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4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?

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Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by EasyTarget
I have forgotten who said it -- maybe it was you RP...
"Women are capable of some of the craziest things"

I really, really, really think she needs new shoes, hat, purse, etc... and is looking for a gift or two. Or maybe she is really depressed and is looking for someone to cheer her up by telling she is attractive. What ever the circumstances, in all honesty it really isn't worth the effort of talking to her.

Looking forward to the Sumy trip report.



Yes ET, my saying is "WOMEN ARE CAPABLE OF THE CRAZIEST SH-T KNOWN TO MANKIND!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
I have forgotten who said it -- maybe it was you RP...
"Women are capable of some of the craziest things"

I really, really, really think she needs new shoes, hat, purse, etc... and is looking for a gift or two. Or maybe she is really depressed and is looking for someone to cheer her up by telling she is attractive. What ever the circumstances, in all honesty it really isn't worth the effort of talking to her.

Looking forward to the Sumy trip report.

Maybe she needs some Hawaian gifts! Larisa ate almost all your chocolate gifts ET, I think I got 3 pieces. She says thanks and thinks you're a great guy!


Posted by: Moe123

RP

I wish you the best of luck with the Sumy woman. I'm going to Odessa in September. Would you be able to email me pics and contact details of the Odessa woman?

Michael


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by Moe123
RP

I wish you the best of luck with the Sumy woman. I'm going to Odessa in September. Would you be able to email me pics and contact details of the Odessa woman?

Michael


I don't want to sound off here but I really don't want to give her contact details out. It's not the right thing for me to do even if I don't want to be with her!


Posted by: EasyTarget

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Maybe she needs some Hawaiian gifts! Larisa ate almost all your chocolate gifts ET, I think I got 3 pieces. She says thanks and thinks you're a great guy!

Well I always have to be a good-will ambassador for Hawaii. And now you know where you can get some more chocolate, just visit the islands.

yulia asked me what was in the bag before I gave it to you. I still remember how much Yulia's eyes lit up when I said chocolate -- women and chocolate.


Posted by: royalpalace774

I am amazed what happened today! The Odessa girl sends me a sms to call her. So I call her and after about 3 minutes of conversation she says to me she has something to ask me and she doesn't know who else to ask but me.

I say to her what do you want to ask? She says to me that her mom went to the doctor yesterday & the doctor told her she needs to go to some retreat in Odessa where they take care of some type of illness that she has. She then says is it possible for you to lend me some money so I can do this for my mother. She then says you don't have to give answer now but please think about it and le me know if it is possible.

I tell her that I don't think it is possible & she says to me please just think about it and maybe you will do this for me.

Then she says she will pay me back in October if I lend her the money.


WOW! Does this women have nerve? Or is she living on another planet?

I got rid of her after being with her for 3 days on my last trip to see her & now this.

She obviously wants me to give her money so she can take a little vacation now that she is off from work/


Posted by: AkMike

You need to get shut of her entirely! Block her from all access to your phone sms and everything.
Stop wasting time playing.


Posted by: EasyTarget

Wow! She is bold and brazen. I knew she was looking for something, didn't realize it was a week long trip summer spa trip.


Quote:
and she doesn't know who else to ask but me.

Is it because she already asked everyone else and they all said No?


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
yulia asked me what was in the bag before I gave it to you. I still remember how much Yulia's eyes lit up when I said chocolate -- women and chocolate.

OHH! Maybe you could of had a new "friend" if you would have given her some chocolate!

It would be nice to visit Hawaii this January when it is freezing cold here! Probably won't happen but it would be nice!


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I don't want to sound off here but I really don't want to give her contact details out. It's not the right thing for me to do even if I don't want to be with her!


RP,

I agree with your thoughts here. It is not the case that you do not want her to find someone and be happy. I would be reluctant too, to just start giving out her info to any person who asked.

Let destiny decide who she will hook up with


Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
Is it because she already asked everyone else and they all said No?
Well, not quite! Moe123 wants her contact details...


Posted by: shaun1000

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I am amazed what happened today! The Odessa girl sends me a sms to call her. So I call her and after about 3 minutes of conversation she says to me she has something to ask me and she doesn't know who else to ask but me.

I say to her what do you want to ask? She says to me that her mom went to the doctor yesterday & the doctor told her she needs to go to some retreat in Odessa where they take care of some type of illness that she has. She then says is it possible for you to lend me some money so I can do this for my mother. She then says you don't have to give answer now but please think about it and le me know if it is possible.

I tell her that I don't think it is possible & she says to me please just think about it and maybe you will do this for me.

Then she says she will pay me back in October if I lend her the money.


WOW! Does this women have nerve? Or is she living on another planet?

I got rid of her after being with her for 3 days on my last trip to see her & now this.

She obviously wants me to give her money so she can take a little vacation now that she is off from work/



RP
Don`t you think it`s about time you added her name to Jim`s List. She`s not after marriage just gifts and presents a GTG who will end up alone, or in a marriage of conveniance. Perhaps you shoud give her details to Moe LOL

Peace


Posted by: royalpalace774

I'm leaving in 11 days to see Ms Sumy & will be with her 12 days from today.

I am looking forward to this meeting. She is very different with me than the last 3 women I have met there. Always thanking me for the effort I am putting into our meeting and our trip together. Sending me an sms message every 2 or 3 days wishing me a beautiful day.

Two weeks ago I sent her about 40 photos that I printed up of my life here in my hometown. I showed her my friends, a few trips I took with friends, me at my work, a photo of my Ukraine women friend who is going to see her father in August & she will meet her when we are in Sevastopol.

I had some photos where I had facial hair and a few with no facial hair. So I asked Ms Sumy what she liked better. I was assuming that Russian women don't like facial hair because the last 3 women I was with liked me without it but never saw me with it.

So MS Sumy writes me a letter telling me "Yes yes yes, I love your facial hair. I will be pleased if you have it when we meet in Kiev. I showed all of my girlfriends your photos & they said when you wear your facial hair like George Michael you look amazing. You look noble & I love it!

So after reading that I was really surprised. I guess I will keep it on for this trip. I thought she would surely say NO WAY! But I was wrong.


And then to ruin my day today I got an email from Ms Odessa who I dropped and she says thank you so much for being a great friend you were always there for me when I needed your help.

I think she is trying to say. "Would you please send me some money so I can have a nice summer you idiot!"

She has some guts I tell you.


Back to Ms Sumy. I am excited and I feel great about this trip! But I'm not counting on any thing to go perfect, but I sure am hoping it goes great. Hopefully everything will go smooth & we will get on like a house on fire like some of you English guys say it!

I like that. Get on like a house on fire.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

All sounds good RP, the way it should be.

Larisa and I wish you the best of luck.


Posted by: blucatz

I really hope you get that elusive KISS this time....LOL. Chicken pecks don't count either. Good Luck RP, I hope it goes well for you this time.


Posted by: EasyTarget

RP: show up with the beard -- you can always shave it off when you get there.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
RP: show up with the beard -- you can always shave it off when you get there.


IT'S ACTUALLY A GOTEE! No beard for me here. Almost like a fumanchu! The mustache and the 2 lines going down on each side.

If she likes it I'll keep it on & if she changes her mind I'll shave it.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Do any of you guys that have been to Sevastopol know of any excursions that you would recommend that me & Ms. Sumy should go to.

The apt company that I am using emailed me a list of about 20 excursions. But I want to know if any of you guys know of any places in Sevastopol that I should go visit?


Posted by: salvatore

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It was said that we need more trip reports and that everyone likes them. This is one reason why we don't have many trip reports anymore ... people get attacked and are called "fools" and "they have illogical" thinking. Maybe we need a trip report from Clark and let us analyse his decisions?

I've said this before, it's okay to state your opinion but you shouldn't continue to hammer your opinion onto someone else.
__________________


I am planning another trip for this September and haven't posted anything new about my situation and probably won't about my trip because of the atmosphere here these days. Things have gone decidedly negative around here since I first started posting.
I was not flamed in any of my threads earlier but I can foresee that will not be the case if I decide to post my latest stories.
I enjoy seeing advice and people sharing their experiences, but that is not what has been happening.
I almost feel as though most of the posters on here are pretending they are watching a NASCAR race. They just can't wait for the crash and burn that they knew was coming while they sit in their ivory tower.
Sorry for hijacking the thread RP.
Maybe this is a good time to start a new thread addressing this new attitude?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys, The Odessa girl has gotten out of control. I sent her an email telling her I can not give her any money and this is what she wrote back to me. I just forwarded this email to the manager of the agency that I met this girl on. I am amazed that she could write this to me after I went to see her 2 times and was very nice to her & her mom. WOW! you never really know who you are dealing with , do you?



Next time,before visiting a woman firstly look at the mirror and at your age and then look for the same lavel woman!

You are right,I'm too pretty and nice for you!



In reality you are VERY POOR and STUPID(you are laughing like a horse))))) :-P


Posted by: azamuner

Sounds like she is trying to vindicate herself after you turned her down.
Petty on her part but she now thinks she got the last laugh.

Maybe one day she will mature enough to realize that she was out of line.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi Guys, The Odessa girl has gotten out of control. I sent her an email telling her I can not give her any money and this is what she wrote back to me. I just forwarded this email to the manager of the agency that I met this girl on. I am amazed that she could write this to me after I went to see her 2 times and was very nice to her & her mom. WOW! you never really know who you are dealing with , do you?



Next time,before visiting a woman firstly look at the mirror and at your age and then look for the same lavel woman!

You are right,I'm too pretty and nice for you!



In reality you are VERY POOR and STUPID(you are laughing like a horse))))) :-P

Just move on RP and don't even give her a second thought, it doesn't even warrant the energy expended in giving a reply in my book.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Just move on RP and don't even give her a second thought, it doesn't even warrant the energy expended in giving a reply in my book.



You are right Chris. I forwarded that email to the manager of the agency and I won't answer anything else from this girl.

When I think about it, I really think she is the way she is because she had a horrible relationship with her father. She told me when I was with her in Odessa that she pretty much hated him and that he was an idiot & she has no respect for him at all.

I will say that all of the women that I have ever met that had horrible relationships with their dad were very screwed up women.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
You are right Chris. I forwarded that email to the manager of the agency and I won't answer anything else from this girl.

When I think about it, I really think she is the way she is because she had a horrible relationship with her father. She told me when I was with her in Odessa that she pretty much hated him and that he was an idiot & she has no respect for him at all.

I will say that all of the women that I have ever met that had horrible relationships with their dad were very screwed up women.

Maybe that is why she treated you like she did then, she may just hate men in general, and just uses them for what she can get out of them


Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I will say that all of the women that I have ever met that had horrible relationships with their dad were very screwed up women.

Another member on this board told me the exact same thing. I think this might be something to think about & look out for?

She is trying to guilt you; insult you; to make herself feel better -- whatever!!!

I would set up a filter on my email that automatically sends her reply -- "thanks for emailing me, but I am no longer accepting emails from crazy women"; or automatically deletes her emails. Besides your going to Sumy.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Maybe that is why she treated you like she did then, she may just hate men in general, and just uses them for what she can get out of them


I guess I now know why the other guy ran from her & did not want to marry her. It's too bad she is so bitter and angry. She is very nice when she wants to be. But I think she is nice only when she wants something or has an agenda or plan to benefit herself.

I'm not going to bother with her anymore or even answer any emails. I think I will look into blocking her email address from receiving any emails from her. What a manipulator she is when she wants something. You would figure that a smart women would at least tell you what you want to hear if she is trying to get something from you! This one knocks you down and spits on you & expects something from you.

Oh well!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by salvatore
I am planning another trip for this September and haven't posted anything new about my situation and probably won't about my trip because of the atmosphere here these days. Things have gone decidedly negative around here since I first started posting.
I was not flamed in any of my threads earlier but I can foresee that will not be the case if I decide to post my latest stories.
I enjoy seeing advice and people sharing their experiences, but that is not what has been happening.
I almost feel as though most of the posters on here are pretending they are watching a NASCAR race. They just can't wait for the crash and burn that they knew was coming while they sit in their ivory tower.
Sorry for hijacking the thread RP.
Maybe this is a good time to start a new thread addressing this new attitude?


Chrismc and Buckeye have posted trip reports and only positive things are being said.

Take care Sal and feel free to write a PM anytime if you have a question.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
Another member on this board told me the exact same thing.

This might be me ET, I've know some girls that had therpy because of their relationship with their father. It is difficult for then to get close or stay close to men.


Posted by: Leprechaun

Back to topic me dears.

Spaseeba


Posted by: lester

That's enough guys!

I've got two threads to read through now and if I think it necessary to remove the posts that are off topic, then that will be done.

lester.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Well in 10 days I will be with Ms. Sumy and I am looking forward to it. I talked to her today for about 10 minutes and I just love when she answers the phone & she hears my voice and I can feel & hear the happiness in her saying "Hello how are you?"

Then on another note I called the manager of th agency from where I met the Odessa girl and I told her to tell the Odessa girl to leave me alone and I also told her that she asked me for money.

Yesterday I forwarded the nasty emails that the Odessa women sent me. The manager told me she can't believe this girls behavior like a 9 year old child.

I told the manager that the emails I sent you are forwarded not copied so you can see that they originate from the Odessa girl to me. She said she is aware where they came from & she will have a talk with her.

I am wondering if I should just drop it here or send the emails to the head of the agency and tell them this girl asked me for money and I want her removed from their website.

I should leave it alone but at the same time I really don't like that I treated this girl & her mother very special & got them both many things when I was there with them. And the things I brought with me to give them. But most of all I totally was respectful to her & her mom & we had a great time together. What nerve!

Why should I not tell the head of the agency to remove her? What nerve to talk to me like that after 2 trips to see her.

I think I will most probably ask for her to be removed and tell the head of the agency in Canada all the details and send her the emails. This women is obviously out to fu-k with men and manipulate them. And she is getting fat where her buttons pop open on her shirts & she has the nerve to think she is a centerfold.

Anyway, I will soon be with Ms Sumy!


Posted by: blucatz

Let it go RP, even if you do get her removed from the agency, she will just find another one to work her magic on. Isn't there some type of black list for listing scammers and GTG's? Focus on Ms. Sumy, forget Odessa.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
Let it go RP, even if you do get her removed from the agency, she will just find another one to work her magic on. Isn't there some type of black list for listing scammers and GTG's? Focus on Ms. Sumy, forget Odessa.


I am focused totally on Ms Sumy that I assure you!

I do know that the Odessa girl gets alot of action from being on this agency so why not just have her removed. It really will only take 15 minutes of my time to forward her nasty emails and they will see that she asked me for money by what she wrote to me in a few emails.


Posted by: shaun1000

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
Let it go RP, even if you do get her removed from the agency, she will just find another one to work her magic on. Isn't there some type of black list for listing scammers and GTG's? Focus on Ms. Sumy, forget Odessa.



[QUOTE=shaun1000]RP
Don`t you think it`s about time you added her name to Jim`s List. She`s not after marriage just gifts and presents a GTG who will end up alone, or in a marriage of conveniance. Perhaps you shoud give her details to Moe LOL


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I vote for exposing her anyway possible. She is a scammer ... plain and simple. I think other guys should know this.


Posted by: EasyTarget

Only problem is like you said, she gets lots of interest from the agency. So it is in the best interest possible for the agency to keep her around. The more men who give her gifts to make her pop out of her clothes, the more money the agency makes, and the more likely less men will be interested.

RP: It is unlikely they will delete her, just change her profile name. But in the END who gives a rats ass? Karma will get her...and you have moved on to a much, much better place.


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I should leave it alone but at the same time I really don't like that I treated this girl & her mother very special & got them both many things when I was there with them. And the things I brought with me to give them. But most of all I totally was respectful to her & her mom & we had a great time together. What nerve!

Why should I not tell the head of the agency to remove her? What nerve to talk to me like that after 2 trips to see her.

I think I will most probably ask for her to be removed and tell the head of the agency in Canada all the details and send her the emails. This women is obviously out to fu-k with men and manipulate them. And she is getting fat where her buttons pop open on her shirts & she has the nerve to think she is a centerfold.

Anyway, I will soon be with Ms Sumy!


RP,

I think (I could very well be wrong) that we are both divorced. I agree with you to a point with the Odessa woman and that she is, from your posts a GTG, this I will not deny, but

you running off on tangents about her when you should be concentrating your energies on the present not the past, like----what you did for her, how you treated her and her mother, the money you spent, all sounds like 'sour grapes'

we all should understand going into any relationship (I could complain all day about my ex but I won't because she is a good woman, and even if I did where will this get me) that any money any gifts should be given freely and they should be given with no ulterior motives or expectations of reciprocation!

I do not under any circumstances, want you to feel I am bashing you or your intentions, heart or generosity, but it has been written before that it appears everything comes full circle for you back to---- what I spent, what I gave, what I did for her/them. This is to be expected in any relationship! you should do things, buy things, for no reason at all other then the generosity of your heart, and the feelings you have for this person.

I am wishing you all the success with Miss Sumy, but I am concerned that you will fall into this same cycle regarding money. Please look at everything, your time, your attention, your gifts, as items and effort that are to be given freely there should be nothing expected in return.

you should not expect her to like you, give you additional attention for these gestures, or gifts.

show Miss Sumy your heart, your caring for her as a person, (not getting her new jeans because the old ones are worn), it is you the person, your soul and demeanor she will fall in love with.

yes, there should be retribution for Odessa's actions, but please do not waste even a single second of thought on her, it is only for small people who are spiteful and seek revenge.

concentrate on Miss Sumy and making this trip and experience everything you and her hope for


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,

I think (I could very well be wrong) that we are both divorced. I agree with you to a point with the Odessa woman and that she is, from your posts a GTG, this I will not deny, but

you running off on tangents about her when you should be concentrating your energies on the present not the past, like----what you did for her, how you treated her and her mother, the money you spent, all sounds like 'sour grapes'

we all should understand going into any relationship (I could complain all day about my ex but I won't because she is a good woman, and even if I did where will this get me) that any money any gifts should be given freely and they should be given with no ulterior motives or expectations of reciprocation!

I do not under any circumstances, want you to feel I am bashing you or your intentions, heart or generosity, but it has been written before that it appears everything comes full circle for you back to---- what I spent, what I gave, what I did for her/them. This is to be expected in any relationship! you should do things, buy things, for no reason at all other then the generosity of your heart, and the feelings you have for this person.

I am wishing you all the success with Miss Sumy, but I am concerned that you will fall into this same cycle regarding money. Please look at everything, your time, your attention, your gifts, as items and effort that are to be given freely there should be nothing expected in return.

you should not expect her to like you, give you additional attention for these gestures, or gifts.

show Miss Sumy your heart, your caring for her as a person, (not getting her new jeans because the old ones are worn), it is you the person, your soul and demeanor she will fall in love with.

yes, there should be retribution for Odessa's actions, but please do not waste even a single second of thought on her, it is only for small people who are spiteful and seek revenge.

concentrate on Miss Sumy and making this trip and experience everything you and her hope for



Hi Chilli,
I see your opinion but I have to 100% disagree with one very important thing. I gave the women respect and yes I gave her some gifts. I am not making a fuss about anything I spent on her. After visiting this women 2 times she said things to me that were totally un called for and she disrespected me. It is the disrespect I have a problem with, not any money.

It is not only disrespectful but it is very low class for her to have acted as she did because I would not give her any money now. And I'm not going on any tangents as you call them. I am 100% focused on Ms Sumy.

My beef with Ms Odessa is this. I went to see her 2 times. She all ready knew that she did not want any relationship with me but she led me to believe that my 2nd trip we would move forward in our relationship. But all along she really only wanted to go out to restaurants & try & con me into buying her a few things while I was there with her. She was putting on an act and she was as far as I see it pretending that we were going to move forward until I looked her in the eye and asked where we stood.

After she told me I thought you knew we were only friends I told her to go home and I didn't want to see her again. Yet still she kept trying to hold on and said we should at least still hang out together and she then said maybe she made a mistake.

The girl knew all along we were going no where but kept trying to decieve me so I would still at least just hang out with her. And I did hang out with her for another day until she tried again to get me to buy her something in a little shopping center. I refused and I then said to her I told you we are not a couple so I have decided that I dont want to get you anything . She then kept trying to convince me that I was such a great guy and I had had enough of her ********. I looked at her again & said GO HOME!

Then we don't speak at all for a few months. She sees me logged in on Skype & says hello so I say hello back & we have a little chat on there with instant messages.

She then starts emailing me thinking we are now friends. Then she gives me the story about her mom needing medical attention & asks me for money and said she has no other person to turn to.

I refuse & she goes crazy. I want to tell you chilli that I don't give a fu-k about what I spent. I give a fu-k how someone is with me. And I gave her respect & was totally honest with her every step of the way. She was acting the whole time like we were moving forward. And still she would keep making plans for me to come back even a 3rd time in the summer. And I told her NO I am not coming back. Why should I come back to a women who just wants to be friends.

I forgot to mention that last week when she was chatting with me she actually asked me to meet her in Prague in October. I told her that I was not coming to see her anymore. Then she said maybe when you are in Kiev in August we can meet. I again told her NO.

The bottom line is she wanted nothing more than whatever gifts I would bring her and dining out in restaurants. She knew from day one that we were going nowhere.

I don't need to get even. She is a lost soul as it is. She hates her dad and I am sure she is not capable of having a normal relationship with any man. The last guy before me dumped her, she thinks she is a centerfold when she is popping out of her shirts that don't fit her anymore because she has been gaining weight.

I wrote way too much about her here and I only wrote this much for you Chilli. To let you know that in my book she is a lying deceitful person out for nothing more than herself. And also Chilli, I don't hate her or think about it unless you guys bring it up on here. I really hope she finds some kind of happiness with herself. I wish the best for every women I have been with even if it did not work out for us. But I also don't like when someone thinks they got one over on me when I was looking out for their best interests.

As far as time spent on getting even with her I sent her emails to the manager of the agency. What happens next I don't know and I don't care. Will I forward the emails to the main person in charge? Maybe I will. If I do doers that make me a rotten guy? No it doesn't. It makes me someone who is just informing a company that there is a women on their site that asked me for money & went crazy on me when I refused. I just want her to leave me alone. So again Chilli it's not money, it's respect and doing the right thing and acting like a grownup. She acts like a 9 year old.

You have your way of looking at it. I have mine. Are you right and I am wrong? It's all opinions here, that's all it is. If I decide to turn her in to the main office so what? I am not making up any lies about her. Everything that happened is fact.

I would not be surprised if this crazy women calls my cell phone when I am in Ukraine. She has my Ukraine number & she has that mind set to try & cause trouble. If I hear from her again I will surely turn her in.

I think I told you everything there is to say about this. if you still want to chat about it, fine. But I am done. Whatever I do is what I do!

By the way Chilli, you left out RESPECT in your post. And it is the thing that I focused on on my post.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

My thoughts on this is she will do it again to someone else. If she was reported, maybe RP could save one guy a lot of grief and heartache.


Posted by: blucatz

I vote we just say "to hell with ms. Odessa" and just forget about her on this forum once and for all. She's a GTG, no question.


Posted by: EasyTarget

I agree with BluCatz...talking with / thinking about Ms. Odessa is not going to accomplish the goal --> meeting Ms. Right. I am sure RP has learned from the experience (and Ms. Odessa hasn't) and has moved forward.

Still rooting for Ms. Sumy.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
I agree with BluCatz...talking with / thinking about Ms. Odessa is not going to accomplish the goal --> meeting Ms. Right. I am sure RP has learned from the experience (and Ms. Odessa hasn't) and has moved forward.

Still rooting for Ms. Sumy.


You guys are right. SHE'S A WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY!

But the sad part is that she will keep doing it to every guy that comes to see her. I also agree with GTR.

This girl will just lie to all the guys that come to see her so she can get things from them them and make them believe that they are moving towards a relationship.

I even recall the manager of the agency telling me she asked Ms Odessa how it was going with me after our 1st meeting and the manager said Ms Odessa told her that she needs another meeting to make sure that I am right for her.

But the real truth was that Ms Odessa knew that we were going nowhere & just wanted me to come back so she could get a few more gifts or presents & of course the going out to eat in the restaurants every night.

I do believe in the Karma stuff & I am sure that this girl (not women) will be crying alot in her life.

I said it before but I truly believe it all stems to her relationship with her father. She hates him and I use the word hate as a real feeling she has for him.

How can that not transfer to the guys that she meets? SHe is in for some serious downfalls in her life. Whatever!

I leave 1 week from today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to Ms Sumy!!!!!!



She has no intentions of ever leaving Odessa and the only place she really wants to be is Prague.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Best wishes and good luck RP. We wish you happiness and please carry our good thoughts with you.

Be safe and have fun!


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi Chilli,
I see your opinion but I have to 100% disagree with one very important thing. I gave the women respect and yes I gave her some gifts. I am not making a fuss about anything I spent on her. After visiting this women 2 times she said things to me that were totally un called for and she disrespected me. It is the disrespect I have a problem with, not any money.

It is not only disrespectful but it is very low class for her to have acted as she did because I would not give her any money now. And I'm not going on any tangents as you call them. I am 100% focused on Ms Sumy.

she thinks she is a centerfold when she is popping out of her shirts that don't fit her anymore because she has been gaining weight.


By the way Chilli, you left out RESPECT in your post. And it is the thing that I focused on on my post.


RP,

I agree with you about respect, and treating people decently, so I agree 100% with you on Odessa, she is a loser.

If you feel that sending her emails to her agency will help others not to fall into her trap then I agree, do it.

there were so many "red/orange flags" prior to your second trip, that (almost) everyone cautioned you, or advised you to not make this trip.

She then should either be up for an Academy Award, or you allowed yourself to believe the false facade she presented to you.

You felt it was important to you that you do as you had stated to her, to make this second trip, and this is an admirable trait (and I agree with your feelings on this),

In any relationship it takes two to tango, she may have asked for things or going to restaraunts, yet in all things you had the final decision.

as far as her actions after you saw the truth are like you said of a very low class individual, but this (her actions and behavior as you relayed it to us) was pointed out to you by others prior to the second trip, and they are despicable, and I too would get the feeling and sense of being used by her.

In the long run, truly what effect does she carry in your life as it stands now?

it should be none.

Do not let her actions influence or upset you in any way shape or form, and what does it matter what she looks like any more? who cares if she gained weight or lost weight or decides to pose half naked in pictures???

your statements about things like this, leads me to believe you are not over her and are not concentrating on Miss Sumy 100%, and this is the only reason I comment on your posts at this time.

I want you to have success, this can only come from being attentive to Miss Sumy, and forgeting about all of the past and living for the present.

Which from your posts I do not see this attitude, because you are the one who brings up the Odessa sms'd you or skyped you.

We then just comment on what you wrote, if you brought none of this up there would be no further discussion about Odessa.


Posted by: brian92

Hi RP, I have read your posts about Ms.Odessa.. I also think that you should make others aware of her. I think more of this should be done by everyone, like the FSU women on anti-date. I'm sure there are many guys on here talking to many of the same women at any one time.

I once met this girl in Kiev who expressed similar traits as your Ms.Odessa. I kicked her to the curb faster than snot! She was very pretty and it was hard to do (well not really after I had seen her true self). But, after this, she continued to write me in hopes I’d fall her pathetic antics. I'm sure no one has ever done that to her. Much later she informed me that she was speaking to another man and that he was coming to visit (her attempt to make me jealous). I am sure that she did have someone coming to meet her, but I NEVER ONCE responded and this drove her CRAZY!

Well good for me? No, my point is…. My knowledge of this girl is worth at least $2000-$4000 to somebody who has spent/will spend this money traveling, calling, etc. to meet/date her. I would like to know who this guy is, and tell him what I know (just the facts, that's all) so he can make a more informed decision about her.

Guys...wouldn't been nice to speak with the previous owner before you bought that Katrina flooded car from that used dealer? Or, know just were to look with your metal detector at the park?

I know this process would not work, as it would turn in to a slander/libel fest against any woman by whom any guy feels was done wrong.

Earlier on, I was given some very good information that was priceless, but free (you know who you are). Not bad things, just facts! This saved me so much time, effort, and heartache.

Anyway, RP, you responded to Ms Odessa. You gave her the satisfaction of knowing that she got the last word by telling you what you needed to know. However, she gave you all the opportunity to go out on top if you would have ended the first chat with just, "ok, bye bye".

Finally RP, I think you are making a mistake by assuming that the agency you were dealing with gives a sh*t about the way she treated you. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But, it will not help prevent anyone else from making the same mistake with her.

I just think our network could save a lot of guys time, effort, money, and heartache. Jim’s list, Mike’s list, Bob’s list and all these anti-scam sites are all good. But, many women are not scammers, they are just women I would not want my friends to date.

later fellas!!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,

I agree with you about respect, and treating people decently, so I agree 100% with you on Odessa, she is a loser.

If you feel that sending her emails to her agency will help others not to fall into her trap then I agree, do it.

there were so many "red/orange flags" prior to your second trip, that (almost) everyone cautioned you, or advised you to not make this trip.

She then should either be up for an Academy Award, or you allowed yourself to believe the false facade she presented to you.

You felt it was important to you that you do as you had stated to her, to make this second trip, and this is an admirable trait (and I agree with your feelings on this),

In any relationship it takes two to tango, she may have asked for things or going to restaraunts, yet in all things you had the final decision.

as far as her actions after you saw the truth are like you said of a very low class individual, but this (her actions and behavior as you relayed it to us) was pointed out to you by others prior to the second trip, and they are despicable, and I too would get the feeling and sense of being used by her.

In the long run, truly what effect does she carry in your life as it stands now?

it should be none.

Do not let her actions influence or upset you in any way shape or form, and what does it matter what she looks like any more? who cares if she gained weight or lost weight or decides to pose half naked in pictures???

your statements about things like this, leads me to believe you are not over her and are not concentrating on Miss Sumy 100%, and this is the only reason I comment on your posts at this time.

I want you to have success, this can only come from being attentive to Miss Sumy, and forgeting about all of the past and living for the present.

Which from your posts I do not see this attitude, because you are the one who brings up the Odessa sms'd you or skyped you.

We then just comment on what you wrote, if you brought none of this up there would be no further discussion about Odessa.


Yes Chilli that false facad was real pro on her part. I honestly thought we were heading in the right direction with how much fun we were having together. But it was all an act on her part to get what she wanted. I don't regret making trip # 2. I was unsure but not 100% convinced we were going nowhere. Her story about the ex was a good one to keep her distance from me for a while. And it worked.

Chilli , there is nothing to get over. I only liked her, not loved her. I wasn't even falling in love. So there is nothing to get over as you put it.

Chilli, I am 100% focused on MS Sumy wheher you believe so or not. And I didn't have to mention at all that Odessa sent me a sms or email. I told you guys about it because it happened and why should I not mentioned it. And that's all I did, is mention it. Did you ever read that I said I miss her and I wish things worked out. NO YOU DIDN"T! Because the women disgusts me. I wish I would have never heard from her again but I did.

I blocked her on my skype & my email if that means anything to you.

You surprise me Chilli. Get over what. Get over the fact that she is trash & I just couldn't see it because she is a great actress.

Believe me, I am ok & ready for Ms Sumy and now that you know where I stand maybe we should drop talking about Ms low class Odessa.

If you want to keep talkin about it fine, but I said everything there is to say.
Hopefully she won't call my cell when I am in Ukraine next week.

So can we drop Ms Odessa or do you still want to keep going? Don't you think I have said enough!


Posted by: brian92

"So can we drop Ms Odessa or do you still want to keep going? Don't you think I have said enough!"

Sorry RP, you're absolutly right!!!


Posted by: EasyTarget

RP: So i remember there was so discussions about your itenary and I am little curious as to what the final itinerary wound up being. Kiev, then, then, .... How many days, etc?

I know you have the electronic translator to help with communications. Which I am pretty sure that after 3 or 4 days you won't use anymore. Ok, maybe to look up 1 or 2 unusual words.

Did you decide on a welcome gift to bring her? Something from Florida? Mickey Mouse coffee mug?


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by RP
Hopefully she won't call my cell when I am in Ukraine next week.


RP

Whatever you do, make sure you don't have your mobile phone on when you are with Ms Sumy next week, or at worst have it on mute the whole time, last thing you want is the monster from Odessa calling you just at the wrong time when things are going great with Ms Sumy. Be warned!!


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Posted by: Chillidog

RP,

believe it or not, I am on your side, just commenting/giving my opinion on what I have read from you.

I am not making an attack against you or your actions, just trying to give some constructive comments. I get the feeling that you beleive I am attacking you, or you are not open to other's thoughts and it must be your way or the highway, which either way is cool with me.

I just want to see you succeed with Miss Sumy

I agree with Chris, if the option for you is open to leave the cell phone in Florida do it, but if you need this cell for Miss Sumy to also get a hold of you and keep in touch with her, about times and places of meetings, things of this nature, then put the phone on vibrate so you know it is ringing when you are not with Miss Sumy and then can see if it is Miss Sumy calling you, if not just ignore the call.

When Miss Sumy is with you, I would just turn the cell off if this option is available, (meaning you would not be expecting any other important calls)

I look forward to your trip report, (may have one of my own in a couple of months) and wishing you all the best


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
RP: So i remember there was so discussions about your itenary and I am little curious as to what the final itinerary wound up being. Kiev, then, then, .... How many days, etc?

I know you have the electronic translator to help with communications. Which I am pretty sure that after 3 or 4 days you won't use anymore. Ok, maybe to look up 1 or 2 unusual words.

Did you decide on a welcome gift to bring her? Something from Florida? Mickey Mouse coffee mug?


We both arrive in Kiev on Aug 2nd. We stay in a 2 bedroom apt. On Aug 5th at 10 am we fly to Simferopol. Arrive to Simferopol & take a taxi to Sevastopol to our apt. where we stay for 4 days. On the morning of Aug 9th we will take a taxi to Gurzuf. In Gurzuf we will stay in the same hotel room for 6 days.

On Aug 15th we depart Gurzuf to go home. She will go with me to Simferopol airport to say goodbye & then she will go to train station to take train back to Sumy. Her train leaves at 1 pm in the afternoon. My plane leaves at 9pm at night.

So I will hang out in the airport for 7 or 8 hours before I leave. My plane goes to Kiev first. And I arrive in Kiev 10 35 pm .Now I wait until 10 50 am the next day to get a plane to New York. My plane in New York leaves at 7:20 pm & I arrive in Florida at 10:46pm

That layover in Kiev is going to be brutal. I wonder if I should rent a apt again or a hotel to get some sleep?


After writing this post I was curious to see the price of my flight if I were to buy plane tickets now. WOW! it is now on Cheaptickets.com $2700.00 When I bought it a few months ago I payed $1600.00


INCREDIBLE! Thank god I got them then!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,

believe it or not, I am on your side, just commenting/giving my opinion on what I have read from you.

I am not making an attack against you or your actions, just trying to give some constructive comments. I get the feeling that you beleive I am attacking you, or you are not open to other's thoughts and it must be your way or the highway, which either way is cool with me.

I just want to see you succeed with Miss Sumy

I agree with Chris, if the option for you is open to leave the cell phone in Florida do it, but if you need this cell for Miss Sumy to also get a hold of you and keep in touch with her, about times and places of meetings, things of this nature, then put the phone on vibrate so you know it is ringing when you are not with Miss Sumy and then can see if it is Miss Sumy calling you, if not just ignore the call.

When Miss Sumy is with you, I would just turn the cell off if this option is available, (meaning you would not be expecting any other important calls)

I look forward to your trip report, (may have one of my own in a couple of months) and wishing you all the best


Hi Chilli, I don't think you are attacking me. It's just that if I ever mention a past relationship on here everyone immediately thinks I am not over it. I'm open to other peoples thought & opinions, but realize that they are only opinions. If I mention a past encounter with any women on this forum it is only because something happened that I thought you guys would like to hear about. That doesn't mean I am not over the person, it only means I am letting you know what happened. I could easily not say anything, but I thought mentioning that a past women is trying to contact me would be something to tell you guys even if I don't like her.

Yep. the cell phone will be on vibrate that's for sure.

I just realized that my coming home itenarary is terrible. A layover in Kiev for 12.5 hours. Arrive in Kiev from Simferopol at 10:35 pm & my next plane leaves at 10:50 am the next day. I just made a reservation for a cheap hotel in Kiev to get some sleep. Then I will go to the airport refreshed in the morning and get the flight to New York & then to Florida.

I can't believe I just caught that. Layover's suck unless you can go out & sightsee. I did it last year when I had a layover & saw Vienna for a day. That was nice. But the layover started in the morning so I could sightsee.

This layover starts at 10:35 at night after a long day. So better for me to go to bed & rest!


Posted by: EasyTarget

Air fares are getting crazy in price. If I was you with such a long layover in Kiev I would get a cheap hotel room so you can get a few hours sleep. Doesn't AKMike's daughter in law or son in law, live in the Kiev area. Maybe you could have him/her pick you up and drop you off? Cheaper then a taxi?

7 or 8 hours in the Simferopol airport is going to be super boring too. Hopefully you have something to read; or maybe type up your trip report.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
Air fares are getting crazy in price. If I was you with such a long layover in Kiev I would get a cheap hotel room so you can get a few hours sleep. Doesn't AKMike's daughter in law or son in law, live in the Kiev area. Maybe you could have him/her pick you up and drop you off? Cheaper then a taxi?

7 or 8 hours in the Simferopol airport is going to be super boring too. Hopefully you have something to read; or maybe type up your trip report.


I made a reservation today for a hotel for that layover. I will send Ak a message & ask him about his inlaw?


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes I am glad my European flying days are over with for a while. Prices to Moldova are up more than 50% from last year. My flight to Las Vegas earlier this month was a drop in the bucket compared to a European flight today. I'll be vacationing in the good old USA as much as possible ... and so will the foreigners. I saw a lot of them in Vegas.


Posted by: royalpalace774

LEAVING IN 5 DAYS! All is well so far.


Posted by: Texas Proud

Good luck RP.... we are all rooting for you...

I had an overnight layover in London twice when I went to Egypt.... just stayed at the airport... I guess I am a cheap SOB....

But then again, there is a lot more to do at Gatwick than Kiev.....


Posted by: royalpalace774

Well I got another thing here to think about. On my last day with Ms Sumy she will get a train that leaves Simferopol at 1:00 in the afternoon.

I see from some of you guys that Wizz AIRLINES HAS CHEAP FLIGHTS GOING TO KIEV.

I all ready have a booked flight from Simferopol to Kiev on Ukraine International , but it leaves at 9:10 pm and arrives at 10:35 pm

I am wondering if I should pay another $75-$100 to get WIZZ Airlines flight at 12:30 in the afternoon to Kiev?

It's either sit in Simferopol airport from 7 hours waiting to get the plane I all ready payed for

OR

Get WIZZ Air at 12:45 in the afternoon & pay $75-$100 more to go to Kiev & arrive in Kiev at around 2:20 in the afternoon & then go to hotel & put things away and then walk around Kiev and maybe get a bite to eat somewhere.

Any opinions guys? The layover's kill me. And remember when I get to Kiev I have another flight layover that is 12 and a half hours long.

Should I pay for a WIZZ flight that leaves earlier to Kiev or sit in the Simferopol airport for 7 hours.

What do you think?


Posted by: AkMike

LOL, if you're going to sit no matter what do some sight seeing. Explore!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
LOL, if you're going to sit no matter what do some sight seeing. Explore!



You are right! But the choice is I either sit in Simferopol for 9.5 hours with my luggage ( Carry on computer & small suitcase) OR Go early to Kiev on WIZZ air lines & go put my luggage away in the hotel and then go walking around town.

I would arrive in Kiev at 12:20 in the afternoon with plenty of time to go around town and check a few things out. If I wait in Simferopol all day until 9:10 pm I don't haave much to do with my luggage with me.

At least if I take the earlier flight I am not stuck sitting with my luggage all day.


Posted by: AkMike

LOL,

I'd be looking around Kiev. I happen to know a guide there too.. ..


But I'd have the G/F take me to the airport, look arounf Kiev and pay for her trip back.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
LOL,

I'd be looking around Kiev. I happen to know a guide there too.. ..


But I'd have the G/F take me to the airport, look arounf Kiev and pay for her trip back.


THE G/F is taking me to the airport & then getting the train back to Sumy. I asked her if she wanted to go back to Kiev that day we leave & she said that it is much to out of the way for her to get home doing that.

Besides she all ready has her train ticket from Simferopol to Sumy that I payed for weeks ago.


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi Chilli, I don't think you are attacking me. It's just that if I ever mention a past relationship on here everyone immediately thinks I am not over it. I'm open to other peoples thought & opinions, but realize that they are only opinions. If I mention a past encounter with any women on this forum it is only because something happened that I thought you guys would like to hear about. That doesn't mean I am not over the person, it only means I am letting you know what happened. I could easily not say anything, but I thought mentioning that a past women is trying to contact me would be something to tell you guys even if I don't like her.


RP,

then this is my bad, I had interpreted your postings differently, and offer my apologies for thinking you were still fixating on Odessa.

understand with this post where you are coming from now.

The layovers for us traveling from the states is very hard to avoid, when your final destination is not Kiev or Moscow.

I have always had around a 9 hour layover in Moscow in my past trips.

Blucatz is looking at a 9 hour layover in Moscow before his flight to Omsk this September, and I am hoping to book the same Moscow to Omsk flight as he has and will probably run into the same layover, which if this happens then Blucatz and I will be hanging out at the airport together.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,

then this is my bad, I had interpreted your postings differently, and offer my apologies for thinking you were still fixating on Odessa.

understand with this post where you are coming from now.

The layovers for us traveling from the states is very hard to avoid, when your final destination is not Kiev or Moscow.

I have always had around a 9 hour layover in Moscow in my past trips.

Blucatz is looking at a 9 hour layover in Moscow before his flight to Omsk this September, and I am hoping to book the same Moscow to Omsk flight as he has and will probably run into the same layover, which if this happens then Blucatz and I will be hanging out at the airport together.


Hi Chilli,
Everything's good. Except the layovers. I guess there is no way out of it. I think when I get a confirmation from the hotel I ordered for that day I will probably book a WIZZ Airline flight to leave Simferopol at 12:30 in the afternoon instead of sitting in that airport for 9 1/2 hours doing nothing.

From looking on the WIZZ airline site the airline charges you for the weight of your luggage. And if I am correct it is a fee they add on. You can buy the weight you think you will be at for your luggage & save 70% according to the website. IF you are over on your luggage they charge you there full price which is higher than if you bought it in advance.

But it still looks like good prices.


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
Blucatz and I will be hanging out at the airport together.




That ought to be a party worth watching!


Posted by: EasyTarget

RP: For $100 I would go to Kiev earlier then later. Because then you will be in Kiev for a longer time and can enjoy some of the sights. And I think it would make the traveling back easier on you. There will be NOTHING to do at the Simferopol airport except read a book.

Best of luck on what ever you decide.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
LEAVING IN 5 DAYS! All is well so far.


Good luck with it RP.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
we are all rooting for you...


TP, that has quite a different meaning in Australian....




Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
If I wait in Simferopol all day until 9:10 pm I don't haave much to do with my luggage with me.
I would use the left luggage facility at the airport, assuming it has one - the map on their web site doesn't show it.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
Good luck with it RP.



Thanks Deccie!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
RP: For $100 I would go to Kiev earlier then later. Because then you will be in Kiev for a longer time and can enjoy some of the sights. And I think it would make the traveling back easier on you. There will be NOTHING to do at the Simferopol airport except read a book.

Best of luck on what ever you decide.


I just bought the WIZZ AIRLINE ticket to get to Kiev at 2:20 in the afternoon.
I'll check into the hotel , put my things away & take a walk around & get a bite to eat & see some sights.

Yes, much better than sitting for 9 1/2 hours in Simferopol waiting.


Posted by: royalpalace774

I leave in 4 days & I am trying to figure out what to get Ms. Sumy for a little gift.

Any ideas guys? I know she goes to the gym to work out & I thought maybe one of those little ipods and then I can fill it with music for her. She could listen to American music while she worked out. Some disco, rock, ballads, she loves Madonna's songs.

What do you think? Any other ideas guys. Keep em coming. I need to get something by Thursday, I leave on Friday.


Posted by: shaun1000

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I leave in 4 days & I am trying to figure out what to get Ms. Sumy for a little gift.

Any ideas guys? I know she goes to the gym to work out & I thought maybe one of those little ipods and then I can fill it with music for her. She could listen to American music while she worked out. Some disco, rock, ballads, she loves Madonna's songs.

What do you think? Any other ideas guys. Keep em coming. I need to get something by Thursday, I leave on Friday.



An Ipod is bit excessive for a first gift why not save that for her birthday. Can`t go wrong with Chanel no 5.

Just my 2 Kopecks worth.


Posted by: AkMike

IMO Shaun is right. You're not tryin to buy her. Get her something from Candy is dandy but Tequila always goes over well.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Maybe you can buy her a membership to the gym she goes to or a picture book of Florida/USA.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaun1000
An Ipod is bit excessive for a first gift why not save that for her birthday. Can`t go wrong with Chanel no 5.

Just my 2 Kopecks worth.


There is a little ipod that holds 250 songs for $49.00

Haven't you seen them. They are very small but cool. They come in different colors.

But the perfume is also a good one. But I know from experience that if a women does not use a perfume she might not use it even if I get it for her.

GTR's picture book is good also!

But the $49.00 ipod I think is very cool & I really think she will use it every day. I was even going to record myself talking to her and put it in there as a surprise. I can record myself & make it an mp3 & she can hear me speak to her & hear my voice when I am not with her. Kind of romantic, I think?

I think that is pretty cool. I also think that is somewhat of a unique thing for her to have that is just a little extra.

What do you think?

Come on guys, give me some more ideas to pick from!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I like the iPod idea with your voice. Maybe I should buy one and use it when I cut the grass!




Posted by: blucatz

I wouldn't put my voice on there, but I would load it up with all of Madonna's hits and other music as well. If its for the gym, keep the music fast paced.


Posted by: EasyTarget

GTR: Why would you want to hear RP's voice while mowing your lawn?

RP: I would really suggest bringing a picture book or even a calendar from the FL area. The iPod shuffles are nice as long as she has a computer at home and knows how to create .mp3's. The only other issue with the iPod is you have to make sure you get the right power adapter.

I agree about the perfume, if it isn't the right one, she will never wear it.

Any other activities that you know she is interested in?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
GTR: Why would you want to hear RP's voice while mowing your lawn?

RP: I would really suggest bringing a picture book or even a calendar from the FL area. The iPod shuffles are nice as long as she has a computer at home and knows how to create .mp3's. The only other issue with the iPod is you have to make sure you get the right power adapter.

I agree about the perfume, if it isn't the right one, she will never wear it.

Any other activities that you know she is interested in?


Good idea ET. I will bring a picture book also. I was thinking that I would just load up her little ipod with music. All of the apple stuff runs on both 120 & 250. My Macbook does that also. I don't use a converter for it I use an adapter to just get it into the wall there.

She doesn't have a computer or an email address as far as I know. I will get her the little mini ipod & when we are relaxing one day at the apartment I will tell her to pick the music out of my laptop that she likes & put it into her ipod. I have all the Madonna stuff & loads of great songs.

I know she likes disco also. That European stuff that they are dancing to in the clubs there. I know I have enough in my laptop that she will like.

I like the idea of putting a little 1 or 2 minute thing on there with my voice talking to her. I would start it off with Hello I am sure you did not expect to hear me on here but I wanted to just tell you that I hope you enjoy this ipod when you are at the gym and I thought it would be nice for you to hear my voice anytime you wanted even if I was not with you here.

I like that. You got to get creative with this stuff & I think it is cool & unique. It is something she would never expect. Imagine she is at the gym walking the treadmill listening to borderline by Madonna and after that song ends I come on and say Priviet, I thought I would stop in & talk to you for a few minutes!

I like it.


Posted by: JohnnyLaRue

Will she be able to charge her Ipod nano? I mean you would have to buy her a charging station since she does not have a CPU.

I would go into a store like The Sharper Image since they have numerous practical (and some not so practical) gifts there.

Other than that here is my list and I am going with the let's send it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it theory.

- DVD of her favorite USA show ($20)
- Music DVD of Madonna in concert ($20)
- region free DVD player (about $45)
- Euro 2008 Russia shirt or jersey ($50)
- A talking pedometer ($25)
- Hand held massager ($35-$50)
- A cheap GPS device ($100)
- Digital photo keychain ($30)
- hand held video game device like a puzzle game maybe?
- Something like an Aerogarden so she can garden without dirt ($100)
- Small espresso machine
- Those swedish foam pillows

I've got some more ideas if ya want.


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyLaRue
Will she be able to charge her Ipod nano? I mean you would have to buy her a charging station since she does not have a CPU.

I would go into a store like The Sharper Image since they have numerous practical (and some not so practical) gifts there.

Other than that here is my list and I am going with the let's send it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it theory.

- DVD of her favorite USA show ($20)
- Music DVD of Madonna in concert ($20)
- region free DVD player (about $45)
- Euro 2008 Russia shirt or jersey ($50)
- A talking pedometer ($25)
- Hand held massager ($35-$50)
- A cheap GPS device ($100)
- Digital photo keychain ($30)
- hand held video game device like a puzzle game maybe?
- Something like an Aerogarden so she can garden without dirt ($100)
- Small espresso machine
- Those swedish foam pillows

I've got some more ideas if ya want.


Here's my vote:
- DVD of her favorite USA show ($20)
- Music DVD of Madonna in concert ($20)
- Digital photo keychain ($30)
- Euro 2008 Russia shirt or jersey ($50)

Depending on his luggage needs, these would fit nicely into a carry on without taking up too much room.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
Here's my vote:
- DVD of her favorite USA show ($20)
- Music DVD of Madonna in concert ($20)
.


Be wary of the DVD gifts. My lady did not have a region 0 DVD player since she didn't need it because most of the local DVD's she bought were unencrypted or the local region code. That meant I had to apply the region 0 hack to her player before she could actually watch any of the DVD's I brought for her.

Also be aware of the NTSC / PAL differences although most players will cope with both these days.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyLaRue
- region free DVD player (about $45)
.


But if this was bought in the US a power plug adapter and voltage converter would also be required???

It doesn't make sense to go to that much hassle. Better buy a DVD player locally and then apply the region 0 hack.


Posted by: deccie

I would suggest buying a digital picture frame locally and load it up with photos you take together there on your trip so you can leave memories around her when you go.


Posted by: shaun1000

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Good idea ET. I will bring a picture book also. I was thinking that I would just load up her little ipod with music. All of the apple stuff runs on both 120 & 250. My Macbook does that also. I don't use a converter for it I use an adapter to just get it into the wall there.

She doesn't have a computer or an email address as far as I know. I will get her the little mini ipod & when we are relaxing one day at the apartment I will tell her to pick the music out of my laptop that she likes & put it into her ipod. I have all the Madonna stuff & loads of great songs.

I know she likes disco also. That European stuff that they are dancing to in the clubs there. I know I have enough in my laptop that she will like.

I like the idea of putting a little 1 or 2 minute thing on there with my voice talking to her. I would start it off with Hello I am sure you did not expect to hear me on here but I wanted to just tell you that I hope you enjoy this ipod when you are at the gym and I thought it would be nice for you to hear my voice anytime you wanted even if I was not with you here.

I like that. You got to get creative with this stuff & I think it is cool & unique. It is something she would never expect. Imagine she is at the gym walking the treadmill listening to borderline by Madonna and after that song ends I come on and say Priviet, I thought I would stop in & talk to you for a few minutes!

I like it.


Unless your voice makes her jump and she falls of the treadmill and sprains her ankle.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaun1000
Unless your voice makes her jump and she falls of the treadmill and sprains her ankle.


So what you are really trying to say is that after hearing my voice speak to her on the ipod she would "FALL FOR ME"


Posted by: royalpalace774

I just realized that she has no computer & I think you have to charge the ipod with USB. IS there some way to get an external usb connection that plugs into the wall to get power?

I just bought it this morning but now I think I might have to bring it back if she can't recharge it when it goes down.


Posted by: sidney

Quote:
So what you are really trying to say is that after hearing my voice speak to her on the ipod she would "FALL FOR ME"


I'm hopeful that happens sooner with you.
Sid


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidney
I'm hopeful that happens sooner with you.
Sid



ME TO!


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I just realized that she has no computer & I think you have to charge the ipod with USB. IS there some way to get an external usb connection that plugs into the wall to get power?

I just bought it this morning but now I think I might have to bring it back if she can't recharge it when it goes down.


You can get a power pack to recharge the ipod. I had one about 2 years ago. The USB cable from the ipod just slotted into it.


Posted by: JohnnyLaRue

But if this was bought in the US a power plug adapter and voltage converter would also be required?

Nope, some come with an adapter. Besides he'd need the adapter (or something else) for the charging unit for the ipod like I stated before.


Posted by: royalpalace774

I just ordered a power adapter from amazon.com that plugs in the wall and has a USB on it. It says it powers ipod shuffle. Should get here on Thursday.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Leaving in 2 days, get to Kiev Saturday 9:05 am!


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I just ordered a power adapter from amazon.com that plugs in the wall and has a USB on it. It says it powers ipod shuffle. Should get here on Thursday.

But, will it plug into the wall and handle the voltage over in Ukraine?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
But, will it plug into the wall and handle the voltage over in Ukraine?



Yes, because I will give her a voltage converter that I have.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Leaving in 2 days, get to Kiev Saturday 9:05 am!

Good luck RP. Larisa and I will be thinking about you.

Be safe and have fun!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Good luck RP. Larisa and I will be thinking about you.

Be safe and have fun!


Thanks GTR. Ms Sumy is actually going to arrive the day after me at 2 pm at the railway station. I am going to pick her up with my apartment driver. That day is also my birthday. Yes, I meet Ms Sumy for the 1st time on my birthday.

I spoke to Pinboy today. When I arrive he will come meet me at my apartment and I'll put my things away and me & Pin will get some lunch together. HE also said he'll show me around a little.

That's great! Leaving in 2 days!


Posted by: subcom117

I just returned from my first meeting with my woman in Ukraine. I had a great time and really enjoyed Ukraine. The Dnepr is huge! I was very impressed with Zaporozhya as compared to the other cities I have visited.

Hope you enjoy your time and that things go well with your Ms. Sumy!!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi guys,
I'm leaving tomorrow. My 1st plane here is at 12:00 noon to New York and then in New York I have a 1 hour wait until I get on the plane to Kiev.

I'm meeting Pinboy the day I get there which is Saturday. We will hang out a little & get some lunch.

I spoke to Ms Sumy yesterday & I can hear in her voice she is excited for our meeting. She sent me an email telling me that all of my phone calls to her in the last 3 months have made her feel very relaxed about our meeting.
She said I have become a part of her life because of how much we talk to each other & she has gotten used to always hearing from me.

She even said that she feels that we are close now even without meeting yet because of how many letters also we have written to each other. I have actually been in contact with her for more than 1 year. I started writing to her the same time I was writing to the Odessa women who I had a K1 with.

I have to say that this women is always thanking me for planning this meeting & taking her to Gurzuf. I have probably talked with her on the phone 3-4 times a week in the last 3 to 4 months.

Incredible how much we can communicate now compared to the very 1st times on the phone. Well her I go again.

Very exciting also because I have never been to Kiev, Sevestopol, Simferopol, or Gurzuf.


Posted by: Sparky114

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi guys,
I'm leaving tomorrow. My 1st plane here is at 12:00 noon to New York and then in New York I have a 1 hour wait until I get on the plane to Kiev.

I'm meeting Pinboy the day I get there which is Saturday. We will hang out a little & get some lunch.

I spoke to Ms Sumy yesterday & I can hear in her voice she is excited for our meeting. She sent me an email telling me that all of my phone calls to her in the last 3 months have made her feel very relaxed about our meeting.
She said I have become a part of her life because of how much we talk to each other & she has gotten used to always hearing from me.

She even said that she feels that we are close now even without meeting yet because of how many letters also we have written to each other. I have actually been in contact with her for more than 1 year. I started writing to her the same time I was writing to the Odessa women who I had a K1 with.

I have to say that this women is always thanking me for planning this meeting & taking her to Gurzuf. I have probably talked with her on the phone 3-4 times a week in the last 3 to 4 months.

Incredible how much we can communicate now compared to the very 1st times on the phone. Well her I go again.

Very exciting also because I have never been to Kiev, Sevestopol, Simferopol, or Gurzuf.



Hi RP

From what you said above it all sounds so very promising, I wish you good luck and a safe flight.

Are you going to be able to log in while your away? if not then we will all be waiting for the tales of your adventure when you get back.

Once again good luck and keep safe.

Mark


Posted by: azamuner

Have a good trip RP...you lucky bugger. If you can, please give us a trip report and some photos.


Posted by: royalpalace774

I went today & got Ms Sumy the USB charger for the ipod shuffle that I got her. It has both 120 & 250 voltages for U.S. & Europe. So now she can charge it without a computer. When I am with her & we are just relaxing at the apartment I will let her choose what music from my computer to put into her ipod.

I got all the Madonna & George Michael she will want. And plenty other good songs.

I leave tomorrow after I wake up. Plane leaves at 12 in the afternoon to my 1st stop. New York! 2nd stop kiev!


Posted by: Chillidog

RP,

have a great trip! and hope the actuall meeting turns out as good as all of the communication leading up to this event.

wishing you all of the best!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,

have a great trip! and hope the actuall meeting turns out as good as all of the communication leading up to this event.

wishing you all of the best!



Thanks Chilli,
My plane leaves in 15 hours. And I hope also our meeting is like our communication. I think we will have a great time together and I do know that she is feeling very relaxed about our meeting because of how much we have talked on the phone & all the letters we have written to each other.

It is over 1 year that this has been in the making. I would have went to see her sooner but she could never get off work being that she is a school teacher.

The time has come. I love when I talk to her & we laugh alot. I pronounced Sevastopol totally wrong yesterday when we talked and she started cracking up laughing. She then told me the right way to say it. Then she said you speak like American trying to talk Russian but it is good that you say it.

Well I'm all packed & ready to go. I will have my laptop & a carry on.

I just checked the temperature in Kiev & it is 55 degrees right now. It is also 4 in the morning there. Pretty cool weather for summer I must say.

I was thinking it was going to be hot. Last summer when I was in Odessa it was deathly hot.

I better take a long sleeve shirt or 2.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys, I am at the airport ready to go. It's 10:00 AM here & my plane takes off at 12:00. This is it, the day has come. I am on my way to meet Ms. Sumy.

I printed my boarding pass on line & went through the security point in lsess than 10 minuts. There was no line at all when I went through. Very surprised about that, but better for me I guess.

I can't believe the day is finally here after talking & communication with her for over 1 year. Well I only have positive thoughts about this meeting and of course because I have done this a few times I am also prepared for anything that could pop up unexpectedly. But I still feel real good about this. Her attitude & letters & our conversations on the phone have been just great.

I remember at one time when I was going to do this that I thought that I shpould only communicate with someone who spoke really good English. But I have changed my mind about that theory now because sicne I have been talking with her on the phone we have always had a laugh together every time.

Not one single red flag has even cropped up with this women. Always thanking me in every single letter to me about my coming there for our meeting. Always in her voice when she answers the phone and she hears my voice & can fel & hear the smile come on her face and I truly feel it coming over the phone line.

Her English has gotten so good. Not as good as a native but considering she could not say anything to me when we 1st started talking, now it is just great.

It's funny also , she told me when I come to pick her up on Sunday at the railway station she will meet me in front of the entrance to McDonalds that is directly across the street.

I guess McDonalds is good for something. That stuff will kill you but it is surely a great place to meet your potential future partner.

Being that I get there a day before her I will get her some flowers to give her when we meet for the 1st time. At least it gives me time to get some. And Pinboy can show me exactly where to buy them.

I am meeting Pinboy for lunch that same day I arrive. That's a comfort to know a friend will meet me there . I have never been there so I like that idea. Thanks Pin if you are reading this.

Anyway, I'm on the way and the trip has started. Free internet here so that is nice while I wait to board plane #1 to New York.

Talk to you soon guys. I'm thinking positive here and everything is OK.

HOROSHO, HOROSHO.


Posted by: Buckeye5702

All the BEST RP! Have a great meeting!

Udachi!!

Tim


Posted by: shaun1000

Goodluck RP say hi to Pinboy and Kiev for me.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys, In 90 minutes from now I will pick up Ms Sumy. My apt driver is taking me to get her. First I'm going to stop & get her some flowers before we pick her up.

I spent yesterday with Pinboy going around town. We had a blast. Went to a few places to eat. We also went to a club at night & heard a great band playing live.


All is well here.

Yes , after 14 months of communication I will be face to face with her in 90 minutes.

Talk to you guys soon!


Posted by: azamuner

Sounds exciting. Hope all goes well and she is just as nice in-person.

I wish you all the best!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Well you've been with her for about 3 hours now. I hope all is going well, you sound very "UP" and ready to try again. I congratulate you on the will to carry on. Many men have been left by the wayside during this process.

Good luck and we wish you the best!


Posted by: royalpalace774

I just got back from the days activities. I am pretty tired so I won't go into anything now except that she is wonderful & the total opposite of every single women I have met here even my ex who I had a K1 Visa with.

She got off the bus & walked right over to me & put her arms around me & kissed me hello.

When she took off her sunglasses I also noticed that she looked 5 times prettier in person than her photos. She is 36 & looks 23. And I mean 23.



Besides from her being absolutely beautiful , she is a total sweetheart, as kind as can be and always saying thank you. I can't tell you how much we laughed today trying to talk to each other. There were no weird spots at all the whole day together.

But I can say she doesn't look like our communication at all bothering her.

. She did take a 5 hour bus ride to Kiev & the tiredness was hitting her at dinner. And dinner was at about 9:00PM. I picked her up at 2pm & we were eating lunch by 3:30. She was beat from the ride to kiev & all the walking we did today.

When I gave her hr ipod shuffle she hugged me and wouldn't let go.
She actually did not even know what it was even after she looked at it. I had to tell her what it was . And then about 30 thank you's from her.

And of course you guys want to know if she is into me & is there chemistry?

If I go on my gut instinct I would say that she is into me and for the 1st day together she said to me she was incredibly comfortable with me and she said she is very happy today. She felt bad that she was exhausted & was apologizing and she is also at that girly time of the month which I'm sure isn't comfortable. So I would say that today was GREAT.

There is tons more to say but I need to get some rest.

I think everything is great so far. I love being with her more than any trip I have made so far. I hope as the days go by things move in the right direction, but today is only day #1. And day #1 I know was fantastic. What happens after today we will see, but I like it so far.

The comfort level is all ready wonderful. Her English is VERY VERY POOR, but everything else makes up for it and I know she is a sweetheart. She is not at all uneasy when I don't fully understand her. I just take out my translation gizmo & she types in Russian what she wants to tell me and then I see it in English.

I'm goin to sleep now. Baca

I'll fill you in more in a few days. I just wanted to let you know that Everything is just as I hoped it would be for day #1!

I'm also aware that at the end of the trip it could go the other way, And maybe she won't be into it , but I sure hope it doesn't.

Taking it a day at a time & not rushing anything! Let the pieces fall where they fall! So far so good.


Posted by: blucatz

Well at least you got the dang kiss over with.... Three trips and you finally get your kiss, way to go RP, WOHOOO!!!!! I really hope it works out for you this time.


Posted by: sidney

So glad things are looking up for you. Yes the kiss without the BS from the last trips.
Sid


Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I just got back from the days activities. I am pretty tired so I won't go into anything now except that she is wonderful & the total opposite of every single women I have met here even my ex who I had a K1 Visa with.

This is such a GREAT sign!!!! Glad she is the opposite. Here is hoping that you are way, way, way too busy to post until you get back to FL.

Glad the electronic translator is helping you get by with the few words. I am sure in a few days you won't need it anymore. I think both of you know to be patient with each other; and you won't have any problems understanding each other.

I've got a feeling that she is the real deal and things will go well for the both of you.

Have a great trip.


Posted by: Pin Boy

that is great to hear RP! RP and i met on sat and i can say he's as good a guy in person as he is on the forum! i wish i got to meet ms sumy, but i was busy myself. wink, wink.

and we did see an incredible band on saturday! this is a really good city and RP was quite impressed, as he should be.

speaking of girls...i have met a sweet, sweet one and am keeping my fingers crossed. some good prayers would be appreciated by anyone who asks for things from god for others.

living the good life in kiev!

pb


Posted by: Chrismc

Good to hear all going well RP and sounds a lot more positive than previous trips, even though still very early.


Posted by: sidney

pINBOY, We're hopeing and praying for the best for you. I'm glad things are looking up for some of you that have taken the relocation route. If I had to do it all over again this would be my first choice.
Sid


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Maybe we will get double-ly good news for this trip report!!!

Good luck guys and keep us posted.


Posted by: Pin Boy

keeping my fingers crossed. it's a little complicated situation but no matter what happens i have had some of the best days of my life in many years.

i haven't relocated completely, just for the summer. i go back to the US in 9 days and wish i could stay longer. been here for 8 weeks now. have to go back to my teaching job and this has been a great working vacation. i would love to stay longer but i'm very happy i can stay as long as i have and am able.

thanks for all the good wishes!

pb

ps sorry for the brief hijack RP


Posted by: Buckeye5704

I am thrilled to hear your news RP and PB! My prayers are with you both.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hey RP, how are things going in the Ukraine? We haven't heard from you in over a week! I hope you are having a lot of fun and things are going well with Ms Sumi.

Take care and have a save flight home.


Posted by: blucatz