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Post-Valentine's/Post-Eclipse Blues
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Posted by: Raspberry

Some interesting things happening right after Valentine's Day and the Lunar Eclipse

(1) Three of the girls(one each in Mariupol, Omsk, and Lugansk) have not answered back since before Valentine's Day, though I have written them since.

(2) I want to send a follow-up letter to the one in Zaporozhye, after calling her on V-Day, due to not knowing each other's languages that well. However, this one card always rejects a transaction sent to Angelika, even when I had $2000 in the account. My other cards are no problem...but the problem is I won't have any credit on them until the time they clear(three days away). So no messages or gifts.

(3) The girl in Lugansk was kicked off Elena's Models, due to "unethical conduct". However, on another forum, she said that the guy only came over to Ukraine as a "sex tourist", didn't get what he wanted, and is labeling her as a scammer for revenge purposes. (It was not determined if this was really her saying this or not).

(4) I had hoped to go to Ukraine this week, as a make-up for the two previously cancelled trips, but I was only able to get four days off, which is not enough. (Just as well, since I was low on funds due to unexpected expenses, as well as paying some bills early. And God only knows what would have happened to me in Lugansk.)

(5) Tatyana(the girl that blind-sided me a few months back) likely only has a few more days for her fiance visa to expire(based on the time frame guess). And who knows, it may have already expired. But, on the general principle of checking marriage licenses in Dallas, her name has not appeared. So, it's likely that things fell apart, and immigration may have sent her back to Ukraine.

(6) My ex-girlfriend has been calling me a lot more lately. Ironically, she has been calling more, where the FSU girls are writing less(and mostly not at all). A bit of deja vu here.......I originally only started dating her when others flaked out on me. But I am not going to knuckle under this time.(She has been constantly "hinting" about a permanent relationship.)

(7) One of my co-workers is trying to set me up with one of his wife's friends, who lives in Bangkok. Granted, she is kind of cute, and I would like to visit Thailand at some point......but frankly, I don't really see any future with her,
or anyone that doesn't have similar cultural values, or interests as mine.

Posted by: Chillidog

In the past I had be writting (never talked on the phone to them) to two women from Lugansk and they both disappeared on me at almost the exact time, and with all I read about the big scam racket in Lugansk it makes a person wonder. I know there are "real" women there but for my dollar I see "Lugansk" in their profile and do not even give them the time of day anymore.

I feel the same way as you do about "Bangkok, or Asian women in general" they just do not work for me, and have the same feeling syou have on cultural differences.

at this time would not even want to put my .02 in, just wishing you good luck.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hi Raz, didn't know you were shopping for a bride. I thought you were in it for travel and culture.

I've had problems getting e-mails to the FSU for the last 2-3 weeks. My finacee never got my valentine e-card and she received an e-mail from me 3 days after I wrote it. Also Skype has a lot of hang ups lately. Even my Internet connection acts a bit slow sometimes. I wouldn't blame it on the women, it might be a network problem. Try to e-mail them again. I've heard some don't reply until they get a second e-mail from a guy.

Good luck with your search.

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

In the past I had be writting (never talked on the phone to them) to two women from Lugansk and they both disappeared on me at almost the exact time, and with all I read about the big scam racket in Lugansk it makes a person wonder. I know there are "real" women there but for my dollar I see "Lugansk" in their profile and do not even give them the time of day anymore.

Kind of ironic that I automatically "deduct points" against anyone from Lugansk(or for that matter, Yoshkar-Ola).....and the one time I start writing to some one from Lugansk, this happens. I think I will name my next band "Lou Gansk and the Scammers"

But seriously, I am ever skeptical of Lugansk/Yoshkar-Ola women, and to lesser extent, for different reasons, Vinnitsa(users), and Yekaterinberg(mafia).

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

I feel the same way as you do about "Bangkok, or Asian women in general" they just do not work for me, and have the same feeling syou have on cultural differences.

And may I add, that there is more of a cultural difference than just race, too. I have more in common with a black woman in Ethiopia(which is predominantly Orthodox, incidentally) than I do with a white woman in, let's say, some small town in Oklahoma----to illustrate an extreme example.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I've had problems getting e-mails to the FSU for the last 2-3 weeks. My finacee never got my valentine e-card and she received an e-mail from me 3 days after I wrote it. Also Skype has a lot of hang ups lately. Even my Internet connection acts a bit slow sometimes. I wouldn't blame it on the women, it might be a network problem. Try to e-mail them again. I've head some don't reply until they get a second e-mail from a guy.

Thanks for pointing this out. I will have to resend some of the letters. Particularly the one for the girl in Omsk. I know Siberia in particular has chronic server problems all allong

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

at this time would not even want to put my .02 in, just wishing you good luck.

Spasiba to you and GTR and everyone else who put their 0.02 Grivnya in.

Posted by: GentleGiant

All except one of the scammers I have come across came from either Lugansk or Yoshka-ola.

I did read somewhere that whole families are in on the scam in these places, welcoming the "mark" in and making him feel at home, while they soften him up for the big "kill".

I certainly wont go near there now; although I am sure there must be SOME genuine girls there.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant

All except one of the scammers I have come across came from either Lugansk or Yoshka-ola.

I did read somewhere that whole families are in on the scam in these places, welcoming the "mark" in and making him feel at home, while they soften him up for the big "kill".

I certainly wont go near there now; although I am sure there must be SOME genuine girls there.

There is one agency in Yoshkar-ola that I can recommend, happened upon it from Elena's Models recommending it on her site, it is a local agency and you will not find the girls that are on this site (Maksim Introductions--yoshkarola.com/e/) on any other dating site. When I went to Arkhangelsk in 2006 it was between seeing the girl in Arkhangelsk or the one in Yoshkar-ola, choose Arkhangelsk maybe should have chosen the other one.

Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

Thanks for pointing this out. I will have to resend some of the letters. Particularly the one for the girl in Omsk. I know Siberia in particular has chronic server problems all allong

I have never had any server problems in Omsk. Only problems I have is my Lady's phone doesn't like to receive any Yahoo messages. We talk on the phone, email, IM with no problems at all.

Posted by: Raspberry

Well, an interesting twist in the situation. This one lady in Sumy, who I thought I had a marginal chance with, did send me an e-mail to call her, and gave me her phone number.

She said to call her, as it's her birthday on the 24th.....well....I just got the e-mail tonight.........the little agency in Sumy had a note apologizing to me that they had problem with the system.

But I will call her at the soonest reasonable opportunity, probably around 11pm our time since Sumy has a 10-hour difference.

And I did get an e-mail from my friend's wife's friend in Bangkok. We have been sending informal messages, since I am considering going with them.
However, this one e-mail note says "You're my heart, and I know I can't live without my heart."

It would be one thing if I met her in person, and the vibes clicked. But she has not seen a picture of me, nor ever talked to me on the phone. She's just going on hearsay......and it's obvious that she is looking for a green card, when someone does that. No thanks.

Thailand can wait. I'll just go with my neighbors the next time, instead of my other friend and his wife. I just don't like the vibe of this........

My mind is set on the FSU......

Stay tuned for future developments...

Posted by: Raspberry

Well, had some dislexia yesterday and today.........called the girl in Sumy, and got a disconnected number. But tried again, and apparentlly I dialed the number wrong. Did get the girl, and talked to her a little, but she had a bunch of friends over for dinner, so it was a short conversation.

As for Omsk, I typed the e-mail address in manually, instead of using the stored one. And discovered I did it wrong. So, yet another re-send.
However, the previous two messages(still unanswered--and not typical of her doing so) were done using the stored address. So the jury is still out.

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

In general, Ethiopian Christians are a part of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, of which the Coptic Orthodox Church (which is what the church is in Ethiopia) is considered the spriritual head.

While the nomenclature is similar, nonetheless the Oriental Churches are distinct and separate from what we know as Eastern Orthodoxy, of which the Russian Orthodox Church is a part.

While less well known than the breaking away from the Church by the Roman Bishop in the 11th century (popularly known as the Great Schism, creating what is now known as the Roman Catholic Church), it is nonethless real and occurred in the 5th century AD.

Posted by: Raspberry

Yes, Go For It, I was aware the "schism"......but in general, the Copts still practice the religion in a manner that is somewhat close to what the Russians do, though they are indeed a separate church.

Getting back to the updates.....heard from the girl in Omsk, and she just sent a one-liner, to tell me to have a nice week, but nothing else.

Posted by: Raspberry

Well, the ex is packed up and on her way to Texas. But it's going to be weird, knowing that she and Tanya will only be within a four hour drive of each other, in the same state.

Ironically, I will be there in a couple of weeks, for the music festival.

A couple of weeks ago, this lady was on the ferry, and her car had a "UA" sticker on it. Talked to her about Ukraine, and she was surprised hearing about my trips over there. I was invited to come over for church services.

Although the Catholic and Evangelical Ukrainian churches have permanent locations, and weekly sunday services.......the Ukrainian Orthodox church in Seattle uses the secondary chapel at the Episcopal Church, and only once a month.

At the lunch after church, I was formally introduced to the parishoners there.
It was quite an experience. Most are from the West, and have never been to much--if at all--of the places I've been to. And yes, great food, too! Really nice people!

Haven't had any e-mails from the Lugansk lady lately. So, apparently, she possibly may be a scammer, as suspected. Nothing from Mariupol or Omsk or Sumy, either.

I kind of chewed my friend out about the "over the top" letter from his wife's friend in Thailand. But he says that is "normal" for Thai women. I'm not really buying it, though. Next day, I get a letter from the girl, apologizing. Nice. But I still can't see myself with anyone from over there.

And, I did get a nice letter back from the lady I met in Zaporozhye, after getting more credits at Angelika/RWN. She understood what the deal was, and is looking forward to hearing from me(and seeing me)soon.

Well, we have another holiday coming up soon---Women's Day. So, we'll see how things go from here.

Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

Well, the ex is packed up and on her way to Texas. But it's going to be weird, knowing that she and Tanya will only be within a four hour drive of each other, in the same state.

Ironically, I will be there in a couple of weeks, for the music festival.

Ras, sorry, do not know your history, were you married to an RW and now divorced and she is living near a prevoius ex?

regarding our earlier posts about Asian people, I can not say for myself it is because of religious differences. I was raised and I am catholic, my only concern on religion is that they belive in God and that their belief was that Jesus was the son of God. I personally do not go to church regulatrly, my parents, sisters do (my ex was not catholic or baptised but was accepted by my family because she believed in God) but I am my own man, so even if they did not accept her I would have still married her. Just like searching for an FSU woman, my parents think what everyone uneducated person will think, GCG, but I know I will find a good woman and she will by just being herself win there hearts and love. But there are some cultures whos' view on God and Jesus are different then mine, I could never see my self marring a person who was "Atheist" or did not have the same basic religous foundation that I have. Not that the Asians are Atheist, but besides a minimual simularity in religion, I am not attracted to their general appearnce (call me racist-but that is not true) I am eastern European by looks (my father is Polish, my mother is Italian) and the eastern european woman looks is what I find attractive.

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

Yes, Go For It, I was aware the "schism"......but in general, the Copts still practice the religion in a manner that is somewhat close to what the Russians do, though they are indeed a separate church.

I wonder why you have "schism" in quotes. The Copts and the Orthodox (with possibly one notable exception) do not practice intercommunion, which is a tell tale sign of how each officially views the other. In Jerusalem, the Patriarch of my church and the Coptic Patriarch even share the same building, are kind and cordial to one another, but each considers the other a heretic for sure.

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

Ras, sorry, do not know your history, were you married to an RW and now divorced and she is living near a prevoius ex?

Actually, I used to date a gal from Texas(American-born Non-Russian), but she still had a lot of problems, and it looked like there was no future with her. After things fell apart, she moved back to Texas. Since then, I decided to go visit the FSU(Ukraine, specifically).....and eventually started looking around there.

I had corresponded with this Ukrainian woman in Mariupol for about two years, and came over to visit four times. Ironic timing that my ex from Texas moves back to Seattle(albeit temporarily) just before things fell apart with the girl from Mariupol.

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Originally Posted by Chillidog

regarding our earlier posts about Asian people, I can not say for myself it is because of religious differences. I was raised and I am catholic, my only concern on religion is that they belive in God and that their belief was that Jesus was the son of God. I personally do not go to church regulatrly, my parents, sisters do (my ex was not catholic or baptised but was accepted by my family because she believed in God) but I am my own man, so even if they did not accept her I would have still married her. Just like searching for an FSU woman, my parents think what everyone uneducated person will think, GCG, but I know I will find a good woman and she will by just being herself win there hearts and love. But there are some cultures whos' view on God and Jesus are different then mine, I could never see my self marring a person who was "Atheist" or did not have the same basic religous foundation that I have. Not that the Asians are Atheist, but besides a minimual simularity in religion, I am not attracted to their general appearnce (call me racist-but that is not true) I am eastern European by looks (my father is Polish, my mother is Italian) and the eastern european woman looks is what I find attractive.

Keep in mind that there are some Koreans who are Presbyterian, and some Chinese who are Catholic. And most Filipinos are Catholic, too.......BUT... I'd have to say that we are on the "same page" on this one, overall......I am more attracted to Eastern Europeans, more than any other kind of women.

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Originally Posted by goforit

It doesn't seem that the separation between the Copts and Orthodox are anywhere near what the Catholics are---at least by the experience I have had. I often see Ethiopians at Greek services. And in fact, during certain major holidays, some Africans will get up and do part of the liturgy in Amharic(Ethiopian) or Tigrinya(Eritrean) languages.

But I have yet to see any ET's at any Russian services. Then again, most Russian churches I've been to are stand-up, and no seating, for the most part.