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4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?

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Posted by: Seaview

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Originally Posted by shaun1000

Personally I would be surprised if she is a Virgin. But I wouldn`t wait until the wedding night to find out, but that`s down to my opinion and the above experience.


Virgin? It's not usual for a beautiful virgin to look for a husband on the web.

She behaves and looks like an experienced dater. It's neither good nor bad, just a simple fact.

It's normal that she doesn't want to have sex on the first date (visit). She just cannot have sex with all guys who come to see her. Guys suspect girls of being good time girls, girls suspect guys of sex tourist intentions. Both may be right.

She can even tell you she will have sex only after wedding just to show you she is not interested in casual sex. Every girl knows she can change this decision if a guy shows interest, affection and serious intentions during next visits. A sex tourist will dissapear immediately after "sex after marriage" info


Posted by: sidney

I would tell her you respect her decision on sex.
Maybe explain sex is important to you. Ask if she has any physical problems in regards to sex or having children if they are a planned part of your future. Everyone has different opinions on the topic and it is good to see where she stands.
Ask her if she is a virgin. If not if her other lovers were willing to be marriage material.
I had a GF that went thru the same you're going thru and it didn't work out. Your case I hope is different.
Sid


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I think you're over analyzing all of this. Don't try to read her mind or make up possible reasons she left early. Just take her at her word and enjoy the moment. You'll enjoy the time with her more if you do.

About the sex and virgin. Does it matter if she is a virgin? Would you drop her if she was a virgin? I don't see the benefit in asking this question unless you don't want to marry a virgin. Now the sex if a different thing but approch it from the having children angle and not if she likes/doesn't like it angle. Save this question until you talk on Skype or your next meeting.

Just relax, enjoy your time together, and get to know each other. It's a first date ... not a comittment.

Good luck!


Posted by: solstice

I think GTR has a good point about approaching the sex subject from a child bearing angle. Any other way might come off as looking for a hookup. Also as GTR says going along and enjoying the moments together can only lead her to trusting you now and in the future.


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
I think you're over analyzing all of this. Don't try to read her mind or make up possible reasons she left early. Just take her at her word and enjoy the moment. You'll enjoy the time with her more if you do.

About the sex and virgin. Does it matter if she is a virgin? Would you drop her if she was a virgin? I don't see the benefit in asking this question unless you don't want to marry a virgin. Now the sex if a different thing but approch it from the having children angle and not if she likes/doesn't like it angle. Save this question until you talk on Skype or your next meeting.

Just relax, enjoy your time together, and get to know each other. It's a first date ... not a comittment.

Good luck!



I don't care if she is a virgin or not. I would marry a virgin also so I don't care either way. It is a 1st date and it is still feeling good. She keeps bringing up things like "Next time you come we will go to Kiev, Next time you come we will do this together, etc

I know she wants me to come back. That's all ready established. She said tonight that the 2nd time I am here is a good indication of what will happen for us.

I agree especially after what I went thru with my ex. My 2nd meeting was not any where as good as my 1st with her. She was coming from another planet as far as I see it.

As far as the sex thing goes I'm not here for sex, I'm here to see if we can be good together for the rest of my living years on this planet. So the sex is not my focus. All though I feel confident in that when the time comes there will be fire.

My focus is how we get along and if I feel that there is mutual chemistry on both parts. I'm still happy how things are progressing. She told me she trusts me when we were having dinner.

Tomorrow I meet her mother and take them to dinner. I got her mom 2 beautiful plants yesterday and she loved them. I wanted to bring her flowers but my girl said better to get plants that don't die so my mom will always see the plant and think of you and know you gave it to her.

I'm enjoying the time, I just wish she wasn't sniffling & coughing.

Everything is still good. I feel good about it & if our 2nd meeting is like the 1st we will get closer and that is exactly what I want to happen.

If our 2nd meeting is anything like my trip in the summer to my ex I will really be surprised. But stranger things happen. So we will see.

EVERYTHING IS GOOD, 2 more days left!


Posted by: AkMike

Except for her being under the weather. It sounds good so far. Tell her to get well soon,from all of us!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
My girl is coming with her mother now. They will be here in 1 hour and I am taking us to eat lunch. I am looking forward to meeting her mom. I think it will be nice!


Posted by: royalpalace774

What a great day I had today with my girl. We went to eat at a great restaurant with her mom and we took alot of pictures of all of us together.

My girl really made me feel wonderful today with her mom. She was holding my hand at the dinner table with her mom next to us. And after we ate we walked a little and she would not let go pf me holding my arm while we walked with her mom in the city center.

We all went back to my apartment and watched tv and I showed her mom photos of my life and places I have been and of my friends. Her mom loved it. And my girl was just so happy today with all of us together. My girl was with me all day and into the night until she got a taxi home.

She is coming over early tomorrow so we can be together as long as possible before I leave Monday at 7am

And as usual she would say some things she wanted to do when I come back in April or may.

I am real happy right now and tomorrow is my last day here. This trip has been perfect. I really am happy how everything went.

So the next step is coming back in April and continuing our relationship. What more could I ask for. She looked at me tonight and said I am very happy you are here with me and I love our 1st week together, you have a great heart and you are a very good man.

Everything is good. She trusts me and she is happy. It looks good so far. She will have her internet working next week I hope and everyday we will be on Skype talking and seeing each other on cam until I come back for trip 2.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I left Odessa this morning at 7:00AM and I am now sitting in Istanbul with free internet connection incredibly.

I'm not going to sugar coat anything here and tell you that I think everything is 100% great and I will give you some reasons for it because things have popped up that I was not expecting and I really don't know what to think. But I will fill you in and let's see what you think.

Last night was our farewell dinner and it was great and romantic and the atmosphere was incredible. But even if you have all of that and you think everything is good other things come into play.

1. I found out from my girl about half way through our trip that she was supposed to get married to an American from Florida this month of Feb.

She had a visit from a guy in November . He stayed 2 weeks and for some crazy reason he asked her to marry him and she said yes I will marry you. The man was actually from Odessa and now lives in my city in Florida.

My girl thinking that she was going to get married went out and bought a dress and told her family and fiends she was getting married in Feb of 2008.

The man called her and told her that he couldn't come in Feb because he had some things come up. She decided to call it off becaue she now did not trust him at all.

HE told her he sent her a gift instead by a reputable service. She never received anything from him. She also said that he also gave her some chocolates but he took some out to eat before he gave them to her and then he gave her the box and he said here is a gift for you.

She thought that was pretty low that he ate some and then gave her the rest as a gift.

OK guys, this is where I am worried and concerned. I asked her why she made a life decision to marry this guy after only knowing him 2 weeks. Her answer was that she thought he was a very nice man and she thought that it was a good time in her life for this to happen. She also said that she was not in love with him but the man showed alot of attention and she thought that in time things would fall into place.

I said to her that I was really surprised that she would make such a life decision for marriage with a guy she has spent 14 days with and he shows signs of lying alot and gives her gifts that are used up and eaten by him.

I also told her that I refuse to be a rebound for her but I will be supportive. She told me that this situation hurt her very much even though she was not in love with him. I said to her that I hope what happened with him is not affecting how you perceive me. She said that we are not at all the same. She said she loves the way I am and my sense of humor and my personality. She said the other guy never laughed or smiled.

And then we got into the whole Prague thing again. She said she was tired of living in the Ukraine and she wanted to leave there. Again she asked me if I would relocate to Prague and start all over again. I told her 100% NO. It is impossible. I am established in my work where I live and I could never do it. She said than maybe you can visit me if I am there.

I then said to her that she needs to figure out what she wants to do with her life and the confusion she is feeling. She said I am not confused about you. I want you to come back in April for 2 weeks around April 10th for us to be together again. She said because of what happened with that other guy she wants to take it slow with me.

I told her that is fine with me because I also need to make sure that she is good for me. She said that she will not commit to me right now. I said to her I am OK with that 100%. I also said to her that I know she is a popular women on her website and she said that the website told her that her video gets more views than any video on the entire site.

I told her that I knew that all ready because she is attractive and very outgoing and friendly and always smiling. She said the last guy to visit her was in the summer and he was 60 years old and he had 5 kids and she is 30

She politely told him that it would not work for them. She never asked me if I am writing to any other women. So I did not tell her about the other women that I am planning to meet in summertime from Sumy. Another school techer for young children.

I have mixed feelings about my trip. I know for certain that we had a great time together even though she refused to let me give her a real kiss on my last day with her. I tried to kiss her at the perfect moment in my apt and she moved her face & said I am not ready yet. I need a little time. I told her in my kindest voice it is OK. She then said let's take some pictures of us in your apt o we have more pics of us together. She bought me a frame to put our photo in and she wants me to display it in my house.

I'm playing it very relaxed because I am not desperate and hungry. I just want to know from her what she will decide to do in the coming months. I also told her that I am a big boy and if she really makes up her mind to live in Prague I wish her all the happiness in the world but she must realize if she moves there I will never be able to marry you and live there.

She said she wishes there was a way for her to come to home and try and see what it is like without a K1. I told her impossible. And then I told her that if we decide to marry or be together I want to marry her in front of her mother in her city. She said to me that she knows I am a wonderful man and I have a herat of gold but what happened to her in the last few months with this guy who she was going to marry has hurt her.

I didn't want to make her feel any worse bu saying How can you marry a guy you don't love. I left it alone. She again said that she wants me here in April and she thinks our 2nd meeting will be a good indication of what will be.

I was joking with her and told her I hope when I see you the 2nd time in person you are still the same as now. She said why do you ask this. I told her that my 2nd meeting with my ex was like I was meeting someone that I did not know. I told her that I felt it from the minute I said hello to my ex that something was a little weird. Bit I just was not 100% sure.

She said she knows she will be exactly the same. I said OK , that's good.

I gave her money to star up her internet connection so we can talk on Skype and see each other on cam. She said she will go today to get it. She told me her mom did not like the guy she was going to marry at all from day one. And then she said her mom adores me and thinks I am wonderful and also told her she will never find better. That made me feel good of course. But it is not her mom I need to make a decision. She lives with her mom and she wants to move away from her even though she loves her dearly.

So all I can say is that I am going back and we will see what happens. She wants the same things as me, She said she wants 2 or 3 kids. I said great with me as long as I have a wife that loves me and we have real love.

I have a feeling that she could possibly in the next few months call me to tell me she is moving to Prague top star a new life by herself. HEr friend lives there so she has 1 friend so far.

I don't know what to say. I'm not getting myself excited and happy yet. I know deep in my heart that she respects me and knows that we can have a wonderful life together. But I refuse to pressure her and get my hopes up for something that can fall apart before I make my next trip in April.

She wil have to pick Prague or Me at some point. Whatever the outcome I will be fine. I really loved being with her and she has looked me straight in the eye and said I love when we are together, you always make me smile, laugh and feel great.

WE WILL SEE!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I left Odessa this morning at 7:00AM and I am now sitting in Istanbul with free internet connection incredibly.

I'm not going to sugar coat anything here and tell you that I think everything is 100% great and I will give you some reasons for it because things have popped up that I was not expecting and I really don't know what to think. But I will fill you in and let's see what you think.

Last night was our farewell dinner and it was great and romantic and the atmosphere was incredible. But even if you have all of that and you think everything is good other things come into play.

1. I found out from my girl about half way through our trip that she was supposed to get married to an American from Florida this month of Feb.

She had a visit from a guy in November . He stayed 2 weeks and for some crazy reason he asked her to marry him and she said yes I will marry you. The man was actually from Odessa and now lives in my city in Florida.

My girl thinking that she was going to get married went out and bought a dress and told her family and fiends she was getting married in Feb of 2008.

The man called her and told her that he couldn't come in Feb because he had some things come up. She decided to call it off becaue she now did not trust him at all.

HE told her he sent her a gift instead by a reputable service. She never received anything from him. She also said that he also gave her some chocolates but he took some out to eat before he gave them to her and then he gave her the box and he said here is a gift for you.

She thought that was pretty low that he ate some and then gave her the rest as a gift.

OK guys, this is where I am worried and concerned. I asked her why she made a life decision to marry this guy after only knowing him 2 weeks. Her answer was that she thought he was a very nice man and she thought that it was a good time in her life for this to happen. She also said that she was not in love with him but the man showed alot of attention and she thought that in time things would fall into place.

I said to her that I was really surprised that she would make such a life decision for marriage with a guy she has spent 14 days with and he shows signs of lying alot and gives her gifts that are used up and eaten by him.

I also told her that I refuse to be a rebound for her but I will be supportive. She told me that this situation hurt her very much even though she was not in love with him. I said to her that I hope what happened with him is not affecting how you perceive me. She said that we are not at all the same. She said she loves the way I am and my sense of humor and my personality. She said the other guy never laughed or smiled.

And then we got into the whole Prague thing again. She said she was tired of living in the Ukraine and she wanted to leave there. Again she asked me if I would relocate to Prague and start all over again. I told her 100% NO. It is impossible. I am established in my work where I live and I could never do it. She said than maybe you can visit me if I am there.

I then said to her that she needs to figure out what she wants to do with her life and the confusion she is feeling. She said I am not confused about you. I want you to come back in April for 2 weeks around April 10th for us to be together again. She said because of what happened with that other guy she wants to take it slow with me.

I told her that is fine with me because I also need to make sure that she is good for me. She said that she will not commit to me right now. I said to her I am OK with that 100%. I also said to her that I know she is a popular women on her website and she said that the website told her that her video gets more views than any video on the entire site.

I told her that I knew that all ready because she is attractive and very outgoing and friendly and always smiling. She said the last guy to visit her was in the summer and he was 60 years old and he had 5 kids and she is 30

She politely told him that it would not work for them. She never asked me if I am writing to any other women. So I did not tell her about the other women that I am planning to meet in summertime from Sumy. Another school techer for young children.

I have mixed feelings about my trip. I know for certain that we had a great time together even though she refused to let me give her a real kiss on my last day with her. I tried to kiss her at the perfect moment in my apt and she moved her face & said I am not ready yet. I need a little time. I told her in my kindest voice it is OK. She then said let's take some pictures of us in your apt o we have more pics of us together. She bought me a frame to put our photo in and she wants me to display it in my house.

I'm playing it very relaxed because I am not desperate and hungry. I just want to know from her what she will decide to do in the coming months. I also told her that I am a big boy and if she really makes up her mind to live in Prague I wish her all the happiness in the world but she must realize if she moves there I will never be able to marry you and live there.

She said she wishes there was a way for her to come to home and try and see what it is like without a K1. I told her impossible. And then I told her that if we decide to marry or be together I want to marry her in front of her mother in her city. She said to me that she knows I am a wonderful man and I have a herat of gold but what happened to her in the last few months with this guy who she was going to marry has hurt her.

I didn't want to make her feel any worse bu saying How can you marry a guy you don't love. I left it alone. She again said that she wants me here in April and she thinks our 2nd meeting will be a good indication of what will be.

I was joking with her and told her I hope when I see you the 2nd time in person you are still the same as now. She said why do you ask this. I told her that my 2nd meeting with my ex was like I was meeting someone that I did not know. I told her that I felt it from the minute I said hello to my ex that something was a little weird. Bit I just was not 100% sure.

She said she knows she will be exactly the same. I said OK , that's good.

I gave her money to star up her internet connection so we can talk on Skype and see each other on cam. She said she will go today to get it. She told me her mom did not like the guy she was going to marry at all from day one. And then she said her mom adores me and thinks I am wonderful and also told her she will never find better. That made me feel good of course. But it is not her mom I need to make a decision. She lives with her mom and she wants to move away from her even though she loves her dearly.

So all I can say is that I am going back and we will see what happens. She wants the same things as me, She said she wants 2 or 3 kids. I said great with me as long as I have a wife that loves me and we have real love.

I have a feeling that she could possibly in the next few months call me to tell me she is moving to Prague top star a new life by herself. HEr friend lives there so she has 1 friend so far.

I don't know what to say. I'm not getting myself excited and happy yet. I know deep in my heart that she respects me and knows that we can have a wonderful life together. But I refuse to pressure her and get my hopes up for something that can fall apart before I make my next trip in April.

She will have to pick Prague or Me at some point. Or something else. If can sya comfortably that if her mother did have a decision I would be a winner without a doubt. She treated me so good I cant even explain the warmth in words.

Whatever the outcome I will be fine. I really loved being with her and she has looked me straight in the eye and said I love when we are together, you always make me smile, laugh and feel great.

WE WILL SEE!


Posted by: BluesTraveler

RP: She is a little confused right now. Not being mean or anything, but she needs to clear some things up in her head. It sounds like she agreed to marry the other man in order to leave Ukraine. And at the first opportunity would have dumped him.

I would keep talking to her, but at the same time I think I would not close any doors or windows.


Posted by: bushman

RP, as BluesTraveler said keep this one ticking along slowly and give her lots of time. She does need to move on in her life and decide what she wants. Personally I would be looking for a bit more commitment.

Sounds as though it was a good trip though


Posted by: GoingToRussia

This girl doesn't know what she wants. She needs to make a decision and stick to it. If she can't do this, I wouldn't waste my time.

Talk to her on Skype and see what she says but at this point she sounds just like my ex.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I'm in New York now waiting for my flight home. It's delayed 3 hours so I bought a day pass on the internet for my laptop.

My plan is that I will go again to see her April 10th for about 2 weeks. If at the end of that trip she doesn't give some type of commitment I will drop her or give it one more trip in summer

She is a great girl but it worries me about the decisions she made about that guy. I asked her why would you marry that guy after a 2 week meeting and you admit to me you have no love for him whatsoever.

It's a little scary I have to say. I refuse to be her way out of the Ukraine unless she really has feelings for me. But now the question is how will I ever know for sure. These women can act like they are into you and not care a bit. I have been through it twice before.

I can tell you this. There were a few times where I think she might have been testing me to see just how desperate I might be to be with her because she knows she is attractive and a nice bubbly personality.

When she said to me is it possible If I could work and live in Prague I flat out told her NO WAY. I also told her that the only way I will be with her is if she is 100% sure she wants to spend the rest of her life with me and start a family.

I told her I refuse to have it any other way. I also told her if she decides she wants to move to Prague I give her my blessing but she must realize she will not have me.

She says to me can't you even visit me if I live in Prague. I said for what reason would I want to just visit you? I came here to see if we could be together for a lifetime, not a week or 2 every 6 months. If you want to be with me we have to live where I work and make a living without any problems. I can't start over in another country. I told her all of this in caring soft conversation. I never talked to her aggressively in my tone of voice.

I think she is sick of Odessa. I went with her on some buss rides during the week. I can't tell you how worn down this city is when you leave the city center around Derabosovskaya Street. It looks like it was bombed and just left alone. Dirty and worn out and terrible lighting at night.

I think I would kill myself if I had to live there. I am so thankfull for where I live when I look at other places.

Anyway, I don't know what will happen except I will give it another trip to see her. I had a great time with her but for some reason I am feeling like she is trying her best to get to live in Prague. And is this even possible for her to do.

She said to me that maybe it will be easier for her to come to Florida because she will have a Prague residency. I told her that I highly doubt that her living in Prague as a Ukraine citizen with a Ukraine passport will help at all.

I am getting the feeling that she just wants out of Odessa. When I told her it would take her about 8-11 months to get to Florida on a k1 I think she freaked. I think she freaked because she thinks that is a very long time and I personally think she is ready to get out of there NOW.

I think my 2nd trip to her is going to be the one that says it all. And I refuse to get played in this also. I have another women I am writing to and a trip planned for the summer to see her. I am not hungry and desperate.

At one point we were walking a few days ago and she just kept rattling on about Prague. I said to her why don't you just pack your things and move to Prage and stop talking about it. If you want to go just go. I said to her I was tired of hearing about it. I told her if I knew she was most likely going to move to Prague and had no intentions of coming to Florida to me if we were good together, I would never have come to visit her.

It's crazy but I think these Russian women like it in some way when you tell them you are not desperate to be with them. And the truth is, I 'm not. I just don't want to waste my time if she knows it will go nowhere. But then again she probably thinks I will come again with some more gifts and she has nothing to loose.

SHe told me she needs some time. And as far as I am concerned. If she was going to marry that guy just to get out of the Ukraine and did not love him , she got back what she deserved.

If she tried to play him, her karma turned it around on her and she got what she deserved.

The last thing I want is to be at the alter with a women who is there for a different reason.

I don't know what to say. All she says is that she needs a little time to get over what happened to her and I said to her what do you have to get over if you never loved him in the 1st place. Why are you hurting if you didn't love him. Are you in pain because you are still stuck in the Ukraine?

Who knows. I also told her that if I buy plane tickets to see her in the next few weeks to come back April 10th and she then tells me she is going to Prague to live I will be done with us. She said she promises to be in Odessa when I come.

Even with all of this we still had a great time together. I think it will come down to what her decision will be on the next trip or if I come back to see her in the summer.

It's just too bad that I might have to be very cautious on the 2nd trip. I want to be relaxed but I am sure I will be wondering what is her plan .

And at some point I will tell her she needs to tell me if she is with me or not.

I want this to work out for us to be together but only if she commits to it 100%.

I have no problem letting her go and I think for some crazy reason that is making me more valuable to her. Kind of the " YOU ALWAYS WANT WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE thing"

I don't say to her please don't go to Prague, Please try and see that we are good together.

No way am I doing any of that. Because I am not going to have it any way except the right way. I will give it to the summer for a total commitment from her. If she says no commitment I say goodbye and I give you my blessing.

Maybe it will turn out ok. If it does then great. If it doesn't then great also. She said I am her favorite guy to ever visit her. She said she feels like we have been together for a while even without any kissing or physical contact.

I respect her and I didn't force myself on her when she did not want to let me kiss her on my last day with her. I did not get angry either. I was very cool and said it's ok. When you are ready is when it will be.

So I guess I will talk to her tomorrow night.


Posted by: deccie

Yet again I am going to disagree with GTR.

RP, you are lucky. It seems she is being honest with you about how she feels.

Given her situation and previous dashed hopes it seems to me her feelings and doubts ar eperfectly normal.

I also don't find it unusual she is looking at less scary options than moving to the USA.

RP, I am going to say if you decide to proceed with this you are going to have to work some to win the trust of this lady based on what has happened to her.

I also would point out it is not unknown for a FSU woman to marry a man and not love him at the time. For confirmation of this read "How to survive an International Marriage" by Oksana Leslie.

You've only had one trip to meet RP. I would say slow down, go meet a few more times and do your best to win each other's hearts and trust.


Posted by: Spakoyna

LOL! Well, I have to disagree with Deccie! My gut feeling is this woman is a player. She is looking for the best she can get.....money,looks,lifestyle,etc. Feelings for her partner do not seem to be an issue. I couldn't imagine a woman who strung a man out til a visa was issued. That says it all to me. RP, I hope I am wrong but I think another trip is a waste a time. Best case senario is it doesn't work...worse case is she comes and you become a stepping sone. I base my opinion upon what she has said to you. How can it be it is such a disaster to her when she decided he was not right? That just doesn't sit well with me. Azdarozna!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spakoyna
LOL! Well, I have to disagree with Deccie! My gut feeling is this woman is a player. She is looking for the best she can get.....money,looks,lifestyle,etc. Feelings for her partner do not seem to be an issue. I couldn't imagine a woman who strung a man out til a visa was issued. That says it all to me. RP, I hope I am wrong but I think another trip is a waste a time. Best case senario is it doesn't work...worse case is she comes and you become a stepping sone. I base my opinion upon what she has said to you. How can it be it is such a disaster to her when she decided he was not right? That just doesn't sit well with me. Azdarozna!



Hi Spakoyna,
I don't know if you understand the story I told about her & the guy she was going to marry. So I will tell you. A Ukraine man who lives in Florida went to visit her in November 2007 for 2 weeks. After the 2 weeks he asked her to marry him and she said yes. They decided that they will get married in Febuary of 2008. He told her that he would come back Christmas time in Dec to be with her again. HE then called her & said the plane tickets were too much for him to come in December. HE also told her he owned his own business and money was no problem. HE then told her not to worry about him not coming in December because he was going to marry her in Feb of 2008.

He calls her in the last few weeks of Jan and tells her that he can not come in Feb to marry her and he needs a few months more because he has some business things to take care of. She has all ready went out and bought a wedding dress that she spent $500.00 and she has told everyone of her friends that she is getting married in Feb.

He calls her and tells her that he can probably come in March to marry her. She then tells him she is finished with him and to leave her alone and stop calling her.

When I was with her a few days ago her mother called her while she was with me and told her that the guy called her house and her mother told him to stop calling there. Her mother told him that they were finished and her daughter does not want to have anything to do with him.

This is the story from what I have been told from her. She also thinks that he might be lying about himself in many ways. Such as he told her that he has many businesses and he owns many properties. She said how can he have a problem buying a plane ticket to come for Christmas if he is such a successful business man. She said she thinks he might even be seeing more women. But she is not sure. The crazy thing is that this man lives in my city and he is a Ukraine man who left Ukraine 15 years ago.

I just got home an hour ago and I called her to tell her I made it home safe. She sounded excited to hear from me. I asked her when is a good time to call her back today after I wake up? She told me I can call her anytime I want and it doesn't matter because she is not working today.

I know I will hear some of you say to dump her now and some will say she is on the level.

I just wanted to get her story clear about what happened with the other guy. She said that the guy made her out to look stupid.

I personally feel that she might have a trust issue now . But I asked her if she trusts me and her answer was "I TRUST YOU 100% AND SO DOES MY MOTHER." She told me her mother told her that she likes me very much and she told her that her mother said you are never going to find a man like this one , he has a heart of gold and he will be a great father to your children.

So we will see!

I am going again to see her. I also think that is enough time for her to think about our time together in our 1st meeting and time for her to get over her last situation of not getting married and her feeling like a complete fool.

Spak, I don't know how you mean stepping stone. Are you saying maybe she will use me for a green card. Who knows. But I think she is a good girl. I am just a little worried that she agreed to marry a guy after seeing him for 2 weeks and she admits she was not in love with him. It is a little weird for me to think why she would be so eager to marry that guy.


I'm going back in April and we will see.

Also Spak, if by chance I do marry her I am quite sure I will have her pregnant with a child or 2 before the 3 years of waiting for the green card are up. She has to live in the U.S for 3 years before she can get her green card.


None of us know what is going to happen here, all I can do is go back and see what it will be. We don't have a commitment to each other at this moment but I also am still writing and planning a meeting in the summer with another women who is a kindergarten teacher.

I had a great time on this trip with this girl. She always was happy and in a good mood. She told me about her last situation and she did not have to tell me anything. I think that says a little about her being upfront.

She was basically left at the alter waiting for a guy that she might have settled on until I came along.

She said she is incredibly happy when we are together and she never ever let go of my arm when we walked in the streets together. Not one day went by where she did not immediately grab my arm and hold on to me until we got to our destination. And this was from the day I got there. She always sat very close to me when we were at a table in a restaurant. I think her body language was into me but as she said she just needs a little time.

Hopefully on my next trip she will be on fire with me. We will see!


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Also Spak, if by chance I do marry her I am quite sure I will have her pregnant with a child or 2 before the 3 years of waiting for the green card are up. She has to live in the U.S for 3 years before she can get her green card.


RP,
Unless things have changed since we went thru it,(and I haven't heard of it) she'll have a green card and a SSN within a couple of weeks of getting here if you marry her there.But it could have been because of the CR-1 visa we did.
Tanya had both her cards in about 10 days of going thru customs and immigration.


Go slow and make sure she's'The One!'.


Posted by: blucatz

What I don't get RP, is while all this is going on back and forth between the other man and your lady, she is corresponding with you and making plans with you to meet in Ukraine. If she is supposed to be married in Feb 08, why is she meeting you in Feb 08? Something about the timing of her story does not make sense to me. You have been talking to her for a little while now, at the same time she was still under the impression she was still getting married, sounds fishy to me. You don't go from supposedly getting married one day to instantly back on the market the next day if she is hurting as bad as she says she is. Sounds like a GCG to me who is desparate to get out of Odessa and wants to keep you on the back burner in case some faster way out comes around.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
What I don't get RP, is while all this is going on back and forth between the other man and your lady, she is corresponding with you and making plans with you to meet in Ukraine. If she is supposed to be married in Feb 08, why is she meeting you in Feb 08? Something about the timing of her story does not make sense to me. You have been talking to her for a little while now, at the same time she was still under the impression she was still getting married, sounds fishy to me. You don't go from supposedly getting married one day to instantly back on the market the next day if she is hurting as bad as she says she is. Sounds like a GCG to me who is desparate to get out of Odessa and wants to keep you on the back burner in case some faster way out comes around.



Blucatz, YOUR analysis does not make sense. A true GCG would not be as open as this lady has been to RP. A true GcG avoids confontation at all costs to get to the wedding and GET ON THAT PLANE! As I see it she is being open and honest about her feelings - which might not be all as RP would like.

How can she be a GcG if she doesn't REALLY want to go to the USA?

Many men on these forums plan to see many ladies until they make up their mind and propose. Do you really think the women don't think of the same approach when they have lots of undesirables and keyboard romeos to contend with? Until RP actually visted he was a MIGHT BE candidate. No women owe anyone exclusivity until an actual relationship has been formed.

I don't see any issues here apart from both of them deciding they are really INTO each other and forming a normal relationship with compatible goals and ideas about life.

Of course the relationship may still fail for a lot of reasons. I really hope for RP and his lady it works out ok.

RP, my advise for you for the moment would be to enjoy the relationship as much as possible. Don't be alarmed until she gives you cause to be. misunderstanding can be as deadly to a relationship as any deception by either party.

I really hope it works for you RP!


Posted by: deccie

If RP wants to really find out if she is a GcG he always has the option of asking her how she feels about him moving there for a while.

This removes the Green card as a prize.

Of course, if she is being real and actually likes the ide of him moving there.. he then has to explain later why he doesn't actually want to go through with living there.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
If RP wants to really find out if she is a GcG he always has the option of asking her how she feels about him moving there for a while.

This removes the Green card as a prize.

Of course, if she is being real and actually likes the ide of him moving there.. he then has to explain later why he doesn't actually want to go through with living there.



She has asked me at least 4 or 5 times is it possible for me to live and work in Prague to be with her and stay there. She asked me if I can move there to be with her and I told her I can not do this! She never said she is sure she would ot come to Florida. She has asked me many times if I can live in Prague & do my work there.

She does not want to live in Ukraine. She wants a change. She is comfortable in Prague because she has a girlfriend there. But she said she is willing to come to Florida if our next meeting is like our 1st meeting. She always talks about where we will go on our next meeting and also where we can go in the summer time together. The only place we will go in April will be Kiev or Crimea or some other place close.

In the summer she wants us to go to possibly Egypt or Prague.

Also remember , I have made it very clear to her that I will not be with her unless she is 100% certain she is sure about us and a future of a family and true love together. I told her that I don't want to do a K1 with her. I told her after a few more visits we will both have to make a decision on our relationship together. I told her that if she is going to Prague , good luck and I wish you the best.

I also told her I will not ever marry her unless she is 100% certain we are starting a family together and she is certain that she wants to spend the rest of her life with me.

She also said to me that she knows that she is ready now to start a family with children and she wants this with the right man. Like deccie said, she was probably feeling insecure about the other guy because he told her he was coming back for a 2nd time and then told her her that the plane tickets cost to much. Remember , this is supposed to be a successful business man telling his women he can't afford a plane ticket to be with her on Christmas.

So of course she sees a red flag with him and now I come into the picture and I write my 1st letter to her. She writes back to me and I tell her I will visit her . It only took me 8 weeks to go visit her from my 1st letter that I wrote her. How much more serious could that be. Most guys take 6 or more months to make a trip to a women. I did it within 8 or 9 weeks.


Also AKMIKE, I have asked my attorney about the time frame for my ex coming here and marrying me. If this women & I marry , she must live in the U.S. for a full 3 years before she can get a green card. This was told to me by my immagration laywer who handled my k1 with my ex and myself.

I will ask her if this law has changed , but I am confident that it is still the same.

Also my 1st letter that I ever wrote to this girl was December 9th 2007 and her 1st reply to me was Dec 13 2008.

I think this could maybe have been a period where the other man told her that he could not come to see her during Christmas. And also her letter to me was her very 1st letter to me.


Posted by: Chrismc

RP

Why don't you call the agency owner you know and see what she can tell you, get her to call your lady for an informal chat and see what comes out. Tell the agency owner you really like this lady and wanted to know if she gave her any feedback after your trip.

If you know hear really well, and can trust her, ask her if she knows about the proposed marriage to the other guy. See what you can find out.

On the one hand she is being very honest in telling you about him, but on the other hand I too don't understand why she is writing to other guys when she so committed to one and is so far into a relatinship that she is going to marry him, that does not wash for me, sure she may not have loved him and is keeping her options open, hedging her bets if you like, but something does not ring true with that story to me.

I think if I was in your boat and knew someone over there so well like you do, the agency owner and your waiter friend I would do a bit of research and try and find out what I could about it on the quiet, there is nothing wrong with that, even the agency owner knows your intentions are honourable.

Just my 2 Kopecks!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

The timeframe for getting a green card use to be 6 - 12 months. With the visa backlog they have now, I would guess 9 - 15 months. Getting married in the FSU would speed the green card process along to maybe 6 months max.


Posted by: blucatz

OK, Green Card Grabber was the wrong term, I guess what I was trying to come across was that she seems willing to do anything to get out of Ukraine. Agreeing to marry someone within 2 weeks, and during this so called engagement is writing letters to you, cmon, do you honestly think that in Dec 2007 when you first received your letter from her that it was 100% over with the other man? The time frame does not match up. Going by what you have posted, it just seems she is trying to find a way out of Ukraine the fastest way possible on someone elses dime. If she really wanted to go to Prague (I don't know what the attraction of Prague is) she would have gone by now.

You really need to take this one really slow RP, you have been burnt before, You know that "Been there, done that" thing. If she is as popular on the dating site as you say, maybe she is waiting for the first man to come along and wisk her away. I would hate to see you get burnt a 3rd time. Watch your back on this one, something doesn't seem right.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
OK, Green Card Grabber was the wrong term, I guess what I was trying to come across was that she seems willing to do anything to get out of Ukraine. Agreeing to marry someone within 2 weeks, and during this so called engagement is writing letters to you, cmon, do you honestly think that in Dec 2007 when you first received your letter from her that it was 100% over with the other man? The time frame does not match up. Going by what you have posted, it just seems she is trying to find a way out of Ukraine the fastest way possible on someone elses dime. If she really wanted to go to Prague (I don't know what the attraction of Prague is) she would have gone by now.

You really need to take this one really slow RP, you have been burnt before, You know that "Been there, done that" thing. If she is as popular on the dating site as you say, maybe she is waiting for the first man to come along and wisk her away. I would hate to see you get burnt a 3rd time. Watch your back on this one, something doesn't seem right.


Thanks for your concern blucatz,
I am taking it slow for sure on this one. I am also wondering about why she would marry a guy after a 14 day meeting. I have to give her one thing that I think is positive.

She told me about it and she didn't have to tell me. I do remember asking her why her profile did not say she was busy or engaged. She said the guy told her to make her profile say she was busy but she told him she would only do it after his 2nd meeting to see her. HE never came to see her so this is why I wrote to her. She was free & clear. She wanted to see if the guy really would show up a 2nd time he made numerous excuses not to come.

How can he say he thinks the plane ticket cost to much when he tells her he is a business man and he owns properties.

I think she was uncertain with him also. She needed to see how serious he was by coming back for Christmas and he didn't come.

She said she would have put "BUSY" o her profile if he showed up in December for Christmas.

Also remember that she has a best friend in Prague . The friend used to live in Odessa and got married and had a child with an Odessa man.

She talked about Prague alot even to my waiter friend. She asked my friends opinion about her moving to Prague and getting a job there. He told her she is waisting her time in Prague and finding a job there is not so easy and the pay is not so great either. And she can't go anywhere like an American can.

I asked my girl what is her love for Prague so much. She said it is beautiful there and the Ukraine is dirty & ugly looking. And she has been there. She said she knows Florida is paradise but she has never been there.

As far as her popularity on the dating site goes I asked her when the last time someone came to meet her. She said it was the guy she was going to marry and before that there was a 60 year old guy in the summertime. She told the 60 year old immediately that it was not going to work with him.

I don't think it was over in December with the other guy. What I personally think is that the guy showed signs of being a flake and not coming thru on the things he said he would do. He told her he was 100% coming to see her in December for Christmas and then called her & said he thinks the plane tickets cost to much. HE gave her chocolates in a box for a gift and took some chocolate out for himself before he gave it to her.


He told her he couldn't marry her in Feb because he had some business to do. He called her less than before also.

I also know that this is what she is telling me.

I just did what Chrismc suggested. I sent an email to my manager friend from the agency that my girl is on. I asked her to see if there was anything she could tell me regarding my meeting with my girl last week. I ordered flowers for Valentines day thru the agaency so my girl will have to go pick them up at the office where the manager is. Maybe then the manager will find out somethings or maybe she feels she should mind her own business.

I don't know if she will talk with her but I think it is more possible than not.

We will see!. I'm fine. I'm not jumping up & down thinking this is a done deal. If it works out, GREAT. If not, I go and meet the next one.

If my 2nd meeting with her is great and she tells me she is happy with me I am going to tell her to put "BUSY" on her profile. If she does not do this I am telling her that we are done. I need a sign that she is legit if she tells me she wants us to work out. I told her that I am looking for a partner for life not a casual 4 month date.


Posted by: blucatz

That is a good mindset to go into this with. I personally would like a definate commitment from her after the second visit, actually after the first visit, but that is just me. I will be meeting my lady for the fist time in May after 6 months of correspondence, we have kind of a commitment now but nothing cut in stone. But if it goes well in May, I personally want a definate committment from her before I move on. Like you, I am not here to play games or have a long term date, not getting any younger here.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
That is a good mindset to go into this with. I personally would like a definate commitment from her after the second visit, actually after the first visit, but that is just me. I will be meeting my lady for the fist time in May after 6 months of correspondence, we have kind of a commitment now but nothing cut in stone. But if it goes well in May, I personally want a definate committment from her before I move on. Like you, I am not here to play games or have a long term date, not getting any younger here.


The one thing that I have learned here is that these women are strong and you can't come off needy to them. Maybe you will have great chemistry & maybe you won't. I just know that you must be face to face to know anything in this game.

Also know blucatz that even though you have been talking with your girl for 6 months it could go bad in a day or 2 of meeting her. My 1st meeting last october was with a girl I talked to every single day for 6 months. When I met her I was sure on the 2nd day that she was not for me. But I had her still stick around because I was not prepared with a backup plan and I was a little afraid being in a foreign country & not speaking the language.

Now I can go there with 100% confidence and enjoy it. I know my way around the city center of Odessa like I live there. It's great. I could never live there but I sure like visiting.

My advice to you is to not demand a commitment on your 1st trip. I think a 2nd or 3rd time together is going to tell you both what's up.

I will have to have a solid commitment by my 3rd trip or I am done. She needs to put BUSY on her profile also.


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
The one thing that I have learned here is that these women are strong and you can't come off needy to them. Maybe you will have great chemistry & maybe you won't. I just know that you must be face to face to know anything in this game.

Also know blucatz that even though you have been talking with your girl for 6 months it could go bad in a day or 2 of meeting her. My 1st meeting last october was with a girl I talked to every single day for 6 months. When I met her I was sure on the 2nd day that she was not for me. But I had her still stick around because I was not prepared with a backup plan and I was a little afraid being in a foreign country & not speaking the language.

Now I can go there with 100% confidence and enjoy it. I know my way around the city center of Odessa like I live there. It's great. I could never live there but I sure like visiting.

My advice to you is to not demand a commitment on your 1st trip. I think a 2nd or 3rd time together is going to tell you both what's up.

I will have to have a solid commitment by my 3rd trip or I am done. She needs to put BUSY on her profile also.

Thats why our first meeting is in Cairo. If it goes south in the beginning, I will still be in a place for a great vacation with plenty of English speaking people and lots of things to do. I am not going to demand a commitment, ie. like an engagement or anything like that, but there had better be some strong indications of one for me to waste anymore time and effort.

We already had one misunderstanding on who was paying for what. Our first plans were to meet in Costa Rica until she found out how much it was gonna cost her to fly there. She thought I was gonna pop up at the last minute and pay for her flight, she said it was customary for the man to pay. I had to educate her on my way of thinking. Told her I wouldn't even pay for the woman's ticket even if she was from my home state if we had not met yet. So we compromised on Cairo, she said she could afford to go there and I always wanted to see the pyramids anyway. She is happy with that and all is right with the world once again....LOL


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
Thats why our first meeting is in Cairo. If it goes south in the beginning, I will still be in a place for a great vacation with plenty of English speaking people and lots of things to do. I am not going to demand a commitment, ie. like an engagement or anything like that, but there had better be some strong indications of one for me to waste anymore time and effort.

We already had one misunderstanding on who was paying for what. Our first plans were to meet in Costa Rica until she found out how much it was gonna cost her to fly there. She thought I was gonna pop up at the last minute and pay for her flight, she said it was customary for the man to pay. I had to educate her on my way of thinking. Told her I wouldn't even pay for the woman's ticket even if she was from my home state if we had not met yet. So we compromised on Cairo, she said she could afford to go there and I always wanted to see the pyramids anyway. She is happy with that and all is right with the world once again....LOL



Why are you not meeting in her city where she lives so you can meet her family and some of her friends ?


Posted by: blucatz

For me its easier to go to Cairo, allot less headaches to start with. If all goes well there, then I will go to Omsk to see her side of the world. I don't want to go thru the BS of getting the visa, finding the place to stay, the much larger expense on basically a "chance". I would personally like some type of committment from the other side for this first meeting, that cuts out all good time girls, GCG, and BS artists and leaves only the serious ones. It would be different if she was from Ukraine where its allot easier and cheaper to travel to. I work hard for every dollar I have and I don't like to throw it away on chance.

Besides, she also wants to be sure we will work out before she introduces me to her family and her daughter. No sense in going thru all that to have it not work out. I don't want to be stuck in Omsk if it does not work after 2 days, you have been in that situation before, I just don't want to be in the same one.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz

You really need to take this one really slow RP, you have been burnt before, You know that "Been there, done that" thing. If she is as popular on the dating site as you say, maybe she is waiting for the first man to come along and wisk her away. I would hate to see you get burnt a 3rd time.



Now that sentiment I can agree with 100%.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
For me its easier to go to Cairo, allot less headaches to start with. If all goes well there, then I will go to Omsk to see her side of the world. I don't want to go thru the BS of getting the visa, finding the place to stay, the much larger expense on basically a "chance". I would personally like some type of committment from the other side for this first meeting, that cuts out all good time girls, GCG, and BS artists and leaves only the serious ones. It would be different if she was from Ukraine where its allot easier and cheaper to travel to. I work hard for every dollar I have and I don't like to throw it away on chance.


You'll need to watch out for the GtG's then. (-;


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
You'll need to watch out for the GtG's then. (-;

Thats why I do it this way, they pay for their own way there so there is some kind of committment on their part. I won't pay for everything the first time out. It shows me that they are serious when they are willing to commit some of their hard earned money to this adventure like me. All she has to do is get her self there, I will take care of the rest, I don't think that is too much to ask. If you meet someone here in the US on the internet, you don't pay their way to meet you, they take care of it, I see no difference.

I know some of you are thinking "They don't have much money over there", the woman I am talking about probably makes as much as I do. She is definately not a GtG.


Posted by: Pin Boy

good discussion, but let's not go too far off the thread topic. there's a thread entitled cairo? that's active. thanks

pb


Posted by: royalpalace774

Today I called my girl at 8:00 pm Ukraine time and she answered the phone and within 1 minute she told me that she missed me. Then her mother got on the phone and said in English Hello are you ok. I told her I was ok and she said harasho.

I thought that was nice. My girl said she got used to me being with her and it feels empty now that I am not with her. She said she is counting the days till I come back and then she did the usual and started joking with me and we laughed. She is always laughing and smiling. Not like all the serious looking people that you see there everyday. I like that she is bubbly and not stiff!


Posted by: BluesTraveler

Something I was thinking about...
They say there are three sides to every story, his, hers, and the truth. It does seem like she is very dedicated to moving to Prague. You talked about with her several times, and your waiter friend commented on it.

Could it be that the other guy who was supposed to marry her decided to stop not becuase of lame excuses like plane tickets, but because of the Prague issue. Maybe she kept on pushing the issue and said she was going to move there, and wanted him to move there too? I don't want to create issues where there isn't one. Maybe the guy was truthful, maybe he was a complete liar, but there is really no way to know why he didn't return to Ukraine.

If she really wants to move there, she will find a way to do it. And she may not care who she hurts in the process. Caution is the key word with her. I still think she needs some time to determine what is important to her. What is more important, love or Prague?

If it was me, I would wouldn't mention Prague and see if she does. If a few weeks go by and neither one of you brings it up, casually mention it. "Are you still thinking about moving to Prague?" And then you will know where you stand with her. Is she serious about you, are you just a means to an end, or she still hasn't figured out what she wants.

Just my thoughts, but what do I know?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesTraveler
Something I was thinking about...
They say there are three sides to every story, his, hers, and the truth. It does seem like she is very dedicated to moving to Prague. You talked about with her several times, and your waiter friend commented on it.

Could it be that the other guy who was supposed to marry her decided to stop not becuase of lame excuses like plane tickets, but because of the Prague issue. Maybe she kept on pushing the issue and said she was going to move there, and wanted him to move there too? I don't want to create issues where there isn't one. Maybe the guy was truthful, maybe he was a complete liar, but there is really no way to know why he didn't return to Ukraine.

If she really wants to move there, she will find a way to do it. And she may not care who she hurts in the process. Caution is the key word with her. I still think she needs some time to determine what is important to her. What is more important, love or Prague?

If it was me, I would wouldn't mention Prague and see if she does. If a few weeks go by and neither one of you brings it up, casually mention it. "Are you still thinking about moving to Prague?" And then you will know where you stand with her. Is she serious about you, are you just a means to an end, or she still hasn't figured out what she wants.

Just my thoughts, but what do I know?


Caution is right! And if she goes to Prague to live, then let her go. And while we are on the subject of caution I should mention something that happened today while I spoke to her.

When I left the Ukraine on Monday, the night before I left I gave her $100.00 for the sole purpose of installing her internet and paying for a few months in advance for high speed internet so we could start talking on Skype.

When I am on the phone with her today she said she had to tell me something that happened that was not good. I said what happened. She said a man came over her house today where she lives with her mom & was adjusting or fixing the curtains in the apartment they live in and the man dropped something on to her computer and broke her computer & her printer.

She then said she let the man take the computer to get an estimate of how much it will cost to fix it. I then thought to myself that she just might be waiting for me to say to her "DON'T WORRY , I WILL PAY FOR THE COMPUTER REPAIR SO YOU CAN STILL USE THE $100.00 I GAVE YOU FOR THE INTERNET INSTALLATION.

I didn't offer or say anything except. When will you know about your computer.

I find it rather strange that all of a sudden her computer is totally out of commission because some guy dropped something on it and also on her printer. I really don't believe it. But of course it could be true.

I can tell you this. I am not giving her money to fix her computer. I will tell her, if the man dropped something on it then get him to pay for it. If she says she can't get it from him, I will tell her then fix it with the money I gave you and I guess we will just talk on the phone instead of Skype.

I don't know. It just sound to fishy to happen right now just when I gave her the money to get the internet connected in her house. At least she didn't use the "MY MOTHER NEEDS MEDICAL ATTENTION AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE I CAN TURN TO line".

Hey, maybe she is telling me the truth. I don't know. I know I'm not giving her any money. I spent enough on her last week with all the eating out and a few gifts.

And if she goes to Prague then let her go. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see this one come thru. On my 2nd trip I will know if she is trying to test me or get some cash or if she wants me for life.

IF she is thinking that she can butter me up for some cash she is in for a surprise. Trip 2 is where I want to see her into me as much or more than my 1st trip with her. I just hope she is not planning a way to Prague. She doesn't have a nickel to her name. She has nice clothes and lives in a one room apt with her mom. She even told me her & her mom sleep in the same room or bed, I forget exactly which one.


We will see!


Posted by: BluesTraveler

Very bizarre indeed. But maybe it really happened. It should only take a day or two to the computer repaired; maybe 4 or 5 days. I have dropped plenty of things on computers and the worst thing that can happen is that the hard drive dies. Sure you lose all your data, and it sucks, but you can still get it repaired.

I am wondering if the next conversation is, it is really expensive to repair, or it is not worth it to repair - better to buy an new one, etc. I really hope you don't. Maybe the repair guy will get everything repaired.


Posted by: Spakoyna

RP! Don't look back! RUN,Run,run. I do not like the way things seem to be shaping up here. It is time for you to let her persue you if she is genuine. She has met you, and probably has the means to persue you if she wants to. Too many red flags for me. I don't think I would have lasted the whole trip you did if a lady was cold shouldered to me.

My wife and I were not intimate in any way the 1st 2 weeks we spent together. But I knew there was something there!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spakoyna
RP! Don't look back! RUN,Run,run. I do not like the way things seem to be shaping up here. It is time for you to let her persue you if she is genuine. She has met you, and probably has the means to persue you if she wants to. Too many red flags for me. I don't think I would have lasted the whole trip you did if a lady was cold shouldered to me.

My wife and I were not intimate in any way the 1st 2 weeks we spent together. But I knew there was something there!



She was never cold shouldered to me at all. She always took my arm walking down the street from day one. She sits on my lap when we are at my apartment.

It's the broken computer story that I find questionable. Just when I give her $100.00 to get her internet started for us to talk on Skype she needs to fix her computer. I just think for her computer to break now is an awkward time as I see it. Maybe she is expecting that I will offer he money to fix it after someone else broke it.


Posted by: Chrismc

RP

There seems to be one red flag after another cropping up here, but the more you try and analyse things the more possible problems you will find and the more worries you will have. I would speak to the agency owner again and get her take on this women and also your waiter friend as I suggested up thread, at least you have two people you can trust to give you an honest answer and opinion who know her.

The computer story does seem really far fetched, but who knows odder things have happened.

Chris


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
RP

There seems to be one red flag after another cropping up here, but the more you try and analyse things the more possible problems you will find and the more worries you will have. I would speak to the agency owner again and get her take on this women and also your waiter friend as I suggested up thread, at least you have two people you can trust to give you an honest answer and opinion who know her.

The computer story does seem really far fetched, but who knows odder things have happened.

Chris


I sent an email 2 days ago to the agency manager and I asked her to talk to my girl and ask her how she liked our meeting last week together. Today my girl will go to the agency & pick up 11 roses that I got her. The manager will be there and hopefully ask her how she feels about me and what her intentions are. The manager likes me & knows that I am serious about finding the right women for myself. So I think that she will want me to find the right girl and want the best for me.

I asked my waiter friend what his feeling was about seeing my girl with me. HE was with us at least 4 times and he honestly thinks that she is into me.

He told me that a few times during the week my girl told him that I am such a kind warm person. She told him that she felt instantly comfortable from the
1st second we met. She told him that she wants to take it slow & not rush into a commitment so fast and she also wants to be sure that I am the right one for her for a life partner. She told him about the last guy and that he was a total lier to her.

She told my friend about the last guy and that she was going to marry him. My friend told me that she is very upset about the last guy only because he turned out to be a complete 100% lier to her and he made her look like a fool to her family & friends.

My friend actually told her in Russian the 1st day he met her to leave me alone & forget about me if she is not serious about me. She could not believe he was talking to her like that.

HE is like my little brother and I trust him with my life. This is how close we are. I took him to my home in Florida & bought him meals and showed him my friends and took him all around my city at least 7 different times. He told me that I am his best friend in the whole world and I am the only guy he trusts.

She told me that he talked to her like a laywer or policeman asking her questions about her intentions about me. And my friend kept saying that she better be legit with me because it was the right thing to do.

I asked him why he layed into her so hard and he said you are my brother & family and I don't trust any women in the Ukraine until they prove me wrong.

HE said she tells him in Russian that she just doesn't want to get burned also like she did from the last guy. She also told her that her mother said she is a fool if she let's me go.

I told my waiter friend about the computer situation. He said don't bring it up unless she brings it up. If she tells me that she needs money to fix it tell her to get the money from the guy who dropped something on it. He said if she tells me that she will have to use the $100 I gave her to fix computer then tell her to use it and we will just have to continue talking on the phone without using skype.

HE said if she gets an attitude about me not sending her money then she is probably lying about the computer being broke.

My friend said to me it is not my problem that a man dropped something on her computer & broke it. My friend also said that it is really strange that her printer would also be broke from this if the printer is not always next to your computer.

I have told my girl that she is the 3rd women I am trying this with. She knows I am not playing games. She also knows that I will walk away from her in a second and not look back if she tells me she does not think we will be good for each other.

I asked the manager before I met this girl what her feeling was about my girl before I came to visit. The manager said that my girl was an outgoing personality , always cheerful, wants to have children, thinks that we might be good for each other because we both like to laugh & joke around, and this girl will only meet a man if he is serious and not in town to meet other women.

I want you guys to know also that because I have been burnt before I am not jumping for joy that I have a 2nd meeting with her and I am also not talking myself into thinking this is a done deal. IF it truly ended today I would not be hurt because I have not let myself fall for her yet. I am testing the waters to see her intentions & when I go back on trip number 2 I think by the end of that trip it will be interesting to see what she has to say about us together.

She has talked about us going somewhere in the summertime. If we last till summertime and I go with her somewhere nice I will want a solid commitment from her where she displays to the world on the website that she is "BUSY" with me of course. If she refuses to do this when our summer trip is over I will look her in the eye and tell her goodbye & good luck but in a nice calm way.

Yes it seems there are some red flags. The red flag of her talking about living in Prague. The red flag of the computer breaking just when we are about to talk on Skype. The red flag of her almost marrying a man after she knows him for 14 days.


We will see.



I just got off the phone with the manager. I asked her if she had any news to tell me about me & my girl. She said she knows somethings but she can not talk on the phone to tell me because there were people next to her in her office. She said she will email me her thoughts on me & my girl.

I am a little anxious now waiting to hear what she has to say. The manager did say to me that she knows that I am a good man and we are friends and she knows I trust her. She said she wants the best for me also. I told her she must be honest with me if she thinks that I should continue with my girl.
She said she will send email today about her feelings on what she knows.

I'm waiting for the email !


Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I just got off the phone with the manager. I asked her if she had any news to tell me about me & my girl. She said she knows somethings but she can not talk on the phone to tell me because there were people next to her in her office. She said she will email me her thoughts on me & my girl.

I hope she doesn't have somebody in just now "fixing her curtains".


Posted by: royalpalace774

I haven't heard from the manager yet , but I did talk to my girl & she went to pick up the roses I sent her and she was happy that I sent her flowers.

She did tell me that the man who broke the computer was going to repair it. He has it with him. I think she said it was the monitor that was damaged actually.

We had some laughs. She said she missed me. I joked with her & said you miss me because I sent you flowers and she said I miss you because of you not flowers. That was nice. I talked to her around 4:00 Ukraine time. She told me to call her again later so we can talk more. She also said her mom can't wait to see me again.

Anyway, still waiting to hear what the manager is going to tell me.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I got an email from my manager friend at the agency. She spoke to my girl and asked her her thoughts on our 1st meeting. This is the email I got from the manager:

She had a great pleasure of being acquainted with you and
spending time with you. She told many good things about your
personality. And when I asked if she has serious thoughts of your
future together, she smiled first, was a little bit embarrassed and
told time will see. She needs another meeting and do not to be in a
hurry with decisions and conclusions.



I like this so far. I need another meeting or 2 myself. My girl told me today that she wants me to be with her all summer if it is possible. She told me this today on Valentines Day.


Posted by: Chrismc

Well RP you seem to have two good people on your side, so if they think she is above board then you have to believe them and take things slowly. If she has been burned recently then you can understand some of the reluctance to commit to anything just now afterall it must have been a nightmare telling everyone she was getting married only for her then to have to tell everyone it was all off and a mistake. How she got suckered into that in the first place, is another story.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Well RP you seem to have two good people on your side, so if they think she is above board then you have to believe them and take things slowly. If she has been burned recently then you can understand some of the reluctance to commit to anything just now afterall it must have been a nightmare telling everyone she was getting married only for her then to have to tell everyone it was all off and a mistake. How she got suckered into that in the first place, is another story.



I think everything is good so far. She has been burnt and she doesn't want to jump right into the fire. I am OK with that anyway. After my last 2 women I want to have a few trips with the same girl to make sure she is and acts the same with me as our 1st trip together.

When I went to see my ex on trip #2 I thought I was with someone else at times.

I am much happier with this women. She always has me laughing and she always has a smile even when the rest of the people around her in the Ukraine look like they lost their best friend with their depressed looks. This girl is always bubbly with a smile. I love it.

I hope it turns out. But I am not going to count my chickens before they hatch. I am also looking forward to spending a full month with her in the summer. I hope that happens for us. The only thing I dread in summer is when they shut the electricity off in the city center and sometimes they shut the plumbing off in the summer for a few hours.

Oh well, what will be will be!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Well RP you seem to have two good people on your side, so if they think she is above board then you have to believe them and take things slowly. If she has been burned recently then you can understand some of the reluctance to commit to anything just now afterall it must have been a nightmare telling everyone she was getting married only for her then to have to tell everyone it was all off and a mistake. How she got suckered into that in the first place, is another story.



I think everything is good so far. She has been burnt and she doesn't want to jump right into the fire. I am OK with that anyway. After my last 2 women I want to have a few trips with the same girl to make sure she is and acts the same with me as our 1st trip together.

When I went to see my ex on trip #2 I thought I was with someone else at times.

I am happy so far with this women. She always has me laughing and she always has a smile even when the rest of the people around her in the Ukraine look like they lost their best friend with their depressed looks. This girl is always bubbly with a smile. I love it.

I hope it turns out. But I am not going to count my chickens before they hatch. I am also looking forward to spending a full month with her in the summer. I hope that happens for us. The only thing I dread in summer is when they shut the electricity off in the city center and sometimes they shut the plumbing off in the summer for a few hours.

Oh well, what will be will be!


Posted by: BluesTraveler

RP: I think everyone is rooting for ya, just hard to know exactly what she is thinking & feeling when we only hear your side of the story. Since you have been burnt a few times, nobody wants to see you go through that agony again.

If the waiter and the agency manager are vouching for her, then the 2nd meeting should clear things up for you. Question is, will things be certain for her? Hope so.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesTraveler
RP: I think everyone is rooting for ya, just hard to know exactly what she is thinking & feeling when we only hear your side of the story. Since you have been burnt a few times, nobody wants to see you go through that agony again.

If the waiter and the agency manager are vouching for her, then the 2nd meeting should clear things up for you. Question is, will things be certain for her? Hope so.


I guess I will never know what we have until the 2nd meeting is happening. I'm not going to get ahead of myself on this one. If it turns out great than that's good. If she changes her mind and gets weird on me than I am done. The worst that can happen is I go there and spend another week with her and she tells me we are not for each other and she is sorry that it took this long for her to figure it out.

We will see! I still have another women that wants me to visit her in the summer.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I'm with Spakoyna on this. Something told me there is something wrong, too many oddities. My fiancee thinks the same way. She asks about you all the time RP, because of your flight stories, but I think she's addicted to your life now like a soap opera!


Posted by: sidney

I can't understand why she seems so focused on future trips. Always talking about the next trip you take there or what you'll do next time. I would think if she were so into you that she would grasp the moment and want to do whatever with you now. I'm sure you've got a better grasp of the situation but it's a big question mark with me.
Sid


Posted by: blucatz

Can't do much with him now, he's back home, so planning and looking forward to the next trips may be all she has. If she is into RP like he seems to think she is, then she is daydreaming about doing things with him and telling him about them. My lady and I do that all the time. If you can't be together, the next best thing is to talk about what your going to do together the next time you see each other. Could be also that she really wanted to do more with him on the first trip but learned her lesson on moving too fast with the other guy and wants to get to trips 2 and 3 so she can do more with out feeling like she's moving too fast or making another mistake. She wants to move faster without actually moving faster, if that makes any sense.


Posted by: Spakoyna

RP, I will stand by my opinion but hope I am wrong. Only you know if there is a connection between the 2 of you. My wife threw every red flag in the book at me! If I had listened to others we would not be together.

I know I don't come across to well....I just don't like people being taken advantage of.

Hope it works out for you for the long haul!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spakoyna
RP, I will stand by my opinion but hope I am wrong. Only you know if there is a connection between the 2 of you. My wife threw every red flag in the book at me! If I had listened to others we would not be together.

I know I don't come across to well....I just don't like people being taken advantage of.

Hope it works out for you for the long haul!


There is a connection without a doubt. In her body language alone she displays alot of affection towards me. For 7 straight days she grabbed my arm wherever we walked. We held hands and walked arm in arm from the 1st day we met.

When we are in my apartment she sits close to me and holds my hand. Also when we walk in the street with her mother, she still does not let go of my arm. She came to my apartment with her mother and she would sit on my lap with her mother there.

I will admit that we have not had any sex. But that is not the reason I went to see her. I'm sure all of that will fall into place at the right time.

I trust the manager of the agency and I think her email is normal about what my girl said. She just wants to be sure about me as much as I want to be sure about her! So what is the problem with taking it slow?

Some of you think that her talking about moving to Prague was a red flag. IF I told you that I would love to live on Malibu beach in California would that be a red flag for her against me.

So far I really don't see any strange things except why did she agree to marry a guy after a 14 day meeting.

Her computer broke and she did not ask me to help pay for it.

Every time we talk on the phone her mother gets on the phone and says hello to me. She feels confident enough to tell me she wants to spend a month together in the summer and we have not had our 2nd meeting yet.

I would truly rather here her tell me those things than not tell me anything at all.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by RP

So far I really don't see any strange things except why did she agree to marry a guy after a 14 day meeting.

Her computer broke and she did not ask me to help pay for it.


Those are Red flags but she may well be telling the truth, but I still find it hard to understand why she agreed to marry that bloke so quickly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RP
Every time we talk on the phone her mother gets on the phone and says hello to me. She feels confident enough to tell me she wants to spend a month together in the summer and we have not had our 2nd meeting yet.


I think the fact that she introduced you to mum and that you have the agency and your waiter pal on your side outweighs the red flags for now.

She would have to be a pretty low quality women or a great scammer to let her mother in on a scam, or maybe it is the mother who is the scammer

Seriously, I would go on gut feeling, instinct and the comments of the agency women and waiter on this until I knew any better.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Those are Red flags but she may well be telling the truth, but I still find it hard to understand why she agreed to marry that bloke so quickly.



I think the fact that she introduced you to mum and that you have the agency and your waiter pal on your side outweighs the red flags for now.

She would have to be a pretty low quality women or a great scammer to let her mother in on a scam, or maybe it is the mother who is the scammer

Seriously, I would go on gut feeling, instinct and the comments of the agency women and waiter on this until I knew any better.


I just remembered something that my girl told me. When we were talking about the guy she was going to marry and how she felt like a fool believing all of the things he told her, she clearly asked me not to mention this to the manager of the agency.

She said to me "Please don't tell her about what I just told you".

I know this sounds crazy coming from me, but is it possible that she made up this story and it never happened and she is using this story to buy time.

Buy time for what? Maybe it is a way for her to keep me hanging on until she is ready to make a decision. Maybe with her being a attractive young women she likes it when she is taken out to dinners that equal 1 week of her salary. Maybe she likes it when she knows I will bring her a gift or 2 when I visit her. MAybe she is slowly trying to set me up for something bigger that she will soon ask me to get her.

Who knows? I guess I am bored today and thinking crazy. I will tell you one thing that has been happening in the last few days that really is bugging me.

I call her cell phone, it rings once and it appears that she answers it for a second and hangs up. I did this today 5 times in a row and this is what happened. It rings once or twice and it is like she picks it up and immediately hangs it up. After I try about 5 times in a row then her phone is turned off.

Very frustrating.


Posted by: solstice

It's apparent you're really giving this whole thing a lot of thought, and from what you've gone through in the past I don't blame you. The thing is you'll drive yourself up a wall trying to figure it out until you go for a 2nd visit. And even then you might find it difficult to see things clearly. You said yourself women can do the craziest things and I definitey agree. The thing that would trouble me the most is something pretty simple. You said something about her not wanting to kiss you. It doesn't make sense that she was willing to marry some guy after 2 weeks but now has found the greatest man around and could not bring herself to give you a kiss. Sometimes the smallest things mean the most and a kiss is not a big thing to offer someone to let them know your feelings towards them and you'd like to see a realtionship go forward. Of course we are talking about women here and being a man I could naturally be way off base.


Posted by: Alisa_L

Quote:
Originally Posted by solstice
The thing that would trouble me the most is something pretty simple. You said something about her not wanting to kiss you. It doesn't make sense that she was willing to marry some guy after 2 weeks but now has found the greatest man around and could not bring herself to give you a kiss. Sometimes the smallest things mean the most and a kiss is not a big thing to offer someone to let them know your feelings towards them and you'd like to see a realtionship go forward. Of course we are talking about women here and being a man I could naturally be way off base.

That's exactly what i was thinking about! If i like a guy, and if he travelled so far to meet only me after our virtual talks on the net, and if i think this is the best guy i ever met, i would like to give him the kiss and i would be looking forward to the kiss
About the guy who drop something on her computer after you gave her some money for the internet connection...i think maybe she doesn't have the pc (as i understood you never been in the place she live so you do not know for sure), i seriously doubt that the story with this guy is true. About the phone, it can happen sometimes, or maybe she is with someone and doesn't want to talk at that moment, nobody knows, but i am sure you will hear interesting story about this soon .

I hope i am wrong but i agree with the most of the guy's opinion....RUN!

Alisa


Posted by: Chrismc

Yes the more you analyses this the more worries you uncover, however, to make up a story that she was going to get married to a bloke after only two weeks, just to slow things down is IMHO a non starter, if a women wants to slow things down they just do so, they have many ways to do that without making up pretty unbelievable stories.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by solstice
It's apparent you're really giving this whole thing a lot of thought, and from what you've gone through in the past I don't blame you. The thing is you'll drive yourself up a wall trying to figure it out until you go for a 2nd visit. And even then you might find it difficult to see things clearly. You said yourself women can do the craziest things and I definitey agree. The thing that would trouble me the most is something pretty simple. You said something about her not wanting to kiss you. It doesn't make sense that she was willing to marry some guy after 2 weeks but now has found the greatest man around and could not bring herself to give you a kiss. Sometimes the smallest things mean the most and a kiss is not a big thing to offer someone to let them know your feelings towards them and you'd like to see a realtionship go forward. Of course we are talking about women here and being a man I could naturally be way off base.


I have a theory about the kiss. But I will admit that I was a little disapointed
that she would not let me kiss her on our last day together.

My theory is this and of course I could be wrong. I think she wants to see if I really show up to meet her for a second trip. She was told many times by the guy she was going to marry that he was coming again for Christmas and also to marry her and he kept making excuses not to come. And he didn't come.

Maybe she wants to see if I am serious enough to show up for trip number two.

And yes Chris, I can drive myself crazy if I keep trying to play detective. Like I said before. I am going to see her again April 10th for another 7-9 days. And just maybe we will spend a month together in summer. IF we are meant to stay together and take it farther we will take it farther. IF it ends after trip number 2 I am still going to visit another school teacher in the summer who is 36 years old. My girl that I just went to see is 30 years old.

I guess my backup plan is my summer meeting with another women.

The one thing I am not doing this time with this women is talking to her like I know this is a done deal. I actually told her that I need to be sure as much as she does that we are good together.

I don't know what is going to happen. I will just have to make trip 2 to see where we are heading to.

As far as her telling me about the broken computer. Maybe she is going to spend the $100 I gave her on herself and tell me that the computer cant be fixed at all because it is broke beyond repair. Who knows.

I gave her $100 so we can talk on Skype and it is real strange that that might not ever happen.


Posted by: BluesTraveler

RP: you can very easily over analyze the situation to death. I don't know why she would "make-up" the story about meeting / deciding to marry the guy in November. It doesn't make her look better in your eyes, and it invites way too many questions. So I would think it was the truth.

Very much doubt the mom is on the scam act. Not seeing her apartment is pretty common, the mom may not want a random stranger in her home.

Mobile phone picking up and not connecting. This is a pretty common issue. She could have been in a bad reception area, and couldn't hear you. Or maybe the battery was dying. Or maybe a million other things that go wrong with mobile phones. She picked up the phone the rest of the week, so I think you can blame it on the mobile phone gods playing havoc with the network.

At this point, relax, keep speaking, both eyes wide open, and you all we revealed in due time. Still rooting for ya.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesTraveler
RP: you can very easily over analyze the situation to death. I don't know why she would "make-up" the story about meeting / deciding to marry the guy in November. It doesn't make her look better in your eyes, and it invites way too many questions. So I would think it was the truth.

Very much doubt the mom is on the scam act. Not seeing her apartment is pretty common, the mom may not want a random stranger in her home.

Mobile phone picking up and not connecting. This is a pretty common issue. She could have been in a bad reception area, and couldn't hear you. Or maybe the battery was dying. Or maybe a million other things that go wrong with mobile phones. She picked up the phone the rest of the week, so I think you can blame it on the mobile phone gods playing havoc with the network.

At this point, relax, keep speaking, both eyes wide open, and you all we revealed in due time. Still rooting for ya.


Yep, I gotta stop with the analyzing stuff. I believe her about the guy she was going to marry. The thing that is bothering me is why she agreed to get married in the 1st place to that guy after 2 weeks of knowing him. As far as me not going to my girl's home, she lives 1 hour away from the city center by car.

My waiter friend asked her where she lived and he told me that this girl lives very far away from where I was staying. HE said that if she went by bus it would take her an easy 2 hour ride. But I gave her money to take taxi's to me and back home. Each way was $10.00. IF you went that distance in the U.S. in a taxi it would probably be $200.00 each way.

The phone thing can always go weird there. I'm sure I will talk to her tomorrow sometime. So time will tell where this will go. And what will be will be!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I don't know what to say about today's post except I find it strange with the things she comes up with to tell me. I sometimes find her hard to believe with all of the problems that happen to her. I could be wrong , but I am scratching my head on what she said today.

I just called her 5:30 pm Ukraine time and she answered the phone and she says to me "If you see that I answer & hang up when you call that means I can't talk at that moment to you, why did you call me a thousand times yesterday?"

I told her that I thought that we had a bad phone connection and I was just trying again because I know the phone connections there are strange at times.

She then said in a very serious voice speaking softly into the phone as if she did not want any one to hear her talking, she couldn't talk to me yesterday because her mother got food poisoning and felt terrible and she is taking care of her. She said her mother feels awful.

We spoke for about 1 minute and she asked me "How are you?" I said I am ok, and then she said she doesn't feel well either and she is still coughing & sniffling .

She then said to call her tomorrow night and we will talk as normal. I said OK, no problem, I don't want you to think I was calling so many times to bother you or like a stalker, I really thought the connection was just bad so I just tried again.

She then had this happy voice all of a sudden and said OK talk to you tomorrow.

ME being the one with his eyes wide open looking for what may be lying is always questioning if these things are really true. I just got that feeling in my gut for some reason that she was kind of smerking or laughing at me when we hung up. Maybe because she knew she was telling me a bunch of crap & I believed it. OR she was happy to talk to me for a brief minute and she knows we will talk tomorrow night and that is why her voice all of a sudden sounded happy.

And then my mind gets carried away for a second and I picture in my mind that she is with some guy and she knows she must tell me something to make sure I don't call her anymore today so she can have privacy with him.

Yes I can make up some scenes here. And sometimes I wonder if what I picture in my mind is real.

I guess I am over reacting, but after my last 2 women I know the craziest sh-t can happen in a second. I just find it hard to believe that her mom got food poisoning. I know I could be wrong, but I just don't know.

Maybe another guy is visiting her from the U.S. or England and she can't talk.

I know, I'm getting crazy here. I guess I will call her tomorrow night and see if she can talk. I just hope she doesn't make up these stories. They can be true but they sure seem to come at the strangest times.

I just remembered that I did try to call her house last night and there was no answer. Maybe they were out at a restaurant & her mom did eat some bad food?


Posted by: Spakoyna

Damn RP! You aren't crazy! Trust your gut feelings! As much as you don't want to hear it....RUN,RUN,RUN! Your last post sealed the deal for me. No IF'S ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT! Go find yourself a nice lady!


Posted by: royalpalace774

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
Damn RP! You aren't crazy! Trust your gut feelings! As much as you don't want to hear it....RUN,RUN,RUN! Your last post sealed the deal for me. No IF'S ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT! Go find yourself a nice lady!


I 'm not throwing in the towel just yet Spak. My gut feelings are also because of what I went through with the other 2 women from the Ukraine. I am just picking at every little thing. I know that there is a possibility that this relationship could go nowhere. But I have to still see what will happen with her.

I admit some of these stories are out there. Computer breaking after I gave her $100 to get her internet started. I call and she hangs up so she won't have to talk to me. Her mother has food poisoning. I wonder what will be next.

I'm still going to give it more time to see where it will go. I haven't let myself get emotionally involved yet where I can be hurt. I guess if it ended I would feel a little bad but not devastated. I want to go for a 2nd trip and see where it leads.

There are some things that I have decided that I will do on my 2nd trip with her.

If on my 2nd trip she refuses to kiss me or get more intimate I will tell her to her face that there is obviously something wrong between us, and just maybe we need to end this now.

If she says what is the big deal about a kiss, I will tell her that it is something that I think is normal between a man & women who are getting closer by choice.

IF she gives me the line "I'm not ready" I will tell her that I have known her for 4 months when I am there again in April and if she has no desire to even kiss me wha