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4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?

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Posted by: royalpalace774

Well here we go with the start of my new search after my ex FSU women who has a K1 approval sent me an email 1 month ago to basically break up with me.

I will start by saying that I am currently writing to 4 women. And so far they are all very nice. Today I think I came across my 1st red flag with one of them.

She is from Nickolaev & we have exchanged at least 6 emails so far. I asked her for her phone number & she said she is not ready to give me her phone number. She said why is it not good to exchange ideas & views in emails. So instead she gave me her address. This address is a post office box in Nickolaev.

I wrote her today and told her that she will have to give me her phone number if she wants to continue communication with me. I even asked her when will she be ready to give me her number. So I think I am about to drop this one any day now. I hope she comes through with something good. Little does she know that if she really wants to get to know me she is going to have to give her number to me & talk with me.

My gut tells me her next letter might be a little aggressive and she will try to convince me to just keep writing & we will soon talk on the phone. I told her I want to know when she will be ready to talk on the phone.


So she has to come up with a good next letter to me. I am about to drop her. I can't wait to hear her next excuse for not giving me her number. She is a teacher of English and also she translates documents as a 2nd job.

WE WILL SEE!

I'll soon tell you about the other three women. I'm talking on the phone with one of them & her English is a 2 on a 5 scale. Not very good. But I actually have some history with her. She is one women I dropped when I found my ex. I wrote to her again & she welcomed me back into her life. She said she thought she would never hear from me again & she was hurt that I picked another women over her. I even asked her a year ago if she was willing to come & see me and I would pay her way & pay for her to have an apartment for a few days. She could not come due to her classes & taking tests for a class she was in.

She is trying very hard to communicate with me & she talks a few English words on the phone. I got flowers delivered to her house & she was in heaven.She emailed me & said all of her friends were asking questions about me.

She is a kindergarten teacher. She loves kids. I have a good feeling about her. I just need to get her English better. I might send her money to take some English lessons. My gut tells me she is a good girl. But I thought the same thing about my ex also. And look what she did.


I am really surprised she let me back in after I told her about my ex. I actually had this women in 3rd or 4th place when I met my ex. I really wanted a girl who spoke good English. She is even ready to meet me as soon as I am ready to go there. She tells me she knows I am a good man with a big heart. She really sound incredibly excited when she hears my voice on the phone. But our conversation is very difficult. Yesterday she said to me

ALLA BIRTHDAY my friend we drink champagne tonight. Pretty good. I understood what she said. Then it was all Russian & I was in a daze. But she tried her best to let me know she was glad to talk with me.

She is happy that I am single now. She said maybe my ex did her a favor.

She is in Sumy, Ukraine She is even sending me sms messages wishing me a happy holidays. I wish she could write English so I could email to her personal email. The way it is now I am stuck using the Global ladies email system with her. She wants me to come around Easter to see her.

Any ideas how to deal with her guys. I like her & I dropped her once & she is here for me again and I think that is pretty incredible for a Russian women to do. I can't believe she is talking with me. I dropped her before but I was honest in telling her why when I did it.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

She sounds like a winner RP, the Sumy girl. I have 2 ideas.

1. Send her your e-mail address using sms. Maybe she will get the hint and send hers.

2. Send her flowers and ask the deliverer to get her e-mail address and send to you.

Best wishes!


Posted by: Seaview

4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?


Stop writing, start living.

In other words, get a life


Posted by: deccie

Well I don't think you should be sending money, that's for sure. But woman number 2 certainly sounds nice.

Getting her email address is critical. You can then use of the web translators out there to email her in Russian and translate her replies.

however, when you use them make sure your english is clear and watch your spelling. Sometimes the translation is not exact so warn your lady friend if she reads something that sounds weird it maybe because the translation did not come out right.

Then if things go well you need to make some decisions about who to go see again... (-:

You could also try learning some russian/ukranian yourself. (-:


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaview
4 VERY NICE WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, NOW WHAT DO I DO?


Stop writing, start living.

In other words, get a life


Seaview , I have a life. And it's in a place where the weather is always like summertime. And I work an average of 12 hours a week with a great salary. Now what would you like me to do? You need to be more clear in your statements.

I see you are in Moscow. And you have the highest cost of living on planet earth today. So unless you are one of the wealthy people there in Moscow, I have to presume that you spend all of your time working and just barely being able to pay the bills there. I could be wrong. But I think It is safe to say that People in Russia & the FSU spend all of their time working with not much time for play. I have more than enough time to write a few emails to some very nice women.

I am pretty sure that if you knew what my life was like you would trade places with me in a second. And I am also pretty sure that I would not trade places with a man in the FSU or Russia trying to make $50.00 U.S. dollars a week & work 60 -70 hours for it.

So yes SEAVIEW, I guess I have a life.

Being that you are in Moscow, I wonder if you can tell me what a typical day is for you. I'm just curious. I have never been to Moscow and I hear it is beautiful but with a very large cost of living expense.


Posted by: Jerico

I have been to Moscow 4 times.
They may not make lots of money but in Moscow they do OK from what I have seen.
Most already have apartments they received after the collapse or live with family with these apartments so not a real money problem on living quarters.
You would be suprised the money people make in Moscow and not just foriegners either.
Anyway I think you would like it to visit at least. Lots of museums and things to see.
I really like the night life there from what I saw at least.
You should check it out.
Jerry


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
She is a kindergarten teacher. She loves kids. I have a good feeling about her. I just need to get her English better. I might send her money to take some English lessons. My gut tells me she is a good girl. But I thought the same thing about my ex also. And look what she did.


RP, she sounds like a good woman, but my advice would be do not under any circumstances send her money until you have spent some time with her.

Quote:
Any ideas how to deal with her guys. I like her & I dropped her once & she is here for me again and I think that is pretty incredible for a Russian women to do. I can't believe she is talking with me. I dropped her before but I was honest in telling her why when I did it.


Why can't you just pay to have all your correspondence translated? Do you have her personal email address? Lena does a very good job and makes life immensely easier when communicating with a woman who does not know English very well. Well worth the money in my opinion.


Posted by: Seaview

Quote:
Seaview , I have a life. And it's in a place where the weather is always like summertime. And I work an average of 12 hours a week with a great salary. Now what would you like me to do? You need to be more clear in your statements.


More clear? OK... You invest too much hope and emotion into every new adventure describing every step and breath of it. You waste your energy on writing instead of saving it all for actual action. "My gut feeling tells me this, my gut feeling tells me that". Haven't you understood yet that something is wrong with your gut feeling? Sorry...

Quote:
I see you are in Moscow. And you have the highest cost of living on planet earth today. So unless you are one of the wealthy people there in Moscow, I have to presume that you spend all of your time working and just barely being able to pay the bills there. I could be wrong. But I think It is safe to say that People in Russia & the FSU spend all of their time working with not much time for play. I have more than enough time to write a few emails to some very nice women.


I am not wealthy. I am OK. Much better that an average American according to official statistics. Not looking for a rescuer saving me from hardships of FSU life Yes, I work much because I love it. I love my job so when I am at home my mind is busy with plans and ideas. It happens to people.

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I am pretty sure that if you knew what my life was like you would trade places with me in a second. And I am also pretty sure that I would not trade places with a man in the FSU or Russia trying to make $50.00 U.S. dollars a week & work 60 -70 hours for it.


Not interested. Honestly. Don't know a single person making 50$ a week, BTW. If you find one, please, don't start saving her, treating her like a queen and making her happy. Wasted time and money. She won't be able to appreciate it. However, if you have good disposable income and have a special FSU column on your balance sheet, please, spend. Planned expences are not a problem.

Quote:
Being that you are in Moscow, I wonder if you can tell me what a typical day is for you. I'm just curious. I have never been to Moscow and I hear it is beautiful but with a very large cost of living expense.


Typical? Waking up at 9.00. Leaving home at about 11.30.
12.00. - 20.00. Work Nice modern office, meetings, chats, emails, phone talks, gossips, manicure or massage in breaks (Beauty Studio downstairs), business lunch (Restaurant downstairs). Then going home Sometimes to the cinema, sometimes to a party. Not too often. THis kind of life Simple.


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
She is from Nickolaev & we have exchanged at least 6 emails so far. I asked her for her phone number & she said she is not ready to give me her phone number. She said why is it not good to exchange ideas & views in emails. So instead she gave me her address. This address is a post office box in Nickolaev.

I wrote her today and told her that she will have to give me her phone number if she wants to continue communication with me. I even asked her when will she be ready to give me her number. So I think I am about to drop this one any day now. I hope she comes through with something good. Little does she know that if she really wants to get to know me she is going to have to give her number to me & talk with me.

My gut tells me her next letter might be a little aggressive and she will try to convince me to just keep writing & we will soon talk on the phone. I told her I want to know when she will be ready to talk on the phone.
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I just need to get her English better. I might send her money to take some English lessons. My gut tells me she is a good girl. But I thought the same thing about my ex also. And look what she did.


Giving me her phone number was the last thing on my girlfriend's mind. I took the advice given here and wanted to push the point but thought better of it. The address was not even something she wanted to discuss. She told me she would give me these details to me when she was ready. "I don't give my details to every man who writes to me", she said.

She also mentioned that her English was bad and that she was communicating through a translator.

I concentrated on her personality - her family, her friends, her hobbies, her hopes, her history... I told her it was ok if she wanted to write to me in Russian and she never wrote to me in English again.

A few exchanges later, she sent me her phone number and I asked her if I could phone her. She said she had no objection other than the fact that her English was from her school days - some 16 years earlier.

When I called, her English was just as she had said - but my Russian was worse. In fact my Russian was 0.1 on a scale of 0 to 5. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes, and that was with a lot of silence.

My first impression - how brave she was to even attempt to speak to me when we did not have a common language.

4 to 5 months later, I was amazed at how much she had improved. We spent hours and hours on the phone everyday, talking about everything under the sun. She will be arriving in the UK tomorrow.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoeastLJ
Giving me her phone number was the last thing on my girlfriend's mind. I took the advice given here and wanted to push the point but thought better of it. The address was not even something she wanted to discuss. She told me she would give me these details to me when she was ready. "I don't give my details to every man who writes to me", she said.

She also mentioned that her English was bad and that she was communicating through a translator.

I concentrated on her personality - her family, her friends, her hobbies, her hopes, her history... I told her it was ok if she wanted to write to me in Russian and she never wrote to me in English again.

A few exchanges later, she sent me her phone number and I asked her if I could phone her. She said she had no objection other than the fact that her English was from her school days - some 16 years earlier.

When I called, her English was just as she had said - but my Russian was worse. In fact my Russian was 0.1 on a scale of 0 to 5. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes, and that was with a lot of silence.

My first impression - how brave she was to even attempt to speak to me when we did not have a common language.

4 to 5 months later, I was amazed at how much she had improved. We spent hours and hours on the phone everyday, talking about everything under the sun. She will be arriving in the UK tomorrow.


That's interesting GOEAST,
Maybe I should give this Nickolaev women a little more time to
give me her phone number. But I am a little uncomfortable with her giving me a Post Office box as an address. And I forgot to mention that this Nickolaev women is an English teacher .

The women that I am communicating with with bad English is in Sumy, Ukraine. The Sumy women tries to speak to me on the phone and I also think she is brave for trying.

I wish you luck with her arrival tomorrow. I know you are excited to have her here. I was an inch away from that myself with my ex. She could have been here within the next 12 weeks but she pulled the plug.

Anyway, I think I will give this one a little more time. How do you feel about the Post Office box as an address?


Posted by: AkMike

IMO you're too worried about the little things. A PO Box is no big deal as is the phone number. Remember that they don't know if you're serious or a serial killer.. Give them time to develop some trust in you as they get to know you.
Ditch them if there is a real reason for it, sofar there isn't any that you've shown.


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Thank you RP.

I am with AkMike. Concentrate on the big things. Some ladies have multiple places and their mailing addresses may be different from their living addresses.


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoeastLJ
Thank you RP.

I am with AkMike. Concentrate on the big things. Some ladies have multiple places and their mailing addresses may be different from their living addresses.

That is true, my lady has her own place during the week, but stays with other family on the weekends. She receives mail at 3 different address's. Guess I am lucky to have all of them and the work address.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoeastLJ
Thank you RP.

I am with AkMike. Concentrate on the big things. Some ladies have multiple places and their mailing addresses may be different from their living addresses.



Well maybe the Nikolaev women can give me more than a Post Office box. What if I want to send her something like flowers. I can't send them to a Post Office. LEt's see what her next email says.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Well maybe the Nikolaev women can give me more than a Post Office box. What if I want to send her something like flowers. I can't send them to a Post Office. LEt's see what her next email says.


I wouldn't sweat it just yet. One girl gave me a post office box because she didn't want her parents to know just yet she was searching for a foreign husband.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Good point goforit. I think every relationship shows signs of "scam". You just have to let time pass and ask questions if necessary.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Something very interesting happened today. As I have said before in some previous posts here & there, I have a friend who is a waiter from a restaurant when I was in the Ukraine. I met him last October in the Ukraine.

He is currently working on a cruise ship and it docks in my city. It is here every 5 days. I have all ready picked him up 4 times & taken him to lunch & we have a great time. I even took him to my house for a few hours and made us breakfast.

Today he told me that there is a Russian girl that works on the ship with him and he wants me to meet her. He showed her my picture and he told her I was interested in meeting a Russian or FSU women to start a life with.

She told him she wants to meet me. She told him she wants to meet an American & start a family with a good man & leave Russia. And she is looking forward to meeting me. She is a professional ice skater & speaks perfect English.

So this Monday morning at around 9:30 I am picking this lady up where the ship docks & taking her on a date in my own home town. And then I will bring her back between 12 & 3 in the afternoon.

YOU NEVER KNOW!


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Good point goforit. I think every relationship shows signs of "scam". You just have to let time pass and ask questions if necessary.


I think you are generally right. I once made the mistake of thinking a woman was a scammer when it turned out she was just an airhead ditzy kind of girl.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Something very interesting happened today. As I have said before in some previous posts here & there, I have a friend who is a waiter from a restaurant when I was in the Ukraine. I met him last October in the Ukraine.

He is currently working on a cruise ship and it docks in my city. It is here every 5 days. I have all ready picked him up 4 times & taken him to lunch & we have a great time. I even took him to my house for a few hours and made us breakfast.

Today he told me that there is a Russian girl that works on the ship with him and he wants me to meet her. He showed her my picture and he told her I was interested in meeting a Russian or FSU women to start a life with.

She told him she wants to meet me. She told him she wants to meet an American & start a family with a good man & leave Russia. And she is looking forward to meeting me. She is a professional ice skater & speaks perfect English.

So this Monday morning at around 9:30 I am picking this lady up where the ship docks & taking her on a date in my own home town. And then I will bring her back between 12 & 3 in the afternoon.

YOU NEVER KNOW!


Very interesting. Now that I have been looking for a foreign bride (and I'm not totally stuck on the idea she has to be from the FSU but it would be nice ) a very attractive high energy local Russian woman who I have been interested in for a long time has all of a sudden taken an interest in me. She knows nothing of what I am doing but just one day called me out of the blue and we have been talking ever since. Yup, you never know what might happen


Posted by: Jerico

Quote by SEAVIEW:
Typical? Waking up at 9.00. Leaving home at about 11.30.
12.00. - 20.00. Work Nice modern office, meetings, chats, emails, phone talks, gossips, manicure or massage in breaks (Beauty Studio downstairs), business lunch (Restaurant downstairs). Then going home Sometimes to the cinema, sometimes to a party. Not too often. THis kind of life Simple.



Please sign me up for this " simple " Life
Jerry


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Please sign me up for this " simple " LifeJerry





How's your Russian? You'd have to shave your legs too!


Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
I wouldn't sweat it just yet. One girl gave me a post office box because she didn't want her parents to know just yet she was searching for a foreign husband.

Good thinking. My wife thought it sounded fairly suspicious as the only likely reason for having a PO box was if you regularly received items which were too large to fit into your mailbox.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Well today I got a letter from my Nikolaev girl. She finally gave me her home address. When she realized that I might send her something like flowers or candy she thought it was a good idea also to let me have her address & not a post office box. But she still wants to wait on giving me her phone number.

She said she gave a guy her number once and he called her at all hours of the day & night even when she was teaching in her classroom full of children. She said she will give it to me when I am closer to going to see her.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Have you selected a day to see her?


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Have you selected a day to see her?


I think it will be anytime between the end of March or sometime in April when they have Easter there.


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I think it will be anytime between the end of March or sometime in April when they have Easter there.

Thats kind of a long time to wait on a phone numbers and some phone calls don't you think? I would be wanting the number long before that to be able to make an informed decision on whether or not to see her. Just my .02 worth.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
Thats kind of a long time to wait on a phone numbers and some phone calls don't you think? I would be wanting the number long before that to be able to make an informed decision on whether or not to see her. Just my .02 worth.



Yeah it might be a little while before I get her number. I'll give her a little more time.

I'm going to assure her that I won't call her at any crazy hours. I know that's what she is afraid of because of another guy that did that.

I'll ask her the best times to call & stick to it if she gives me the number.

She seems real nice so far.


Posted by: blucatz

I'm pulling for ya RP, I hope you get a good one this time. After what I have been reading, no one deserves a good FSU woman more than you do, except for maybe me...LOL


Posted by: Seaview

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Quote by SEAVIEW:
Typical? Waking up at 9.00. Leaving home at about 11.30.
12.00. - 20.00. Work Nice modern office, meetings, chats, emails, phone talks, gossips, manicure or massage in breaks (Beauty Studio downstairs), business lunch (Restaurant downstairs). Then going home Sometimes to the cinema, sometimes to a party. Not too often. THis kind of life Simple.



Please sign me up for this " simple " LifeJerry


Send me your CV, I'll forward it to HR department


Posted by: Seaview

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
How's your Russian? You'd have to shave your legs too!


Didn't get it Why do you want Jerry to shave his legs?


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I think it will be anytime between the end of March or sometime in April when they have Easter there.

Glad to hear you are taking 3-4 month to get to know her.

Good luck and enjoy the new year. I wish you a safe, healthy and happy one ... oh and I also wish you "uneventful" flights!!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

The trick with any software translator is to "back" translate. Write your letter and translate it into Russian, then copy the Russian version onto another translation page and convert it back into English.
Modify anything that comes out garbled and try again; after a while you get a feel for what works and you only have to do this once or twice to get a letter that makes sense.

If you use FireFox, try downloading the "FoxLingo" addon


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Yeah it might be a little while before I get her number. I'll give her a little more time.

I'm going to assure her that I won't call her at any crazy hours. I know that's what she is afraid of because of another guy that did that.

I'll ask her the best times to call & stick to it if she gives me the number.

She seems real nice so far.


Does she have a computer at home? If she does talk to her on Skype. That way you can talk by phone without her giving out her number. If you both have webcams you can even do a video chat.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

The smartest thing I did was buy a computer for her. We now use Skype with web cams everyday. I was paying about $300 a month for phone card bills until I bought this computer. We have been using it for over 7 months so it has paid for itself. Now that her son will not be joining us until August, we will save more money!!! She also uses it to tak to her brother in a different city and a cousin in Moscow.

Of course you take a chance when you do this but afer I knew she was he one, it was a no brainer. Of course her son thinks I'm the greatest thing since Borsh for buying this computer!!!


Posted by: AkMike

But only send money or buy $$$pendy gifts like this after you've met them face to face.


( I know RP knows this but I wanted to warn others again)


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
But only send money or buy $$$pendy gifts like this after you've met them face to face.


( I know RP knows this but I wanted to warn others again)



I was an inch away from bringing my ex a macbook laptop this summer. Glad I didn't do that.
And we have a K1 Visa approval. Believe me she got enough from me as it is.

After what I have been through this last year, even after meeting these women in person that I am now talking to I will have to really see how it goes. I told my ex she would have a computer waiting for her when she arrived to my home. I all ready bought it. It's still in the box. I will save it for the women who ends up coming here to be with me.

Until then this computer stays here. I personally think my ex was very pissed off that I did not bring her a computer on my 2nd trip to see her. I think she thought I would bring it so we could talk on Skype.

The day I bought her her birthday present we went to a ATM so I could get money out to pay for her present. The ATM said my card was not good. I told her we need to go to another ATM because the card was good.

She then had this look of frustration & anger almost as if she thought I was trying to not get her her birthday present. I actually had a thought come to my head at that moment that all she cared about was getting her present and she was just waiting for me to leave the Ukraine so she could get on with her life. I even said to her, why do you look so angry, let's go to another ATM machine. I then told her that she looked like she wanted to kill someone and I was not used to seeing her like this. And of course the usual excuse came out and it was her job, the heat etc. So we walked 3 blocks to another machine & it worked perfectly. Then I got her her present & payed for it.


I learned alot of lessons this last year. Sometimes I wonder if she was a scammer doing everything I would never expect.

You guys must remember that these women know that we know the usual things that look shady. So a real clever women will have to invent new things that we would ever suspect.

I had my heart open because she seemed legit. And on the 1st trip it was great. It was trip 2 that I was baffled. And here I am now and we are over.

So I should have seen it coming, but I didn't. My mid could only think of how great she was with me on my 1st trip.

I could be wrong & I could be right. Who knows!


NEXT!


Posted by: AkMike

I tried to take ALOT of time to really get to know my wife before we got hitched. First tripwas about 2 weeks of 7/24s. The next was only a week and the third was for 2 months solid! And that one was almost 11 months later.We were married at the end of that stay after I was aboslutely convinced she was the real deal.
Take your time and make sure that she isn't only one that you can live with but the one that you can't live without!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
I tried to take ALOT of time to really get to know my wife before we got hitched. First tripwas about 2 weeks of 7/24s. The next was only a week and the third was for 2 months solid! And that one was almost 11 months later.We were married at the end of that stay after I was aboslutely convinced she was the real deal.
Take your time and make sure that she isn't only one that you can live with but the one that you can't live without!



You are right AKMIKE. Anything can happen! Good or bad. In my case it was bad.


So I have some experience under my belt for my next try. Right now there are 5 in the running. I hope one of them is THE ONE!


Posted by: AkMike

Pretent you're a farmer and seperate the chaff from the wheat. It takes alot of time to do it right.

Go slow and be careful.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

As I've said before ... the whole process is like playing the lotto. I know people that go on 1 trip and they get married and are still happily married today. Others take a year or more before they are married and they're now divorced. And of course the vice versa is true.

My brother and both sisters were engaged 2-8 weeks after they met ... and still married today, 30+ years for all.

Its a crap shoot.


Posted by: goforit

Hey RP,

You never did say if the woman had a computer so she could phone you (or vice versa) by Skype and not have to give out her number.


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
As I've said before ... the whole process is like playing the lotto. I know people that go on 1 trip and they get married and are still happily married today. Others take a year or more before they are married and they're now divorced. And of course the vice versa is true.

My brother and both sisters were engaged 2-8 weeks after they met ... and still married today, 30+ years for all.

Its a crap shoot.



But odds are you'll always make a better decision with more time and information.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Hey RP,

You never did say if the woman had a computer so she could phone you (or vice versa) by Skype and not have to give out her number.


I haven't found that out yet if she has a computer, but I will ask her in the next letter. I love SKYPE. I use it all the time even when I go out of town or abroad. What a money saver. I even have used it sitting at a starbucks & called overseas while I was wearing a pair of headphones to hear the person I was talking to very clearly.


Posted by: Spakoyna

I've been reading so many threads lately without posting I'm not sure this is the place to post it! 1st I will say if you and a gal are hitting off great and you are paying an agency to write it's a no-brainer to buy her a computer after your 1st visit(I did while I was on my 2nd). It will pay for itself and will cut all the agency crap outta the equation!

Now for the BIG BOMB! My wife threw out every RED FLAG in the book! There was an explanation for everyone(just took awhile to pry them out of her and understand!)...be it her personality,cultural differences, or whatever! We have been married for 3+1/2+ years and going strong. I will say if I hadn't been patient and persistant we would not be together.(4 trips in 9 months for a total of 4+1/2 months there with her) I met a guy who actually met my wife before I did. He married a gal from her agency(met them here). His comment was I got the gal no one else could get!

Yes......I had a few doubts and worries along the way! But I guess my gut feelings led me the right way! I R HAPPY and SHE IS HAPPY! I am debating on whether or how to post my success in the other new thread....LOL can't remeber the name of it now!

Keep an open mind RP! Don't dwell on things until they really become an issue! You can't truely learn what kindda person you are mingling with until a trip or 2! I took a chance and sent my now wife around $600 for travel to meet me the 1st time. Yeap I took a chance...and if I hadn't I would not have my princess! We started in the begining...from the word go exchanging serious down to life and what if emails! I believe if a person is serious...especially if a woman writes you first as my wife did....your first reply should be a thanks and lets explore what things would cause problems between us! My 1st letter actually impressed the sh*t outta my wife because she knew I was serious!

Best of luck RP and just be open and honest when you communicate! Yes! Press any issues that bother you! This is a big ta do and if any woman is serious she will have just as many pressing questions for you!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spakoyna
I've been reading so many threads lately without posting I'm not sure this is the place to post it! 1st I will say if you and a gal are hitting off great and you are paying an agency to write it's a no-brainer to buy her a computer after your 1st visit(I did while I was on my 2nd). It will pay for itself and will cut all the agency crap outta the equation!

Now for the BIG BOMB! My wife threw out every RED FLAG in the book! There was an explanation for everyone(just took awhile to pry them out of her and understand!)...be it her personality,cultural differences, or whatever! We have been married for 3+1/2+ years and going strong. I will say if I hadn't been patient and persistant we would not be together.(4 trips in 9 months for a total of 4+1/2 months there with her) I met a guy who actually met my wife before I did. He married a gal from her agency(met them here). His comment was I got the gal no one else could get!

Yes......I had a few doubts and worries along the way! But I guess my gut feelings led me the right way! I R HAPPY and SHE IS HAPPY! I am debating on whether or how to post my success in the other new thread....LOL can't remeber the name of it now!

Keep an open mind RP! Don't dwell on things until they really become an issue! You can't truely learn what kindda person you are mingling with until a trip or 2! I took a chance and sent my now wife around $600 for travel to meet me the 1st time. Yeap I took a chance...and if I hadn't I would not have my princess! We started in the begining...from the word go exchanging serious down to life and what if emails! I believe if a person is serious...especially if a woman writes you first as my wife did....your first reply should be a thanks and lets explore what things would cause problems between us! My 1st letter actually impressed the sh*t outta my wife because she knew I was serious!

Best of luck RP and just be open and honest when you communicate! Yes! Press any issues that bother you! This is a big ta do and if any woman is serious she will have just as many pressing questions for you!



I agree with you Spakoyna on most of what you are saying here. My only thing at this point is that I have 4 women that I am writing to now. If things go as I hope they do, I will visit all 4. And of course after spending time with each one I will see where the mutual chemistry lies.


When I feel that I have found THE ONE or who I think is probably the one and if the feelings are mutual then I will bend even more with something like a computer or other things to make communication easier.

Right now I have been talking on the phone with 1 women that speaks very little English & she has told me in her last letter to me that she is going to try her best to learn more English before our 1st meeting. And she has welcomed me back after I dropped her when I found my ex. I was honest with her why I dropped her. The reason was really due to the English and because she has welcomed me back I am going to give her a real shot and meet her. I have a real good feeling about her. I know she is going to do her best to try & communicate with me and have a nice visit with me.

Another women just gave me her phone number today and I will make my 1st call to her tomorrow. She speaks perfect English. A 5 on a 5 scale. An English teacher for young children.

The other 2 women I am writing to are eager to meet me also. I have found that when I tell all of these women that I have been to the Ukraine 3 times they know that I am serious in my search.

And we all know the statistics about how many men actually make the trips there & how many just talk with these women for something to do or for fun.


So they all know that I am on a mission to find a life partner.

I have to see how the phone talks & emails go within the next 3 months before I make the trip there.

I am keeping an open mind & not expecting any miracles.

I might have to split it up into 2 different trips. But the one thing I don't want to do is go all the way over there and then come home and then 1 month later go back again.

If I have to do that I will. But I would like to spend at least a week with each one on my 1st trip there. And we all know that when the chemistry is a NO GO that week can turn into 1 or 2 days that you are spending with this person.

I just don't know how it will go with any of them until I am there. But I will give my all to make it work and I guess I will see when I get there what we have.

It is strange but at this point I kind of feel the women that speaks the least English that accepted me back into her life might be the one. I could be wrong. But that's my perception now. It can totally change when I am with her. We will see. I want to maybe give her a little money to get English lessons, but everyone here thinks it's a bad idea so far. How much could it be? I sent her flowers & she was in heaven on top of the world.



The good thing is that I am comfortable being in the Ukraine now all alone.

Not like my very 1st trip where I was a little afraid & nervous. Where my 1st FSU women was a good time girl & I should have sent her on her way my 2nd day there.
If that happens again I have no problem sending a good time girl on her way. But of course in a nice way. I hate to have major conflicts with anyone. But if I have to do it I will.
So I think around the end of March and April I am on my way.


Posted by: Spakoyna

RP...Yes I took a chance and it paid off for me. I'm not saying you should open your wallet!

I will say this! My wife's English was minimal when I met her. If your gal was from Russia I could recomend an excellent translator! If not for her we would probably not be together. On the other hand we had a translator in Kiev. She was fine at 1st. Seems she must have taken a liking to me. She almost busted us up. If not for us realizing together what she was doing she would have busted us up! She was married when we 1st met....then it became a boyfriend,etc,etc....you catch the drift.

Don't rule out the Gal's that can't speak English! That is my opinion. Just be sure you have a good way to communicate! I'm sure there are probably some guys here that could recomend a good translator. Our translator in Russia paid for herself many times over...even in the 1st trip! Later it was exponential! Got us a top notch apartment for $40 a night when the goin rate was definately better than 80!

Just Food for thought!


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I haven't found that out yet if she has a computer, but I will ask her in the next letter. I love SKYPE. I use it all the time even when I go out of town or abroad. What a money saver. I even have used it sitting at a starbucks & called overseas while I was wearing a pair of headphones to hear the person I was talking to very clearly.


Yes Skype is outstanding! There simply is no substitute for Skype to Skype calls. 100% free and very clear.


Posted by: goforit

I have five women I will be visiting early next year . I will be going to the Philippines, China, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus in that order . I have a week set aside for each one. I am fully prepared for any glitches in that plan. I talk to all of them regularly and we are getting along quite well. But you never know until you meet them.

I actually think my trip will end when I am in China but we shall see. Three of the five women have relatives in the US and I plan on speaking and visiting with them before I go. But I refuse to make any commitments before I meet them in person. Except for the lady in China none of them speaks English very well. I like that actually. Limits the competition


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I agree with Spakoyna, don't let her level of English be a factor. I would suggest meeting this girl and if she's the one, then send her money for English lessons. Most are eager to do this and learn quickly. When she arrives in the "States" she will learn very quickly. So don't let the level of English be a factor. Just buy a dictionary and phrase book to take with you and you will be fine. Or hire a translator but I never did. I had a few problems communicating some small stuff ... nothing important.

I sent money to both of the girls I met. The first was $500 for airfare to meet me in Moscow. The second time $300 to get her hot water heater replaced. The second girl is my fiancee and I saw the water heater, it looks new. It was a "red flag" at the time but not now. Yes you can send money but remember you may never reap any rewards and concider it gone forever.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
I agree with Spakoyna, don't let her level of English be a factor. I would suggest meeting this girl and if she's the one, then send her money for English lessons. Most are eager to do this and learn quickly. When she arrives in the "States" she will learn very quickly. So don't let the level of English be a factor. Just buy a dictionary and phrase book to take with you and you will be fine. Or hire a translator but I never did. I had a few problems communicating some small stuff ... nothing important.

I sent money to both of the girls I met. The first was $500 for airfare to meet me in Moscow. The second time $300 to get her hot water heater replaced. The second girl is my fiancee and I saw the water heater, it looks new. It was a "red flag" at the time but not now. Yes you can send money but remember you may never reap any rewards and concider it gone forever.


I'm giving this women 100% like I am giving all the others. I am probably rooting more for her just because of how she let me back in her life.

Remember that when I met E I told her that I was happy with the E. This girl wished me the best & good luck. And then my ex is out of my life & I contact this women & she is incredibly happy to hear from me & wants to see me.

So This girl has something over the others & I feel like I owe her in some ways. So I am pretty excited to see how it pans out with her. Her letters to me are really sweet and she also wants to have children & a happy home with a good man.

She is a kindergarten teacher. How sweet is that? I have a good feeling about her more than all of the others so far. But the others are also nice. I just have some history with this one.

WE WILL SEE!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Sounds like good logic RP. Take care, good luck, and best wishes in the new year.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Sounds like good logic RP. Take care, good luck, and best wishes in the new year.


You know GTR, I woke up today and had some breakfast & thought to myself

Am I really doing this again?

But then it hit me that the excitement of the unknown & what can happen when I do this again is in itself something to look forward to.

I'm hoping this next time out will be a success. Like I said before, I put all my eggs in one basket & only visited ONE WOMAN my last two times out.

This time I hope visiting 4 women will have the outcome of one of them reaching the FINISH LINE! But I know that it could be a no go on all 4 also.

We just have to see what happens!

And tomorrow morning I have a blind date with a Russian girl that is docked in my town working with my friend from the Ukraine.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
You know GTR, I woke up today and had some breakfast & thought to myself

Am I really doing this again?


HE HE HE - I know how you felt. Look at my first post about my next "adventure" after my divorce!

http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...?t=14829&page=1

Your recovery and thoughts have been the same as mine. I hope your next "adventure" is as successful as mine.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Well today I had a blind date with a Russian girl that my friend on the cruise ship introduced me to.

I picked her up qt 11:30 am at the ship port & my friend was waiting with her. I pulled up to them & she got in the car & I had some words with my friend & then I went to take her to have some coffee & cake. She only had 1 1/2 hours to be away from the ship.

She was very cute. About 5ft 2in and she also has a 10 month old daughter back in Russia that is with her mom.

I asked her about the father of her child and her reply was that he is a married man. I thought that was a little strange but I didn't make any negative comments about it.

We talked about alot of things. She has a tourist visa that is good until November & she plans on getting off the ship in March. Which means she can stay here in the U S for 8 months before she either gets another contract to go back on the ship or go back to Russia.

Being that is was almost New Years eve I told her she could call her mother from my cell phone & that made her very happy. She was telling her mom she was driving down Florida streets with an American man. I even wished her mom happy new year. But of course all she said back was in Russian.


I don't really know if I will see her again. I would like to, but if she doesn't think we have any chemistry I am OK with that also because I am really hoping to meet a girl with no children. I dropped her off and she said to me she had a great time & it was very nice meeting you.

She gave me her email addresses and I gave her my phone number. I can't call her cell because she has a Russian number & it will cost her a fortune if she answers it being she is in the U.S.

So maybe I will see her again next week when the ship docks here again.

Anyway I had a nice time. Sometimes the one you think isn't the one for you can turn out & be the perfect one. I'm being open about her. But right now I guess my friend will tell me what she thought.

We will see!

Who knows!


Posted by: goforit

RP, glad you are being open about her. The local russian woman I am talking to has a couple of children. Not my ideal but I am open to however it goes. The married man/baby thing would worry me though. What did she do? Have an affair with a married man so she could have a baby? Doesn't sound good but who knows until you find out the details.


Posted by: blucatz

RP, don't write off this girl just because she has a small child. The child is so small now it would almost be like it is your own if you two hook up for good anyway. Its not so strange that the childs father is married, I have many Russian friends here and they say its very common for married men to keep misstress's on the side. If you found her to be cute, maybe you should persue it and see where it goes. One good thing, she is here now and you don't have to travel to Russia to see her.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
RP, glad you are being open about her. The local russian woman I am talking to has a couple of children. Not my ideal but I am open to however it goes. The married man/baby thing would worry me though. What did she do? Have an affair with a married man so she could have a baby? Doesn't sound good but who knows until you find out the details.


I wanted to find out more about the married man but I left it alone for now. If I see her again I can bring it up again & see what she says. If she had a fling with a married man that surely is not a good thing. But so far we saw each other 1 time & I don't even know yet if I will see her again. My date with her was just something my friend wanted me to do to see if it could turn out to be anything. As far as I'm concerned, cheating is NOT GOOD in any culture!

But I don't really know the facts yet, but I am curious that's for sure.

We will see!


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I wanted to find out more about the married man but I left it alone for now. If I see her again I can bring it up again & see what she says. If she had a fling with a married man that surely is not a good thing. But so far we saw each other 1 time & I don't even know yet if I will see her again. My date with her was just something my friend wanted me to do to see if it could turn out to be anything. As far as I'm concerned, cheating is NOT GOOD in any culture!

But I don't really know the facts yet, but I am curious that's for sure.

We will see!


Well the one advantage you have is that she is already in the US. So you don't have to break the bank to find out whether or not she is the one.


Posted by: RRR

How much would internet service cost if she's living in Moscow? What about other large cities and of those in the Ukraine?


Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
The smartest thing I did was buy a computer for her. We now use Skype with web cams everyday. I was paying about $300 a month for phone card bills until I bought this computer. We have been using it for over 7 months so it has paid for itself. Now that her son will not be joining us until August, we will save more money!!! She also uses it to tak to her brother in a different city and a cousin in Moscow.

Of course you take a chance when you do this but afer I knew she was he one, it was a no brainer. Of course her son thinks I'm the greatest thing since Borsh for buying this computer!!!



Posted by: GoingToRussia

Purchasing Internet service was different in Russia. You bought a card with time on it. In Moldova you pay by the month for unlimited usage. I think high speed Internet is about $15 a month, cheaper if you pay for 6 or 12 months.


Posted by: Seaview

Quote:
Originally Posted by RRR
How much would internet service cost if she's living in Moscow? What about other large cities and of those in the Ukraine?



Examples for Moscow.

Akado - 840 roubles per month unlimited Internet access + 79 TV channels about $35

3s com - 600 roubles per month (unlimited, no TV) - $24

The examples above are what we call "on cabel" connection.

Unlimited ADSL tariffs in large cities (more than million people) will be from 250 to 800 roubles per month on average.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
Well the one advantage you have is that she is already in the US. So you don't have to break the bank to find out whether or not she is the one.


Not only is she in the U.S. but her contract is up in March & she has a tourist visa that will last until November. That means she can stay her 9 more months after she gets off the ship. She mentioned something about meeting an elderly couple who lives in Ohio and the couple and their family invited her to come & stay with them for a while. She said she is thinking about going there.

I haven't heard anything from her or my friend since I saw her a few days ago. I guess I will hear something in a day or two now that the holidays are over.

But I'm still questioning it also. But I'm open to see what might happen!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
Today I had a friend come over my house that I haven't seen in 25 years. He found me by accident and got my number from am old friend of ours. He lives in another state now but his parents are still living here. We had a great time talking about the old times.

he asked me what I have been doing the last 25 years and if there were any women in my life since then. I showed him some photos of all the women since I saw him last.

I the got to the last year where he asked about my ex from the Ukraine. I then showed him some photos and even some movies I took of her and I had a sadness come over me. If he didn't ask to see them I would not have showed him, but I did show him.

I told him the story & he couldn't believe it either. I told him I was writing & talking with some new women. He saw the K1 visa approval & he saw the movies of us together and he couldn't believe that she would back out at the last minute to come here and start a life with me.

I have to say it was a little uncomfortable for me to watch her in the movies I took & to look at her photos. After I put them away it all came back to me again & I am still amazed she did that. I hope she is OK.

The fact is she thinks & acts like I died and that's that.

I really never expected her to be that COLD. I would figure she could at least be my friend and have an occasional talk. But I really am surprised that the women I thought was an angel has put it in her mind to delete me from her memory banks.

I'm still talking with 4 or 5 new ones and a trip is planned for late March or April!


Posted by: GentleGiant

From the few I have dated, that is typical behaviour, once they make their minds up fzt! that is it; they dont ever look back and offer no explanations.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Consider yourself lucky ... my ex won't leave me alone! She says I am like family to her and she cares about my future. Yes it's nice to hear but I wish she wasn't in my life.


Posted by: GentleGiant

send her my way, I need a good loyal woman





























Joking!! honest!!


Posted by: JamesB

Heres a nice russian woman for you giant.lol

She says she can,t find a nice guy.Wonder why?

(Photo removed at the request of JamesB)


Posted by: goforit

RP, perhaps you need to get rid of all evidence of any relationship with her. Women are very cold hearted in that way, generally speaking once they make up ther mind its over, its over forever.


Posted by: GentleGiant

James?? Isn't she the spokesperson for Veet now??


Posted by: JamesB

I thought you would like her.She is very lolyal.lol


Posted by: GentleGiant

I have enough trouble with the hair on their head tickling my nose, without that lot!!!


Posted by: Pin Boy

that is sickening and in poor taste. please consider removing it. things like that literally make me nauseous. thank you.

pin boy


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit
RP, glad you are being open about her. The local russian woman I am talking to has a couple of children. Not my ideal but I am open to however it goes. The married man/baby thing would worry me though. What did she do? Have an affair with a married man so she could have a baby? Doesn't sound good but who knows until you find out the details.


Well today I talked to my Ukraine friend who is the waiter on the cruiseship. I was going to pick him up this morning so we could get some lunch and he told me his pass to get off the ship has expired due to him leaving back to the Ukraine in 5 days. He will return here again to work on another ship in the Middle of March.

I asked him if he talked to the Russian girl he set me up with. He told me she liked me and wants to see me again. I have all ready sent her an email telling her to call me or email me when I can pick her up again.

I also asked him what he knew about her having a baby from a married man. HE told me that the married man lied to her when they were seeing each other. The guy told her he was a single man and after she got pregnant he told her he was married. He said everytime he talks to her about it she cries because the guy deceived her into thinking that she was his only girlfriend.

Her baby is 10 months old and in Russia with her mother & sister.

So I am waiting to hear from her to see when she wants to do another date. She is here until March & then she has a tourist visa until November. I don't know how this one will pan out but I will see after taking her out a few more times. I need to see how or if it progresses into something more than it is now.

And I'm still communicating with the other 4 in the Ukraine also. And planning a trip in March or April.


We will see!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
Well it looks like my next trip will be to Sumy, Ukraine in the beginning of May. I will stay there 9 days.

Do any of you guys know what airport goes there to Sumy. I went on CHEAPTICKETS.COM AND I PUT IN MY DESTINATION CITY AS SUMY, UKRAINE AND IT DOESN'T FIND ANYTHING?

I'm sure I will have to land somewhere near there and probably get a driver to take me the rest of the way. I just don't know where I need to land 1st.

If any of you guys know the route to Sumy, Ukraine from Florida let me know please.


Posted by: GentleGiant

A lot of international flights only go to the really big cities, you have to take internal flights or the train from there.


Posted by: JamesB

Pinboy, it was homour and nobody else has complained.Perhaps you should remove some posts where people are abusive.!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

I think PinBoy only goes for the waxed look; he's not into "real" women :-p


Posted by: EasyTarget

EuroLine flies into Sumy from Moscow. BUT your better choice is to fly into Kharkov and drive up to Sumy.


Posted by: Pin Boy

my complaint is not with the attempted humor, it is that to me it is physically nauseating. maybe i just have a weak stomach, but it literally sickened me when i scrolled to that photo. that's the issue i have with the photo.

pin boy


Posted by: AkMike

That pic has been floating thru the web for years.. At first it was a tad shocking but now it's funny.


Posted by: Pin Boy

i can't imagine getting to the point of NOT being disgusted by it. i don't think it has a place here.

pb


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin Boy
i can't imagine getting to the point of NOT being disgusted by it. i don't think it has a place here.

pb



I agree with Pinboy that the photo is out of place on this thread I started called 4 Nice women to choose from, now what do I do?

What does that picture have to do with me communicating with 4 women!

I can see that it was meant to be funny, but at the same time it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hi Mike,

Since the author of this thread requested removing this photo, I ask you to remove it also.

Thanks for the your cooperation.


Posted by: AkMike

Are you asking me to ditch the pic GTR?


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes Mike, I would appreciate it. RoyalPalace, the author of this thread has requested it and other members of this thread do not appreciate it.


Posted by: AkMike

Uh,,, So sorry but I cannot remove it.



I didn't put it up and since I'm not admin or mod it's beyond my abilities.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Oops, sorry Mike.

JamesB, would you remove the photo please? I am "asking" as a memeber, not a moderator.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Poor James; everyone is picking on him while his lovely wife isnt here to defend him


Posted by: AkMike

Jealous Big Guy??? :P


Posted by: JamesB

[QUOTE=JamesB]Heres a nice russian woman for you giant.lol

If anybody has a problem with Hamsters im sorry but it stays!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Of James?? maybe (jammie git).

Still waiting for a piccy of a Danish being dipped in something very very hot!! ;-)


Posted by: Pin Boy

thanks james. much cuter!

pb


Posted by: JamesB

Now are you sure you dont have a Hamster alergy? Near fatal hamster accident as a child? LOL NO PROBLEM


Posted by: GentleGiant

It's a hamster??

I thought it was Richard Hammond without his elevator shoes on!!


Posted by: JamesB

If you mean the Hamster.Thats honey .She is 3


Posted by: GentleGiant

She doesnt look a day over 2 1/2. Must be all that clean living and Russian cooking!!


Posted by: JamesB

Hamster lover!!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Okay guys, let's give this thread back to RoyalPalace.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I got a email today from one of the 4 that I am communicating with and she told me that this was her last letter to me. She said she wanted to be honest & up front and said she has been writing to a few men & one of the men visited her during the holidays.

She said she liked him & he liked her and they told each other they would each stop writing to any one else.

She also said she plans on going to visit him in his country and she wished me luck in my search. She even told me that I was a great guy.

This must be a pattern that FSU women have. When they break up with you they tell you that you deserve the best and that you are a great guy. And at the same time they act like you died and never existed after they tell you that.

Then a few hours after that I called one of the women I am speaking with and we spoke for about 10 minutes. This is an English teacher. The only down thing about our talk today is that she had a good friend pass away yesterday.

I could tell she was in a down mood. I did my best to not press any relationship issues because she only had the funeral on her mind that is tomorrow.

She told me to call her in a few days. She was very nice & polite considering her situation with her friend passing away.

Well now there are 3 nice women. My kindergarten teacher sent me an email today also. I told her that I thought May 1st was a good time to visit her as she told me she had 9 days off from May 1-9th

Now she says that she has to be with her mom 5-6 of those days to go to plant crops or vegetables and she doesn't think it's a good idea for me to come that week. She said she will be exhausted & tired & wants me to see her looking her best.

She wants me to come in the summer to spend a month or 2 with her because she is a teacher & has off all summer.

What if there is no chemistry & it goes nowhere in the 1st few days. I will have to leave early and that could be a problem I am thinking positive also & hoping it will go well. But as we all know, we don't know what it's like until we are with each other.

So right now I have a women in Sumy, Nikolaoev & Odessa that I am talking with.

I can go to see the women in Odessa & then after I leave her get my driver friend from my last trip take me to Nikolaeov in an April trip. Possibly one week with each of them. Then in July go to Sumy & possibly Odessa & Nikolaoev, depending on how it goes of course.

I really want to spend time with all 3 and I will do that. I'm pretty sure that I can spend 2 weeks with each women if it turns out OK> If the women in Odessa bails out I will go to the 2 agencies that I know the managers of & look to see if there are any women I can meet while I am there. They give you the big book with the profiles and you tell them who you would like to meet. Of course they charge you $30.00 for each girl that comes to meet you.

But for now I am pretty much into the Sumy women kindergarten teacher. Then next is the English teacher in Odessa and then the English teacher in Nikolaoev.

We will see!


Posted by: JamesB

Good luck, it sounds pretty demanding.Im lucky i guess as i was never really looking for a russian wife.I just put my profile on out of interest and got one.

I take my hat off to you guys who go to visit these women , it takes a lot of guts.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesB
Good luck, it sounds pretty demanding.Im lucky i guess as i was never really looking for a russian wife.I just put my profile on out of interest and got one.

I take my hat off to you guys who go to visit these women , it takes a lot of guts.


It takes more than guts. It takes thousands of dollars to see if there is anything that is even possible. Sometimes I think I'm crazy doing this again. But I was never one to just throw in the towel.

I wish I had your situation. Some guys have all the luck. Didn't Rod Stewart say that! lol


Posted by: Raspberry

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesB
Hamster lover!!


Speaking of hamsters, did you know that "hamster" is a slang term for "Amstel" beer(from Holland)......I remember hearing someone in my family order "five hamsters, please" at this restaurant, while looking at a menu.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
Today I had a great phone conversation with 1 of the 4 women I want to visit. This one lives in Odessa and she is an English teacher. She speaks perfect English , as good as anyone in my hometown here in the U.S. She even speaks as fast as we do, surprisingly.

Well today I found out I have a good 9 days of no work in Feb. because I am ahead of myself. So what did I do about that?

I booked a flight to Odessa to be with the English teacher from Feb 4th- 11th.

Yes, out of the clear blue I said to myself, why not? I asked her if I came on that date would it be good for her and she sounded very excited. I told her I want to spend as much time as possible with her and she said she will have to work but when she gets out of work she will come right to me and be with me.

I will see if I can get her to take a few days off and offer to pay her daily salary. I don't know what she will say because she is a school teacher and I think it will be hard to get a replacement if she does not show up to the classroom for the kids.

We also have a full weekend together without her working so that is a plus.

Another positive thing about our talk was that I told her I was friends with the manager of a certain dating agency that her profile is on. It just so happens that she is also friends with this manager and I told her if she wants , she can ask this manager friend of ours about my character and seriousness.

She couldn't believe that I was friends with this women and I told her to ask the manager lady about me. I know this manager friend of mine will say only good things about me, so I think this could be a plus for me. My manager friend is a very caring and nice women who has always talked with me when I was in their city and I trust her very much. She has actually always been there for me when I had any questions about FSU women and things I should and should not do. Everytime I visit her she stops what she is doing to talk with me.

I also on my last trip in the summer payed her a visit and she asked me if I wanted to meet any person on her database. I told her NO, because I had a K1 visa going with my ex and it wasn't the right thing to do.

But the funny thing is that if it didn't work out with my ex I actually had this women who I am visiting at #1 or 2 for a backup.

The only thing was that I never contacted her until my ex and I broke up recently.

I remember when I took my 2nd trip to Odessa which was the 1st meeting to see E. Before I left the states I made a little backup list of women that I would like to meet in case it did not work out with E who I went to visit in the first place.

I told this to the women I am going to see and she asked me why I did not ask to meet her when I was in Odessa with my ex. My answer was that I was there to see E and it was looking positive with E and I felt it was the right thing to do .

And I also told her that if it was not going to work with E I had every intention of her being the 1st person I wanted to meet because of things I read about her on her profile and watching a little video clip of her on my computer. She was surprised but still sounded kind of excited that I told her that.

So tomorrow she is going to ask the manager of this agency about me and she will be surprised when this manger tells her that I had her as my 1st choice of people to meet if it did not work out with E.

So I am off to Odessa for the 4th time in just 16 days from today. And my waiter friend is back there now and will keep me company during the times I am not with this new women I am about to see.

It's crazy , but I was really not expecting to go so soon to meet any one. But I am and we will see again. Maybe it will be good and maybe not. But I always think positve and hope for the best.

I still have been talking with 2 other women. One in Nikolaoev and the one in Sumy who is really sticking it out with me and I feel is a very nice women. The Sumy women wants to have me come in the summer to see her. She said if I come before summer she can only see me for 1 or 3 days the max and then has to get back to work. I offered to pay her 2 weeks salary to take of 1 week and she said it's not the money that is the problem It is her boss who would fire her if she did that.

She even said if I want to come see her for 2 days in May she would meet me in Kiev and then go back to Sumy to get there in time to be at work. Actually she said May 1st and 2nd she could see me and then leave on the 3rd.

Do you guys think a 2 or 3 day trip is something I should do to meet her. I was hoping if I saw her for a week before summer and if it went good I would go to be with her for a month in the summer.

But to make that trip and pay that expense for 2 days I think is not good for me. I still am planning on seeing her, but I want it to be for at least a week or so. I just have to plan it and see when the best time is for her. She is another one afraid of the boss in a big way even when I offer her 2 weeks salary. She also said I would laugh if I knew her salary.

I have to say that I don't know how it will go on this trip and I am looking at it as a nice getaway without pressuring myself in all of this. At least I will see my waiter buddy and he is not working and I will always have company even when I am not with this women I am about to visit.

HERE WE GO AGAIN!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Glad to hear you are getting on with your life and leaving your past behind you. Good luck on your journey and yes, a 2-3 day trip woudn't be worth it to me.

I hope your flights are uneventful. Be sure to take Immodium with you!


Posted by: Chrismc

Goodluck RP, sometimes things happen for a reason, maybe this is what is going on here with the school teacher. It is also a great point in your favour that you will have a good recommendation by another lady. This happened to me once an agency owner asked me if I wanted to meet one of her best friends, she told me if she recommends me personally her friend will do whatever it takes to meet me, because she knows I will be ok, you cannot get a better recommendation than that.

Chris


Posted by: Raspberry

RP, I would imagine that you are doing better, despite all the pitfalls, than you would sticking to American women. The best of luck to you!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Thanks Rasberry & Chis,
I guess life goes on whether good things or bad things happen. I officially got my ex's K1 canceled & I'm doing it again. I wasn't expecting to make a trip now, but there are lots of things in our lives we don't expect.

So far I am going to meet one women on this trip, and I'll see how it goes. If it goes bad I can always still hang out with my waiter buddy who will be there to hang out with me when I am not with the women and I can always go to the agency where I know the manager and ask her to introduce me to a few that I might pick out.

But I am thinking positive and I'm not going on this trip thinking that everything will be as I plan. I learned that whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen and just go with it.

I spoke to my women today and I asked her if she talked yet with my manager lady friend. She said my manager friend couldn't talk because she was busy but another girl that works there told her that she was familiar with who I was and she remembered me coming to visit the office a few times to talk with her boss the manager of the dating agency. She didn't say if there was any positive talk about me. But she said she remembered me. So she will try again tomorrow to talk with her about me.

So 13 days and counting till I leave!


Posted by: Raspberry

It's certainly an adventure......but I could have settled for "boring" years ago.
To get something good, it takes a lot of work....


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I talked to my new potential this afternoon. She was asking me why it didn't work out with both women. So I told her that the 1st one last October of 2007 was just into getting presents and money.

She sounded a little strange when I told her this. she said it's natural for a women to like presents and attention. But when I told her that the women asked me for $250 to renew her passport and then asked me for $300 to get medical tests she kind of saw what I meant when I said that she wasn't good for me.

Then I told her I went to see E 2 times and she asked me why that didn't work out. I told her I thought it was working out until I got an mail from her telling me that I was a good man & I deserved to meet a women better than her.

She then said there is a saying in the Ukraine. When a man comes from abroad more than 2 times to see women, he is probably there just for fun and he is not serious about finding his life partner.

I then told her I don't agree with that thinking. I told her it could take someone 10 trips to find THE ONE. She then agreed that there is always 2 sides to everyone's story when things don't work out.

I got the feeling that because she knew I was in the Ukraine 3 times to see women that I am a player & not serious. I didn't tell her that I just had a K1 canceled. I'm going to take the approval letters with me on this trip and use them as a last resort if she says I am not a serious man in finding a life partner.

If she gives me any sign that makes me think she doesn't trust my intentions I will just have to show her that I was 100% serious about my ex and my ex is the one who out of the blue ended it.

Who knows what's gonna happen? I didn't really want to talk about the other 2 women but she wanted to know the facts. I told her some things but of course not every single little minute detail.

I had some flowers sent to be delivered tomorrow.

I'm taking this one slow & not rushing anything. Hopefully she will like the flowers and she won't interogate me anymore.

The truth is I don't want to talk about the 2 past women. I want to talk to her about her. I just think she is trying to read me & see where I am really at.

She said she refuses to meet any man who is not 100% serious.

She is meeting me so I guess she believes I'm serious. And I'm sure it helped a little when she talked to someone at the agency where I know the manager.

12 days and counting! And I'm off again.


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
I'm taking this one slow & not rushing anything. Hopefully she will like the flowers and she won't interogate me anymore.



It sounds like a good start RP! I wonder about your statement above though..
You need to remember that she's trying to find out as much about you as you are of her.. It seems only fair to me that she wants to know everything possible about you, just like you want to find out about her..
This is only a first date so details aren't really needed. Just the basics and fill in the details later.
That's one thing my wife has commented to me after we were married.. She liked the consistant explainations.. LOL, These are smart women with LONG memorys!


Posted by: deccie

i agree with you Mike.
They do like consistent explanations and they have llllllloooooooooonnnnnnngggggggggg memories!


Posted by: sidney

When I'd get the interrogation act I'd answer the questions and begin asking the same type of questions. Oft times they don't want to answer these difficult questions and try to move the conversation in a different direction.
Sid


Posted by: Chrismc

I personally think if the relationship has legs these types of questions need to be asked and answered honestly, otherwise you are on a hiding to nothing and could waste an enormous amount of time pursuing the wrong lady.

Myself and Irena were asking this type of thing within weeks of first communicating with each other, when we met they did not need talking about again, they were long forgotten and we were able to concentrate on ourselves and having a good time.

Chris


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hi RP, jut some food for thought.

1. If you tell her about the K-1, she will know you are serious.

2. If she talks to someone at the agency, she's bound to ask if you are seeing or writing to anyone else. You said you selected 3(?) women from this agency. Knowing RW the way I do, I'm sure they will say yes you are interested in other women. They may even put their own "spin" on it. Don't ask me why, they do this sometimes ... probably out of jealousy.

3. Be honest with her, tell her your relationship needs to grow and that you will make at least 1 more trip ... maybe more.

Good luck!


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Hi RP, jut some food for thought.

1. If you tell her about the K-1, she will know you are serious.

2. If she talks to someone at the agency, she's bound to ask if you are seeing or writing to anyone else. You said you selected 3(?) women from this agency. Knowing RW the way I do, I'm sure they will say yes you are interested in other women. They may even put their own "spin" on it. Don't ask me why, they do this sometimes ... probably out of jealousy.

3. Be honest with her, tell her your relationship needs to grow and that you will make at least 1 more trip ... maybe more.

Good luck!


Hi G,
I'm NOT writing to any other women from that agency. The women I am going to see is on about 4 different sites as many women are. I am writing to the other 3 that are on another site and have nothing to do with the agency where I know the lady manager.

I don't mind answering her questions at all. The only thing that bothers me is when I get that feeling that she thinks I might be lying to her. She finds it strange that I have been to the Ukraine 3 times and I didn't marry a women from there yet. I think she is thinking that I just might be one of those guys who go just for a good time or sex & that I might not be a serious person in finding my life partner.

I said to her that just because a guy goes to meet a women in a foreign country there is no gaurantee that there meeting will be 100% successful. And if it's not successful the man will try again until he finds the right chemistry and match. I don't really know if she agreed with that when I told her that.

I was honest with her & I told her my 1st trip was last October of 2007 and the women was I saw was not right for me. She asked me why. And then I told her a few things about how the women thru a fit when I didn't buy her something in a mall after only being with her for 1 day. I then told her the women asked me for $250 so she could renew her passport. I told her that the women asked me for $300 because she said she had a medical problem.

I told her that that all the things I mentioned happened within a 4 day period and that was very uncomfortable to me and thats why I did not want to be with that women.

And then my women would say that she understands where I would feel uncomfortable when the women kept asking for money but then she would say that she thinks it is a nice gesture when a man gets women gifts to show that he is interested in the women.

I told her I agree but I like to do it out of my own free will and I don't like to be expected to buy gifts on my 2nd day in a meeting when all we did was have dinner and a little talk.

I always like to get the women some things, but I don't like when I feel that it has to be on my 2nd day with her especially when I am going to be with her for 7-9 days.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have no problem getting a women some gifts in a mall but it really doesn't feel right to me when it is on DAY 2 of a meeting. I know there are no rules for when to to do something like this. But when a women expects me to start getting her gifts so quickly on day 2 when we hardly have had any time together it makes me feel that she is more interested in the material things and not my character. On day one all you have time to do is get into your apt and go eat and talk for a while. Then day 2 you wake up and go eat again and then talk some more. WHERE DOES " I MUST MAKE HER HAPPY & BUY MANY GIFTS ON DAY 2 COME IN".

Actually for me day 2 and 3 are where I must have great talks & communication & a feeling of calm , relaxed conversation and I get a feeling in my gut if there is a connection.

I just don't want to be judged by how fast I open my wallet to buy gifts. I need some type of connection at least conversation where I feel she is interested in knowing what I am about and my character.

I want the women to ask me about my life and my interests. You can tell when someone is interested in your comments and when they enjoy your conversation. I don't like when I am talking to someone and I know they are not interested in a thing I have to say and there is a feeling you get when you are wondering what is wrong here.

I told her I was going to give her money to take taxis to come see me and when she went home. She then said I hope you won't say that I asked you for money and tell the manager that I asked you for it.

I told her thats rediculous. I also told her that time is precious when I am there to see her. I said there is no way I would let her take a bus to me for 1 hour. And have her take a bus home for another hour. She lives 1 hour away from where I will stay if she takes a bus.

She then said she loved that I said it that way. I told her that just to have an extra 30 minutes a day with her was very important to me. She loved that.
I highly doubt that the women I am about to see is good time girl type.

She is a English teacher for 13 year old kids and from our talks she sounds very sincere in her affection for kids and people and her work. And my manager lady friend said that this women was a good match for me in her opinion.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
I personally think if the relationship has legs these types of questions need to be asked and answered honestly, otherwise you are on a hiding to nothing and could waste an enormous amount of time pursuing the wrong lady.

Myself and Irena were asking this type of thing within weeks of first communicating with each other, when we met they did not need talking about again, they were long forgotten and we were able to concentrate on ourselves and having a good time.

Chris


Hi Chris,
I really don't mind answering the questions. It's when I get the feeling that she thinks I'm not telling her the truth. She almost find it hard to believe when I tell her my answers. She thinks if a man goes to the Ukraine more than 2 times he is a good time guy. At least that is what impression I am getting.

I told her that my last 2 trips were to see the same women. And I get the feeling she thinks because the women did not marry me there must be something wrong with me.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Hi Chris,
I really don't mind answering the questions. It's when I get the feeling that she thinks I'm not telling her the truth. She almost find it hard to believe when I tell her my answers. She thinks if a man goes to the Ukraine more than 2 times he is a good time guy. At least that is what impression I am getting.

I told her that my last 2 trips were to see the same women. And I get the feeling she thinks because the women did not marry me there must be something wrong with me.

Well if thats what she thinks then you have to prove she is wrong. That is easy to do by showing her the Visa you applied for and more importantly by your actions when you are with her, so personally I wouldn't worry about it, you will be going soon, the best way to allay her fears is to show her what kind of guy you are.

Tell her that if you were looking in your own country and you met a girl twice and you didn't marry her does that also mean there is something wrong with you or that you are not serious, of course not. No one, especially in long distance relationships wants to make mistakes and if you are willing to make more trips to see the same women, doesn't that prove your true intentions?

RP do you use MSN with this lady?? I would recommend if you can doing so, it is very easy to clear up misconceptions and misunderstandings when you can answer each other instaneously.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Well if thats what she thinks then you have to prove she is wrong. That is easy to do by showing her the Visa you applied for and more importantly by your actions when you are with her, so personally I wouldn't worry about it, you will be going soon, the best way to allay her fears is to show her what kind of guy you are.

Tell her that if you were looking in your own country and you met a girl twice and you didn't marry her does that also mean there is something wrong with you or that you are not serious, of course not. No one, especially in long distance relationships wants to make mistakes and if you are willing to make more trips to see the same women, doesn't that prove your true intentions?

RP do you use MSN with this lady?? I would recommend if you can doing so, it is very easy to clear up misconceptions and misunderstandings when you can answer each other instaneously.


Hi Chris,
I just got off the phone with her and I she just got the flowers I sent her. Her whole attitude now is all positive. Unbelievable what flowers can do!
And Chris we talk on the phone now not by emails.

I also asked her if I can give her a weeks salary to spend more time with me. She said YES!

And I'm real happy about that. She is a teacher and gets off at 1 in the afternoon. But she has private students . She agreed to not see the private students that week I am there. So by 2 she can be with me all day and some part off the night.

It's looking better. Today's talk was great. She is really bubbly today. I guess it's the flowers!

I also found out that she had a K1 visa 4 years ago and went to England to live with a guy for 2 months. She then decided she was not sure and left him.

But today she actually told me she thinks she should have maybe married him. She said she thinks she made the mistake of wanting to much time to think about it. And then the man died a year later. I don't know how he died. I didn't ask yet. But she said he was a great guy. She was just not 100% sure at the time.

I don't know how to take that. I hope she is not going to think about him while she is with me. But then again I can see thinking about people we loose even years after we loose them.

I'm feeling pretty good about her. Who knows. I liked that today she asked me tons of things about where I live and my friends. I told her I was going to the beach tomorrow and she freaked.

She said she was jealous. I told her I can go to the beach 365 days a year where I live. And she was amazed with the weather that she has there now. It's 0 where she is.

I hope I can handle that kind of cold myself. I am writing this post with the a/c on in my house. And I will go out today in a t shirt & jeans.

Anyway, everyday is getting better with her. I am looking forward to our meeting. The crazy thing that comes to my mind about me talking with this women is that I wanted to meet her 1 year ago when I started seeing my ex. But it wasn't the right thing to do because the meeting with my ex was good on the 1st meeting.

But I remember always going back to her profile many times before I started with my ex. Funny how things turn out and the things that can happen.

I am hoping it goes well when I see her but it amazes me how I remember always going back to that profile of hers. And she has a video that I watched and I really thought she was a doll when I watched it. I like those better than the photos. It shows her walking and doing things around town. And also her speaking.

WE WILL SEE!

I see her in 13 days!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Sounds like things are on the right track RP. Yes flowers do wonders for their mood.

Nothing wrong with returning after a visa. It just shows she's and honest woman and not out to scam anyone.

Good luck and I wish you the best!


Posted by: Chrismc

Well things seem to be going well RP, you will soon find out anyway when you get over there. I hope everything works out for you and you both get on well.


PS Over Christmas it went down to -15C in Odessa and on their Christmas Day they had half a metre of snow, I know someone who was there. It was very cold where I was -15c and in the mountains just outside the city went down to -25C.......that is brrrrrr


Posted by: royalpalace774

Hi Guys,
I woke up this morning and checked my email as usual and the agency where I know the manager sent me 2 photos of my girl holding the flowers I sent her. I wasn't expecting any photos but it was a nice surprise.

The thing that really caught my eye in the photos was that my girl was dressed like a princess on her way to the grand ball. She was dressed like she was going to meet the Queen of England. Really elegant for a Monday afternoon. But I guess they all like to dress up no matter what day or occasion it is.

WOW! I ordered the flowers and I guess she went to the agency to pick them up. I ordered them on the agency website. And I am sure she got to talk to the manager lady friend of mine. I hope the manager told her some good things about me.

WE WILL SEE!


Posted by: AkMike

If she's getting all 'gussied' up for a picture just for you... That's a good sign!


Posted by: royalpalace774