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Posted by: Raka

Just a short intro before I begin, I met my wife in the Ukraine in 2005 and have been married for just over a year. My wife and I met through an agency that had questionable ethics but we did manage to swap email addresses secretly without the agency knowing and the rest is history. My wife, her 65 year old mother and her 20 year old son have all immigrated to my country.

I'm posting this here as some of you may be interested;

My wife after reading many of the E books that are available about Slavic women and internet dating decided to write her own book from experience as most of the E books available are not worth the information they contain and much of it is old, out of date and some have even been written by men, interesting that a man writes a book about understanding women, good luck on that one.

So my wife’s book is basically a “Guide” about internet dating agencies and the Slavic woman. Many men make so many mistakes with the Slavic woman as my wife likes to say, and this is why they fail to find a woman. The book deals with different types of men and what they are searching for, what type of woman you are looking for, correspondence and the mistakes etc men make, what questions to ask and what not to ask when first writing to a lady. Also the book covers marriage agencies and how not to be taken, visiting her and her country, sex, from a woman's point of view! And other topics. It also includes chapters about what and how these women think and what makes Slavic women so different from the women from the west. It has about twenty or so letters enclosed from women to men and vice versa that my wife has done analysis on as well. The book will help guide you through the process of finding that someone special and what mistakes not to make along the way.

My wife interviewed more than 50 women and has completed an analysis of over 200 letters in writing the book plus her experience with agencies as well.
I'm now translating this book from Russian into English as my wife is interested in selling it on the web or by mail on CD. My wife has collected about 500 women’s profiles of women, photos and addresses etc that we are thinking of adding with the sale of the book. All the women on the CD are situated in the Ukraine.

What I want to know from you guys is what you think and would you be interested in buying something like this? Even though I've completed this journey I still found the book interesting to learn a little more about how these women think. I still have trouble myself!
The book, about 200 pages would retail for about $50.00 and the CD we do not know about as yet as we are deciding on what would be a fair price. Suggestions?

Would this book be of interest to you? Would you buy it?

I would be interested in you comments and will answer any questions as best as I can.

Posted by: AkMike

I don't know how many would get a book in this `puter age. I'd suggest ebooks, cd's and or a membership ($) site where they could read it. Disable the right click so it can't be copied. Our members pics area has this feature .
I think it's a great idea Raka I wish something better would have been out there when I began.

Posted by: blucatz

$50 is pretty high priced for a 200 page information book.

Posted by: Pin Boy

sounds very interesting, but i also think that price is steep. welcome and congratulations on your success!

pin boy

Posted by: GentleGiant

Interesting - yes
Price whooooeeee !!!!

I thought Elena's book was overpriced!!!

Knock the "0" off the end and it should sell; but dont go betting your house on it; most newbies think they know better until they first get scammed; and how are they going to learn about your book in the first place?? You going to get dating site adverts??

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Raka: There are plenty of ways to set up e-Books and I think this would be your best way of self-publishing. Pricing of course is a tricky matter. The only books in the book store that are $50 or above are technical type books. This book would fall in to the self-help section of the bookstore. Most of those books are in the $15 -$20 range.

So since the competition is selling there books in the $15-$20 range I think you would have to price competitively against them. $14.99 for an e-Book or $19.99 seems reasonable. Especially if you added in some "bonuses", i.e. being able to email the author for personal advice. She could give personal dating advice. Or another bonus could be a "quick-start" guide on being successful. I.e. how to navigate the popular dating site.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: disculmawsu

My suggestion would have some RW/UW on this site review it (and offer suggestions). I would interested mostly about your wife's perceptions of Slavic women and less about dating agencies.
Another suggestion is that you write a companion book on Western men (actually, it might good idea have the "experts" on this site write a chapter or two about their respective countries).
I agree with the rest of the writers that $50.00 is too much. I would make it an ebook (as suggested elsewhere) and distributed for free but offer some services or products which cost money.
Has your wife done some market research on the demand for such a book? What a companion service or product she could have with the book as the teaser.

Posted by: dagpop

Hi Raka, I hope you and your wife are happy in your marriage. The book sounds like it would be interresting to read. It might bring back memories. Around $20 would be a good price. Let us know when it comes out.

Posted by: Raka

was the price was including the CD for those who wanted it. 500 womens profiles and addresses with emails if they have them. Price without the Cd would be about $25.00 My wife plans on offering a service to men who are currently using internet free dating sites to help with translations between men and women. She said it will help men to understand what the women are writing about.

The second book would include about another 200 letters and advice to men about what to do when you girl immigrates. It will deal with her emotions etc regarding moving to another country etc and what to expect. I've been asked to add a few chapters about what it's like for us.Gee, thanks we do count!

They will be all ebooks only, no hardcopies.

Posted by: Chrismc

So if they are all eBooks how do you intend to promote them and by what methods and when will they be ready to go? I ask because I know quite a bit about this type of thing.

Posted by: GentleGiant

That CD is not going to be worth much, those details are going to "age" very quickly; access to a data base that is regularly updated would be better; but then that makes you a dating agency yourself, doesn't it??.

Posted by: Raka

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

So if they are all eBooks how do you intend to promote them and by what methods and when will they be ready to go? I ask because I know quite a bit about this type of thing.

We will have our own internet site to sell the ebook through paypal. It will be in PDF format. The CD will be updated every month and those that buy it will be able to obtain access to the site where you can look at any updated profiles etc. We still have some things to work out and remember it's still in the planning stage. The book will be ready to go in a a few Months.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Raka

OK Raka, next question, how do you intend to promote your website? there are obvious answers, but it is not cheap and you would have to sell a shed load of books to make money.

Posted by: Spakoyna

I think the book should be free to the RMP!

Maybe us married guys should have a closed forum that costs a quarter to enter and 10 cents per question asked!

PS Don't forget Kashyars's royalties as well!

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Raka / Chrismc: The cheapest way to promote would be using Google's adwords. You only pay for the click throughs and you can very easily limit the amount of money you spend. i.e. maximum spending a day is $2.00 and only spend $0.05 per click through.

Posted by: Manchester

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Originally Posted by blucatz

$50 is pretty high priced for a 200 page information book.

My book is out in April, also 200 pages, it will be priced less than half that. Info on my profile for anyone who is interested.

Posted by: Chrismc

Blues

I know all about Google Adwords, I spend over $12k a month with the buggers on one site alone, and $6 a month on another site, but Adwords is not the be all and end all here, it is a lot lot more complex than that, that is why I said that it can be an expensive way for Raka to promote his book. Limiting his spend to $2 a day would get him nowhere. Not enough clicks to do any good. Sales is about numbers, lots of numbers = sales! the internet is just the same, that is why Google are so sucessful.

So selling a single book, from a website is not easy unless you know what you are doing with IM, Google, et al. However, there are plenty of other ways to do it

but a mixture of a number of different schemes is the best and cheapest.

Chris

Posted by: Manchester

The problem with e-books is that it is hard to market them effectively amongst all the other competing titles. Capturing the target market is always quite difficult on the internet, especially in this genre as you are competing with agencies using the same keywords and similar search terms.

E-books have a reduced credibility due to there being a lot of badly written crap out there on this topic. The upfront investment to create one is peanuts, compared to a real book (with paper) and an e-book often circumvents a publishers eagle eye and opinion. I have seen some dire e-books, and few good ones.

I decided to do our book as a real book primarily for reasons of credibility in the market place, added to the fact that many people, even in the internet age still prefer an actual physical book in their hands. I also think people are not too keen on paying $12-$20 (Let alone $50) for an e-book, when it is after all, just an emailed file that is often locked to the hard drive.

There is one (paper) book on Amazon retailing at $78 on our topic, but it is vanity published, is unlikely to be selling too well.

Pricing is a quite important point in virtual or physical publishing, getting it across to newbie people that a few dollars for some knowledge in a book is a fraction of what they would be scammed for at sites such as A-Web if they dont know what they are doing is hard.

I think it takes quite specific and rather good marketing skills to market any book, let alone one in an area such as Russian women that the door is rapidly closing on.

Posted by: disculmawsu

Raka,
Has your wife thought about repositioning the focus of book, not to Western men, but to Slavic women? It occurs to me that this might beneficial to them to have someone who has gone through the experience. Another suggestion is to reposition as a human interest story. I am sure that many poeple would be interested the moviations why you both sought a spouse from a foriegn country. She might want to do a lecture series in your hometown about life in the FSU using to generate interest about the book. Just suggestions.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

I'll probably get shot down for this but I think its really tacky.

A book like that should never be able to make money when there are sites like the RMP that can give the same advice for free.

JMHO

Posted by: Stirlitz

Not really. It takes something to find this site. You may get the book earlier. And, even if you find it, it is different from a book. Too many opinions. I would prefer a book. What’s more you can combine the two approaches, reading books and forums.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Not really. It takes something to find this site. You may get the book earlier. And, even if you find it, it is different from a book. Too many opinions. I would prefer a book. What’s more you can combine the two approaches, reading books and forums.

Google Russian Bride mate and you'll find this site. There are many differences between an eBook and this site;
1. An eBook is 1 usually one persons opinion, even if many have contributed only material the editor wants in will get in. This site has the opinions of many people and unless something really offensive occurs every post is here to stay.
2. It has been acknowledged that both eBooks mentioned here will cost money. This site is free.
3. The info in the eBook is subject to change and cannot be changed very easily. The info on this site is as up to date as the people who supply it and the discussions that surround the issue bring many things to light that would otherwise not be known because nobody knows everything there is to know.

There are more but I am sure I have made my point.

Posted by: Raka

Well it may be tacky to you but as of today my wife holds a nice little check for $5000 in her hands as an advance payment from a book publisher that has picked up the rights to the book.

The book has some information that you would never pick up on a site such as this, For instance, Women discussing what they think about sex and love, this is a very personal issue with these women and I do not think any RU women would write about that on any site. These women are too private for that. Also information gives you an insight into how the Slavic woman thinks. The old saying, fore warned is well armed. The RU woman thinks differently and you’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. I'm speaking from experience of being married to one.

One last thought for you, women think Porn mags are tacky too, but how many men buy them!

Posted by: AkMike

Cool, I hope it's a money maker and better yet that it'll help guys get a good idea of what's in store for them as they search.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Raka, you have to be kidding yourself thinking that a women who would talk of sex knowing it would be published in a book wouldn't talk about it online if the conditions were the same.

As for the $5000 cheque, congratulations but doesn't this mean it will be written on paper and not just be an eBook? Anyone can publish an eBook, as has been pointed out, and most eBooks are written to bleed a market that could not otherwise be bled. Seriously how many western me are going to go into a bookshop and purchase a book about foreign brides and how to get happiness with one (let alone a book with a sealed sextion). Not knowing the conditions of the contract that goes with the $5000 I dont know but I could take a guess and say that if it does go to paper their would be some limitations or other conditions placed on the eBook version.

Why is it guys resort to talking about porn when the word tacky is used? We are discussing a book about international relationships Raka not porn. Furthermore your statement suggests that even though women think porn is tacky men still buy it, does that then mean if a man thinks the eBook idea is tacky that a woman would buy it even though it is not for them?

Raka, do you think that because you are married to a Russian woman that you know everything about relationships with these women. Do you think that, apart from sex talk which is available online if you know where to look, your book seriously offers your desired demographic any more than a site like (but not limited to) the RMP does?

What do you REALLY want from this book? Do you want to help people in their quest for a bride from the FSU? or do you want to make money from your experience? People can get help from a site like this without paying for it, expecting people to know alot more just from your experience and asking them to pay for the right to read it when similar things are already freely available online is tacky.

Something for you to ponder which I know for a fact and some members here know what I am talking about. Women from the FSU are not as insular about sex as men from the west want to believe. I communicate with a few women ranging from 21 through to 45 year olds and none have real difficulty discussing desires and intimacy. I dont need a book to find out about what an FSU woman thinks of sex I just need their genuine trust and this is just as a friend who lives along way away.

Posted by: Raka

Yes you think you know what your talking about but how long have you been looking oz? as I recall a long time now. I'm married to a RU which makes me a lot more experienced than you. You have no idea what you are talking about as you do not even know what the book contains. What the book contains you will never read on this site. It's not about making money but about sharing peoples thoughts and and issues with these types of relationships and hopefully help others with this type of relationship. If my wife wants to make a few bucks along the way good luck to her.

Oh and that crap book that Elena Models sell, over 2000 ebooks sold! And that book is crap!

Seeya

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Raka

Would this book be of interest to you? Would you buy it?

I would be interested in you comments and will answer any questions as best as I can.

Dont get all ****ty with me when you finish the first post of with the above.

You asked if people here would be interested in it, my individual answer is NO. You asked for comments I gave you mine. Get all defensive all you like but you asked and I obliged. Maybe next time rephrase your request so you only get the milk and honey answers that you want.

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Originally Posted by RAKA

Yes you think you know what your talking about but how long have you been looking oz? as I recall a long time now. I'm married to a RU which makes me a lot more experienced than you. You have no idea what you are talking about as you do not even know what the book contains. What the book contains you will never read on this site. It's not about making money but about sharing peoples thoughts and and issues with these types of relationships and hopefully help others with this type of relationship. If my wife wants to make a few bucks along the way good luck to her.

Oh and that crap book that Elena Models sell, over 2000 ebooks sold! And that book is crap!

Seeya

The issue here is not actually about an eBook (that now looks like it will be on paper) but about how you want people to answer your questions. I'm an Aussie ok, I say it how I see it. I ask you questions you dont answer them but you fire off slack comments between rounds. I dont think I know it all and have never proclaimed to know more than anyone else, unlike you who thinks because you are married you can advise others on everything about FSU women. Dont you think that like all other people on this planet the women of the FSU are individuals and DONT all follow the MO you are saying you know so much about.

The sentence that is getting this response was out of line and shows the level you are willing to sink to to fire off slack comments. As for how long I have been looking, sorry to tell you mate that has nothing to do with you or your book. I will fill you in a little bit though. I have had relationships in Oz in between looking but you dont give a crap about that all you see is some guy who has been looking for a relationship for x number of years without taking out how long he wasn't available for anyway.

You hit the nail on the head with Elena's eBook. I have never read it, I was given a copy by another aussie who thought he was the font of all knowledge too concerning all things FSU. He also gave me copies of 3 others that were also all crap and all apparently written by people who "just want to help others in their quest". He gave ,e these books saying that they were "good stuff". Well from my experience these books are TACKY, thats my answer to you. Dont get ****ty about it.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

2. It has been acknowledged that both eBooks mentioned here will cost money. This site is free.

Actually the site is not "free". Just a reminder that it is through Kash's generous nature that we are able to post messages.

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Google Russian Bride mate and you'll find this site.

It can be a revelation (to me certainly) but there are a lot of people who do not know what Google is and even if they do they do not know how to use it and even if they know how, they simply don’t use it

And this is probably the majority of those who are technically connected to the Internet. What we see on the forums is perhaps 10% or so of those who are active, computer-savvy and not too conservative to use the damn thing.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

Actually the site is not "free". Just a reminder that it is through Kash's generous nature that we are able to post messages.

Playing with words are we Blues? Have you ever paid a subscription fee to use this site? Check this out hey, log out clear your cache of passwords and then come back to the RMP at the top of your screen will be a popdown bar that says something like join the RMP its FREE. To you and me and everyone else who uses this site to gather information and share it the site is FREE. Yes Kashyar owns it and pays for it but that is a totally different thing and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Yes there are people who dont know about Google but lets not mince words here (or search engines as the case may be) MSN had this: http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?...rides&FORM=MSNH
Yahoo had this: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...&iscqry=&fr=sfp
Msn was the 4th entry and yahoo was on the 1st page.
Yes I am aware that these are US based search engines but lets face it 90% of the worlds users of the internet who live in the western world know about at least one of the 3. The beauty about Google is you dont have to be "damm" savvy to use it.
It really doesn't matter anyway so we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Msn was the 4th entry and yahoo was on the 1st page.
The beauty about Google is you dont have to be "damm" savvy to use it.

The trick is it is not just people do not know how to use them or are not savvy enough.

It might be they don’t care or it never dawns on them to see what can be found on the Internet about the subject.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

If they cant find it on the internet how in hell are they going to find an eBook? You are proving my argument for me, you know that don't you!

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

If they cant find it on the internet how in hell are they going to find an eBook? You are proving my argument for me, you know that don't you!

I can not agree more! you will find any e-book, that sells, is closely related and tied to an internet site that advertises and invests heavly in "search engines" or else their e-book would never be found! There is no direct correlation between advertising and sales, but without advertsing there would be NO SALES.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Playing with words are we Blues? Have you ever paid a subscription fee to use this site?

I did know what you mean.

However I was just trying to give a shout out and props to Kash and his generous nature. Just reminding people.

Personally very thankful that he started a website and everyone can post and share their thoughts and ideas.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by BluesTraveler

what Kash has done, can not be quantified! he has made it possible for all of us to not only voice are very inaduaqte (sp-sorry) opinions, but also allowed us to find a ton of information

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

what Kash has done, can not be quantified! he has made it possible for all of us to not only voice are very inaduaqte (sp-sorry) opinions, but also allowed us to find a ton of information

And in so doing has made eBooks something that are not required because all the info is available here (or in similar places) if you are willing to spend the time looking and asking questions. And yes Khashyar and Lena have invested their own money and time (something for which I am extremely thankful) for the wider "seeking a foreign partner community" to have such a great resource.

The point of all this is we are better off asking questions and getting many opinions from many people who have experience in such matters than to buy an eBook that is basically one persons opinion.

Posted by: blucatz

But, 99% of the opinions that are given here are from men, would be nice to hear more for a woman's perspective on some subjects.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by blucatz

But, 99% of the opinions that are given here are from men, would be nice to hear more for a woman's perspective on some subjects.

I agree totally, Lena posts rarely in the general section although I am sure she reads some of it and would correct any serious errors. I haven't seen Jill around for a long time but then again I haven't been here for a while either, then there is InLove her advice was always spot on to. I dont know what has happened to Kathy but she was always willing to let her opinion be known to.

As for having the opinions of more women alot of that is up to the guys who are successful in their search. By this I mean do they encourage their ladies to participate in the discussions on the site. I realise it is an individual choice whether to take part or not but how many guys are telling their ladies about the RMP? and suggesting they take part? If they have why aren't the ladies joining in? Is the RMP to chauvinistic? (I think it is!!!!!)

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

If they cant find it on the internet how in hell are they going to find an eBook? You are proving my argument for me, you know that don't you!

No. It is going to find them itself

I assume there will be banner ads and other advertising.

It is always this way: when you are new to something or don’t care for it initially, it gets to you by ads. When you are interested in it or know what you want, you use Google to get it.

Besides, even though it is an e-book, it is not prohibited from offline advertising by the law

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

No. It is going to find them itself

I assume there will be banner ads and other advertising.

So an inanimate object will find its own buyers, even with language differences thats not correct. Your own statement before about people not being "damm savvy" about the internet still doesn't gel. How do people find the personal sites? Umm by doing a search. HOw do people find the RMP?Ummmm by doing a search. How do people get banner adds that relate to the eBook? Ummmm. by doing a search that is related to Russian women and international relationships, the same search that will find the RMP and the personal sites.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

It is always this way: when you are new to something or don’t care for it initially, it gets to you by ads. When you are interested in it or know what you want, you use Google to get it.

Thats not an accurate assumption. Word of mouth is by far the biggest tool in advertising. People making recomendations help to sell a product, but one person bad mouthing a product can turn hundreds of not thousands away from it.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Besides, even though it is an e-book, it is not prohibited from offline advertising by the law

Who said it was? Not me! Also I would point you to Raka's post about a publisher paying $5000 up front for it, this to me suggests it will be on paper to.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

As for having the opinions of more women alot of that is up to the guys who are successful in their search. By this I mean do they encourage their ladies to participate in the discussions on the site. I realise it is an individual choice whether to take part or not but how many guys are telling their ladies about the RMP? and suggesting they take part? If they have why aren't the ladies joining in? Is the RMP to chauvinistic? (I think it is!!!!!)

This site is chauvinistic? Oh, say it aint so...LOL

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

So an inanimate object will find its own buyers

Yes. Figuratively! By means of advertising, word of mouth, etc.

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

How do people find the personal sites? Umm by doing a search. HOw do people find the RMP?Ummmm by doing a search. How do people get banner adds that relate to the eBook? Ummmm. by doing a search

What about links? Some people only surf by going to a web site and clicking on links there. Search is just one option.

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

one person bad mouthing a product can turn hundreds of not thousands away from it.

It’s not a fact. It depends. Sometimes you get sympathetic to the person who is lambasted by others especially when you see their ways. Actually, some people even use scandals to promote themselves.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Yes. Figuratively!

So you agree with me then.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

By means of advertising, word of mouth, etc.

You must cause you are saying what I said.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

What about links? Some people only surf by going to a web site and clicking on links there. Search is just one option.

And how do they find the website? probably by doing a search on a search engine.If the person isn't interested, doesn't care, or isn't damm savvy (your words not mine) their not going to be bothered looking on the net anyway are they, why waste time looking at something you aren't interested in or dont care about? Don't you see you are helping prove me right.

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

So you would willingly purchase a product knowing it is defective? Bad press can kill sales good press only helps if there are people who care, are interested, or are damm savvy in what they are looking at purchasing.

Posted by: nocomfortzone

I really don't understand all the fuss.

Well done on someone exploring creating something of their own and sharing what they learnt. I think it is a well meaning project and great to see a lady from FSU exploring ways of sharing her insights and generating some possible income at the same time.

I hope it goes well and her book is a success.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

I really don't understand all the fuss.

There is no fuss, we were asked our opinions and now we are discussing the validity of those opinions.

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

Well done on someone exploring creating something of their own and sharing what they learnt. I think it is a well meaning project and great to see a lady from FSU exploring ways of sharing her insights and generating some possible income at the same time.

You are correct but what is the basis of this? It is not clear why the desired result is? If it is to help people then the price is way to steep and expecting someone to pay so much is naive, but if it is to gain an income from life experience and charging people an exorbitant price then it is just like every other eBook on this subject.

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I hope it goes well and her book is a success.

As we all do.

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

There is no fuss, we were asked our opinions and now we are discussing the validity of those opinions.

You are correct but what is the basis of this? It is not clear why the desired result is? If it is to help people then the price is way to steep and expecting someone to pay so much is naive, but if it is to gain an income from life experience and charging people an exorbitant price then it is just like every other eBook on this subject.

As we all do.

ok ozGuy, I sense where you are coming from. Taking a cynical view of possible motivates. You could be right. We don't actually know the motives. I guess I tend to assume people are doing it for well meaning motives and I could be making a mistake in doing that.

Some misguided character on here today wrongly assumed I was interested in this path of seeking a bride from overseas and wanted me to join Elena's models which apparently is a marriage egency. I laugh of the thought of doing something so crazy to my mind. Now if I'm correct that is to do with a lady from Russia now living in Australia that had some questionable e-book on the internet. I'm sure I've read that name of Elena on here quite frequently from guys looking for a wife from that part of world and I suspect she is into marriage agency industy.

I remember browsing through some e-mails a few years ago when I was searching for a bit about that part of the world after meeting a Ukraine girl when I was simply going the normal online dating exploration and even though I was not looking to marry someone from overseas I still was interested in learning some of the cultural thinking of females from that part of the world. as I was developing a friendshio of sorts with this girl at the time.

This Elena woman did not impress me one bit with the supposed advice she was giving in what I remember read. There was some common sense advice but the rest seemed dodgy in the way she thought. If woman from FSU all thought like her I would not have a bar of them.
Thankfully the Ukraine girl I was getting to know was nothing like her but the impression of the dodgy free ebook (i think it was one, maybe it was some e-mail course I subscribed to when I wanted to know a bit more of how a FSU woman may think)

Hopefully Raka's wifes motives are nothing like Elena as I think that woman was just out to make a buck of the western guys looking for a wife from her origins.

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

So you would willingly purchase a product knowing it is defective?

Knowing the human nature I would not trust it is defective. Perhaps they are jealous.

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So you agree with me then.

Don't you see you are helping prove me right.

Yes, yes! OK, OK! You will sell ashes to the devil. I give up

But it still turns around

Posted by: nocomfortzone

Hey Igor, you sound like an interesting character and wonderful to hear a male Ukraine perspective on here. I would love to hear your thoughts of a male perspective of females in your own culture plus your thoughts of western men and women.

Maybe you could even write a book of what you've learnt in your line of career helping tourists and just life in your part of the world.
Any interest ?

I meet a Ukraine girl and even been to your part of world for a week but my interest goes a lot deeper in just learning more of the people from the former Soviet Union having been so isolated from rest of the world for so many years.

Posted by: Stirlitz

Sounds like a good plan; but I am not sure if I will be able to sell this book (and I do not have the slightest idea of the actual process). Besides, I am a bit unsure whether it makes sense to write at all. I believe that the above authors and Elena’s models have covered all the aspect. What can I add?

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Knowing the human nature I would not trust it is defective. Perhaps they are jealous.

Human nature has nothing to do with a bad rap. If a product is not what it is supposed to be people will tell others. Jealousy of an inanimate object does not make sense.

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Yes, yes! OK, OK! You will sell ashes to the devil. I give up

I am really hoping this makes sense in Ukrainian cause it doesn't in English. Idont want you to give up, I just want to understand what you mean.

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But it still turns around

No it doesn't.

Posted by: Stirlitz

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

I am really hoping this makes sense in Ukrainian cause it doesn't in English. Idont want you to give up, I just want to understand what you mean.

Well whatever I say, you claim I only support your point

so it does not make sense not to give up

Perhaps if I agree with you it will work the other way around :P

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

No it doesn't.

I was referring to the famous words that Galileo uttered after formally renouncing his own theory that the Earth turns around

(not quite sure about the details).

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

Well whatever I say, you claim I only support your point

so it does not make sense not to give up

Perhaps if I agree with you it will work the other way around :P

Mate with all due respect you have actually said the same thing I have on at least one occasion, now if that is not agreeing with me then what is?

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Originally Posted by Stirlitz

I was referring to the famous words that Galileo uttered after formally renouncing his own theory that the Earth turns around

(not quite sure about the details).

I am so glad you cleared that up for me because from what you have said so far I would not have picked Galileo as being part of any of this. BTW he was saying the Earth revolved around the sun and went against the might of the Roman Church whose doctrine preached that the Earth was the centre of the physical universe and that everything else revolved around it.