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In 2 minds - possibly meeting Natasha in Kiev again
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Posted by: zaniac

The lady I met twice in Kiev a few years ago has been in touch with me again. She sent me a text message a few nights back asking me when I'm coming back to Kiev (like I go there often, lol). She tells me she wants me to come back again, but I have told her I have no plans to visit. However I told her that if she wants to have a proper relationship this time around (not just friends) then maybe I'd consider more the idea of visiting.

With her just texting me, makes me remember Kiev, snow, experiences etc etc. I'm now thinking about going to Kiev just for a brief weekend visit (friday - sunday) and catch up on things. I know what she is like as a person and having learnt from the experiences, think I can probably handle her better now as a person.

The lure of Brazil though is still strong, it's not just a lady who I want to meet that lives there, but I have some friends there also, so I don't want to drop that trip. I think that if I goto Kiev, it may delay a trip to SP. For this reason I am in two minds.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes it's a shame we all aren't independently wealthy and can jet set anywhre in the world at any moment.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.

Posted by: Chrismc

Well good luck Zaniac with whatever route you choose, but to be honest I think your heart is set on Brazil and it is usually not a good choice in life to go/look back, so unless you really think the Kiev lady has something special to offer I would say move on and concentrate on someone else, whether that is Ms Brazil or someone from the FSU that is your decision.

Just my 2 Kopecks.

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Zan: After reading through your prior stories, I would suggest you don't go to Kiev. I don't think the woman in Kiev is serious about you. I think she needs a new phone, jacket, boots, or something else....she will just use you again.

A woman always puts a man into one of three categories - yes, maybe, or NO. From the prior posts it appears she put you in the NO category. And it is virtually impossible to go from the No category to the Yes category.

Go to Brazil and she will teach you how to move your hips -- on the dance floor.

Posted by: shaun1000

Hi Zainiac

You have been to Kiev twice, do you think it will be 3rd time lucky? If not move on find someone who wants you there for you?

Hope you are well.

Shaun

Posted by: zaniac

Well since the first post, we have exchanged numerous text messages. I've told her that if I were to come to Kiev again, then my intentions would be serious. I've did tell her that it's not just friendship I'm after, but a proper relationship. She replied that she's glad that I would consider coming back to see her, but in terms of relationship we would need to spend more time together because it's been a long time since we last saw each other. I could kind of see her point, but then I thought maybe she's just playing tactics.

I think this has all come about because I think her friend, who I met on the last visit to Kiev had mentioned my name in conversation, last night. I say this because she sent a message saying "R****n says hi, how are you?" (etc etc). So he must have been there at the time of her sending half of the messages.

I think the idea of going to Kiev is still going to remain secondary to Brazil. I will pay for Brazil first, sort out dates etc. Even though BA charge about Ł850 for a flight to SP, I will make the trip as I think it will be a new experience in general. I know it dangerous with all the stuff that happens out there, but I've made too many friends out there who want to meet up. Brazilian-Portuguese seems alot easier to learn also

Once I've paid for that trip, if I still have money to goto Kiev(I'll doubt I will have), then I might go and meet her. Having had so many mesages from her today, I think I'll have no intention now in looking for the relationship, but just to go for a mini break. Kiev was a nice place to visit, Natasha seems keen on spending the time together with me and says it will be good time, but I guess one's definition of good time varies from one person to the other. I have made her aware that if I do come, as friends, I'm not buying her anything like I did previous(new boots and mobile). I'll only pay for drinks, food and travel.

Sudden memories of when we sat down in a Japanese restaurant with her suggesting that we (and her sister) should spend the next weekend down in Odessa on the first night of my second trip, makes me laugh again. Especially when she says with a serious face "we can get it cheap for you"

Posted by: zaniac

GTR - Yes, it would be a nice feeling if one was able to do that

chrismc - Yeah you're right. Having had 24 hours to think about it, I think it's clear not to really think that anything is seriously going to happen in terms of relationship. I'll only goto Kiev if I can afford it, but like I say Brazil is not cheap for the flights. I doubt I'll be able to afford both trips, unless one was to be taken November time. Thanks for your kopecks though

BluesTraveler - I think you're right in what you say. I will probably re-read my old threads on Kiev soon, just to remind me completely of what happened. I know that were I to go back, I won't be fooled. After the debates we had on the phone (after the trip) about me buying her that mobile etc and she still only considered us as friends, I know to just stay realistic and not be an open wallet. Were I to go, I'd take a completely casual attitude, I'd only be there for 3-4 days. You are right about Brazil though, my friend likes her dancing (she tells me) lol.

shaun1000 - hi shaun, how are you? I'm good thanks. I know what you're saying and I appreciate your comments about going to Kiev. I know people will say I'm mad if I were to go back etc etc, but this afternoon I have more-or-less made up mind that I would have no intention of looking for the relationship.

Posted by: dagpop

Zaniac, wish you luck with whatever direction you decide to go. What made the lady in Kiev decide to get back in your life? Are you writing to some in Brazil too?

Posted by: BluesTraveler

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaniac

I think this has all come about because I think her friend, who I met on the last visit to Kiev had mentioned my name in conversation, last night. I say this because she sent a message saying "R****n says hi, how are you?" (etc etc). So he must have been there at the time of her sending half of the messages.

Zaniac...I think your right. The conversation may have gone like this....

N: I really need a new Jacket to match my cool boots.
R: Didn't that guy from Ireland buy you those boots?

N: Da
R: You should send him a message, maybe he will buy you a jacket?

N: What a great idea!
...........
Go to Brazil, go dancing, and you will never think about Kiev again.

Posted by: stevo

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Yes it's a shame we all aren't independently wealthy and can jet set anywhre in the world at any moment.

We Europeans can fly all over Europe incredibly cheaply... But I don't think any of the budget airlines do Brazil yet!

Posted by: zaniac

dagpop - I don't know why she has started asking me to go back to Kiev. Maybe her other guys have had similar experiences and gave up on her, but I seriously don't know.

With regards to my female friend in Brazil I'd says it was down to luck how we met. I met her through a male friend from Brazil whom I've known since last spring. I met him on an online Brazilian rave music forum (I don't even like raves lol) which I drifted onto one day. He wanted to chat on MSN and we did just that. During one of our chats he invited my (now) female friend into our chat screen and things happened from then on. Having met my first male friend from Brazil, things have kind of spiralled out of control a little and almost half of my MSN list are now Brazilian. Without trying to push the boat out too far and being realistic, I'm half-thinking of the future incase I do click with my Brazilian friend when we meet in real life.

BluesTraveler - Spot on lol

stevo - TAM (Brazilian) are the cheapest from UK, but I'm told have an awful flight record and all Brazilians recommend that I do not fly with them. BA are the other direct flight operator from UK whom I'm likely to fly with. Otherwise I could go indirect with TAP (Portuguese) or Air France, but I'd rather not do that as I hate indirect flights, especially for a journey as long as this one.

Posted by: Raspberry

And for Americans, we need visas for Brazil. They are really strict when it comes to US passport holders......now get this......even though the visa isn't expired, you must ENTER the country by a certain date, otherwise you will have to go get a brand new visa. This is more restrictive than most countries.

Posted by: Raspberry

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo

We Europeans can fly all over Europe incredibly cheaply... But I don't think any of the budget airlines do Brazil yet!

Part of the deal is there is not as much international service from Brazil. About 10 years ago, there was a Brazilian carrier called VASP, who used to fly to various cities from Sao Paulo---including San Francisco and Athens.
But they went out of business. Other airlines added a few trips, but it really didn't make up for the absence of VASP.

Then there was VARIG, who was Brazil's main carrier. But it had serious financial problems about two years ago, and is now down to a fraction of what they had---both domestic and international.

TAM and GOL have expanded service, but it is not enough to make up for the absence of VARIG international trips. And VARIG was a much bigger carrier than VASP.

So less flights, more demand, meaning higher prices. It's the simple laws of economics, given the Brazilian scenerio....you won't find too many tickets to Brazil at a cheap rate, if at all.