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Posted by: Buckeye5704

Well, even I know that if a Ukrainian woman starts signing her letters to you with "I send you hugs and kisses" it's a good thing. Or should be if she's legit.

My question is; Once she does that can I assume it is ok to use some of the "Tender Words" in my letters to her.

We are making arrangements for our first phone call now and I think that will happen this week. We have exchanged over ten letters to each other and she continues to be warmer toward me and eager to meet. She has not even hinted at "I want you forever" or anything like that, though she is (as they all are) very open and candid as too why they are looking.

Ok, so another question while I'm editting here. Her birthday is next week. What color flowers should I choose. I know from my Army days in Germany thta red was the big enchelada,

yellow for friends and white for funerals. I read EM's info on the Russian custom, are the Ukrainians similar in that?

So I welcome your thoughts,
Tim

Edit: OOPS! I meant to put this in the dating forum but musta clicked the wrong line.

Posted by: blucatz

Sure, why not? They are women just like in the rest of the world, they like to be romanced, even more so in my opinion. That is something they are not really used to. From what I have heard, they typical Russian male, or Ukranian, is not very emotional and does not express his feelings freely. That is something my Lady tells me she like allot about me, I tell her how I feel about her, although, the "L" word has never been said yet between us, for we havn't met in person yet, there are strong feelings between us. I have told her that she is an important part of my life now, that it would be empty without hearing her voice every week. We have gotten used to each other now and the only thing left to bind everything all together is the meeting. But, I will hold my emotions in check until then, I don't fall in love with emails, pics, cam images and phone calls, I need the personal touch of seeing her and her body language and the expressions on her face while we talk to send this relationship into overdrive if thats whats meant to happen.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Knew I could count on a fellow Buckey.

Thanks

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Knew I could count on a fellow Buckey.

Thanks

As I see your current mood is "Buzzed"

I will overlook the fact that you forgot an "e" on the end of Buckeye

Posted by: AkMike

I doubt that you'll get much option about the color. Maybe? Just go with red and make sure it's an odd number of poseys.
BTW, I used to live nextdoor to the 'buckey's'.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by AkMike

I doubt that you'll get much option about the color. Maybe? Just go with red and make sure it's an odd number of poseys.
BTW, I used to live nextdoor to the 'buckey's'.

Yes, always send "odd" numbers of flowers, even numbers are for Funerals and from my own past experinces do not send Grazdika's (carnations) these are for funerals also.

regarding "tender words" go with what you feel, your heart and feelings appear to be in the correct place, let it flow naturally for you. Other than distance, and time together, this is no different when it comes to the heart

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

My question is; Once she does that can I assume it is ok to use some of the "Tender Words" in my letters to her.

Sure. The more ‘sweet talk’, the better. Most women love it.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Thanks everybody.

NOT that kinda buzzed.

I have to look at the keyboard and forget to look at the screen before I hit send all too often.

So I'll just do what feels is right and treat her like I would any lady I date. Now I gotta cool things off with a couple others.

Odd nunmbers, right! I remember that (now you mentioned it) from the initial reading I was doing at EM's.

Now off to work I go,

Thanks again,
Tim

Posted by: Chrismc

Buckeye

Don't send yellow flowers, they are traditionally for funerals or bad news, if she is supersticious you will be in trouble, I can't believe no one else has already mentioned that.

Yellow flowers should be used with care since in some regions of Russia and Ukraine there is still an old prejudice saying that it is a sign of bad luck and signifies the end of the affair. Still some women love yellow flowers, but I would advise using only with great care and until you got to know her better.

Also I find it odd you have not spoken to her yet?? I would be doing that after just one or two emails if things looked to be going well. You get a much better feeling for a person over the phone than in letters.

Chris

Posted by: clark

Buckeye
If you like this lady at ALL and are sending flowers, red roses are the way to go especially for the first time sending flowers. Also, don't go on the cheap, send her 11 or 13 or more. It is also a nice touch to send something else as well, Think chocolates, a fruit basket, cake or some champagne. Red roses are always a winner and it will be a good conversation starter after she receives them as to what kind of flowers she likes the most for future ocassions.

Hell yes, go with the tender words. All women love that, but I caution you to not get too sappy or sexually explicit (goes without saying I suppose). I too would wonder why you haven't spoken after 10 traded emails. Would you have waited this long to speak to her if she lived across town? Has she not pressed you for a phone call or have you avoided it?

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Ok, odd number of red roses it is. I plan to send them through Fiance so... I might check out russianservice.com or is it the other way? Thoughts?

We have been just taking our time writing is all. No particular reason. I was under the impression that things tended to move a little slower than here, but I'm glad to be wrong about that. Also, I have been writing to several ladies at once and I am still. I'm not to jump headlong on the first one to say kisses and hugs. Bottom line though Elena "feels" really good and comes off as sweet. We'll be yakkin it up soon. I gotta check my Vonage plan. I added a europe plan and I think Ukraine is on it.

Edit: Also, we're matching up our schedules so we can make it happen. I hope tomorrow on my lunch break.

And I'm sorry but I'm just not made of money here. I gotta pay the rent and all. I wasn't fully prepared for this and have some catching up to do in the funding dept. Fortunately her English is level 8 on the site chart so we may be able to talk direct without a third wheel on the line with us. I'll have an interpreter though if we need one.

Thanks,
Tim

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

And I'm sorry but I'm just not made of money here. I gotta pay the rent and all. I wasn't fully prepared for this and have some catching up to do in the funding dept.

Thanks,
Tim

I'll be honest with you here Buckeye, there is nothing cheap about courting and visiting a possible FSU bride. It takes a certain degree of disposable income to pull this off even in the best of circumstances. I don't know your financial situation and do not want to know but, perhaps you should do some more reading on this forum and other forums. There is nothing easy about this endeavor. Writing and sending the initial emails is as cheap and easy as it'll get should your progress any farther. I certainly do not want to burst your bubble but make sure you know what your getting into. Sure it is easy to make yourself believe in the beginning that this is what you want. But can you look at the man in the mirror and say "I'm going to do this " and it be the truth?

I only bring this up because every keyboard romeo makes it harder for the next sincere man that does want to do this. Just something to think about.

Good luck and be prepared.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Ok, odd number of red roses it is. I plan to send them through Fiance so... I might check out russianservice.com or is it the other way? Thoughts?

We have been just taking our time writing is all. No particular reason. I was under the impression that things tended to move a little slower than here, but I'm glad to be wrong about that. Also, I have been writing to several ladies at once and I am still. I'm not to jump headlong on the first one to say kisses and hugs. Bottom line though Elena "feels" really good and comes off as sweet. We'll be yakkin it up soon. I gotta check my Vonage plan. I added a europe plan and I think Ukraine is on it.

Edit: Also, we're matching up our schedules so we can make it happen. I hope tomorrow on my lunch break.

And I'm sorry but I'm just not made of money here. I gotta pay the rent and all. I wasn't fully prepared for this and have some catching up to do in the funding dept. Fortunately her English is level 8 on the site chart so we may be able to talk direct without a third wheel on the line with us. I'll have an interpreter though if we need one.

Thanks,
Tim

Tim, I also have "Vonage" and "no" Ukraine is not on the Europe plan only Russia, (actually I do not think Ukraine is on any of their International plans) depending on where she lives in Ukraine it still will only cost you between .13-.16 cents a minute should not break the bank. If you do need a translator for the telephone calls there is some info on this forum of some web sites that offer this service at a much cheaper rate than the "Dating" sites will offer. I think it was GoForIt who recommend a couple to me that he used.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

Buckeye

Don't send yellow flowers, they are traditionally for funerals or bad news, if she is supersticious you will be in trouble, I can't believe no one else has already mentioned that.

Yellow flowers should be used with care since in some regions of Russia and Ukraine there is still an old prejudice saying that it is a sign of bad luck and signifies the end of the affair. Still some women love yellow flowers, but I would advise using only with great care and until you got to know her better.

Yes, completely forgot to write about the colors in my previous post, good catch

Thanks Chris

P.S. only about 2 weeks until you leave for Chebasky correct?

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Yes, completely forgot to write about the colors in my previous post, good catch

Thanks Chris

P.S. only about 2 weeks until you leave for Chebasky correct?

No Chilli, now its only 7 days, 0 hours, 58 minutes and 35 seconds

until I arrive in Chernivsty, 10 days later I get married

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

No Chilli, now its only 7 days, 0 hours, 58 minutes and 35 seconds

until I arrive in Chernivsty, 10 days later I get married

Fantastic!!!! Have a great wedding!!!!! is the time correct? we in the states just went on daylight savings time this past weekend, would hate for you to miss the flight. is everything packed? please remember to bring the "good" suit this time, and clean underwear may come in handy

sorry about the name Chebasky

I think it is in Russia if I have the spelling correct, do not want any mad Ukrainians tracking me down

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Thanks Chili

yer right about the Vonage too I checked earlier myself. And thanks for the interpreter info. I don't think I'll need it with Elena, but it may not be a bad idea for the first call. I'm waiting to see what her thoughts are on it though. This time diff is a PITA aint it? At least I have the middle of the day open as a rule. School bus thing.

And congrates Chris! I just clued in. Yeh, definately take clean undies.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

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Originally Posted by clark

Good luck and be prepared.

I hear you Clark. I've run into far too many wounded ladies right here and they think twice about letting the next several guys in through the same door again.

I am serious about doing this and I think I figured how to do it. Check down in Living and working in...About Ukraine thread. I'm concidering VERY seriously retiring over there and at least staying the summer. Sell house, get money in investment acct, make pension income available worldwide and get on the plane. I don't care if I ever come back at this point and there's nothing keeping here after the house is sold. WHY NOT?

Tim

Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Sell house, get money in investment acct, make pension income available worldwide and get on the plane. I don't care if I ever come back at this point and there's nothing keeping here after the house is sold. WHY NOT?

Tim

Also don't forget that you can only stay there part of the year.. like 6 months during the year,.. But there is a different business visa that has different regs.
Before you sell out you need to get your feet wet first! Try if for a month or two. You can always sell later. And if you do a direct deposit to a US Bank then you can withdraw from any ATM over there with a CC or debit card.
Where in Ukraine?

Posted by: dagpop

Tim, as the letters go on, she will get more lovey dovey. I would fan the fire with Rima and would send her poems and say romantic things. Women like that! Fan the fire and make the ember white hot. You won't regret it!

Posted by: Chrismc

Thanks Chillidog and Buckeye for your good wishes

Our clocks change, 30th March this year,

Chris

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Sorry, I didn't mention this before. I'm selling the house anyway. The ex would like her half of the only pie we shared. I was going to buy another place, but now I feel like I'm faced with the opportunity to do something 1) I've wanted to do, and 2) something for me. I was stationed in Germany in my Army days and have wanted to return to Europe for leisure ever since. Now I can put the money from the sale to work somewhere and live on what I make already in a place I've wanted to go to for a long time. I suppose I could creat a business, or say I'm a writer (I am) and want to research my book to get a longer stay out of it. Honestly though I can still see returning to the States eventually with my family. This would give her a chance to ease into it with me with out all the stress of leaving her entire life behind.

Mike I had already thought of the money access. It all goes into my account automatic now and the visa debit works anywhere they take the big V.

Zaporozhye is my destination for now. That's where you girl lives that I (jokingly)asked you to drop a gift when you go. You offered an interview,but I may just do that myself, though you and Tanya will be there sooner...

I appreciate your thoughts and I am listening. I'ld rather hear about the potential pitfalls here than somewhere I may not be able to do much about it.

Thanks guys,
Tim

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Sorry, I didn't mention this before. I'm selling the house anyway. The ex would like her half of the only pie we shared. I was going to buy another place, but now I feel like I'm faced with the opportunity to do something 1) I've wanted to do, and 2) something for me. I was stationed in Germany in my Army days and have wanted to return to Europe for leisure ever since. Now I can put the money from the sale to work somewhere and live on what I make already in a place I've wanted to go to for a long time. I suppose I could creat a business, or say I'm a writer (I am) and want to research my book to get a longer stay out of it. Honestly though I can still see returning to the States eventually with my family. This would give her a chance to ease into it with me with out all the stress of leaving her entire life behind.

Mike I had already thought of the money access. It all goes into my account automatic now and the visa debit works anywhere they take the big V.

Zaporozhye is my destination for now. That's where you girl lives that I (jokingly)asked you to drop a gift when you go. You offered an interview,but I may just do that myself, though you and Tanya will be there sooner...

I appreciate your thoughts and I am listening. I'ld rather hear about the potential pitfalls here than somewhere I may not be able to do much about it.

Thanks guys,
Tim

So there is a method to the madness! With your name starting as Buckeye I was assuming to were going to Ukraine to hide out after the last 2 national championship games

Just kidding Buckeye. I say follow your dreams. Life is too damn short

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by clark

So there is a method to the madness! With your name starting as Buckeye I was assuming to were going to Ukraine to hide out after the last 2 national championship games

Just kidding Buckeye. I say follow your dreams. Life is too damn short

HEY! I am an old State alumn, and resemble that remark!!!!! Sorry, I mean resent that remark!!!!, didn't attend many classes was there on a sports scholarship

Posted by: Pin Boy

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

HEY! I am an old State alumn, and resemble that remark!!!!! Sorry, I mean resent that remark!!!!, didn't attend many classes was there on a sports scholarship

typical ohio state athlete

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

typical ohio state athlete

Yeah, we buy them from the best high schools across the country...LOL

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

typical ohio state athlete

you didn't type much must have been an athlete as well

maybe from the same school with your intimate knowledge you've shown

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

typical ohio state athlete

have to give you credit though, your spelling was impeccable, usually takes me 3-4 edits to get mine spelled correctly

Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

HEY! I am an old State alumn, and resemble that remark!!!!! Sorry, I mean resent that remark!!!!, didn't attend many classes was there on a sports scholarship

LOL....can we look for you in Ukraine too?

I've always liked your coach, Tressel is a class act. Sweater vest and all. Some of us ex-jocks attended class

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Don't laugh! I was dating a lady here in Bangor a few months ago that tought there when Woody was the Man. He barged into her office one morning and asked how Pete Johnson was doing, to which she informed "The Legend" that Pete was failing. Woody didn't even blink. He told her point blank you're gonna pass him or else and her dept head agreed! Pass him or get fired! Some choice when you're trying to maintain your integrity.

Pete passed.

Tim

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Don't laugh! I was dating a lady here in Bangor a few months ago that tought there when Woody was the Man. He barged into her office one morning and asked how Pete Johnson was doing, to which she informed "The Legend" that Pete was failing. Woody didn't even blink. He told her point blank you're gonna pass him or else and her dept head agreed! Pass him or get fired! Some choice when you're trying to maintain your integrity.

Pete passed.

Tim

No laughing here, I believe it!!!!

Posted by: Buckeye5704

I sent my girl in Zaporozhye, Lena, some chocolates and they arrived I think, yesterday. Anyway I got a very nice thank you from her and a VERY nice photo too.

She told me that her son and her both enjoyed them, which I appreciate.

My question is this. Is it customary to get dolled up and take a pic holding the gift? I didn't use the include a pic this time so she did that on her on and sent it to me today.

The roses/teddy/chocolates for their joint birthday is an entirely different deal. I'm going for the pic at delivery this time. And extended birthday wishes to them both on the card. Thursday's her big day, btw

Thanks,
Tim

Posted by: AkMike

Do you mean a teddy or a teddy bear?

Big difference!
And yes they dress up for pics but their normal everyday dress is heads and shoulders above WW.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

I think I'll send the bear for now.

But I WILL be stopping by VS for a few goodies before I go to meet her.

Hey, I gotta bring gifts, right?

I'm trying to imagine knee high patent leather boots (with at least 4" heels) and a mini dress for everyday, but hey it's Europe after all. And she's a teacher, gotta look good for work.

Tim

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

My question is this. Is it customary to get dolled up and take a pic holding the gift?

It is customary to dress up whenever leaving home

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Well,

I just got off the first phone call with my girl and I asked her about it. Yes, she dressed special for me. "I wanted you to like me." she said. THAT is a no brainer. I already do.

Tim

Posted by: AkMike

See!!! I worked!

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by AkMike

See!!! I worked!

You Da Man!!!!!!

Posted by: AkMike

Typo,,, It should have read "It worked!"

Posted by: Buckeye5704

It's ok Mike. We know you actually work once in a while.

GAWD! What a voice!

Her's Mike, Hers!

Posted by: AkMike

That russian accent is fantastic and it just gets better as you get to know her better.

Posted by: mistermopar

Sounds like someone else has found love.....

Randy

Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by mistermopar

Sounds like someone else has found love.....

Randy

Thanks Randy but it's been that way for several years already. But I appreciate the thoughts..

LOL

Posted by: mistermopar

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Thanks Randy but it's been that way for several years already. But I appreciate the thoughts..

LOL

No prob......

Randy

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Well, I don't know if she's "The One" or not, but she sure makes the ole ticker beat a little faster.

That's ma story an I'm stickin to it.

Tim

Posted by: AkMike

So pack your bags and head out for the airport.. We'll be there in Kiev in about 3 weeks. First rounds on me.

Posted by: DKatz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Well,

I just got off the first phone call with my girl and I asked her about it. Yes, she dressed special for me. "I wanted you to like me." she said. THAT is a no brainer. I already do.

Tim

Wow! Good for you! Good luck, Tim!

Posted by: Buckeye5704

I hafta wait til Summer before I can scoot out of here. Niether of us likes the wait, but I told her we will use the time wisely and become good friends by the time I arrive in Zaporozhye. At least we can talk now and it doesn't cost that much at $0.13 a min. I'll wait til she puts the youngun to bed and call again tonight, and tomorrow, and...

Can't wait to see the pics of the delivery of their B-day gifts.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

I hafta wait til Summer before I can scoot out of here. Niether of us likes the wait, but I told her we will use the time wisely and become good friends by the time I arrive in Zaporozhye. At least we can talk now and it doesn't cost that much at $0.13 a min. I'll wait til she puts the youngun to bed and call again tonight, and tomorrow, and...

Can't wait to see the pics of the delivery of their B-day gifts.

Be careful, I know $.13 a min does not sound alot, but neither did $.08 untill I got the bill at the end of the month. "Holly Sheep Sh*t Batman, did we really talk that much?" Time really does fly when you have that sexy Russian accent on the other end of the line....LOL

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Yeh, that's something I'm keeping in mind. She's certainly worth it, but I'd rather be saving for a plane ticket.

She was so shy yesterday I didn't get to hear that much of it. I suspect she'll relax in short order though as her letters are very warm.

Posted by: blucatz

She will open up when she starts to feel comfortable with you, my lady did. The first couple of calls it was hard to understand each other and I was getting short answers. Now, well, Friday we talked for 3 hours if that tells you anything. Be warned though, once she opens up, you not only get the warmth from her, but, you also get that classic Russian anger if you piss her off, not a pretty picture.

Posted by: Buckeye5704

Oh, I can guarrantee I'll tic her off once in awhile. I'm purty good at that. I'm also a master at apologizing.

"Yes dear, I was wrong, you were right..."

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye5704

Oh, I can guarrantee I'll tic her off once in awhile. I'm purty good at that. I'm also a master at apologizing.

"Yes dear, I was wrong, you were right..."

Learn these words now "Izvinyte" = Sorry, "Prostite" = Forgive me, "Ne Serdites Na Menya" = Don't be angry at me. You will use them alot...at least I do....LOL
Here is a site that teaches you some important Russian phrases with audio files to hear how to say them.... http://www.search4russianbride.com/...bal-phrases.htm

Posted by: Buckeye5704

I already have that one stored in my Favs list. I just hope I won't have to say them too soon.

Posted by: AkMike

LMAO, You've got it all wrong...

She's supposed to say "yes my lord and master..."

( Of course there seems to be a large gap between what she is supposed to say and what is really said) Go Figure?

Posted by: Buckeye5704

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Originally Posted by AkMike

LMAO, You've got it all wrong...

She's supposed to say "yes my lord and master..."

( Of course there seems to be a large gap between what she is supposed to say and what is really said) Go Figure?

LMAO.

Somehow I think the memo got lost in the translation. I'll be SURE to ask if she received it though.

I'm sure you explained it completely to your other half though..

I was told once (by a woman) that if you treat her like a Queen, she'll make you her King. No bowing required of course.

Tim
Frustrated by overloaded Intl lines tonight.

Posted by: AkMike

I also reply "yes my Lady and my Queen,"

It's a running joke to see the reactions of folks. We first played it on her english teacher at dinner. He started laughing and his wife went red hot.. Then she understood it was a joke..

Local femininsts don't have a sense of humor though,... I'm a card carrying MCP according to them.
In reality Tanya is a lady and I treasure her just as she adores me (for some reason).
You do indeed get as good as you give twice over!

Posted by: Buckeye5704

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You do indeed get as good as you give twice over!

And rightly so. And that's what I'm hoping to accomplish with my new girl.