" has failed some people? the pressures to succeed? I am sure there are many.
So, yes I do feel stronger controls are needed, and it would be my hope that with these stronger controls these people who falsify there info, or have history of mental illness, will be kept from owning a gun, but I also know this is not the end all solution. Personally for me the stronger controls would be for weapons that can be conceled like hand guns.
I believe everyone has the right to protect themselves their homes and their loved ones.
What I disagree with the most is your thought and other "gun advocates" would allow a gun in every person's hands, no controls at all--- the thought of every idiot in America owning a gun is rather frightning, and you know as well as I do we have "a ton" of idiots who most deffinitly should not own even a butter knife let alone a gun living here.

Posted by: AkMike

CD, I think that if you'll explore a bit you'll find that vilolent crimes tend to go up where honest law abiding citizens are not allowed to own a firearm. I have seen threads and articles supporting this.
I think the criminals are less inclined to do bodily injury when the victim might have a gun. "An armed society is a polite society" seems to hold true.
I own firearms and have since I was 16, and I have yet to shoot anyone.
We have concealed carry laws here with no police permit needed.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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CD, I think that if you'll explore a bit you'll find that vilolent crimes tend to go up where honest law abiding citizens are not allowed to own a firearm. I have seen threads and articles supporting this.
I think the criminals are less inclined to do bodily injury when the victim might have a gun. "An armed society is a polite society" seems to hold true.
I own firearms and have since I was 16, and I have yet to shoot anyone.
We have concealed carry laws here with no police permit needed.

Mike there is a slight difference to your situation and the situation of the lower 48. The overall population in Alaska is not all that great so you may have a need to own a firearm for purposes that lower 48 city dwellers do not.

Lets think about this realistically cause people keep mentioning "honest law abiding citizens" when this topic comes up for discussion, if your society was so honest and law abiding then you wouldn't need the firearms to "protect yourself" would you? The issue is a lack of controllability in the USA, the American way is unable to keep the idiots under control in its own backyard so it still allows its people to carry firearms to "protect themselves". If instead of allowing people to carry a firearm and therefoer allowing the idiots of your society to carry one, because the majority of gun related news reports on tv here that concern America are of "good law abiding citizens" who have lost their way, maybe you should stop the "good law abiding citizens" from having them so when they do lose their way everyone else actually has a REAL chance to defend themselves.

Posted by: AkMike

Or continue to prosicute the criminals with stiff jail time (or the death sentence for using firearms during a crime) if and when the police catch them. Why punish the honest by denying them of the rights that the constitution gives them.

edit; I use my firearms not for protection from man but for protection and taking of critters. And yes I live in a city of 300,000 +...

Posted by: AkMike

In a recent Clinton News Network (CNN) poll 2/3's of the people don't agree with the left wingers at CNN. I'm amazed they even published it since it's different than their agenda.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/16/guns.poll/index.html

I'll bet Billary isn't sleeping too good at night.!

Posted by: AkMike

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From the "Harvard Journal of Law" no less
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And this came out of the Harvard Law School of all places! This needs to be widely distributed! Everything below my name here at the top is a directly copied quote (plagiarized if you prefer )
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In fact, many nations with high gun ownership have significantly lower murder and suicide rates.
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Harvard Journal Study of Worldwide Data Obliterates Notion that Gun Ownership Correlates with Violence
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy Confirms that Reducing Gun Ownership by Law-Abiding Citizens Does Nothing to Reduce Violence Worldwide

By now, any informed American is familiar with Dr. John R. Lott, Jr.'s famous axiom of "More Guns, Less Crime." In other words, American jurisdictions that allow law-abiding citizens to exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms are far safer and more crime-free than jurisdictions that enact stringent "gun control" laws.

Very simply, the ability of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms has helped reduce violent crime in America.

Now, a Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy study shows that this is not just an American phenomenon. According to the study, worldwide gun ownership rates do not correlate with higher murder or suicide rates. In fact, many nations with high gun ownership have significantly lower murder and suicide rates.

In their piece entitled Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and some Domestic Evidence, Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser eviscerate "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths." In so doing, the authors provide fascinating historical insight into astronomical murder rates in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and they dispel the myths that widespread gun ownership is somehow unique to the United States or that America suffers from the developed world's highest murder rate.

To the contrary, they establish that Soviet murder rates far exceeded American murder rates, and continue to do so today, despite Russia's extremely stringent gun prohibitions. By 2004, they show, the Russian murder rate was nearly four times higher than the American rate.

More fundamentally, Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser demonstrate that other developed nations such as Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark maintain high rates of gun ownership, yet possess murder rates lower than other developed nations in which gun ownership is much more restricted.

For example, handguns are outlawed in Luxembourg, and gun ownership extremely rare, yet its murder rate is nine times greater than in Germany, which has one of the highest gun ownership rates in Europe. As another example, Hungary's murder rate is nearly three times higher than nearby Austria's, but Austria's gun ownership rate is over eight times higher than Hungary's. "Norway," they note, "has far and away Western Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate. The Netherlands," in contrast, "has the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe (1.9%) ... yet the Dutch gun murder rate is higher than the Norwegian."

Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser proceed to dispel the mainstream misconception that lower rates of violence in Europe are somehow attributable to gun control laws. Instead, they reveal, "murder in Europe was at an all-time low before the gun controls were introduced." As the authors note, "strict controls did not stem the general trend of ever-growing violent crime throughout the post-WWII industrialized world."

Citing England, for instance, they reveal that "when it had no firearms restrictions [in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries], England had little violent crime." By the late 1990s, however, "England moved from stringent controls to a complete ban on all handguns and many types of long guns." As a result, "by the year 2000, violent crime had so increased that England and Wales had Europe's highest violent crime rate, far surpassing even the United States." In America, on the other hand, "despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence in the 1990s."

Critically, Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser note that "the fall in the American crime rate is even more impressive when compared with the rest of the world," where 18 of the 25 countries surveyed by the British Home Office suffered violent crime increases during that same period.

Furthermore, the authors highlight the important point that while the American gun murder rate often exceeds that in other nations, the overall per capita murder rate in other nations (including other means such as strangling, stabbing, beating, etc.) is oftentimes much higher than in America.

The reason that gun ownership doesn't correlate with murder rates, the authors show, is that violent crime rates are determined instead by underlying cultural factors. "Ordinary people," they note, "simply do not murder." Rather, "the murderers are a small minority of extreme antisocial aberrants who manage to obtain guns whatever the level of gun ownership" in their society.

Therefore, "banning guns cannot alleviate the socio-cultural and economic factors that are the real determinants of violence and crime rates." According to Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser, "there is no reason for laws prohibiting gun possession by ordinary, law-abiding, responsible adults because such people virtually never commit murder. If one accepts that such adults are far more likely to be victims of violent crime than to commit it, disarming them becomes not just unproductive but counter-productive."

John Lott couldn't have stated it better himself

Posted by: Spakoyna

Never thought I would enter a firearms conversation on the RMP!

I have been in a situation twice in my life where I was in a position I could have legally killed someone. They were both stood down because I had a gun! No one was shot but the perpertrator received the surprise of his life!

I believe the majority of violence which is born today comes from all the crap on TV and now all the violent video games. I was influenced by the TV. Remember the old wrestling? I was at a summer camp when I was 10. They had an event when all the campers wrestled their cabin leader. I went into the pile with a knee! Hey, that's the way they did it on TV! I was almost sent home.

There is no way to eliminate guns from a democratic society...any other for that matter. Would I voluntarily hand in my guns if they were outlawed? H*LL NO! Look how many gun crimes there are in Kenesaw,Ga. Gun ownership is mandetory! You might be surprised! Makes a difference when the lowlife slim knows you are on even turf.

I think if the US was ever invaded it would make the Muslim terrorists look like Panzies!

Posted by: AkMike

CD and OGL,
If you want to read a document by the Dept of Justice dealing with the 2nd Amendment I suggest you look at this.

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.pdf

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I think if the US was ever invaded it would make the Muslim terrorists look like Panzies!

That is just not funny and is no wonder America gets into so much **** when its citizens throw stuff like this around as a joke.

Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

That is just not funny and is no wonder America gets into so much **** when its citizens throw stuff like this around as a joke.

I sincerely doubt that he meant it to be funny. Facts are facts.
It'd take a very determined foe to think of taking an armed country.

Posted by: Spakoyna

Oz Guy! I can assure you,

that is no joke!

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That is just not funny and is no wonder America gets into so much **** when its citizens throw stuff like this around as a joke.

Posted by: Spakoyna

LOL! I guess I better get back to the range! Your trigger's been faster than mine twice tonight!

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I sincerely doubt that he meant it to be funny. Facts are facts.
It'd take a very determined foe to think of taking an armed country.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I think if the US was ever invaded it would make the Muslim terrorists look like Panzies!

If it wasn't supposed to be funny then why the green smile. Am I missing something here about American humour?

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LOL! I guess I better get back to the range! Your trigger's been faster than mine twice tonight!

Used a LOL here to with lo and behold the same green smile.

COme on guys how am I supposed to think anything different?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by AkMike

I sincerely doubt that he meant it to be funny. Facts are facts.
It'd take a very determined foe to think of taking an armed country.

What fact are we talking about Mike? I am referring to the Muslim terrorist remark which considering the FACTS as they are regarding America and Islam then I think it was a bad joke.

As for the invading an armed country many countries have been armed yet invaded before. Empires have fallen and so have countries. Lets consider 2 recent occurrences, Iraq? Afganistan?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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From the "Harvard Journal of Law" no less

Mike I am saving space by not quoting the entire article here. Could you do me a favour and list the references used in this article? Any scholarly piece should have references but I see none on the article and considering its a Harvard article it should have the references within the article itself (the Harvard referencing system references within the article, the footnoting system references at the bottom of each page).

Posted by: Spakoyna

Man you have me rollin here! That my friend is a smile of confidence! I have no doubt if the US was invaded you would not see the crap you read about on the news. You would see the Rappers and the Bible Thumpers side by side to expell who ever tried to take our freedom.

I have a question??? If your country was invaded and you were confronted by the invaders,what would you do???? Would you join a group that wanted to confront your invaders???

I will tell you this! If I saw my country being overrun I would go into GIHAD MODE!

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If it wasn't supposed to be funny then why the green smile. Am I missing something here about American humour?

USed the green smile here to with lo and behold the same green smile.

How am I supposed to think anything different?

Posted by: Chillidog

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AkMike,
thank you for your input in this post and the following posts you have made. My whole contention from the very start is not about 90%+ of people like you who have never and will never kill a person, I have never questioned that most people are very respectful of life in general, and I have never brought up the subject of "invasion" but it has been brought up by others as a means to justify gun ownership and you agree with the statments, that because we as a country allow the owning of guns would make an invasion of USA make "Muslins terriorists look like Panzies"! (I know this is particular statement is not your statement), but if this is true about invasion and gun ownership do you or anyone believe if we or any country were to invaded Russia (statements in your posts that they do not allow guns, and therefore based on these statments should be an easy target) that we would be successful???? because this country forbide the ownership of guns. WE WOULD GET OUR ARSE KICKED!!!!! as would any country that tried to invade the USA!
the statement of "Muslim terriorists look like Panzies" truth or not this is truly a rediculous statement! and it does lend to the stereotype of "Americans pumping their chests and looking like fools"

Posted by: Spakoyna

I am beginning to draw the conclusion of the pompass ass theory!

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AkMike,
thank you for your input in this post and the following posts you have made. My whole contention from the very start is not about 90%+ of people like you who have never and will never kill a person, I have never questioned that most people are very respectful of life in general, and I have never brought up the subject of "invasion" but it has been brought up by others as a means to justify gun ownership and you agree with the statments, that because we as a country allow the owning of guns would make an invasion of USA make "Muslins terriorists look like Panzies"! (I know this is not your statement), but if this is true about invasion and gun ownership do you or anyone believe if we or any country invaded Russia (statements in your posts that they do not allow guns, and therefore based on these statments an easy target) that we would be successful because this country forbide the ownership of guns???? WE WOULD GET OUR ARSE KICKED!!!!! as would any country that tried to invade the USA! "Muslim terriorists look like Panzies" truth or not this is truly a rediculous statement! and it does lend to the stereotype of "Americans pumping their chests and looking like fools"

Posted by: Jerico

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Protection not because I am afraid but because I intend to survive.

Clark hit this right on the head.

Some people say your crazy to own so many guns and why do you keep lots of canned food?
Well because you never know what will happen these days.
Its called being prepared for whatever the future brings.

jerry

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I am beginning to draw the conclusion of the pompass ass theory!

Thanks for the name calling, where do you see the pompass ass in me? I apreciate AkMike's posts, I think they are of merit.

Posted by: Jerico

IMO the government could not protect its citizens if we were attacked in some way.
Hell , illegals poor over our borders in droves and nothing is done.
The government appeases Muslim groups which slowly bite at our way of life , little by little.
Sorry but I dont want to pray to Mecca 4 or 5 times a day ( whatever it is)
Surely you people see this.

As i have said before in other gun type post , Hitler would be grinning from ear to ear hearing some of the anti gun remarks in this thread.
This is exactly how dictatorships start.
JMO
Jerry

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I will tell you this! If I saw my country being overrun I would go into GIHAD MODE!

Roll away then Spak cause your showing me how ignorant you are of how others feel.

I would defend my country but I WOULD NEVER make jokes about others when referring to it in order to make myself look cool or big. Seriously mate thats the problem there is always someone for you lot to pick at in order to make yourselves feel good about yourselves. Dont you think its time you lot did things without being slack about it? Give it a rest hey.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I am beginning to draw the conclusion of the pompass ass theory!

Again your picking to make yourself look cool.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Um jerry this is the type of thing that happens when paranioa reigns supreme, building bunkers to store canned food because the people who you dont like might just blow you all to kingdom come with nukes. Dont you see it? America thrives on the everyone else is out to get us conspiracy theory, so we have to protect ourselves and pre-empt anything that may happen. The problem is when you pre-empt it you get yourself into more crap that you cant get out of and make even more enemies.

BTW the Nukes never come did they.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerico

IMO the government could not protect its citizens if we were attacked in some way.
Hell , illegals poor over our borders in droves and nothing is done.
The government appeases Muslim groups which slowly bite at our way of life , little by little.
Sorry but I dont want to pray to Mecca 4 or 5 times a day ( whatever it is)
Surely you people see this.

As i have said before in other gun type post , Hitler would be grinning from ear to ear hearing some of the anti gun remarks in this thread.
This is exactly how dictatorships start.
JMO
Jerry

I too do not want to pray to Mecca either, but this and illegals in America is not the result of gun control. If it were me I would say the whole Government has failed us, and we should over throw it and go back to what the true Ideas were of our founding fathers were for our country, our ideals are good, to me none better in the whole world, we elect officals based on a democracy but once in power we have lost the power as a people to control our destiny (in a generaliztion). I would hope at least in America a Hitler type would not come to power, but Bush is pretty close.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Jerico

IMO the government could not protect its citizens if we were attacked in some way.

Your government Jerry you do something about them hey, instead of telling the rest of us we should carry a gun.

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Hell , illegals poor over our borders in droves and nothing is done.

Again your government mate.

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Originally Posted by Jerico

The government appeases Muslim groups which slowly bite at our way of life , little by little.

Still your govenrment

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Sorry but I dont want to pray to Mecca 4 or 5 times a day ( whatever it is)

Then dont but dont tell me the best way to not have to pray to Mecca is by having a gun, its your government that is doing this to your country. You having a gun isn't helping the situation any is it.

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Surely you people see this.

All I see is a guy clutching at straws to prove an indefensible argument and blaming everyone else for the woes of his country when the actual problem is the government his own people voted in.

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Originally Posted by Jerico

As i have said before in other gun type post , Hitler would be grinning from ear to ear hearing some of the anti gun remarks in this thread.

A senseless and tasteless remark that you need to think about before you ever repeat it cause its an insult to all the people who died during WW2.

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Originally Posted by Jerico

This is exactly how dictatorships start.

Crap Jerry, Dictatorships start because the people of the country of the Dictator allow the Dictator to DICTATE. Ah reminds me of the USA and GWB telling the rest of us we should be like them.

Posted by: Jerico

Ya i know OZ,
It sounds crazy to prepare for the anything can happen syndrome.
I say i have food stored. Probably 2 months worth is all.Not much.
Ya more than likely nothing will happen here but it could happen so whats wrong to prepare a little bit. Nothing.

We have had civil unrest here before. It could happen again.
Remember the LA riots?
I sure do.

Posted by: AkMike

Oz look up the website for the Harvard article... Do a search.

It's very clear that you are very set in your beliefs and several of us are diametricly opposed. It'll benifit no one to continue this thread. We're not going to change your views and you're surely not going to change ours.
I'm outta here

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerico

Ya i know OZ,
It sounds crazy to prepare for the anything can happen syndrome.
I say i have food stored. Probably 2 months worth is all.Not much.
Ya more than likely nothing will happen here but it could happen so whats wrong to prepare a little bit. Nothing.

We have had civil unrest here before. It could happen again.
Remember the LA riots?
I sure do.

Yeah Jerry I remember the LA riots, it went for so long because your government cant control your people.

Hurricane Katrina, your government took to long to get things happening.

What other negative things are there that you would like to blame on others that are actually because of your government? Come on mate stop the paranoia.

I never said it was crazy to store 2 months food. I live out of town and quite frankly dont want to have to go shopping every week, fortnight or month. So we do a big shop and get, wait for it, 2 months worth of food. The difference between you and me is, I get that much food cause I dont want to go shopping, you get it cause your "being prepared" for something that 99.99999999999999999999999% chance wont happen and if it did you wouldn't survive it anyway.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Oz look up the website for the Harvard article... Do a search.

MIke you supplied the article you prove its veracity, if you cant then its not something that should be taken seriously at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkMike

It's very clear that you are very set in your beliefs and several of us are diametricly opposed. It'll benifit no one to continue this thread. We're not going to change your views and you're surely not going to change ours.
I'm outta here

Nothings clear at all actually, if you can show me the benefit of having something I would consider it but NOT ONE of the arguments put forth here in this or any other thread on this matter ever makes a valid argument for guns in the general populace. Instead we are fed questionable stats that can easily be debunked and articles claiming truth that are unverifiable.

What really gets me is when Americans say facts about Australia and its gun laws stating that since gun control armed crime has risen when in actual fact gun crime has decreased but crime with other weapons has increased and the reality is crime is steady state anyway.

Your people are the ones making the statements about other countries and your people never give verifiable proof.

Posted by: Jerico

Hurricane katrina was not the govs fault.
The people were told to leave New Orleans but some chose to stay.
Then the levee broke and flooded the town. They blame the government for not helping fast? , please.
They were told to leave and didn`t.
Sometimes people have no one to blame but themselves.
There is still adds to help katrina victims.

The LA riots?
They got out of hand because the police were afraid to do anything for fear of being called racist.
You were not hear when that happened, I was.
I was so pissed off at the situation that I almost went down there to help the store owners protect their stores.
We had some incidents happen at my work aslo ( Molatov coctail thru window)
YA the gang banger types ( you no who i talk about) were trying to start civil unrest.
When i seen the video of the black guys beating up the white guy from the truck ( Reginal Deny) I was so angry you dont even no. They were just laughing about it. Ya i remember and trust me they would not be pulling me out of my vehicle. I would of just run them all over .

I agree that OUR government does allow these types of things to happen because they have grown weak to political correctness.
Illegals poor into our country everyday yet you hear nobody running for president talking about it.
All they talk about is free medical care for everybody or Gay rights , ya thats what i am concerned about, sure.
Not the Muslims or terrorist or illegals noooooo!!!
Cant tackle the real issues in this country.
So yes are gov is weak just like yours i imagine.

I really dont recall the last time the USA pushed down the Aussy`s throat our belief system. Why Oz do you care so much what the USA does? Try changing your own govs policys first then worry about ours.Of course Austrailia is perfect ,i forgot.

Posted by: AkMike

Gee I've looked all over for that copy of the journal and it looks as if it was thrown out.
It was sometime last summer. I had that stashed in the `puter.

Posted by: AkMike

Oz, Since you've never had the right to own a gun , even before the 97/98? gov't buyback you really don't know what it means. It really doesn't do any good to argue about something you can't and don't have.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerico

Hurricane katrina was not the govs fault.
The peop