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4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?

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Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by goforit
Ahhh yes, this is a very different dynamic and mindset. "This girl might be playing me but I'm going to see it through and at any rate I got another girl who I have bought flowers for and have been communicating with, I'm going to see her no matter what."

I mean if you think you might be walking into a bad situation, and you still want to do it, there could be worse ways to handle it.

This changes everything. Now you are protecting your own heart. Watch, I bet the first girl will be all over you. She will sense the difference, believe me. You are going to have to keep your ears and eyes wide open.

RP, why don't you use a phone translator a few times with your Sumy girl?

Wishing you the best.



I just got back from dinner and I had a thought come to mind. If by chance I still don't ever talk to this girl on Skype before my next trip this is what I am going to do.

And I really don't care what the reaction will be.

Let's just say I am out with her and we just so happen to be somewhere where she is kind of hinting for me to get her something. You know how girls kind of do that sucker up to you thing when they want something. She is good at that by the way.

I will tell her in the nicest voice you can imagine: After I talk to you & see you on Skype I might consider it.

And of course we will be at the point of where the women thinks she is right & throws an attitude and I will tell her to please try and remember why I said that to her. If she leaves and says goodbye than OH WELL!

For some crazy reason I think I might be going back to let her know that there is a line that won't be crossed. It still amazes me that she doesn't mention having internet & Skype to me at all.

I really seem to think she has no internet at all. I know she has skype installed in her computer because I have her name saved in my Skype directory.


yes goforit, my mindset is going to be quite different on trip 2. I am really at the point of going either way with this. I guess because maybe I have another meeting in the summer with the Sumy girl.



And maybe she will be all over me. We will see. But I need things to go the way I want them to go. Forward one way or another! Anything can happen good or bad. But what ever happens I will be OK. That I know!


Posted by: Chillidog

Rp,

I like the way you ended your last post. as you said you like the girl, you like how you felt when you were with her on trip 1, there are somethings that bother you but not enough to cause you to cancel the trip, plus you are still looking for answers and the only real way to get them is in person. So no matter the end result good or bad, at least in your mind you will have no regrets, and I hope as you communicate prior to the trip with the odessa woman some of these questions get cleared up for you. Only time will tell, keep an open mind


Posted by: AkMike

If you drag your self up sometime we can point you in the right direction. It's funny bu I haven't bothered to do any of this "Tourist Stuff" in the last 40 years but now I'm exploreing it with my best friend. Pretty neat!


Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
GoForIt,

I never said anything about acting as a moderator or gave a warning. I acted as a member and expressed my opinion based on past experience. Am I not allowed an opinion?

My time here will be significantly reduced in about a month. Maybe you would like to take my position as a moderator and run thngs as you see fit? Just let me know and I will pose this question to the administrators and other moderators.

Let's agree to disagree to leave it at that.


You should work on your reading comprehension. I can certainly agree to disagree. Even when your wrong. GTR, when you make statements as ludicrous as the one in question and you have moderator on your name tag, your opinion suddenly becomes forum rules. When your a moderator and you are in the forum aren't you always acting as moderator? Don't shoot the messenger, I just call them like I see them.

By the nature of RP's responses he WAS asking for more opinions. I didn't see where he asked for only opinions that agreed with his. But of course, thats just my opinion


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by clark
You should work on your reading comprehension. I can certainly agree to disagree. Even when your wrong. GTR, when you make statements as ludicrous as the one in question and you have moderator on your name tag, your opinion suddenly becomes forum rules. When your a moderator and you are in the forum aren't you always acting as moderator? Don't shoot the messenger, I just call them like I see them.

By the nature of RP's responses he WAS asking for more opinions. I didn't see where he asked for only opinions that agreed with his. But of course, thats just my opinion

99+% of the time I act as a member not a moderator. I guess you don't believe a moderator should have opinions, wish people good luck, or help when they send an e-mail or call you. In your opinion a moderator should only dictate and site law and that is ludicrous, not realistick, and very "ANAL".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have an opinion and I will express it. If the members don't like it then report me to the moderators and adminstators. Or maybe they would like to be a moderator, this can be arranged but not a garauntee.

Clark, if you are going to anywhere in this world, you need to learn to respect the opinions of other people. You have a lot of growing up to do.

In the future, don't view my posts as being a moderator ... only as a member. We are all equal here and have an equal voice, at least this is my opinion but maybe not the opinion of Clark.


Posted by: Moe123

I was reading back the time you were going to Ukraine Odessa with a lady who got you laughing and excited about seeing her and going to Kiev with her. The English teacher.
I am new at this and not sure where to jump in, so if you don't mind I'll jump in here, to become an active member. Passive I guess just reads.
Can you in a nutshell say how it's going right now with her?
Also from other things I have read about you. It seems you have lost your faith. I knew a man once who witnessed his woman in bed with another man. Do you know what sort of life he had after that? He was like a s-x machine every day or 2 with a different woman. And he thought kids were boring.


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by Moe123
I was reading back the time you were going to Ukraine Odessa with a lady who got you laughing and excited about seeing her and going to Kiev with her. The English teacher.
I am new at this and not sure where to jump in, so if you don't mind I'll jump in here, to become an active member. Passive I guess just reads.
Can you in a nutshell say how it's going right now with her?
Also from other things I have read about you. It seems you have lost your faith. I knew a man once who witnessed his woman in bed with another man. Do you know what sort of life he had after that? He was like a s-x machine every day or 2 with a different woman. And he thought kids were boring.


In a nutshell it is going OK. We still talk every day or 2 and we still laugh with each other. I haven't lost faith at all. I am just keeping an eye open to see what will happen when I am with her on my 2nd trip. If I lost faith I would not go at all. I have some concerns about things she has done but they will come out in the wash one way or another.

I also don't understand what your statement about the man seeing his wife in bed with another man has to do with anything here. Are you trying to tell me something because I don't know what that should mean to me?


Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
In a nutshell it is going OK. We still talk every day or 2 and we still laugh with each other. I haven't lost faith at all. I am just keeping an eye open to see what will happen when I am with her on my 2nd trip. If I lost faith I would not go at all. I have some concerns about things she has done but they will come out in the wash one way or another.

I also don't understand what your statement about the man seeing his wife in bed with another man has to do with anything here. Are you trying to tell me something because I don't know what that should mean to me?

RP, your not the only one, I'm a little lost on that one as well.


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I also don't understand what your statement about the man seeing his wife in bed with another man has to do with anything here. Are you trying to tell me something because I don't know what that should mean to me?


I think he might be referring to how your marriage ended.


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
yes goforit, my mindset is going to be quite different on trip 2. I am really at the point of going either way with this. I guess because maybe I have another meeting in the summer with the Sumy girl.


Yup, I think you hit the nail on the head.


Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
99+% of the time I act as a member not a moderator. I guess you don't believe a moderator should have opinions, wish people good luck, or help when they send an e-mail or call you. In your opinion a moderator should only dictate and site law and that is ludicrous, not realistick, and very "ANAL".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have an opinion and I will express it. If the members don't like it then report me to the moderators and adminstators. Or maybe they would like to be a moderator, this can be arranged but not a garauntee.

Clark, if you are going to anywhere in this world, you need to learn to respect the opinions of other people. You have a lot of growing up to do.

In the future, don't view my posts as being a moderator ... only as a member. We are all equal here and have an equal voice, at least this is my opinion but maybe not the opinion of Clark.


GTR

Anytime you attempt to quell the opinions of others with what you believe to be a superior opinion then NO, your opinion means nothing. For some reason you fail to grasp the reality that RP is seeking opinions to his particular dilemma. It is his thread. He did not state he only wished for likewise opinions or myself and I'm sure most of the others would have abided by his request.

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Okay everyone, I think RP gets the message from us all. So let's stop tearing down his opinion and expressing ours. If he wants to continue a possible relationship with this girl then I think we should wish him good luck with this journey and show some support.

RP, we all express our concerns and opinions because we care about you. I am sure we all wish you the best with this journey and any future adventures.

Take care and good luck - Steve


This post is ANAL. I did not at anytime refer to GTR as anal. It's unfortunate you do not recognize the difference. I'll be sure to make a mental note of that for your future posts. For quick reference here is my post

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Originally Posted by clark
Perhaps our (yours and mine) reading comprehension skills are different. I didn't see anyone telling him what to do as I saw opinions being voiced as to what they, the posters would do in that particular situation, as described. RP responded to opinions offered with yet more information which does lend itself to further questions, investigation and yet more solicited opinions.

He's a big boy GTR, let him voice when he's heard enough. I am not trying to change his mind. I would agree he needs to see this out to HIS end but, either way it's his choice. It's pretty obvious he is seeking some degree of validation for the negatives and positives that he is feeling. If he isn't, what's the point of starting the thread?

Please don't misinterpret my earlier post GTR. I'm not looking to stir any undue poop here. However, your earlier post came off as presumptuous and a bit anal.


Rather than acknowledge a mistake on your part, you choose to cast an aspersion on my IQ or intellect? This sounds "grown up" to you? It's okay GTR to say to yourself "hey, maybe someone BESIDES me can be right". Apologize and back off of it instead of stating "just trying to keep the peace" might help you save some face in your future encounters. I have yet to call you a name. I would not engage in such an exercise with someone as you so ill equipped.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Well I see you have lost all common sense and means of communication because I don't understand a thing you are saying.

I read something about an apology, so I accept your apology but it's not necessary.

I'm finished with this and will no longer comment because it is going no where and is not benefiting this forum.

I guess we agree to disagree.


Posted by: AkMike

IMO This is a misunderstanding of semantics and you both should drop it because it detracts from RP's thread.
There is no benifit to be gained from continueing.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
I think he might be referring to how your marriage ended.



Well I didn't turn into a sex crazed animal when I got divorced from my ex wife. I actually turned into a more successful business person because I dove into my work more & I got tons of stuff done that I neglected when I was married.

Then I found a 10 nice girls & had wild crazy s-x. Just kidding. 1 girl is more accurate. She was Latin if that tells you anything about the heat in the room. lol


Posted by: clark

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Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by AkMike
IMO This is a misunderstanding of semantics and you both should drop it because it detracts from RP's thread.
There is no benifit to be gained from continueing.



AK, you sir are correct and my apologies to RP


Posted by: AkMike

Please edit post # 415.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

It's okay by me if clark leaves this post. He has an opinion and I respect it.


Posted by: AkMike

IMO it can and should be modified to better state his thoughts. It's inflamitory as it's presantly stated.
Clark; You've only started posting again recently and you have alot of good thoughts. I just think that 415 can be stated alot better. I'm not a mod or an admin. just a schmuck.


Posted by: clark

AK, GTR

nuff said. RP's thread needs to be back on topic


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Well I didn't turn into a sex crazed animal when I got divorced from my ex wife. I actually turned into a more successful business person because I dove into my work more & I got tons of stuff done that I neglected when I was married.

Then I found a 10 nice girls & had wild crazy s-x. Just kidding. 1 girl is more accurate. She was Latin if that tells you anything about the heat in the room. lol


LOL! So why aren't you checking out some of the lovely ladies down in South America? Or maybe you are and just aren't telling us about it since this is the Russian Meeting Place.


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by goforit
LOL! So why aren't you checking out some of the lovely ladies down in South America? Or maybe you are and just aren't telling us about it since this is the Russian Meeting Place.


So you heard about the girls in South America have you. Yes, they love foreign men there. I don't go there but I do know a few guys who do and they come back with stories that would freak you out about the girls there. Anything goes there. There is a price for everything you want.

What ever is going thru your head about the stories , believe it, they even take pictures and I guess it's Girls gone wild x 20 if you get my drift.

I don't go to South America probably because I have friends from there who live here now & they tell me stories about how people get kidnapped there if they are business owners. Then these crazy guys ask for a ransom & if you don't pay them they kill your family. It happens alot in Columbia.


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
So you heard about the girls in South America have you.


Oh yes.

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Yes, they love foreign men there.


Indeed.

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I don't go there but I do know a few guys who do and they come back with stories that would freak you out about the girls there. Anything goes there. There is a price for everything you want.


When I first started out on this international dating adventure I went to some of the marriage sites. Some very lovely ladies to say the least with a very wide ethnic diversity like the FSU, ranging from blond hair blue eyed white skin to black hair brown eyed dark skin.

I read an excellent book called the Latina Bridal Guide that was pretty right on in searching for a foreign bride with concepts that could be applied anywhere and not just South America.

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What ever is going thru your head about the stories , believe it, they even take pictures and I guess it's Girls gone wild x 20 if you get my drift.


LOL! I was actually thinking of the more marriagable types, but having been around professional athletics and hollywood to some extent most of my life, no story surprises me.

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I don't go to South America probably because I have friends from there who live here now & they tell me stories about how people get kidnapped there if they are business owners. Then these crazy guys ask for a ransom & if you don't pay them they kill your family. It happens alot in Columbia.


Yeah I had a friend who wanted to open a bar in Bogota, Columbia. A number of us thought he was nuts.


Posted by: sidney

When I was single I did a couple of trips to Cali. It was fun but they didn't seem as sincere as russia.
Sid


Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by clark
AK, GTR

nuff said. RP's thread needs to be back on topic



Thank You!


Posted by: Jerico

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When I was single I did a couple of trips to Cali. It was fun but they didn't seem as sincere as russia.


Maybe because Russian girls hide it better

having met quit a few russian ladies now that i am married to one ,I can honestly say most are just like American girls .
Only difference I see is they dress better, have accents and are skinnier ,usually.
Of course JMO.


Posted by: goforit

So Jerry, what are you buzzing on?


Posted by: Jerico

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So Jerry, what are you buzzing on?

Hehhe, nothing of yet but in an hour or so some good German beer!!
Guess i should change that mood thing, heh.



Hey I was like that once, "Oh there so different" Russian girls.
Well all i can say is just remember that saying. two years later you will see how different they are ,
they are women just like American women and have the same wants and desires LOL.

Dont get me wrong. I love Russian women.
However, The days of meeting a young peasant girl from Russia are over my friends.
Again just my opinion is all but i do speak with some experience behind my belt on this.
Jerry


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Hehhe, nothing of yet but in an hour or so some good German beer!!
Guess i should change that mood thing, heh.


LOL! I'm about to step out and get me some good beer myself, hopefully a nice imperial Pilsner although they are hard to find this time of year. Just thought you might have some suggestions


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Hehhe, nothing of yet but in an hour or so some good German beer!!
Guess i should change that mood thing, heh.



Hey I was like that once, "Oh there so different" Russian girls.
Well all i can say is just remember that saying. two years later you will see how different they are ,
they are women just like American women and have the same wants and desires LOL.

Dont get me wrong. I love Russian women.
However, The days of meeting a young peasant girl from Russia are over my friends.
Again just my opinion is all but i do speak with some experience behind my belt on this.
Jerry


You are so right Jerry.

Time and again on this forum and others I am reminded by ConnerVT's saying. "I married a woman from russia, not a russian woman".


Posted by: stevo

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Originally Posted by goforit
I'm about to step out and get me some good beer myself, hopefully a nice imperial Pilsner although they are hard to find this time of year. Just thought you might have some suggestions

For "Defender of the Fatherland" Day my wife gave me Paulaner Oktoberfest and Früh Kölsch.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Hey I was like that once, "Oh there so different" Russian girls.
Well all i can say is just remember that saying. two years later you will see how different they are ,
they are women just like American women and have the same wants and desires LOL.

Dont get me wrong. I love Russian women.
However, The days of meeting a young peasant girl from Russia are over my friends.
Again just my opinion is all but i do speak with some experience behind my belt on this.
Jerry


In once sense all women are the same, by virtue of being women. Strange beautiful mysterious creatures who we will spend a lifetime trying to plumb the depths of that wonderous and sometimes very frustrating mysteriousness. I think as men we invite a lot of problems if we don't recognize the "otherness" of women in general and vice versa.

On the other hand no two woman are exactly the same by virtue of being human, so while she might share some commonalities with those of her gender she is still going to have her own uniqueness. That will be true no matter where she is from.

I think deep down everyone wants the same thing. We want to be happy, we want to be loved, we want to be secure, comfortable, needed, significant, etc., but the cultural expressions of how we go about that are different.

There are lots of Russian woman who more and more are really no different than American woman, especially once they reach US soil. That is not to say they adopt extreme feminist attitudes, especially since feminism in the west is on the run, if not outright dying, but it is to say they won't necessarily be the stereotypical "Russian girl" that a lot of guys seem to have in mind when they start this search. I would say this is especially true of those from big cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg but it can happen anywhere.

But there are Russian woman who remain distinct not only in external superficial sort of ways, but in deep seated convictions that result in different cultural expressions of how they go about their lives. I see the differences all time in the Russian community I am a part of.

The trick in my opinion is to know exactly what you want and be "ruthless" going about getting it. Of course you really have to know yourself and really know what is important in general and what is important to you. I see many guys who flunk all three tests. If someone's main criteria, for example, is that they just want someone who is "exotic" and "different" then they shouldn't be too surprised if things don't turn out the way they expected.

I say success in finding a foreign bride is no different than success in finding a domestic bride: know what you want and don't compromise on any thing less. And even though there may be a greater pool of the kind of woman many of us are looking for in the FSU, we should take nothing for granted, and simply look at them as individuals and evaluate them on that basis.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I am still talking & I am going in April to Odessa to see the current women. But also I wrote to a nice lady in Vinnitsa a week ago & I got her letter back this morning. She also is a teacher for High School age students.

She said she really enjoyed my 1st letter to her & she is looking forward to us talking more. She now works with computers in some type of business. She wants to have children also & she is 36 years old.

I will write 1 or 2 more letters than ask for her phone number.

So as of now I have the Odessa women to see again in April and the Sumy women to see in the summer & maybe the Odessa women in the summer also & we will have to see where the progress leads with the Vinnitsa women. The Vinnitsa women seems to be very nice but it's only one letter so I really don't know yet. We will see! I FORGOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE NIKOLAOV women. She sent me a letter 2 or 3 weeks ago telling me she is to busy at work to communicate & write letters at this time.

I really think that something was up with her because after about 8 or 9 letters she still refused to give me her phone number & then she gave me the I'M VERY BUSY story. So she is out of the picture! Oh well, I tried.

One of them hopefully is a gem. WHICH ONE!


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi Guys,
So as of now I have the Odessa women to see again in April and the Sumy women to see in the summer & maybe the Odessa women in the summer also & we will have to see where the progress leads with the Vinnitsa women. The Vinnitsa women seems to be very nice but it's only one letter so I really don't know yet. We will see! I FORGOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE NIKOLAOV women. She sent me a letter 2 or 3 weeks ago telling me she is to busy at work to communicate & write letters at this time.


Well you are living up to the name of this thread!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Well you are living up to the name of this thread!



That's correct. Before I would put all my eggs in one basket. Now I am in a position in my life with having my own work schedule to make a couple trips a year to visit a few women.

I am on a mission. The mission is to find the right girl that I have no doubt that she is good for me and me good for her. As far as living up to the name of this thread. I should have changed the name to 4 very nice women, this is what I will do!

I plan on visiting an and every women who I think has great possibility to be my life partner. I want to have kids and a great women who shares my dreams

If I have to make a trip over seas every 4 months I will do it. Eventually one of these women are going to be "THE ONE". But which one?


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Good luck, RP. I visited 8 women, 3 in Russia, 5 in Ukraine and was enjoying these trials but it dawned on me one day that I actually needed to settle down. Apart from one, I could have settled for any of these. These meetings were holidays and I saw some of the most beautiful places in the world. I can go to St. Petersburg anytime and Yalta is just bliss. And by the way, try the Theatre in Odessa - it is wonderful. I saw a play there and sitting next to a beautiful woman made up for my lack of knowledge of the Russian language. The Romance of Moscow still lives on and the shopping malls there rival some of the most upmarket ones in the western. Moscow, Kiev and St. Pete's undergrounds are just like gallaries and I spent loads of time just marvelling at the beautiful art down there. And travel is cheap!

The journey was very enjoyable, but I feel I have now reached my destination.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
For "Defender of the Fatherland" Day my wife gave me Paulaner Oktoberfest and Früh Kölsch.


Is that a Scottish or Russian holiday?


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by GoeastLJ
Good luck, RP. I visited 8 women, 3 in Russia, 5 in Ukraine and was enjoying these trials but it dawned on me one day that I actually needed to settle down. Apart from one, I could have settled for any of these. These meetings were holidays and I saw some of the most beautiful places in the world. I can go to St. Petersburg anytime and Yalta is just bliss. And by the way, try the Theatre in Odessa - it is wonderful. I saw a play there and sitting next to a beautiful woman made up for my lack of knowledge of the Russian language. The Romance of Moscow still lives on and the shopping malls there rival some of the most upmarket ones in the western. Moscow, Kiev and St. Pete's undergrounds are just like gallaries and I spent loads of time just marvelling at the beautiful art down there. And travel is cheap!

The journey was very enjoyable, but I feel I have now reached my

destination.


Looks like you had some good times there Goeast. I know it's going to pay off sooner or later for me. I'm visiting these women hoping that just one of them will stick out above the others . And its not looks that I mean. I want to feel that genuine caring feeling that is real from a women who wants to really share her life with me and gives herself emotionally to me.

I don't really know what will happen in April with this girl, but if she doesn't talk to me on Skype between now & April , she is in for an awakening from my mouth to her ears.

I really don't like when someone thinks that I forgot about something when it is between us & we had an understanding. I'm not worried about the $100 I gave her for skype. I am wondering what she did or did not do with the money I gave her for Skype & internet connection.

It's incredible that she still doesn't mention it. But that's ok, because when I am there in April I will surely mention it. And I wouldn't be surprised if 5 minutes after that conversation we are over and done.

But who knows , we will see what comes out of her mouth & brain about not talking to me on Skype.

I don't forget anything. Especially things that I agree on & am expecting to happen. If I say I'm doing something for you , consider it done. I want the same from other people when they tell me they will do something concerning me. if you can't do what you tell me you will do "TELL ME YOU CAN'T DO IT"

Is that so complicated to understand.

I'm not freakin out, just picturing scenerios in my head that can happen when I get there in April.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by goforit
Well you are living up to the name of this thread!

Yes, 774 ... 768 to go!


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Yes, 774 ... 768 to go!



I didn't realize I was doing so well. I only have 504 to go from the original 932.


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Yes, 774 ... 768 to go!


I'm lost. What does that mean?


Posted by: goforit

Just joking with the numbers. Instead of 4 GTR started with 774 and I started with 932. Or was it 1032....hehehe.


Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by RP
I'm not worried about the $100 I gave her for skype. I am wondering what she did or did not do with the money I gave her for Skype & internet connection.

It's incredible that she still doesn't mention it. But that's ok, because when I am there in April I will surely mention it. And I wouldn't be surprised if 5 minutes after that conversation we are over and done.

But who knows , we will see what comes out of her mouth & brain about not talking to me on Skype.


RP why don't you just stop all this wondering did she do that and did she do this and next time yuo talk to her, say to her, I am going to call you on Skype next time, give her no choice, but to either tell you the truth or take the call and prove she has had it installed. Why wait until April?


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by Chrismc
RP why don't you just stop all this wondering did she do that and did she do this and next time yuo talk to her, say to her, I am going to call you on Skype next time, give her no choice, but to either tell you the truth or take the call and prove she has had it installed. Why wait until April?


Good idea Chris. You are right, I should know now. Even if it ends up in an argument because she didn't get internet I should know what really happened.

I do know that she said she used the money I gave her to fix her computer. She said she got internet with the money that was left over but not high speed internet. That's why she said we can only talk on Skype but not use the cam feature to see each other. She said her internet is not fast enough.

But we haven't even done that yet. I will admit , it's bothering me and this situation could mean the end of us if I get the wrong answers from her. But I guess it's a situation that must be discussed no matter what the outcome.


Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I'm lost. What does that mean?

RP,
look at your name Royalpalace774 that is where GTR got the 774 from (as in number of women to meet until you find the correct one) and with you meeting women you are now down to 768.

he think he was just trying to inject a little humor


Posted by: Chrismc

Well better to know now and end it than spend a few more $000 going back in April by that time you could be visiting someone new

Plus if she has already told you that you can talk on Skype, why don't you? if she now tells you she doesn't have it, it gives you more amunition.

Time to take the bull by the horns RP and stop wasting time. Get some answers and then decide whether you carry on or move on! IMHO.


Posted by: goforit

Yup sounds like something you need to find out about now. I'm not even sure I would argue with her if it turns out that she didn't do what she said she was going to do. Just show her the door, after all you have 768 to go!


Posted by: stevo

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Originally Posted by goforit
Is that a Scottish or Russian holiday?

It's the Russian one. With Women's Day approaching, I casually enquired as to what I might be receiving for Defender of the Fatherland Day - given how busy I normally am defending that ole Fatherland - and later that day I received said beers as well as a super-spooky ghost keyring (Google search for "oooooh ghost").


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
WOW! I just talked to her on Skype for 45 minutes. I called her and she said to me thank god it's Friday and I can relax a little & not do so much work for my students. Then she said she will go on her computer now & talk to me on Skype.

SHE DID! I am feeling alot better now about her.

I asked her why we did not talk on Skype a few weeks ago. She said if you knew how much work I have to do to prepare for classes for my students you would fall off your chair. She said she usually stays up until 12 midnight printing papers for her students and there is just not alot of time to do anything.

She came thru guys. This kind of changes everything. She even told me she can't wait to see me and she said she misses me alot. She said she wants to cook a great meal for me when I come in April. Her mother got on the phone to talk to me also. She told me her mother adores me.

I got her mom flowers for women's day. She will get them on March 8th along with my girl getting flowers also from me.

My girl thanked me for getting her mom flowers. She then said to me that I am a wonderful man with a big heart. She was so happy to know that I did that for her mom.

You see guys, if I listened to a few of you who told me to run and dump her I would have never known if she told the truth about Skype connection.



Today I feel is a step forward. Now I am sure that the next trip is worth going for! It's not perfect yet but it is a step in the right direction.

You see, sometimes you have to wait a little to find out things. If we jump to quick we can destroy the possibility of something that was meant to be a good thing.

She told the truth. What can I say?


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
You see guys, if I listened to a few of you who told me to run and dump her I would have never known if she told the truth about Skype connection.

You see, sometimes you have to wait a little to find out things. If we jump to quick we can destroy the possibility of something that was meant to be a good thing.

She told the truth. What can I say?


From what you originally wrote, I was under the impression you knew she had lied to you about the whole computer deal. The other stuff you weren't so sure about. So given that I'm not sure why we were even having this discussion, since everything I wrote was predicated on what I thought was a fact that she had lied to you. The other stuff I thought you should forget about (money/taxi etc.) or wasn't your proper place to make a demand about (commitment).

If she didn't lie to you then hey no reason to give up on her yet (but still make those other visits - it will keep things balanced, at least until you figure out if she or someone else is "the one")


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
From what you originally wrote, I was under the impression you knew she had lied to you about the whole computer deal. The other stuff you weren't so sure about. So given that I'm not sure why we were even having this discussion, since everything I wrote was predicated on what I thought was a fact that she had lied to you. The other stuff I thought you should forget about (money/taxi etc.) or wasn't your proper place to make a demand about (commitment).

If she didn't lie to you then hey no reason to give up on her yet (but still make those other visits - it will keep things balanced, at least until you figure if she or someone else is "the one")


I never said she flat out lied about the computer breaking. I said her story changed from a man dropping something on it to 2 women broke it. I still can't figure out that part of it.

And I was also under the impression that she did not get internet. But she showed me today by talking on skype that she obviously has internet now.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I never said she flat out lied about the computer breaking. I said her story changed from a man dropping something on it to 2 women broke it. I still can't figure out that part of it.


Right, which I took to mean she was lying. Still do but it sounds like things are going better and that is a good thing.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Right, which I took to mean she was lying. Still do but it sounds like things are going better and that is a good thing.



As far as the computer story goes, I know she remembers what she tells me. I find it strange how that story changed. But maybe I misunderstood something she said. I'm not trying to make an excuse for her but sometimes I have talked to her on the phone & she says something and I ask her what did you say & she says I was just telling my mother something.

Maybe it was one of those times when she said something to her mom while on the phone with me & I thought she was talking to me.

I guess if I ask her again I will know what she meant. But if I bring that up again she can start thinking I am accusing her & it can get crazy . If I do bring it up it has to be very carefully said.


Posted by: Chrismc

Well at least you have cleared one question up about the Skype, sometimes it is best to just outright ask things instead of going round in circles.


Posted by: blucatz

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
As far as the computer story goes, I know she remembers what she tells me. I find it strange how that story changed. But maybe I misunderstood something she said. I'm not trying to make an excuse for her but sometimes I have talked to her on the phone & she says something and I ask her what did you say & she says I was just telling my mother something.

Maybe it was one of those times when she said something to her mom while on the phone with me & I thought she was talking to me.

I guess if I ask her again I will know what she meant. But if I bring that up again she can start thinking I am accusing her & it can get crazy . If I do bring it up it has to be very carefully said.

If she was talking to her mom, wouldn't she be talking to her in Russian? How would you mistake what she said if it was in Russian?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
If she was talking to her mom, wouldn't she be talking to her in Russian? How would you mistake what she said if it was in Russian?


Very good point blucatz. You are right , she would speak Russian, not English.

I still am wondering about who broke the computer. I could ask again but
where will that get me or us. What was important to me was if she spent the money I gave her on getting internet & having Skype work.

Today she had internet & the Skype worked. At this point does it really matter who broke the computer. No matter what her answer is, then what? If she says 2 women broke it and I say why did you say a man dropped something on it. She can say she made a mistake or she was thinking about something else.

I know it could be a sign of covering something up. And then I could be making it bigger than it is.

Remember , there were a few of you that said to run as fast as I can. Now that some things have cleared up with the internet & skype why should I run now. I think it's a fair assumption that things are not as bad as I thought they were going to get.

I still have great talks with her on the phone. And she tells me to make sure I call her tomorrow. We still laugh alot. Maybe she's faking it. Maybe it's real. I'm not jumping for joy, but I think things are ok at the moment. The trip in April will be a good sign of what's to come.

I am just being careful because of what I went thru with the last 2 women when I went there. So anything will look fishy to me!


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Remember , there were a few of you that said to run as fast as I can. Now that some things have cleared up with the internet & skype why should I run now. I think it's a fair assumption that things are not as bad as I thought they were going to get.


IMO, lying is a good reason to run, especially when it was about something that isn't a big deal. But now it sounds as if you are not so sure she is lying, and if you are not then there is no reason to run.

I personally think that unless you really misunderstood her or there is something we are missing from reading your posts, something strange happened. But you are the one who is communicating with her, not us, and only you can make that call.[/QUOTE]


Posted by: Spakoyna

My wife always confuses gender! I don't know why! Perhaps this was just a simple communication misunderstanding!

RP...You have to admit. You do paint a very gloomy, pesimistic picture when you post all your doubts!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
IMO, lying is a good reason to run, especially when it was about something that isn't a big deal. But now it sounds as if you are not so sure she is lying, and if you are not then there is no reason to run.

I personally think that unless you really misunderstood her or there is something we are missing from reading your posts, something strange happened. But you are the one who is communicating with her, not us, and only you can make that call.
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you are correct goforit. Lying is a good reason to run. But only when you are sure that there was a lie. I thought that she was making up a story about her computer breaking so she would not have to get internet & talk to me on skype , which I figured she would spend the $100.00 I gave her on something else.

And I am not so sure she was lying, but I was really anticipating that she was not going to come thru with talking to me on Skype and she did come thru today without me asking. So like you said, I don't see a reason to run yet!


Posted by: blucatz

Then enjoy it while you can, use your best judgement, and only run when you feel you need to. I get confused sometimes with the things AW say half the time and it takes some time for thier stories to get cleared up.


Posted by: Chillidog

RP,
was it you in this thread that mentioned when you called your lady if she recieved another call on a different phone, she would just hang up on you? that afterwards she would tell you she told you she had to answer the other phone and that she said good-bye, though your memory tells you different?
I was just wondering if you had gotten this situation straightened out to your satisfaction? How does she act now if another phone rings?
(I didn't want to re-read the whole thread so I hope this question is pertinent)

I am glad to see that some worries and questions you had are being answered, and that you are starting to feel good about this trip again. For awhile your thoughts and posts made it sound like everything was going to hell in a handbasket.

wish you the best


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,
was it you in this thread that mentioned when you called your lady if she recieved another call on a different phone, she would just hang up on you? that afterwards she would tell you she told you she had to answer the other phone and that she said good-bye, though your memory tells you different?
I was just wondering if you had gotten this situation straightened out to your satisfaction? How does she act now if another phone rings?
(I didn't want to re-read the whole thread so I hope this question is pertinent)

I am glad to see that some worries and questions you had are being answered, and that you are starting to feel good about this trip again. For awhile your thoughts and posts made it sound like everything was going to hell in a handbasket.

wish you the best



Yes, I did say that she would hang up when her phone rang. But I did ask her to never do that again and her phone rang a few days ago when we were talking and she said can you please call me back in 20 minutes I have to talk to my collegue from my work.

So that is now better. I called back in 20 minutes and everything was fine.


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
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you are correct goforit. Lying is a good reason to run. But only when you are sure that there was a lie. I thought that she was making up a story about her computer breaking so she would not have to get internet & talk to me on skype , which I figured she would spend the $100.00 I gave her on something else.

And I am not so sure she was lying, but I was really anticipating that she was not going to come thru with talking to me on Skype and she did come thru today without me asking. So like you said, I don't see a reason to run yet!


Then, just as my handle says, GO FOR IT!


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Yes, I did say that she would hang up when her phone rang. But I did ask her to never do that again and her phone rang a few days ago when we were talking and she said can you please call me back in 20 minutes I have to talk to my collegue from my work.

So that is now better. I called back in 20 minutes and everything was fine.

Well, this does sound good, it looks like the both of you are getting a better feel and undertsnading for each other. There are always little bumps in the road, it just seemed like you had a lot of little bumps going at one time. Like I wrote to you in an earlier post that with all relationships patience is very important, and I feel sometimes because of the distance in these types of relationships, we sometimes read to much into little things, but if something is bothering us we do need to address these matters so we do not drive ourselves insane.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
Well, this does sound good, it looks like the both of you are getting a better feel and undertsnading for each other. There are always little bumps in the road, it just seemed like you had a lot of little bumps going at one time. Like I wrote to you in an earlier post that with all relationships patience is very important, and I feel sometimes because of the distance in these types of relationships, we sometimes read to much into little things, but if something is bothering us we do need to address these matters so we do not drive ourselves insane.


Even with things looking better there is still no commitment yet. What I mean is that even with things getting better between us , after I make my next trip she or I or both of us might think we are not so good for each other.

I learned from my last relationship with my ex that I had a K1 with , that at any time everything can end when you least xpect. So I am just going with the flow & going to meet her again & see what happens.

I still have another meeting in the summer. I actually just ordered the Sumy women some flowers for women's day. I also ordered flowers for the current women I met And I sent a happy women's day message to the Vinitsa women. It is only my 2d letter to her & I dont have a phone number or address yet.

So there are 3 women. And I plan on seeing all 3 . Like I said before, I could possibly go in April to see the current women & maybe it will end, maybe it won't. But I'm sure going to spend time with the others to see if I'm missing something great.


Time will tell!


Posted by: Chillidog

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Even with things looking better there is still no commitment yet. What I mean is that even with things getting better between us , after I make my next trip she or I or both of us might think we are not so good for each other.

I learned from my last relationship with my ex that I had a K1 with , that at any time everything can end when you least xpect. So I am just going with the flow & going to meet her again & see what happens.

I still have another meeting in the summer. I actually just ordered the Sumy women some flowers for women's day. I also ordered flowers for the current women I met And I sent a happy women's day message to the Vinitsa women. It is only my 2d letter to her & I dont have a phone number or address yet.

So there are 3 women. And I plan on seeing all 3 . Like I said before, I could possibly go in April to see the current women & maybe it will end, maybe it won't. But I'm sure going to spend time with the others to see if I'm missing something great.


Time will tell!

RP, like you have had a similar experience with K1 but the paperwork and filling was never processed, so do not know if is exactly the same. In the two times I traveled I met only 1 woman each time (with no backup plan). Have just now gotten back in the game so to speak (took 6 months off after last trip before starting correspondence). I do not feel the tours are the way to go, that spending one-one time whether the result ends good or bad is at least for me the proper way to do it. But I start to feel that meeting a couple or 3 on one trip is a good option. What I mean is to spend atleast 3-4 days with one girl (ideally a week) then meet another on this same trip and spend again 3-4 days min. with her, to give a person abetter perspective on the woman and a better chance at meeting that "one" girl for you. I also do not feel that one meeting alone can determine if she is correct. So I agree with your thinking, and after these trips you will have a much better understanding of the Odessa girl, meeting the Sumy girl and possibily the Vinnitsa girl, and hopefully you can determine which you feel most comfortable for you.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP, like you have had a similar experience with K1 but the paperwork and filling was never processed, so do not know if is exactly the same. In the two times I traveled I met only 1 woman each time (with no backup plan). Have just now gotten back in the game so to speak (took 6 months off after last trip before starting correspondence). I do not feel the tours are the way to go, that spending one-one time whether the result ends good or bad is at least for me the proper way to do it. But I start to feel that meeting a couple or 3 on one trip is a good option. What I mean is to spend atleast 3-4 days with one girl (ideally a week) then meet another on this same trip and spend again 3-4 days min. with her, to give a person abetter perspective on the woman and a better chance at meeting that "one" girl for you. I also do not feel that one meeting alone can determine if she is correct. So I agree with your thinking, and after these trips you will have a much better understanding of the Odessa girl, meeting the Sumy girl and possibily the Vinnitsa girl, and hopefully you can determine which you feel most comfortable for you.


Yes chillidog, I think meeting a couple & spending a good 7 days with each on the 1st meeting is the way to go, at least for me it is. 3 or 4 days goes by way to quick so if I can't be with the women for 7 days I will ask her to meet at another time when 7 days will be good for her also.

This is why I haven't met the Sumy girl yet. She is a kindergarden teacher & she has time off in April but she promised her mom she would be with her to help with some things in a garden that they own & grow vegetables. So my meeting with her is in the summer but we haven't made a solid date yet. That will be decided very soon.

I still get her flowers & I don't forget about her on the important holidays they have over there. Even though I have met the current girl I still don't know what will happen with her. As a matter of fact, I talked to her on the phone yesterday and we were having normal conversation. And at some point she told me she had a friend that rented apartments and she could get me one. I told her I already made a deposit for the same one I used on my last trip. She then said the one she found was cheaper but maybe no internet.

I told her that unless I see a few photos I will not want it. She said there are no photos. I then said than case closed, I don't want it. I then told her that maybe when I come back in the summer I will get an apt from her friend because if I spend a month with herI can use an apt that has a lower daily rate.

Then she says we don't know yet what will happen in the summer, you need to come in April to see if we will continue our relationship. She said she doesn't want to plan so ahead & rush things. She wants to see how we are together in April. I said I agree totally.

At the same time I am remembering how she said to me at least 10 times since I have known her that we can do this in the summer and we can go here in the summer when you spend a month with me. So I didn't push it.

I told her you are correct. Maybe you or I will decide that we are not good for each other. And in the back of my mind I am thinking she thinks I am 100% counting on her being THE ONE, when in fact I am still questioning it. For some strange reason I get the feeling that she thinks that I am counting on her to come thru and I have nothing else going on. And of course she probably thinks she is the greatest & I want her badly.

Who knows. But one thing is for sure. After what she went thru with the other guy I am sure she is on guard and she needs to be sure also. So I don't lame her for being careful & not rushing into it.

The thing that is funny to me is how she is the one who has been bringing up things about when we meet again in April and when we spend a month together in the summer. And yesterday she was talking like "Slow down , we might not meet in the summer if April shows us something different.

If she thinks the grass is greener than by all means I told her if you are not completely happy with me I don't want you to be with me. I told her this has to be where we both know this is for sure. I told her, don't settle for me because you think you may not meet the one for a long time. She said she just wants to be sure. I then told her that we both need to feel it is right with us.

I then told her no matter what happens I will always treasure our time together and I wish her the best. I told her you are a young beautiful women & your time is coming for you to meet THE ONE. Maybe it's me & maybe it's not.

And it is when I let her know that I am willing to let her go that a day later she is always being nicer and talking about what things we can do together when I see her.

Women, a rare breed. I think it still hold true at times. We want what we can't have. Crazy but sometimes true.

And lately when I don't call her for a day she says why haven't you called me. I tell her I had things to do and I was busy. She becomes more interested because she is wondering why I am not on her like gum.

Crazy! women sometimes can't figure them out.


Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I then told her no matter what happens I will always treasure our time together and I wish her the best. I told her you are a young beautiful women & your time is coming for you to meet THE ONE. Maybe it's me & maybe it's not.

And it is when I let her know that I am willing to let her go that a day later she is always being nicer and talking about what things we can do together when I see her.

Women, a rare breed. I think it still hold true at times. We want what we can't have. Crazy but sometimes true.

And lately when I don't call her for a day she says why haven't you called me. I tell her I had things to do and I was busy. She becomes more interested because she is wondering why I am not on her like gum.

Crazy! women sometimes can't figure them out.


IMO, it is true almost 99% of the time that when you have the take it or leave it approach during the romance phase a woman will respond to you with heightened interest, as Chris said they want what they can't have and I will add what they aren't sure they can have as well.

When she thinks she has you 100% in the romance phase (where no commitment has been made) she will start taking you for granted. That is one of the values of going slow, it keeps her head in the game long enough for you to truly win her heart if that is what you want.

Your trip report will be interesting. I'm still of the opinion that she will be on you like white on rice, because she will sense - she already does - a different attitude in you. A "if it works that will be great, but if it it doesn't, well, you know, I do have other options. You are not the only fish in the sea."

In the world of dating, domestic or foreign, for many women that attitude makes all the difference in the world.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
IMO, it is true almost 99% of the time that when you have the take it or leave it approach during the romance phase a woman will respond to you with heightened interest, as Chris said they want what they can't have and I will add what they aren't sure they can have as well.

When she thinks she has you 100% in the romance phase (where no commitment has been made) she will start taking you for granted. That is one of the values of going slow, it keeps her head in the game long enough for you to truly win her heart if that is what you want.

Your trip report will be interesting. I'm still of the opinion that she will be on you like white on rice, because she will sense - she already does - a different attitude in you. A "if it works that will be great, but if it it doesn't, well, you know, I do have other options. You are not the only fish in the sea."

In the world of dating, domestic or foreign, for many women that attitude makes all the difference in the world.


The thing is that I am in the mind set that if this works with her than that is great. And the truth is that if it doesn't work with her I will tell her very nicely that we had a nice time together & I wish her good luck in finding THE ONE. And I really mean it. Yes she is very attractive to me & she is at a great age to have kids and be a mother & all of that stuff. But I'm not going to beg her or any women to be with me. And with the other 2 women I have in the running I really am not desperate for it to work with her. I like when we are together. But it takes two not one.

The other 2 women are beautiful also. And they are just as attractive as this one & maybe even more. Plus they are both from smaller cities in the Ukraine which might make them a bit more appreciative towards me than a big city Odessa girl.

The Sumy women is very happy that I am going to see her & I can tell in her letters how much she appreciates it when I send her flowers and even when I call her & we speak to each other. We can't really understand much but it's still nice to hear her laugh when I say some Russian & when she says some English words. I think all she can say is THANK YOU and , Flowers and OK


As far as the Odessa being on me like white on rice, I think it's possible. But I seem to think she is the kind that will try & play it real cool & maybe not show just how interested she is. I am saying this because she made a statement to me when I was with her at dinner one night.

We were talking about relationships a little & she said to me that she thinks it is much better when the man is more in love with the women than the women in love with the man. I said why do you think like that. She said it is just my opinion that it is better that way.

If she wants to play the play hard to get game with me than she is just wasting her time. I really want to know for sure on our next meeting where it will go with us. I don't want to have to guess.

I am sure sometime at the end of the next trip there will be some type of discussion of where are we going or where are we not going in this relationship. And the funny thing is she doesn't ask me if I am writing or planning any visits to any other women. So I don't tell her, why should I just tell her something she doesn't ask me?

I am sure she is writing to other guys. I don't know if she is planning on any visits from any of them . But I told her if she has any visits coming up I really don't care. We were talking about the site I met her on & it came up. I told her if it works with us than good, if it doesn't than I wish you all the best in finding the right guy.

I didn't call her today because I had alot going on and I wouldn't be surprised if she is very nice tomorrow if I call.

The bottom line here is this. I am not in love yet. I am in like. If it is over after trip two than I get ready anyway top see the Sumy girl or the Vinitsa girl. And the fact is, I want to see them anyway.

I don't know what the chemistry will be with the other 2. But it's still exciting to see what can happen. So I think I leave again in 5 weeks.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I am sure sometime at the end of the next trip there will be some type of discussion of where are we going or where are we not going in this relationship. And the funny thing is she doesn't ask me if I am writing or planning any visits to any other women. So I don't tell her, why should I just tell her something she doesn't ask me?


I'm with you 100% on that one.

Quote:
I am sure she is writing to other guys. I don't know if she is planning on any visits from any of them . But I told her if she has any visits coming up I really don't care. We were talking about the site I met her on & it came up. I told her if it works with us than good, if it doesn't than I wish you all the best in finding the right guy.


Oh that's good. Really good.

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I didn't call her today because I had alot going on and I wouldn't be surprised if she is very nice tomorrow if I call.

The bottom line here is this. I am not in love yet. I am in like. If it is over after trip two than I get ready anyway top see the Sumy girl or the Vinitsa girl. And the fact is, I want to see them anyway.


And all God's people said, "AMEN!"


Posted by: nocomfortzone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chillidog
RP,
was it you in this thread that mentioned when you called your lady if she recieved another call on a different phone, she would just hang up on you? that afterwards she would tell you she told you she had to answer the other phone and that she said good-bye, though your memory tells you different?
I was just wondering if you had gotten this situation straightened out to your satisfaction? How does she act now if another phone rings?
(I didn't want to re-read the whole thread so I hope this question is pertinent)

I am glad to see that some worries and questions you had are being answered, and that you are starting to feel good about this trip again. For awhile your thoughts and posts made it sound like everything was going to hell in a handbasket.


I'm perusing through this forum today in some downtime and interesting to read some similar patterns continue to play out with people. I did make the comment once the rp can tend to be a drama queen. He did not like it but I think it is the truth and more an unconscious pattern than done on purpose. Also i read upstream on this thread somewhere about GTR saying tuning into it was like a soap...lol


Hopefully rp find the balance between needing drama in his life and just making it work in a nice way with a partner. I wish him well but see he does tend to be attracted to drama even if unconsciously so. it makes for interesting reading for us not living this way.

If you want or feel compelled to drama a good way to create it is to choose to go down a path rp has chosen to go down and keep updating people in it as the drama unfolds. The situations, circumstances and women may change but there is one constant in all of this..... no prizes for guessing what that is....


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
I'm perusing through this forum today in some downtime and interesting to read some similar patterns continue to play out with people. I did make the comment once the rp can tend to be a drama queen. He did not like it but I think it is the truth and more an unconscious pattern than done on purpose. Also i read upstream on this thread somewhere about GTR saying tuning into it was like a soap...lol


Hopefully rp find the balance between needing drama in his life and just making it work in a nice way with a partner. I wish him well but see he does tend to be attracted to drama even if unconsciously so. it makes for interesting reading for us not living this way.

If you want or feel compelled to drama a good way to create it is to choose to go down a path rp has chosen to go down and keep updating people in it as the drama unfolds. The situations, circumstances and women may change but there is one constant in all of this..... no prizes for guessing what that is....


You know NCZ, it seems that you only crawl back in to say crap. A drama queen is someone who causes & makes chaos in their life. I don't cause it or make it, I WRITE WHAT HAPPENS IN MY DAILY HAPPENINGS in my dating of these FSU women.

Where do you see me trying to NOT MAKE IT WORK. And your GTR comment about it being like a soap. I thought you were really classier than that. Everyone's story here is like a soap, including all of your ventures that have been un successful. When did you become the coolest guy on here.

The difference between me & you is that I don't have a problem letting people on this forum know details about things that are happening, I 'm not afraid like some people as yourself to worry who is reading what I write or reveal about my ventures out their in the fsu. And you also promised me that you were not going to bother posting anything about my ventures & what do you do?

You try to make yourself look like god's messenger to this forum that you are doing all of us a favor by telling us that rp is a drama queen.

rp tells it the way it happens and as it is happening. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem.

You are right about INTERESTING READING. It great to see someone who has NOTHING GOING ON IN HIS life to come pop out of his shell and talk crap about someone he knows absolutely nothing about. HE thinks he does, but we know better.

I am sure that with all of your dealing with any women in the fsu you have probably posted on here only what you wanted us to hear and not any more. That is the difference between me & you.

And I thought you were done with me. Remember NCZ, you did say you weren't going to waste your time on me anymore. I knew all along you would pop out one of these days & say talk sh-t. You seem to be the only one on here who has problems reading what I say. GOOD!

Think about what you are going to say in your reply to me. You have to make it good, everyone is watching to see just how low you are going to go on your next post about me. lol And we all know you are going to reply to this. How can you not, you are above me & you are Mr cool. I am just drama queen!

And don't tell me that your profession out in the real world is a psycologist or you are a shrink. You know NCZ, I don't even have a problem telling people I like you. But after your post trying to make your self look like the doctor of rmp I think you are a total waste of my time. And I truly believe that in the real world , a guy like you & me could never get along. You are just to smart & cool for a drama guy like me! duh!

You sure have alot of class NCZ, it's all lowwwwwwwwwwww!


Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
I'm perusing through this forum today in some downtime and interesting to read some similar patterns continue to play out with people. I did make the comment once the rp can tend to be a drama queen. He did not like it but I think it is the truth and more an unconscious pattern than done on purpose. Also i read upstream on this thread somewhere about GTR saying tuning into it was like a soap...lol


Hopefully rp find the balance between needing drama in his life and just making it work in a nice way with a partner. I wish him well but see he does tend to be attracted to drama even if unconsciously so. it makes for interesting reading for us not living this way.

If you want or feel compelled to drama a good way to create it is to choose to go down a path rp has chosen to go down and keep updating people in it as the drama unfolds. The situations, circumstances and women may change but there is one constant in all of this..... no prizes for guessing what that is....


First I am not even sure I should post this.

NCZ,
In the future if you have a bone to pick with someone, or a running feud with other members (I am relativly new to RMP so I do not know the history between you and RP) please do not use any of my posts as "fuel for the fire"
I asked a legitamite question, something RP had raised concerns on previously, I was wanting to know how things had progressed and at the end of this post, you will note, I was glad that many of RP's concerns had been resolved and this relationship was moving forward again. And , yes, I had written to him on several occasions that I thought patience was the best route and to not read too much into what was going on in correspondence, that I thought the best route for him was to go into this 2nd meeting with and "open" mind, and there was one post by me that stated with everything that was written that maybe it was time to end this relationship and to look to the other women he was still corresponding with.
This last post/question by me was not to "STIR THE POT" based on mine or any persons feeling of whether RP writes a "soap" or dramatizes his life experineces, I do not live in his shoes or am I privey to his personal correpsondence. I am not in a position to cast judgement. I can only offer opinions and suggestions an what a person writes, and I am by no means an expert, and RP I feel has a good understanding of this.
I am also writing this not as a friend of RP, I have never met him, and from his last post it is apparent he does not need any help in fighting his own battles.
I take offence at someone putting me in the middle of an ongoing feud, or using it to get under the skin of another member.
NCZ, if you disagree with my thoughts or wish to comment about them, please feel free to PM me, so we can keep this out of RP's thread.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I haven't posted anything in the last few weeks on my Odessa women because things were just going as usual with the phone calls every other day & things are ok.

I leave in about 3 weeks for trip 2 to see her. Something interesting happened in todays phone call. I called her & she answered and I said hello & then she said who is this? I said it is me, who did you think it was. So then she said she had got a call from her agency that 2 men wanted to talk with her & meet her. And she was expecting their call.

I don't know if she was trying to get a reaction out of me, but I said you don't have to tell me, it's none of my business. She then said she is not doing anything wrong because they are just like friends and I then told her she doesn't have to explain anything to me about these men calling her.

Then she says to me we are just friends also and they are not even in her thought as I am. I said again that she doesn't have to tell me anything and it's not my business to know.

It's very interesting that she told me the truth about her expecting a few calls from some men. She said 1 from the US & one from Europe. Ten minutes before I called her I spoke to the other women in Sumy.

The Sumy women sent me the nicest letter I think I have ever gotten from a women in the Ukraine. She basically said that she doesn't have the words to express how I show her such attention and she feels so special that on every holiday I have sent her flowers or chocolate. She hopes that our meeting is filled with joy & happiness & she appreciates all the attention that I show her and she loves our phone calls even if we don't understand what is being said. She loves it when we talk & then we laugh because we are both stuck for words.

She also said she wishes that she could be with me now & go to a few places like a theatre or a concert and she would dress up in a beautiful gown I would be very proud of her by my side.

WOW! She is something. Our plan is to meet in the summer after July 15th when she has no work. I will be with her for probably 2 weeks. I am getting us a 2 bedroom apt in Kiev. She loved that and said we will be at arms length & also have some privacy for each of us.

I guess that me and the Odessa women aren't committed & I think right now it's a good thing. I guess she also wants to see if the grass is greener. I am totally fine with that. I guess because I am looking forward to meeting the Sumy women.

The only thing I dread is what if after the 2nd trip coming up the Odessa women wants a commitment. I will probably tell her that I need another trip to see her. She doesn't ask me if I am writing or visiting any women at all.

It's funny that the Odessa women told me today that this coming week starting tomorrow she is very very busy with work. And at the same time she tells me 5 minutes before that that the agency called her to tell her that 2 men are here to meet her & they will call her for a meeting.


Oh well. What will be will be. Until I am committed to any one person I will also see what the possible other choices are. I do know that I am 100% going to meet this Sumy women. I have the best feeling about her since I have been doing this international dating thing. I just have this feeling that the Sumy women is the warmest caring appreciative person so far.

But you never know until you are face to face. The next 5 months are going to be very interesting that's for sure.

The one thing that is obvious about the Odessa girl is that it seems pretty clear that she wants to see what other options are there for meeting other men and I am totally ok with that. How can I complain about it when I also have another meeting set a few months from now.

The interesting thing will be to see what goes on with my 2nd meeting in 3 weeks knowing that she is about to meet 2 other guys this week.

I guess if she is distant from me in 3 weeks I will get the hint. The truth is I want her to be happy also with who ever she ends up with. (Me or someone else) But also my next trip with her is in my opinion a make it or break it situation. She knows I'm coming in 3 weeks and at the same time I know she is meeting 2 other guys this coming week.

Would it be hilarious if she tells me she met one of these guys and it was so great that they are getting married. Now that's crazy. But it's always possible with a women!


We will see!


Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by RP
Would it be hilarious if she tells me she met one of these guys and it was so great that they are getting married. Now that's crazy. But it's always possible with a women!


Take this as you will RP, but it is probably the best thing that could happen. From what you have said about the Sumy women, I think I would be putting more emphasis on seeing her than Ms Odessa again.

I still see red flags everywhere with Ms Odessa, whereas the little we know about the Sumy lady tells me she is looking for a proper long term relationship and not just having a good time every few months when another guy turns up, this is the impression I get now of the Odessa lady.


Posted by: AkMike

IMO you should pay alot more attention to the Sumy lady.. She sounds like she might be a keeper!

If you decide to go to Kiev don't forget that my DIL does tours and translations there.
b (subtle hint )


Posted by: blucatz

What if, and its a big if, when she meets these 2 other men, and over the next 3 weeks she becomes very distant with you because I guess she really likes one of them better or something, will you still make trip number 2?


Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by Chillidog
First I am not even sure I should post this.


when in doubt.... lol

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NCZ,
In the future if you have a bone to pick with someone, or a running feud with other members (I am relativly new to RMP so I do not know the history between you and RP) please do not use any of my posts as "fuel for the fire"


Hi Chillidog, your post had no real bearing for me posting. I just post my thoughts if and when I choose to browse and felt like making a comment.

There is no bone to pick.
I found rp conversing style with me way out of context and hostile in the past so basically chose to not get into those silly loaded conversations he was wasting my time with. So I bascially don't talk with him as I see no point in doing so in the way he was carrying on and that is that but commenting about his situation as a discussion I'm always open to do.

What he is doing in his romantic adventures if that is what you were mistaking as a bone to pick is interesting to observe just on human nature as there are people in life that tend to get attracted and drawn into drama in the way they talk etc. but they may not see it themselves and unconscious and see it just *happens* to them. A path of choosing to go down of marriage agencies looking for women overseas leans itself to a good environment to get into more drama in life. I put rp as one of those people. We all have some things we are unconscious of as patterns and sometimes when people point it out a person can react very negatively about it.

I simply observe at times he does not help his own cause and made comments talking about that generally.

Anyway I hope that clears things up for you Chillidog.
I don't have a bone to pick with him as such but I could see some time ago
there was no point into getting into conversation with rp in the way he was carrying on towards me as for me I just find it ridiculous to engage in the way he wanted to do.

Lets hope his adventure with the Sumy women can be short on drama happening and full of love and happy times.


Posted by: Chillidog

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone



Hi Chillidog, your post had no real bearing for me posting. I just post my thoughts if and when I choose to browse and felt like making a comment.

Anyway I hope that clears things up for you Chillidog.


NCZ, all good


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
when in doubt.... lol



Hi Chillidog, your post had no real bearing for me posting. I just post my thoughts if and when I choose to browse and felt like making a comment.

There is no bone to pick.
I found rp conversing style with me way out of context and hostile in the past so basically chose to not get into those silly loaded conversations he was wasting my time with. So I bascially don't talk with him as I see no point in doing so in the way he was carrying on and that is that but commenting about his situation as a discussion I'm always open to do.

What he is doing in his romantic adventures if that is what you were mistaking as a bone to pick is interesting to observe just on human nature as there are people in life that tend to get attracted and drawn into drama in the way they talk etc. but they may not see it themselves and unconscious and see it just *happens* to them. A path of choosing to go down of marriage agencies looking for women overseas leans itself to a good environment to get into more drama in life. I put rp as one of those people. We all have some things we are unconscious of as patterns and sometimes when people point it out a person can react very negatively about it.

I simply observe at times he does not help his own cause and made comments talking about that generally.

Anyway I hope that clears things up for you Chillidog.
I don't have a bone to pick with him as such but I could see some time ago
there was no point into getting into conversation with rp in the way he was carrying on towards me as for me I just find it ridiculous to engage in the way he wanted to do.

Lets hope his adventure with the Sumy women can be short on drama happening and full of love and happy times.



It's nice to hear from NCZ The doctor of RMP. NCZ, do me a favor. I do know that you aren't a doctor or have the credentials to make such observations as you do.

On a conscious level I will tell you that what comes out of your mouth to me is garbage. I don't mind also saying that you are the only person on Rmp that I have a problem with.

And the reason for my problem is obvious. You don't have anything positive to say about any thing I do. And I think it's because you have been trying your hardest to find a women in the last few years here in the international dating arena & if I am correct you admit blowing it every time you try. I haven't read any success stories yet about your travels and it is probably because there is absolutely nothing going on in your venture.

My advice to you is to find a few women and write to them and if you are able, go see them. Maybe you are upset that you can't seem to get anything going on with some of these women. But Sitting home telling me about my psycological mind and how I have problems is not going to get you anywhere.

Why you think you are an EXPERT in my travels is beyond me?

Of course this is a forum and you are able to post whatever you want about me. The problem lies in you thinking that you are an expert in human behavior when you haven't even mastered your own life yet.

Do you take office visits in your clinic? Or do you teach this human behavior course at a University somewhere? lol

I will never worry about writing anything on this forum knowing you are reading it. Remember that. And I do know you read every thing I post even when you tell everyone you wouldn't waste your time on me.

So now that you have read what I said, maybe you should go on Elena's models and see if you can get some single women's attention in writing you back so you can tell her about herself. lol


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by Chrismc
Take this as you will RP, but it is probably the best thing that could happen. From what you have said about the Sumy women, I think I would be putting more emphasis on seeing her than Ms Odessa again.

I still see red flags everywhere with Ms Odessa, whereas the little we know about the Sumy lady tells me she is looking for a proper long term relationship and not just having a good time every few months when another guy turns up, this is the impression I get now of the Odessa lady.


I think the Sumy women will turn out to be a nice meeting. And yes it does seem like Miss Odessa keeps herself on the open market to meet a few guys when it is possible.

I am still going in 3 weeks to see her. But I will tell you that I need some things to happen on this next trip with her or I am ending it even if it is within the 1st 2 or 3 days of being there.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I would like to know if any of you have some knowledge of the messages said when you call someone's cell phone in the Ukraine?

I have been trying to call the Odessa girl for 5 days and instead of getting a ring I get a message that says" IN COMING CALL BARRED OPERATOR DETERMINED".

Do any of you know what that might mean?

I actually tried calling on a few different phones and I get the same message even if I use Skype or a normal land line or cell phone from here?

And the strangest thing is that when I have called her house in the last 5 days it rings and there is no one to answer it also.

ANY CLUES OR IDEAS, of course she might be avoiding me because she met someone she likes better, remember that 2 weeks ago she said the agency called her & told her that 2 men wanted to meet her, but I am leaving in 12 days to go there and if that is the case I sure would like to know now.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

It sounds like a block on your phone but if you called from different phones with different numbers then I would say this isn't correct ... unless she knows all your phone numbers (used to call her) then she could block all of them.

My fiancee says try for a week and if you don't hear from a girl then she doesn't want to talk to you for some reason.

Maybe she has a guy in town and doesn't want you to call?

Keep trying for another week or 2.


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
It sounds like a block on your phone but if you called from different phones with different numbers then I would say this isn't correct ... unless she knows all your phone numbers (used to call her) then she could block all of them.

My fiancee says try for a week and if you don't hear from a girl then she doesn't want to talk to you for some reason.

Maybe she has a guy in town and doesn't want you to call?

Keep trying for another week or 2.



I am supposed to leave in 9 days to go there.

I also used my friends cell phone today and called and got the same message

IN COMING CALL BARRED OPERATOR DETERMINED. And I never called her from his phone.


Posted by: BluesTraveler

Actually it sounds like she hasn't paid her mobile phone bill. I remember getting a similar message and then a few days later I asked about it, and was told -- there was no money on the card.

Did you try emailing her?


Posted by: Chillidog

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