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Posted by: leerey

Hi Everyone,

I'm sure it's been asked before, but my forum search hasn't come up with much. So, I'd like to ask if anyone has experience with Anastasia-International. They're based in Bangor, Maine.

I've seen a lot of negative information on other forums. But, that seems to be the case about most agencies.

Actually, I'm more interested in hearing whether anyone has had a positive experience with this agency.

Thanks very much!

Posted by: GentleGiant

Why oh why do you people persist in thinking we are all just bad mouthing this company??

What is our angle supposed to be??

You cannot be searching very hard if you haven't come across at least a dozen threads on this topic!!!!

They are one of the biggest rip off merchants on the planet!

THERE!!

You have been told what they are like, take it or leave it!!!!

Posted by: dagpop

Tell it like it is GG!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Here's the lastest thread and information.

http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...02&page=1&pp=15

Posted by: GentleGiant

Sorry, bad day!!

It seems every week someone new registers and asks the same question about them.

This time he even admits that they are being slagged off elsewhere!!!

If I was an Aussie I would be talking Hippo Racing, come naked.

(Read Aussie Humour thread if puzzled by that)

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Here's the lastest thread and information.

http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...02&page=1&pp=15

as follow up to the thread GTR gives the link to here. which is the thread I started.

Last July I went to Moscow and met woman who I was corresponding to thru AnastasiaWeb. Very nice woman, and to no fault of her own, we did not have chemistry. I do currently write 1 woman still through Anastasia.

I am not defending Anastasia, and do agree with GG that they can be a very expensive, but I do not use them like many others may. First off I have realistic expectations of what I am looking for. I do not read any letters written by anyone under 30 and no one under 35 unless they have a child. Have used them for 1 year so far and have only opened letters from 4 women out of thousands I have recieved, of these 4, 1 of them I met in person, 1 I currently correspond with and the other 2 within a few letters decided they were not what I was looking for.

I think everyone's problem with them is
1) they send out unsolisted letters, that girls may not be aware of
2) even after writing a letter to a girl there is some speculation that a "hairy boris" is writing you in return and not the women
3) you can not exchange personal contact info expect postal addresses in your e-mails
4) you are charged for each letter you send and each letter you recieve, which leads to the reasoning that they are not interested in happiness of the couple but in their bottom line of making money
5) there are many lawsuits filed against them
6) they appear on almost everyone's blacklist for agencies with less then reputal buisness practices
7) there maybe more I have not listed but this sums it up

GG-----------
I know this has been asked about and written many times, and I agree this info is pretty easy to find on the site, but with myself being new to RMP I thought I would give him the benifit of a doubt
GG-----------
also you may feel because I still use Anastasia, even if it is to just write one woman, that I am a "Nutter" and you maybe correct, but if you look at the thread (link GTR gave) above you can see from this thread I was looking for ways to write this woman by other means, at this time believe it or not Anastasia is the cheapest, will be talking to her on the phone and will continue to pursue other ways to write her, and this is my biggest complaint with Anastasia, they virtualy lock you into writing these women strickly through them

Posted by: leerey

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Actually, it isn't all that easy to find the information on this site - Unless I'm doing something wrong. I typed Anastasia into the search box and only came up with a couple of threads that told me very little.

As I stated before, it seems most ALL of the agencies have negative posts to be found on most of the forums. It also seems to me that most people like to post about their bad experiences and few are motivated to tell of the good.

Thank you Chillidog for your positive input. I'm like you in the fact that I try to use my wits a little in deciding who's for real and who's trying to scam me. I'm 52 and if a 19 y.o. is emailing me, I know something's up.

Also, the way Anastasia handles emails is a little expensive, but it kind of makes sense. Most of these woman speak very little English and I certainly can't speak Russian.

1) The cost of the emails helps pay for the translation both ways... Seems fair.

2) The fact that I'm not allowed to send the lady my email or postal address protects me from the lady trying to go around the system and scam me.

3) I'm allowed to ask the lady for her postal address so that I can send her regular mail, gifts, or whatever. It's up to her if she feels comfortable giving it. Then we can both go around the system if we both feel comfortable with each other.

Personally, I think anyone can get scammed at any of the agencies and the fact that Anastasia-International is one of the biggest just means there's going to be more people scammed because more people use them. Is the percentage of dissatisfied customers higher than the other agencies? I don't know. Could be...but maybe not.

Anyone else have any good expereinces with Anastasia to tell about?

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Leerey: Actually you are not doing anything wrong. You did the right thing, ask the question.

The reason you didn't see much information on the forum is that as a new member your search requests only return information from the new member forum area. After you do 3 posts then when you search, you will be searching the entire forum.

Posted by: GentleGiant

It does??? When did that start??

I apologise for my earlier comment then.

Still wouldn't touch them with a barge pole; another one to steer clear of is Cindy Agency.

Same M O

Posted by: Stirlitz

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

Still wouldn't touch them with a barge pole; another one to steer clear of is Cindy Agency.

Why bother about paid agencies at all when there are www.freepersonals.ru and the likes where no one charges you and does not control contact information exchange.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Why bother about paid agencies at all when there are www.freepersonals.ru and the likes where no one charges you and does not control contact information exchange.

Strilitz
good sugestion.
Problem is until someone finds a forum like RMP many of these free sites do not come up on a google search or whatever search engine you use. If they do they are so far bureied you do not find them. The big box agenices pay these search engines money so they can always be at the top of any search like this. I know since I joined RMP close to 80% of the agencies talked about on RMP (which includes these free sites) I had never heard of or run across in any of my searches.

Leerey, look through this forum there is a section titled "Marriage Agency/Romance Tours discussions & reviews" that will give you a lot of info and opinions on various dating agencies. There are many guys who have had success with these free/cheap sites like "freepersonals.ru" or "allsinglerussiangirls.com" another one that many like is "Elena's Models" but for me personaly I am not a big fan of this site.
and also "Welcome to RMP"

Posted by: Raspberry

Just thought I'd take a quick peak at AW.......the one girl that I corresponded with the last couple of years(from another site) is still showing on AW despite the girl has been engaged for several months!!

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Just thought I'd take a quick peak at AW.......the one girl that I corresponded with the last couple of years(from another site) is still showing on AW despite the girl has been engaged for several months!!

Ras,
yes, another reason, one I left off of my list, (judge may we present exhibit #8) but there are more than just Anastasia that do this, even the freepersonals you will find profiles on that that a person has not loggod onto in years (but at least with those you can see when they last logged on)
even though I still use Anastasia for writing 1 lady, they iritate the the beegeezeez out of me, just another reason for the long list of why to stay away from them, and do not do what I did, and even begin useing Anastasia, then to find a really good woman and struggle to find ways to get her off (she is not computer literate, and I am maybe just a step above her when it comes to computers). In my personal expereince with them I did not run into the problems some have written about, the woman I visit this past July, everything we discussed in letters came true, she met me at the time and day discussed and also had arranged for that whole week off as discussed. But this whole thing is a crap shoot no matter what road you travel.

Ras, quick question do you still correspond with her or know some one that does? would be good ammo if we knew that a "Hairy Boris" was doing her corresponding.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

It does??? When did that start??

I apologise for my earlier comment then.

Don't know, was like that when I joined. Wasn't until after the third post that the search would show message from all over the forum; instead of just the new user section.

Posted by: GentleGiant

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

Don't know, was like that when I joined. Wasn't until after the third post that the search would show message from all over the forum; instead of just the new user section.

Must have happened when the three post rule started; I wonder if K knows?? he might be able to code around it, and get the full search working for people in the sand pit.

For those who dont know, the three post sand pit was started to stop bots from auto registering and flooding the forums with

Posted by: kirkln

I just went to freepersonels.ru There are alot of beatiful women there why would you mess with anitasia or however you spell it

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Welcome Kirkln! It's good to see another guy from Michigan here! There are quite a few of us now.

Yes free personals is where I saw my fiancee who should arrive early next month.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirkln

I just went to freepersonels.ru There are alot of beatiful women there why would you mess with anitasia or however you spell it

a few posts earlier, I had mentioned that sites like Freepersonals do not come up very high if at all on searches like google, many people are not aware of it, a lot of times they only see the big box sites in these searches.

so tell me how someone uses this site unless they are aware of it?

Personally I have been searching for over 2 years and must have looked at at well over 100 different sites, never ran across this one until I found RMP. and every free site I used previosly (Mate1 for an example which is free to all women worldwide including American but men pay like $10 a month for unlimted, uncensored e-mail) 99 out 100 e-mails I recieved from so called foriegn women were scammers everyone ended up asking for money for one reason or another. so I completely gave up on free sites. went to Anastasia met a wonderful women in July of 2007 and now correspond with another wonderful woman who is 100% legit, that is my reason and on this forum I maybe the only one but when someone can give me a sure fire 100% garaunteed way, I will be the first to sign up.

Post note--- I have just posted a profile on freepersonals.ru so far have just done a search for women living in Russia that meet my criteria, have not done Ukraine or any other FSU countries. I did bookmark a few woman, but after the first 10 pages or so (only 9 women on a page) most women had not logged in for over 6 months, so I am not falling off my chair in excitement yet, but as I said I have not searched all countries. have found a few I will write though I think most of these will be dead ends due to when they had logged in last. will search the other countries in the next day or so and start sending letters to those I bookmarked.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Welcome Kirkln! It's good to see another guy from Michigan here! There are quite a few of us now.

Yes free personals is where I saw my fiancee who should arrive early next month.

GTR,
you might be able to anser this question best, but I do not know when you last used freepersonals.ru.
when sending the ladies a letter, is it best to send the letter in russian???
I have prompt on my computer so I can write it in English and translate it to Russian and send both together. I just did not know if there a translation was automaticly done when you send the letter or if a person needed to do this first before sending it???

Posted by: dagpop

One thing about any of these sites, you don't know how long the profile has been on there. Some of these women might be married now. Rima's profile is still on one dating site.

http://www.dating.e-russianwomen.co...n=woman&id=2860

PS: she's not available

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagpop

One thing about any of these sites, you don't know how long the profile has been on there. Some of these women might be married now. Rima's profile is still on one dating site.

http://www.dating.e-russianwomen.co...n=woman&id=2860

PS: she's not available

LUCY, You have sum esplanen to du!!!!

Yep! everything is a crapshoot

It's a good thing I did not bookmark her.
Thankfully it is a different site. on Rima's profile there is an advert for Cuteonly.com which is another site I believe on "Jim's Blacklist" and my 1st trip to Russia back in 2006 was to see a woman I origianlly met on this site, just an FYI. I guess I do everything contrary to the rules, when my friends first learned I was searching for RW they would deffinitly have agreed with that.

Posted by: dagpop

Chilli, maybe GTRs wife's profile is still out there and and you can bookmark it.
He wouldn't mind other men writing her. I wonder if men try to write Rima on that profile? Maybe that agency is answering.

www.freepersonals.ru/showProfile.da?id=242131

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagpop

She's a cutie but a short little stick of dynomite!!!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagpop

Chilli, maybe GTRs wife's profile is still out there and and you can bookmark it.
He wouldn't mind other men writing her. I wonder if men try to write Rima on that profile? Maybe that agency is answering.

www.freepersonals.ru/showProfile.da?id=242131

Yes her profile is still out there but it says when last logged in, it was the day I sent her my first letter! So she read my letter and she never signed back in.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chillidog

I always sent my letters in English.

If you use a translator, make sure you do a "back translation" to be sure all the words translated and it sounds correct.

I don't remember a translator on free personals but there is one on www.allsinglerussiangirls.com

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Thanks, about the way you send your letters.
Yea, I was also looking at "allsingles" per your recomandations also, but went with freepersonals for now because even though "allsingles" is dirt cheap someting like $80 for the whole year, I do have 2 woman who I am already very much interested in and just did not want to start to write to many women, right now the way I feel about these 2 woman I am seriously contemplating seeing them soon, so may start a new thread looking for some traveling help, because these 2 live in different cities in Ukraine and would like to see them both on the same trip, and both of my previous trips were to see just 1 woman so I never had the daunting task of trying to figure out how to travel to a different city once I was already over there with my very limited Russian vocab.

Posted by: leerey

Don't the free personals attract MORE scammers than the agencies? I remember a few years back when Yahoo had its "free" personals. Almost every FSU woman on there was a scammer. But, it makes sense. If it's free, the scammers are going to set up shop there first. Right?

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I never met a scammer on www.freepersonals.ru. Of course I got e-mails from 20+ year olds but I didn't bother answering them. I set an age range and stuck to it. This will eliminate some of the scammers.

Posted by: blucatz

Quote:

Originally Posted by leerey

Don't the free personals attract MORE scammers than the agencies? I remember a few years back when Yahoo had its "free" personals. Almost every FSU woman on there was a scammer. But, it makes sense. If it's free, the scammers are going to set up shop there first. Right?

One thing you won't find on Yahoo personal's is a legitamate Russian woman from Russia or Ukraine looking for her other half. Something about Yahoo's site will not allow postings originating from Russia or Ukraine, thus, a lot of Russian scammers on Yahoo, thats where I found my first scammer.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I've found more scammers on pay sites then free sites like

Anastasia Web
Global Ladies
Russian Women

and many more.

Posted by: blucatz

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I've found more scammers on pay sites then free sites like

Anastasia Web
Global Ladies
Russian Women

and many more.

One thing interesting about the scammer I found on Yahoo was that she contacted me and her profile said she lived in a city not to far from me. It was after the first letter she/he said she was in Russia. Same scenario, lots of letters, no answers to my questions at all, even after I got down right rude with her/him in the last one. It was like no one was even bothering to read them. Lots of pictures were sent tho, good ones too.

Posted by: GentleGiant

The better Russia free sites are very strict with scammers, bride.ru say that if they catch someone they will blacklist them for life; sites like Yahoo and others I tried in the West were not that bothered when I reported scammers and took less care to record who and where the scammer was coming from.

Other than a few pay sites I think are run by and for scammers, (including the one this thread is about), I have only run in to a few scammers on Elena's, nowhere else.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

The better Russia free sites are very strict with scammers, bride.ru say that if they catch someone they will blacklist them for life; sites like Yahoo and others I tried in the West were not that bothered when I reported scammers and took less care to record who and where the scammer was coming from.

Other than a few pay sites I think are run by and for scammers, (including the one this thread is about), I have only run in to a few scammers on Elena's, nowhere else.

GG
what is your definition of a "scammer" is it the typical woman asking for money and such, and you do not consider an agency as a scammer? or do you include agencies in your deffinition of "scammer"? if you do include agencies as scammers, what constitues a "scamming agency" what practices do you not like or better yet what do certain agencies do that makes you feel comfortable in doing buisness with them. Do not take offence, just trying to see if we look at agencies in the same fashion

Bob

Posted by: GentleGiant

Agencies like Anastasia, Cindy etc who send out; or allow affiliates to send out letters to men that were not intended by the women to be sent to those men, who write pretending to be women interested in you to get you to buy "credits" to even READ them (Anastasia), who steal your details from other sites (Anthea), and pretend you are a member; who leave profiles showing women available who have long since left, or married (Cindy are doing this still).
Cindy has been supposedly cleaning up its act, and a number of people have been happy with them, but there is an underlying culture of deceit that will take a long time to irradicate.

Another reason that not many scammers use the free Russian sites is that most of the men brave enough to use them have already got knowledge of how the scammers work and can spot the average scam a mile off; my profile was up on bride.ru for two months, but I was not approached by a single scammer.

As for my definition, no, it is not just a woman asking for money, if you read the threads you will find there are several different kinds, some want money, some want gifts and some want holidays; others just want out of where ever they are and will marry anyone then dump them as soon as possible. it is these that worry me the most, they are the hardest to spot and potentially the most costly.

Posted by: Raspberry

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

... who write pretending to be women interested in you to get you to buy "credits" to even READ them.....

That is my biggest pet peeve. Get a letter from a lady FIRST, and you have to pay. I don't mind, if I contacted her first, and she answers, but an agency should at least have me see the message first before I decide. I don't want to waste any credits to see the first letter---and not a legitimate one, either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

.....who leave profiles showing women available who have long since left, or married

I do see a few women, that I know, for sure, are engaged or married, but stilll have profiles on various sites.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleGiant

As for my definition, no, it is not just a woman asking for money, if you read the threads you will find there are several different kinds, some want money, some want gifts and some want holidays; others just want out of where ever they are and will marry anyone then dump them as soon as possible. it is these that worry me the most, they are the hardest to spot and potentially the most costly

Quite true here.

Posted by: raptor9

I am happy to report that I have been very happy with Anastasia. I have met a very wonderful Russian woman. This service was very helpful because She did not speak or write English well. They translate your letters and provide a translator for you to speak on the telephone. I have not used any of their tour services so I cannot speak of this. Whenever I have aired concerns they quickly responded. I have been to Russia 2x th meet her and I have found the most amazing and beautiful woman I could imagine. I doubt there is any "perfect" agency. Of course there are going to be some bad women (this is the case with any agency, any country). But, I will soon marry my "dream girl". I could not have found her without Anastasia. It is funny, thousands wrote introduction letters to me but I knew from the first letter and picture that she was the one I wanted to meet...and I was right.

Posted by: JohnnyLaRue

I'm a newb so just tossing in my two cents.

I would think the pay sites would have more scammers since the guy is paying for the service and feels the site is legit, he has paid cash and its hard for him to walk away and be out the girl and his $$$$.

Posted by: azamuner

The sites that GTR mentioned are the ones that are considered reputable. There may be others but there are a lot of scam sites out there as this is a lucrative business playing on the hearts of men.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Of course all sites will have their scammers. My biggest concern about Anestatsia is that they have more scammers then any agency I know and also more law suits against them. Also they are probably one of the most expensive websites too. I found my girl on a free site ... why pay money if you don't have to???

Posted by: synthfiend

Boy instead of an AA meeting it's an AW meeting. Hi my name's Michael and I believe I got scammed by Anastasia. In another thread someone suggested doing the phone introduction or the web chats. That may be the most prudent thing to do if you're gonna find out if the chick you've been talking to is real or not and during that time on the phone or on the webcam get her contact information. It sounds like a pretty good idea if you've already invested enough time effort and money trying to talk to whomever. Hell I may try it myself

Posted by: GoingToRussia

No, the best thing to do is avoid this site and try to find them of a different site by "goggoling" their name, city, and sometimes age.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Of course all sites will have their scammers. My biggest concern about Anestatsia is that they have more scammers then any agency I know and also more law suits against them. Also they are probably one of the most expensive websites too. I found my girl on a free site ... why pay money if you don't have to???

GTR,
I do not know if 'scammers' would be the best deffinition for AnastasiaWeb, to me a scammer is the individual who writes and asks for money.
With Anastasia that is impossible for them to do in their email system. With Aweb, the problem is knowing if the letters you recieve are written by the woman or by the agency, even after the matchmaking intro letter from the girl (which are mostly if not all computer generated to be sent out) and you have written additional letters. I would say with Aweb their buisness practices are very suspect, and very profit driven. There are methods of getting around Aweb's system of communicating, there are ways to communicate with her direct if you find one you like. Many women on their site I have never found on other sites (could not even find their local agency) but because with Aweb you can never tell in the beggining of correspondence if you are getting letters from her or hairy Boris or cousin Yuri, you may ended up spending loads of money on their pay per letter system and not be communicating with the person you think you are, hence most of the law suits.
I too have met a very wonderful lady thru Aweb last July, but the chemistry was not there, and now commincate with a very nice women from Mariupol, but I do have her postal address and home phone number. So I can commincate with her independently
I agree with GTR that it is best to avoid them, there are plenty of free and pay sites where you can freely exchange personal contact info (but this is also where you will run into more of the 'Hello Dear, I LOVE YOU, if you LOVE me, send me MONEY' letters.

Posted by: Sterling

Hello Everyone,
I am a newbie to this, looking for a foreign babe, dating sites, Scammers who send pic's of some model instead, the real expenses these women have.
This is going to be interesting !!!

Posted by: Moose55

I spent $180 in on Aweb......I spent most of my credits talking to a girl (at least I hope) from Ukraine. She answered every question I asked, asked her own questions, and gave me her address when I asked for it. My credits were almost up so I sent flowers (another $80) with my personal information to that address. I never heard from her again. I have now closed my profile with them

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose55

I spent $180 in on Aweb......I spent most of my credits talking to a girl (at least I hope) from Ukraine. She answered every question I asked, asked her own questions, and gave me her address when I asked for it. My credits were almost up so I sent flowers (another $80) with my personal information to that address. I never heard from her again. I have now closed my profile with them

Moose55,
I will say this in defence of the woman (not Aweb) that there are still many, many woman who do not have personal access to the internet. So she may in fact not have a way to contact you at your personal email address. also maybe not enough friendship built in a limited time for her to go and spend some of her limited money at the internet cafe. I am not saying this is the case but a possibility. If you are truly interested in her you could fork over just a little more money to Aweb and do a 3-way call with her and in this call you can ask and get her home phone number and begin communicating with her outside of Aweb and maybe encourage her to set up her own email account to exchange letters at. Just an option. and it seemed like you were communcating with a real woman in that all of your questions were answered. Did you ever ask for her home postal address thru your letters with Aweb?

Posted by: goforit

I still don't understand why people get hooked on AW. If you want to use them they present the fastest way to get in touch with a gal, simply call them and get all their personal info and leave AW forever until you want to call the next girl.

Otherwise the risks of AW FAR OUTWEIGH the benefits, no matter how judiciously one tries to use them.

Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:

Originally Posted by goforit

I still don't understand why people get hooked on AW. If you want to use them they present the fastest way to get in touch with a gal, simply call them and get all their personal info and leave AW forever until you want to call the next girl.

Otherwise the risks of AW FAR OUTWEIGH the benefits, no matter how judiciously one tries to use them.

I do think in general people are getting smarter to Aweb. (I was on a site that registered hits to different sites and saw that Aweb's hits have dropped by over 50% since the end of last year) In defence of some (me in particular) many do not know the true pitfalls of Aweb, because only a few find forums like this to learn and be educated. I will say this I use Aweb now exactly as you have stated (now), but I did meet a real lady this past July that was on Aweb. The two I communicate with now also have profiles on Aweb, but I communicate with them outside of Aweb.

For me now, I see and understand your point of view, and so hope that with my experience I can help those who do use Aweb, to find different ways of communicating with these women (if they are real). I know you and many bang your head

when you just hear the word Aweb, for those looking and asking for help we should try to show them better ways even if we get frustrated with the questions

Posted by: Moose55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chillidog

Hey Chillidog, nice to talk to you again. She gave me her address in one of her letters when I asked for it. The thing is, I left my postal address, email address, and telephone number on the note. She never did try to contact me again through Aweb again. I joined anastasia mainly because I didn't know any better and just ran a google search. I even figured I would do a little research, and I found one of their sites where they gave a top 10 list and of course they were at the top of the list. I am pretty sure that Aweb probably created that poll. When I found this forum, I heard the horror stories. I stopped my membership because I was out of credits, I hadn't heard from that girl, heard too many bad stories, and I was liking Elena's models.

Posted by: goforit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chillidog

when you just hear the word Aweb, for those looking and asking for help we should try to show them better ways even if we get frustrated with the questions

I hope I don't sound frustrated. I'm really not. I just want to see people spend their money and time in places where they are more likely to have success. Does AW work for some folks? Sure. But it seems the risk/reward ratio is much higher at AW/Global Ladies than in other places.

My approach to Global Ladies and AW is this: if they are on Global Ladies try to find them on AW. If you do, call them and forget about ever having to use Global Ladies. If you find them directly on AW, just call them from the beginning. Yes you will spend money but best to talk to and find out upfront if there is anything before getting caught up in the "hairy boris" treadmill.

IMO, it is best of course if you just avoid their website. But if you find a woman there you must talk to, and you can't find her anywhere else on the web, then the above strategy is a reasonably good approach for protecting both your heart and your pocketbook.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Moose55

Hey Moose55,

yes, it's a learning curve we all (I beleive) go thru, certainly no-one can know everything, I think life is learning and when we stop learning it is time to check-out

. Elena's is a good site and hopefully you will find the one on there (when I used it I did not have luck, but that is only me). I think the best think to look for in anysite is if you can exchange personal information freely, that you can give and receive personal email address, phone numbers, etc. This way you can determine very early if the woman is real or not, this does not mean you are guarenteed success or no scammers, but at least a person is not wasting time persueing hairy boris

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by goforit

IMO, it is best of course if you just avoid their website. But if you find a woman there you must talk to, and you can't find her anywhere else on the web, then the above strategy is a reasonably good approach for protecting both your heart and your pocketbook.

goforit,

no you did not sound frustrated, and sorry for implying this with you, I do know others do get this way and that is OK also, you kind of got lumped into this generaliztion I did.

I do agree with you completely that it is just best to avoid completely Aweb, a person can find thousands of very beautiful woman on better sites (for us men), but many start using Aweb before they find forums like these and fully understand how Aweb sucks you in, and then dry.

Without going into great detail, I started using them late in 2006 because previously I had meet the most wonderful woman and we were communication thru personal email (with help from Prompt) and started discussing K-1 and things just turned pear shaped due to trying to discuss sensitive subjects and Prompt's inablity to translate such properly. So I searched out a site that had 'Prefessional Translating' tried Elena's but to send letters using her professional translation was costing me something like $50 USD a letter, so I quickly said good-bye to Elena's, found Aweb and was paying only $6 USD a letter and thought it was a deal, I learned quickly (on my own) what they were up to and then used there system to my benifit, and I will say this that I am sure I wrote to many hairy boris's but these were ended with a couple of letters and the 2 (1 I met in person, the other hopefully will meet) that I communicated with for any length of time were real, but like I said we have done this communication for the most part outside of Aweb.

I am not trying to defend Aweb, and like I wrote earlier, I too wish like you do that on-one would use their site for any reason, but I do not think that will ever happen.