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writing 1 woman on Anastasia. Would appreciate any thoughts

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Posted by: Chillidog

First this discussion started on a different thread so I will try to be brief and give a little background.

I would like to keep this to just comments about how to continue to communicate with this "one" particular woman and not about "AnastasiaWeb in general"

To begin GoForIt suggested in this other post to "google" this woman and try and find her on a different site. This is my results and research upon finding her on two different sites other than AW.

"Russian Women Network"
they appear to be just like AW in that they are a "Big Box" agency and do not appear to be a local agency.
They also work like AW you have to pay for each letter sent and each letter recieved this cost: 4 Euro (I have not converted this to US$) so I do not know how this compares to the $6 I have been paying at AW

They also state if you want the letter translated the cost is 8 Euro for 650 words but I am not sure if this is addition to the letter cost or just the total cost to send this letter.

There is also an additional fee of 3 Euro to send a color picture with your letter. No additional cost for this at AW.

They do allow purchasing of address, being American I have to at least send the initial letter through them with a declaration letter that the girl will see and if she accepts then I can purchase her info at 1/2 the cost because I already used the letter writing service.

"GalaBrides.Com"
this has got to be her "local agency" where she signed up. There are only a total of 50 women on this site. I give there web address so you can check them out because they are very strong in their statements that everyone is a "real" woman and everyone is single, and they have on file in their office a copy of every woman's passport and invite anyone if they are in Mariupol to come and visit them at there offices. Ok now a little about their costs.

again you have to pay to send and recieve every letter (probably having to do with AW) the cost for this (spending roughly the same amount for a package like at AW) is $7.69 per letter, and these letters are translated by there office so no additional fee for this just like AW.

there is also an additional cost to send a picture equal to the amount of 1 letter so in this scenerio it would be $7.69. If a woman wants to send you a picture the agency will notify you 1st because again the cost is $7.69 and they want your permission before they charge this fee. (I do not like the fact you have to pay for a picture but at least they give you the option first)

(adding this following note after original post)
I have through Anastasia asked her send me some regular life photos, as of this date have not received any from her, and I am not sure if she has made any comment back about why she has not sent photos----wonder if this request is not communicated to her by the local agency, maybe because of this additional cost for pictures, the local agency maybe getting just enough money from AW to cover their expenses and this "free" service by AW may cause them to lose money at the local agency level---just thinking out loud.

They do allow the purchasing of personal info
for postal address it is $19.95
if the woman has an e-mail address this an additional $19.98 (They state that not all have personal e-mail and will not charge if she does not)
you can in letters request her phone number

This particular woman "does not" have a personal e-mail address. So my question to everyone is this.

Since I have found this woman's "local agency" and they are very strong in there statements about everyone there being "real" do I-------

Write her at this "Local Agency"-Gala Brides, or write at "Russian Woman Network" which are both more expensive than AW

or continue writting her at AnastasiaWeb where it is in this "case" cheaper? or do you still feel that even though it can be proven she is real, that even if I write her at AW (which we have already exchanged 6 letters)that there is the possibilty that some "hairy Boris" will write the return letters to me???

Again I hope you will give me feed back on this subject

Thanks Bob



Posted by: GoingToRussia

Get her e-mail address the cheapest and fastest way you can. Cut out these agencies as soon as possible. If she is a "bust", start using good agencies like www.elenasmodels.com, www.freepersonals.ru, or www.allsinglerussiangirls.com.

If you want someone to translate e-mails, find someone on a website or someone through this forum. It will be cheaper. I can ask my fiancee to do it for half the price if you like. I'm not sure she will do it but she might.



Posted by: Spakoyna

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Get her e-mail address the cheapest and fastest way you can. Cut out these agencies as soon as possible. If she is a "bust", start using good agencies like www.elenasmodels.com, www.freepersonals.ru, or www.allsinglerussiangirls.com.

If you want someone to translate e-mails, find someone on a website or someone through this forum. It will be cheaper. I can ask my fiancee to do it for half the price if you like. I'm not sure she will do it but she might.


LOL He said she does not have a personal email address! Clean them spec's ole boy!



Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes, I see now ... must be old age creaping in! Thanks for keeping this dinosaur on his toes!

Tell her to go to an Internet cafe and get an e-mail address, then send it to you. Maybe you will have to get her address first. Or get her phone number and then tell her.

In any event, stop using these "racket" agencies as soon as possible.



Posted by: GentleGiant

She may not be confident enough to set one up, or even know how! So set one up for her and send her the details and password to use it!!



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
She may not be confident enough to set one up, or even know how! So set one up for her and send her the details and password to use it!!

Thanks GG,
but to be honest I truly am a computer dummy, for me this sounds like a daunting task in itself, personally would not even know how to begin. But it is food for thought. I do have a friend who works in the IT dept. for a local Junior college (2 year college) if I go that route I'm sure he could help. Unless you feel in a couple of posts I could learn from you or someone else here. You may think it is really easy, and because never having attempted such I maybe making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Bob



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
She may not be confident enough to set one up, or even know how! So set one up for her and send her the details and password to use it!!

Hello again GG
I have a question for you if you do not mind?
I'm new (to RMP-but started my search for a FSU woman Nov. of 2005) made my first trip June 2006. I have been trying to read all of the different threads and just came across a post you did in "Buying a computer" thread you mentioned time and money as constraints. My question I do alright for myself financially but will never be a millionaire just lead a normal quite life, what is your take on the additional burden of an FSU women (I am divorced and have twin girls children who I am currently putting through college---yes a big expense especially having to do 2 at the same time) I have read elsewhere some wrote (who?) that they have been to Russia/Ukraine 4 times in I think 6 months----there is no way I could do that.
GG I hope you do not mind my asking your take on this FSU dating



Posted by: GentleGiant

Chiilidog, I am a Nursery Nurse, that's professional speak for minimum wage!! I can afford to make one or two visits a year; bearing in mind I have a son I make child support payments for.

I am not sure what you mean by additional burden; if you mean once married, I would guess they cost about the same as a normal wife. Living expenses in the FSU, outside of the tourist traps and places like Moscow are very cheap; I was paying less a week in a non tourist hotel than I was a night in a Novotel in Moscow, although the Gamma-Delta is very good value and excellent rooms; far better AND cheaper than the Novotel if you can get a booking. Huge meals were costing $10 compared to $60 an omelette in the Novotel and a day out at the Fun fair for the three of us, including taxi fares came to $20.

Setting up a Google or Yahoo mail account is very easy; you go to the home page, select a user name and password; and that is about it!! I would stick to googlemail as Micro$hit are trying to buy Yahoo, I have refused to use Hotmail for years because of the intrusive questions and demands they started making; and if they get control of yahoo, I can see it going the same way.

Read and learn about the pitfalls though, I am far too trusting and have got hurt on my trips; nothing new though, I get hurt just as often with relationships here in the UK. Read up carefully on scammers, techniques than warning signs; there are millions of women out there; so if the one you are interested sets off more and a few warning flags I suggest running away!!
I am not a looker, and I always tell them how poor I am, yet I get plenty of introductory letters whenever I post a profile, from 18 to 50 y/o women; if things don't feel right, shrug it off, say goodbye and reply to another one; I have written to everything from students, to shop assistants to the head of a Ballet and Theatrical Troupe.
Feel free to email me if you want anything more personal answered, but stay away from AnastasiaWeb and be very careful of Cindy Agency.
I have used and been happy with Elena's (expensive), Svetlana's (limited catalog) and Bride.ru (small risk of a scammer but lots of women).



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
...or continue writting her at AnastasiaWeb where it is in this "case" cheaper? or do you still feel that even though it can be proven she is real, that even if I write her at AW (which we have already exchanged 6 letters)that there is the possibilty that some "hairy Boris" will write the return letters to me???


Bob, why play with fire? Why take the chance when you don't have to do so?

Get her an email account, call her up, give her the username and password, and then say goodbye to AW.



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
I have used and been happy with Elena's (expensive), Svetlana's (limited catalog) and Bride.ru (small risk of a scammer but lots of women).


Bob, those are all good recommendations. I can even give you some more if you like.



Posted by: GoingToRussia

The Internet cafe will help her set up an account. No need to do it yourself. Just tell her not to share her password with anyone.



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Bob, why play with fire? Why take the chance when you don't have to do so?

Get her an email account, call her up, give her the username and password, and then say goodbye to AW.

GFI
when you say "why play with fire" do you mean do not write her at Anastasia even if it is 99% certain she is in fact a real person?

so far it seems the consensus is to write her via a personal e-mail and I do understand this logic compeletly. No one knows each person's individual history in our pursuit for a FSU. Mine unfortunately was going fantastic (met a different woman back in 2006, started plans of a second meeting) until we went the personal e-mail route, using Promt (quick history it was not my letters to her but trying to translate the letters I recieved from her) and then commuication problems started to raise up and even phone calls did not resolve the problem and she eventualy ended relationship just prior to sedond meeting. so I am a little "gun shy" of going this route again. Thought $6 dollars a letter was not to big a price to pay.
Never been scammed, I knew at Anastasia that not all 1st letters recieved by the women were written by them and could have been sent by agency's. My thinking was that the woman had certain perameters set up for men such as needed to be under or over certain age, hieght, weight---etc, kind of like we look for certain aspects of a woman before writting, and if a profile met her general requirements they would send initial letter. This is where I guess I was a little naive before RMP I never thought that once letters started to be exchanged that a "hairy Boris" maybe continuing the correspondence, and not the true woman, trust me I had alot of "hairy Boris's" writting me when I was using a free site but this goes back a couple of years and have not used a free site since then.



Posted by: Chillidog

GG wrote:
I have used and been happy with Elena's (expensive), Svetlana's (limited catalog) and Bride.ru (small risk of a scammer but lots of women).

GG
Thanks, for the help. Yea what I meant about additional burden was after they were with us and married to them. More then likely (unless they are fluent in our language) they would pretty much depend on us for everything and I think this is where we truly will need to show them a lot of patience and understanding because it will be a tremendous change in their lives, so much stress and worry for them.

As for Elena's I tried her for a short period and that was my thoughts very expensive when using her for translation of letters! Again at that time I just did not feel comfortable in using a computer translation program.

On a side note: I just have been in contact with the Language department at local University (I think maybe everyone has heard of this school becuase of the shooting and killings that just happened there less than a week ago) Northern Illinois University. To see about non credit instruction to learn Russian, recieved an e-mail from a Russian student (the head of the language dept forwarded a copy of my e-mail to her) she is interested in tutoring me. Going to check this out, because I am in this for the long haul.



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Bob, those are all good recommendations. I can even give you some more if you like.


Looking for all help and suggestions.
also the reason I started this thread is because I do not want to stop corresponding with the woman from Anastasia especially now that I am 99% she if for "real" she seems very genuien has answered all of my questions no stock letters with inserts, I would like to see where it leads but of course it is way to early to say I am going to meet her, so I am looking at all options and have look at one of GTR suggestions ---allsinglerussiangirls--- and this weekend when I have more time will give this a longer look and will probably join



Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
The Internet cafe will help her set up an account. No need to do it yourself. Just tell her not to share her password with anyone.

That's just what I was going to suggest. I'm sure they'd be able to set her up on mail.ru.



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
The Internet cafe will help her set up an account. No need to do it yourself. Just tell her not to share her password with anyone.

GTR,
I was just thinking, at this point I am not ready to commit to a visit to see her. If I ask her to set up an e-mail account at an Internet cafe. This will cost her some money-where now it does not.
How costly is this for her (Internet Cafe) she has 1 child and lives in the same flat with her mom, works as a hairdresser. Also I know she will also be able to use this to write others--for me at this point no problem-- she in all likelyhood is writing to others as it is now, but since I would be the person suggesting this I feel that maybe morally I should cover this cost for her???
I know an Internet cafe can not be that expensive but I have not met her and do not know her finacial situation, I would tend to think she does not have a lot of disposable money and this even if it is a small cost could be hard on her.



Posted by: Pin Boy

it's about a dollar an hour to use a computer at an internet cafe in the FSU. not much at all. get away from the clutches of the agency as soon as you can. also, if she is very interested, she'll make the effort if it is not too inconvenient for her to go to there.

pb



Posted by: GoingToRussia

If she is truely interested in you, she will spend the 25 robles ($1) to sent up an account an send you a letter.
Just another way to eliminate the scammer aspect.



Posted by: Chillidog

I thought I would post a picture of what I had and lost back in 2006. Do not pay attention to the date on the picture was using a digital camera and every time you change batteries (which happens quite often) you need to reset the date and I forgot half the time.

Picture taken at the Arkhangelsk Airport at 5:30 am on my way back home, this is old news now to me but at the time I did not realize this would be the last time I saw her



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin Boy
it's about a dollar an hour to use a computer at an internet cafe in the FSU. not much at all. get away from the clutches of the agency as soon as you can. also, if she is very interested, she'll make the effort if it is not too inconvenient for her to go to there.

pb


Now back to the important buisness.
Wrote the the girl this thread is about through Anastasia, and asked her about talking on the telephone, of course need to go thru Anastasia with a 3-way call, which is fine because I know her English is not good, but you can freely exchange person contact info, I can get her phone number so I can call her back myself, and also have an aquintance who is fluent in Russian and his wife is of 3 years is from Tver. so if ther are any problems in her understanding me about opening a personal e-mail, they will be able to help communicate this to her. Now just have to wait for her reply



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
GFI
when you say "why play with fire" do you mean do not write her at Anastasia even if it is 99% certain she is in fact a real person?


Yup. Nothing is certain with AW.

Quote:
so far it seems the consensus is to write her via a personal e-mail and I do understand this logic compeletly. No one knows each person's individual history in our pursuit for a FSU. Mine unfortunately was going fantastic (met a different woman back in 2006, started plans of a second meeting) until we went the personal e-mail route, using Promt (quick history it was not my letters to her but trying to translate the letters I recieved from her) and then commuication problems started to raise up and even phone calls did not resolve the problem and she eventualy ended relationship just prior to sedond meeting. so I am a little "gun shy" of going this route again.


Personally, unless it is a very short letter, I have all my letters translated. I usually run her letters through the translater just to get an idea what she is saying, but miscommunication does happen, and I would prefer to avoid it, especially in the early stages and when discussing important matters.

I also use a phone translator when speaking, though not all the time.

Quote:
Thought $6 dollars a letter was not to big a price to pay.


With 100% certainty it is not.



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Yup. Nothing is certain with AW.




With 100% certainty it is not.


GFI,

I guess that is where I was naive about Anastasia before joining RMP just never thought that after communication started (not intital letter from girl) that there was a good possibility that I would be corresponding with a "hairy Boris" I guess I bought into the crap that Anastasia was spewing. I also guess I at least have a good read on what is "real" and what is not because of my two trips to Russia, the 1st was to the girl pictured above who I met threw "CuteOnly.com" and the second was a girl I met threw Anastasia.

previously you wrote about "google-ing" the girl to find if she is a scammer or on another site.
My Question to you is haow often do you actually find this girl doing this?

I have treid on about 50 different girls I am interested and this is the only one I found on a "local agency" most if I find her it was again just her listing on Anastasia or other similar site like this.

Thank you everyone for you advice.



Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
I thought I would post a picture of what I had and lost back in 2006. Do not pay attention to the date on the picture was using a digital camera and every time you change batteries (which happens quite often) you need to reset the date and I forgot half the time.

Picture taken at the Arkhangelsk Airport at 5:30 am on my way back home, this is old news now to me but at the time I did not realize this would be the last time I saw her

What happend with that situation?



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
What happend with that situation?

Long story difficult to tell in just one post but I try to be breif
First could not have been a more wonderful beginning to any relationship. It was one of those were we both just "knew" this was it!
Jump forward 7 days (by the way her son and I hit it off fantasticly-he accompanied us on almost everything we did and was a great help in our communication and being a translator for us at times) the second to last day I was with her we had a heart to heart talk on where this relationship go, she cried briefly when she thought I just wanted to be friends, when we were discussing our second meeting, she thought I only wanted to travel with her and not more, I had brought up seeing St.Pete-Russia, but I think I scored many points with her in how I handled her and comforting her while she was crying. When I left there was no misunderstandings that we were going to marry and I woould look into a Immigration Attorny when I got back home.
Jump forward a couple of months, been writing, talking everything is fantastic I can still hear in my mind even now her voice, and how she said "I miss you" and how she would say "I love you" you could tell she was afraid to let her heart go but how deeply she did feel it. during this time we changed plans to go "Sochi" because this meeting would take place the end of Nov. and she lives on the Bering sea probably only 100 miles south of the Artic Circle so she wanted to go somewhere warm and St Petersburg would be cold at this time. The problems began in trying to plan this, first I start to look for a hotel, and I get a letter back like "no hotel, we stay in home" so I think she means a flat or a house on the sea (like I always have rented when I go to North Carolina) so I write back looking for house on the ocean" and I get "why house? I did not say house, I said Hotel where have food" or something like that, so I think she is refering to one of those "all-inclusive type resorts" and I try to continue forging ahead with plans. During this same time we are continuing to have very meaningful discussions on the phone, and discussions thru phone and e-mail about school for her son, activities/sports would he be able to particapte??? and all through this e-mail Translation problems kept cropping up. and so I would ask the same question again in more then 1 e-mail to make sure I understood her correctly or on the phone. There is much more to this details I really do not want to get into. But what began to happen from her end (and I can see her point) it felt like to her that the closer we moved to becoming a family the more I was quetioning her, and at one point she even stated (unfortunatly) "if you do not trust me, Why do you want to marry me?" from my end this was not the case at all but she viewed it this way. The damage was done and no finger in the dike was going to repair the crack that started.
Lesson learned, do not try to read to much into e-mails as people have written (KISS) "keep it simple stupid", I should never discussed complicated matters of the heart in letters and kept these matters to personal meetings. It was a painful loss to me and I do truly feel it was exactly the same for her.
Hopefully I have learned some things, for when I find the most incredible women my "true beloved" who I cannot live without. I am not a deeply religous man but I do beleive that things happen for a reason and that with faith, God has plan and we will find our happiness.



Posted by: blucatz

Sounds like very bad communication killed another relationship again. Sorry to hear about your loss, sounds like you had something good cooking up there. It has been my experience with FSU women, once they get an idea in their head, they sure do run with it and its hard to convince them otherwise.



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Personally, unless it is a very short letter, I have all my letters translated. I usually run her letters through the translater just to get an idea what she is saying, but miscommunication does happen, and I would prefer to avoid it, especially in the early stages and when discussing important matters.

I also use a phone translator when speaking, though not all the time.


It case it wasn't clear I meant that I have all my letters translated by a human being. IMO, too much at stake until you really get to know each other or one of you is very proficient in the other's language.

I know there are exceptions but I would prefer not to take that chance.

By the way, phone translation is much cheaper than written translation.



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
GFI,

I guess that is where I was naive about Anastasia before joining RMP just never thought that after communication started (not intital letter from girl) that there was a good possibility that I would be corresponding with a "hairy Boris" I guess I bought into the crap that Anastasia was spewing. I also guess I at least have a good read on what is "real" and what is not because of my two trips to Russia, the 1st was to the girl pictured above who I met threw "CuteOnly.com" and the second was a girl I met threw Anastasia.


IMO, the only good thing Anastasia offers online is the ability to connect with a girl you are interested in by phone immediately. Otherwise, look elsewhere.


Quote:
previously you wrote about "google-ing" the girl to find if she is a scammer or on another site.
My Question to you is haow often do you actually find this girl doing this?


I don't actually google a girl to see if she is scamming, only to find out as much about her as I can via the web. Being on more than one site doesn't mean that she is a scammer, in fact I expect as much. It makes perfect sense to give herself as many opportunities to meet the man of her dreams as possible.

I have run into some scammers but none that are listed as scammers on the web. I'm not even sure I like that concept at all, since men and women can be listed as scammers by the other when in fact they are not, but someone had a bad experience and listed them as such.

Use common sense, keep your expectations realistic, understand that dating is potentially a volatile activity even when done domestically, and such volatility (and chance for misunderstanding) is increased exponentially when we date someone who is embedded in another culture, and don't impose your western mindset on how you think things ought to be in the early stages of a relationship.

This is especially true if you haven't had much experience dating or have had a history of bad/broken relationships.



Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
It case it wasn't clear I meant that I have all my letters translated by a human being. IMO, too much at stake until you really get to know each other or one of you is very proficient in the other's language.

I know there are exceptions but I would prefer not to take that chance.

By the way, phone translation is much cheaper than written translation.


Where did you find these phone translantion people? can you provide me with a means of contacting them? same with the written translation, would much prefer a person translating a letter, depending on price maybe not all but when it is important or personal deffinitly.

I agree with your other post too, I would also expect them to be on more than 1 site, especially with the nature of Internet dating buisness, and also agree with your thoughts on scammers. Some people who had good knowledge with AM/RW had said to me about my girl #1 who I had started a K1 on, that it sounded to them that she was a scammer. My reponse was NO F---in Way!!!! I was with her and knew all the in-and-outs of what we both had gone through together, no other person had this knowledge and just because it did not work out in the end, people start yelling Scammer!!! NOT RIGHT!

Thanks again,
any info about translators---written or phone you can provide will be greatly appreciated



Posted by: GentleGiant

Googling a girl's name is not the way to check to see if she is a scammer, well, it can work but often they change names regularly.
What they dont change so often is the letters they use; I look for memorable or quirky word combinations or miss=spellings, and Google those. Picked up a lot of scammers this way; checking the email headers so that you know the Ip address being used does match the area she claims to come from also helps. Hairy Boris and his cousin Hairy Yuri have offices in the US as well; picked up one scammer writing from New Jersey!!!

Reminds me of the joke

Why does California have more lawyers per sq mile than any other place on the planet, and New Jersey have more toxic waste dumps??

New Jersey had first choice!!!



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
Where did you find these phone translantion people? can you provide me with a means of contacting them? same with the written translation, would much prefer a person translating a letter, depending on price maybe not all but when it is important or personal deffinitly.


The wife of the owner of this site, Lena, does translation work. I have been impressed with her thus far and would highly recommend her. There is also Regal Translations (http://www.regaltranslations.com/index.htm) but I think Lena offers a slighty better value. But Lena is on this site and the owner of Regal is on a similar site so you can easily evaluate their English and their prices.

The key is you want someone who is from the FSU but is thoroughly conversant with English language and culture, because translation is so much more than words. And you also want a quick turnaround, which is one thing that is good about Lena and Regal. It is also one reason why I stopped using Elena's Model's translation services even though overall I like their site. Many times the turnaround was to slow, its expensive, and several times I had an interpreter alter what I said!

The ideal scenario is that when translating from English to Russian you want a native Russian speaker who is familiar with English language and culture.

When translating from Russian to English you want a native English Speaker who is thoroughly familiar with the Russian language and culture.

That is the ideal but Lena will do just fine in my opinion working both ways.

As for phone translations Regal will do it for .65 a minute if you initiate the call. Nadya's Russian Interpretation is .50 a minute with a 20 minute minimum and she initiates the call.

http://phone-interpreter.com/

For important stuff I think software translations are like playing with fire. For clearing up misunderstandings I think this is the only way to go. It doesn't have to be used all the time depending on your budget but it is certainly nice to have in your arsenal.

Oh by the way, IMO, introduction letters should definitely be in her langugage, no matter how well she knows English. And she should also feel free to write you in Russian if she so chooses.

Oh and one added benefit. If you communicate with women who don't know any English, there is much less competition...hehehe

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I agree with your other post too, I would also expect them to be on more than 1 site, especially with the nature of Internet dating buisness, and also agree with your thoughts on scammers. Some people who had good knowledge with AM/RW had said to me about my girl #1 who I had started a K1 on, that it sounded to them that she was a scammer. My reponse was NO F---in Way!!!! I was with her and knew all the in-and-outs of what we both had gone through together, no other person had this knowledge and just because it did not work out in the end, people start yelling Scammer!!! NOT RIGHT!


Yes I have lots of misgivings about the whole scammer scene. Some women and men are clearly scammers, but there are lots of women (and men) who do not belong in that category even though they have been labeled as such.

Relationships are risky and there are no guarantees, and just because one doesn't work out doesn't mean the other person is a scammer, even if it was a bad experience and someone didn't get what they wanted.



Posted by: Chillidog

GFI
thanks for all the info and your help and comments.
I have just started to keeping a book of sites and info like you just gave me. Much easier then trying to remember and finding the thread you read it in.
Also today had my first one-on-one tutoring session on the Russian language from a Russian women who is teaching for a year at the local University here. I have used Pimsleur and Rosetta stone in the past so I know a little but would deffinitly still classify my self as a beginner. Having personal instruction I think is going to be a great help.

Again thanks



Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant

Reminds me of the joke

Why does California have more lawyers per sq mile than any other place on the planet, and New Jersey have more toxic waste dumps??

New Jersey had first choice!!!



are you poking fun at us yanks????

Thanks for the humor



Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by Chillidog
GFI
thanks for all the info and your help and comments.
I have just started to keeping a book of sites and info like you just gave me. Much easier then trying to remember and finding the thread you read it in.
Also today had my first one-on-one tutoring session on the Russian language from a Russian women who is teaching for a year at the local University here. I have used Pimsleur and Rosetta stone in the past so I know a little but would deffinitly still classify my self as a beginner. Having personal instruction I think is going to be a great help.

Again thanks


You are welcome.

Yeah you got a point about keeping a notebook. As far as the language I am a member of a Russian Church so I get to hear the language on a regular basis.



Posted by: GentleGiant

A notebook?? Whats the matter with bookmarking it?



Posted by: goforit

Nothing, although I keep a hard copy of anything and everything related to any woman with whom I am corresponding.



Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant
A notebook?? Whats the matter with bookmarking it?


Nothing, I have bookmarked so many websites in the last few weeks, some like dating sites are not worth keeping bookmarked , so my head is swimming so much info I cannot remember which are keeper sites and which are not, so before I add more to this mass confusion I am just pretending I am Santa, making a list and checking it twice. Plus when I run across something in a thread I write it down instead of opening up another tab looking at the site and then returning to finishing reading the thread, just lets me do it at my own leasure



Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
Nothing, I have bookmarked so many websites in the last few weeks, some like dating sites are not worth keeping bookmarked , so my head is swimming so much info I cannot remember which are keeper sites and which are not, so before I add more to this mass confusion I am just pretending I am Santa, making a list and checking it twice. Plus when I run across something in a thread I write it down instead of opening up another tab looking at the site and then returning to finishing reading the thread, just lets me do it at my own leasure


You might want to try one of the social bookmarking sites. They will let you tag and categorize all your bookmarks for easy access and search, plus if your hard drive ever goes bad all your bookmarks will be stored on the web and you won't lose them.



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