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Scary How to be careful?
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Posted by: yosh

Hello

I have been reading about the good and bad here and its scary. There are so many bad women you have to watch out for. I keep getting emails(havent paid to open them) from alot of 18 and 19 year old. Not bad, but you mean to tell me ladies that young are trying to find a foreign husband at that young age? I think a high percentage might be scammers or up to no good. This is heavy. Toast to you guys who are fighting the front and trying hard to find that special women.
I dont know if I want to do this or not. I mean imagine meeting someone and thinking everything is good and than boom, I got the green card, bye.

I know guys meet good women here but its scary to do this.

Someone, tell me good positive stories and how to avoid the bad women

Posted by: GentleGiant

Hi Yosh, you don't say where the letters are coming from, have you read the threads about good/bad agencies and dating services.
There are sites dedicated to uncovering the scammers and any regular member here can give you advice about common scam letters and techniques.
The FIRST RULE of internet dating, and it applies to women from anywhere, including your home town, country etc is
DON'T SEND THEM MONEY

If they ask it is a scam
If they ask because their mother/father/brother/donkey is ill it is a scam.
If they say they have a visa to visit you it is a scam.
If they declare their love for you in the first few letters it is a scam.
If their English is perfect be careful
If they do not answer questions you ask them BEWARE!!
If in doubt post the emails and we will read them and give you our opinions.

If you can, if they write to you directly you can check the email headers to confirm where the email came from; I found my first scammer because her letters were coming from Newark, not Yoshkar Ola.

Elenas is a good site, although not perfect and I now use www.svetlanasbrides.com. Do not believe the stories about 18y/old marrying men in their 50's and 60's for love, it happens but mostly they do it to escape Russia, look for women 5-15 years younger than you, but above 25 years old as below this they tend to be dabbling rather than seriously looking.

Good Luck!!

(And wish me Good Luck, I am going to meet my dream woman in 35 days)

Posted by: Seaview

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If they say they have a visa to visit you it is a scam.

Not true. Or not always true. There are some reasons why a woman may have a visa to visit a guy.

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If their English is perfect be careful

Careful? Why?

Posted by: EasyTarget

If the English in the letter is perfect, there is a tendency that the letter has been sent to 1000's of people beforehand, and has been finely tuned. I never received a letter in perfect English from a woman where English was their second language.

Even from woman who worked as translators, or have lived in the US. Even Nadia who has lived in the US for over a year, will still make small mistakes.

Posted by: GentleGiant

It is VERY difficult for a single FSU woman to get a visa to visit the west unless it is for business. I have a friend who has been trying to get a visa to visit me as part of her degree course and despite the fact that this year she has already visited China, Serbia, Thailand and Spain, she cannot get a visa for the UK.
Getting a visa to the US is even more difficult.
As for perfect English, even I make spelling mistakes, and I AM English, only a translator is going to be writing near perfect letters, so if you start getting letters in very good English, especially if her profile says she only speaks a little it should be read as a warning sign.
One of the "Russian" scam artists I have come up against was working from the US; about as "Russian" as HM The Queen.
He had a Russian girl to talk on the phone, and pose for the pictures; but he was writing all the letters and raking in the money from unwary men. ( both since sent to prison.)

Posted by: Seaview

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Originally Posted by EasyTarget

If the English in the letter is perfect, there is a tendency that the letter has been sent to 1000's of people beforehand, and has been finely tuned. I never received a letter in perfect English from a woman where English was their second language.

Even from woman who worked as translators, or have lived in the US. Even Nadia who has lived in the US for over a year, will still make small mistakes.

OK. If we speak about really PERFECT English, no problem. I agree with you. At the same time, many women can write letters in fairly good English. I don't see anything suspicious in this fact.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by Seaview

Not true. Or not always true. There are some reasons why a woman may have a visa to visit a guy.

Careful? Why?

Yes they can get visa's, if the girl writes that she has a visa and wants to meet you on her trip, that's fine. If she writes that she can get a visa but needs you to send her $1500 or whatever - SCAM!!!

The rule of thumb is if you have not met in person DO NOT SEND MONEY, even if she says she has a visa! (or needs to pay for her donkey's false teeth or whatever!)

Why Careful? Because a man will spend lots of time, emotion (and $$$) so if it all turns out for nothing it can be devastating.

Posted by: Seaview

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It is VERY difficult for a single FSU woman to get a visa to visit the west unless it is for business.

or for tourism. Sometimes girls even have multy entry Schengen visas. They usually suggest Europian holidays instead of meeting in home countries

Sponsorship and invitations from foreign guys often cause problems and result in the refusal of visa to the UK unless it's a fiancee visa.

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As for perfect English, even I make spelling mistakes, and I AM English, only a translator is going to be writing near perfect letters, so if you start getting letters in very good English, especially if her profile says she only speaks a little it should be read as a warning sign.

Well, if a girl honestly admits she doesn't speak good English but hires a translator to write letters for her, how can it be a warning sign?

I write this post not to disprove your words but to show that internet dating scene is much more diverse than it seems at first sight.

Some girls can write letters in decent English
Some single girls can get a visa to the UK and a lot of them can easily get visas to EU.
The best universal rule that really helps is "never send money". Everything else depends on the situation.

Posted by: Seaview

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Originally Posted by freebird

Why Careful? Because a man will spend lots of time, emotion (and $$$) so if it all turns out for nothing it can be devastating.

You don't have to go to Russia or Ukrainia to spend a lot of time, emotion and $$$ and get the same result at the end.

Any relationship can be potentially devastating. Unfortunately.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by Seaview

You don't have to go to Russia or Ukrainia to spend a lot of time, emotion and $$$ and get the same result at the end.

Any relationship can be potentially devastating. Unfortunately.

Yes thats true, but if you meet someone in person you can usually get some idea, while you could go overseas to meet someone that you have been writing to for months, only to find that it was not what you expected, or worse, a scam. Then you might feel that the whole thing (& $$$) was just a waste and a big crushing let-down.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hi Yosh,

Yes it is a scary process and there is no gaurentee you will get a good woman. This process nis like playing the lotto ... but then any relationship is. The big difference is, BY LAW ... you have to support this woman during her stay in the USA until she becomes a citizen or has 40 quarters of work for SS retirement.

Each situation is different and must be evaluated. I would be more then happy to help you. If you don't what to "air your laundry" on the forum, send me a private message (PM) and I will help you evaluate your situation.

First start with a good website. www.freepersonals.ru is a free site and it is where I found my fiancee. Good pay sites are www.allsinglerussiangirls.com and www.elenasmodels.com.

Read as many threads on this forum and ask questions. I don't remember who told me this but they said, "The only stupid question is the question that is not asked". So, no question is stupid.

I'm here if you need me.

Take care and good luck!

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by yosh

Hello

I have been reading about the good and bad here and its scary. There are so many bad women you have to watch out for. I keep getting emails(havent paid to open them) from alot of 18 and 19 year old. Not bad, but you mean to tell me ladies that young are trying to find a foreign husband at that young age? I think a high percentage might be scammers or up to no good. This is heavy. Toast to you guys who are fighting the front and trying hard to find that special women.
I dont know if I want to do this or not. I mean imagine meeting someone and thinking everything is good and than boom, I got the green card, bye.

I know guys meet good women here but its scary to do this.

Someone, tell me good positive stories and how to avoid the bad women

Didn't you say in another thread you were getting the emails from Anastasia Web? I think you were sufficiently warned away from them in that thread.

There is a way to use Anastasia properly and keep from taking a huge hit in the wallet and minimizing the risks , but for a newbie I would say, stay away and go fishing elsewhere.

Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by yosh

Hello

I have been reading about the good and bad here and its scary. There are so many bad women you have to watch out for.

It's not all that many 'bad women' out there. But the ones there get alot of press time and you hear about the scams. I'd guess that the vast majority are real and good women. But you have to weed out the bad ones.
IF and when you find one of the good ones it'll be well worth the effort!

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by yosh

Yosh, two things.

There are lots of couples here who are perfectly happy with each other. i think we have more positives than negatives actually.

At the end of the day you can be done over by any woman. Whether she is from around the corner or from the other side of the world.

The best things I can say are:

You can't be scammed if you don't send money.

Use common sense. If there is a 10-15 year age gap exactly WHY is she with you? Why will she STAY with you as you get older?

Try to pick someone with as many life views and interests that are as compatible or in common as possible.

When you visit, Look, Listen, Learn. How does she treat her family and friends? How does she treat you? Is it the same? Do you like how she treats others? Personally, I think you learn a lot after your first fight.

Use your big head, and look on the situation as logically as possible.

It's no more risky than dating a woman from around the corner in the long term but with a few extra hurdles thrown in.

Posted by: GentleGiant

deccie, it was me who mentioned 5-15 years younger, not yosh. I gave that spread because there is no indication of his age on his profile, If he is 30 then obviously a 15 y/o is not good, but if he is 45, a woman of 30 IS an option.
People like JamesB have met and married much younger women, so it does happen, and they seem very happy so who are you to say she did not marry him for love??
Women 5-6 years younger than me have told me I was too young for them, my current love interest is 8 years younger than me and SHE wrote to ME first; my profile on Elena's ( now closed) gave the age range 28-38 (I am nearly 43),but the majority of women who responded were between 20 and 30, with a large(ish) number of teenagers and only very few older than 35.
I have had an 18 y/o pursuing me since I met her when she was 16!!, she is far too young although I was seriously tempted during the darker, lonelier days after Valeria said "No". She is very intelligent and modestly attractive, but like anyone that young, she lacks the depth and breadth of knowledge to satisfy in any area outside of the bedroom; if we are both still single when she reaches 22, then THAT will be a different matter!!! Until then we remain friends.

Posted by: JamesB

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Originally Posted by yosh

Mate, you could meet any woman anywhere and then its over very quickly , its the same end result.

Posted by: sidney

My story of meeting a rw is similar to JamesB's in that there is a great age difference that many here would call red flags. We've been thru some difficult times and we've stuck it out together. I would say our marriage is only getting better. Not that it was not ever good. It has been that and more since day one. So yes age differences do happen and even succeed. The same as they sometimes fail. Is it a greater rate of failure? I don't know or even care it works for me and even some of my friends. With what my wife and I've been thru she says she doesn't care about statistics. This from a recent occurance.
Sid

Posted by: TheWongs

I was living with a younger lady in Ukraine for a few months, but mine was one of the "failures". I think the failure was more due to personality difference than age difference. I noticed a lot of couples in Ukraine with a large age difference. It seems to be a lot more common than in the west. To be truthful, I had more of a problem with it than anyone else. Her family loved me being with her and her father is still one of my many good friends in Ukraine. Her father is 2 years older than me.

How to avoid bad women? If you find the answer, let us all know! I think it all boils down to a mixture of common sense and good fortune.

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by sidney

My story of meeting a rw is similar to JamesB's in that there is a great age difference that many here would call red flags. We've been thru some difficult times and we've stuck it out together. I would say our marriage is only getting better. Not that it was not ever good. It has been that and more since day one. So yes age differences do happen and even succeed. The same as they sometimes fail. Is it a greater rate of failure? I don't know or even care it works for me and even some of my friends. With what my wife and I've been thru she says she doesn't care about statistics. This from a recent occurance.
Sid

Personally I don't worry about the age difference all that much. The idea that couples should be close to one another in age is something which is very unique to the West and relatively new to the modern world. Most of the rest of the world does not see this as a problem. That doesn't mean you ought not pay attention to it. A woman's age is certainly important if you want to have children and a man's age often does reflect his relative maturity in the world, which usually comes later for a man than does a woman. And really large age extremes - like a guy 69 marrying a 25 year old - is kind of silly in my opinion (but whatever floats your boat) but a one or two decade difference is not unusual around the world and wasn't all that unusual in the US until about the middle of the last century, when the rising economic tide that started here and has been exported to many places started to show in earnest.

A woman from China once told me that the biggest mistake she made was marrying a man her own age (she is now 33 and divorced) because he simply was not mature enough for the demands of marriage.

Western men and westernized women seem to be the ones who have the most problems with it, even when a man is with a woman who insists it is not a problem at all.

In other words, IMO, the age gap issue really stems from a prior ideological stance, rather than from any real substantive obstacles that might keep a relationship of that nature from being a success. If two people see to it that their relationship is on an otherwise solid foundation, IMO and from what I have seen, age can be pretty much a non-factor.

just my .02

Posted by: GentleGiant

If we are honest, most of us men would like a good looking teenage GF, but when we do get them we soon realise that the only thing they are good for is looking at, they cannot hold an intelligent conversation and are crap in bed, expecting you to do all the work.

Even when I was in my late teens I knew this and rarely went out with any woman under 25 ( you can start the "Toy Boy" comments whenever you are ready), and often dated women in their early 30's; although I was always careful not to tell them how old I was(n't).
Even then I looked 40ish, so I am hoping I will still look 40ish for the next 20 odd years.

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

If we are honest, most of us men would like a good looking teenage GF, but when we do get them we soon realise that the only thing they are good for is looking at, they cannot hold an intelligent conversation and are crap in bed, expecting you to do all the work.

That seems like a huge generalization but I guess it depends on where you have been fishing. I don't consider women 21 and over to be teenagers, and the teenage period now common in the west is another one of those recent historical phenomenoms unknown to most of the world. You have a group of people who don't have much responsibility (other than attending school) and lots of mom and dad's discretionary income to use during their free time and its no wonder you have a lot of mindlessness and irresponsibility.

On the other hand I have met lots of 20 somethings, usually those who are working their way through college or helping mom and dad out in the family business, and usually from somewhere other than the US, who are quite responsible and quite intellectually engaging.

Posted by: GentleGiant

Who said 20 and overs were teens?? And I didn't mean bad behaviour, I meant they do not know enough to satisfy in any area except looks.
Perhaps I should have added "At some time most men...." etc If you tell me that at some point in your adult life you have not looked at some skimpily dressed girl of 17-24 and not thought "I could do with some of that!!"??

The reason most of the women I went out with were over 25 was because all the "normal" discos were full of 12 year olds, so I used to go to the "Over 25" disco, where you REALLY needed to look at least 25 to get in ( My friend WAS 25 and they refused to believe him where I walked straight in !!); so most of the people in there were 25-35 ( I was 17).
At that point I had already ( thanks to babysitting a neighbour's kids) read the book and watched the video of "The Lovers Guide" and looked through their copy of The "Karma Sutra", so I was not satisfied with the average teen girl's idea of good sex.
After several of them had said they could not cope with me, I switched to the older women who appreciate a man who gives good oral and understands the meaning of foreplay and post-coital play;and rarely looked back except to admire those tight teenage ass's.

Posted by: TheWongs

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

Who said 20 and overs were teens?? And I didn't mean bad behaviour, I meant they do not know enough to satisfy in any area except looks.
Perhaps I should have added "At some time most men...." etc If you tell me that at some point in your adult life you have not looked at some skimpily dressed girl of 17-24 and not thought "I could do with some of that!!"??

The reason most of the women I went out with were over 25 was because all the "normal" discos were full of 12 year olds, so I used to go to the "Over 25" disco, where you REALLY needed to look at least 25 to get in ( My friend WAS 25 and they refused to believe him where I walked straight in !!); so most of the people in there were 25-35 ( I was 17).
At that point I had already ( thanks to babysitting a neighbour's kids) read the book and watched the video of "The Lovers Guide" and looked through their copy of The "Karma Sutra", so I was not satisfied with the average teen girl's idea of good sex.
After several of them had said they could not cope with me, I switched to the older women who appreciate a man who gives good oral and understands the meaning of foreplay and post-coital play;and rarely looked back except to admire those tight teenage ass's.

Wow! Well said that man!

What's the "Karma Sutra"?

Posted by: TheWongs

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Originally Posted by TheWongs

What's the "Karma Sutra"?

I was KIDDING!!

Posted by: GentleGiant

At this point I must upset the Aussies

What is an Australians idea of foreplay??

Oi! Sheila!!

Posted by: GentleGiant

and advanced foreplay??

Oi! Sheila!!

You awake??

Posted by: TheWongs

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

Who said 20 and overs were teens??

You did. Or at least that was implied in your previous post when you said:

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and then in the very next sentence said:

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Even when I was in my late teens I knew this and rarely went out with any woman under 25...

Clearly it reads like you have lumped all those under 25 into the teen category. You may not have meant that but that is how it reads.

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And I didn't mean bad behaviour,

Neither did I and I challenge you to show me anywhere in my post where I said such.

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I meant they do not know enough to satisfy in any area except looks.

Yes I knew exactly what you meant, and it was that perception I was challenging among the 20 somethings, not the genuine teenagers.

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Perhaps I should have added "At some time most men...." etc If you tell me that at some point in your adult life you have not looked at some skimpily dressed girl of 17-24 and not thought "I could do with some of that!!"??

Looks to me, even though you denied it above, that you are once again lumping the 20 somethings in with the teenagers, or is 17-24 supposed to mean something else?

I find a lot of women physically attractive of all ages, it doesn't mean I want some immature something as my girlfriend. You mentioned previously about a teenage girlfriend, now you are talking about jumping in the hay with them. One can desire the latter (jumping in the hay) without necessarily wanting the former (have her as your girlfriend).

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The reason most of the women I went out with were over 25 was because all the "normal" discos were full of 12 year olds, so I used to go to the "Over 25" disco, where you REALLY needed to look at least 25 to get in ( My friend WAS 25 and they refused to believe him where I walked straight in !!); so most of the people in there were 25-35 ( I was 17).

Okay, thanks for the clarification but there is a big difference between a 12 year old and a 21- 24 year old, wouldn't you agree?

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At that point I had already ( thanks to babysitting a neighbour's kids) read the book and watched the video of "The Lovers Guide" and looked through their copy of The "Karma Sutra", so I was not satisfied with the average teen girl's idea of good sex.
After several of them had said they could not cope with me, I switched to the older women who appreciate a man who gives good oral and understands the meaning of foreplay and post-coital play;and rarely looked back except to admire those tight teenage ass's.

Well the nice thing about lovemaking is that in a good relationship it is like fine wine, it gets better with age. And if you have a willing partner and you are the more experienced of the two, it is pretty easy to get them up to speed rather quickly. Or did you think all those older women thought you were the greatest thing since sliced bread because you watched some video?

Posted by: GentleGiant

goforit, you cannot expect someone to suddenly become a fully mature person on the morning of their 20th birthday, as you say, people mature, but I never found much enjoyment in bed with a woman under 20 ( in the back of a car a few times, but not in bed), and it was not because I was not willing to teach them, or give them time to learn, at that age they think sex is a mechanical act, how fast can they do "IT", it takes a long time before they realise that the time before penetration and the time after are actually important.

As for being the best lover in the world, I know I am not, but every (mature) woman I have slept with has, at some point, told me that I was the most considerate lover they had known, I always took my time, made the effort to ensure they were enjoying themselves and to prolong that enjoyment until they could not take it any longer, using my hands, mouth,teeth, nose, tongue, and "Monty the Python":-)
I always made it fun and different, talked with them about what they liked and didn't like so I could adjust what I was doing, held them afterwards and kept kissing them until we were both ready to start again.
It has not been unusual for me to bring them to orgasm 5 or 6 times in an evening and again the following morning before I had to leave for college or work.
The usual cause of a break up with one of these women was them finding out my true age; several of them had children older than me.

It is the section that reads
"its no wonder you have a lot of mindlessness and irresponsibility" that made me think you meant bad behaviour;
it still reads that way to me; what did you intend the meaning to be??

The 12 y/o bit is an exaggeration, although I have run into 11 and 12 year old girls at Discos that are supposed to be 18 and over only, one tried to chat me up!!! Luckily my friend recognised her, we had performed a First Aid demonstration at her primary school a few weeks before, and that is how she knew my name.
I do not know about where you live, and I know the states are a lot stricter about the age limits; I have seen a group of 250 16-18 y/o US girls go wild when they realised how easy it was to get into a UK disco and drink in a pub ( I was a medic for an under 18 girls football tournament and the only man!!); but here the discos are full of 14-16 y/o children and many people over the age of about 24 avoid them like the plague, preferring to go somewhere that is a little stricter about the age of people trying to get in; that usually means travelling north to Birmingham, or waiting to the mid week "Over 25's" night.

Posted by: Spakoyna

Where's Ham when ya need him! Sheeze.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

GG2 don't ya think your going into way to much detail? I mean really. Making love (or sex if you wanna put it that way) is supposed to be a deeply personal thing and the way you are talking about it reminds me of the "big" boys at work, btw I work as a high school teacher and the "big" boys are 15 and 16 bragging about how long they can go for.

As for what an Aussie's idea of forplay is, well I am gentleman and I am NOT going to describe to the world what I do in bed (or out of it for that matter) with a lady.

Posted by: goforit

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

goforit, you cannot expect someone to suddenly become a fully mature person on the morning of their 20th birthday,

By the same token, there is nothing magical about your 25 year old cut-off. If a girl doesn't become fully mature on the morning of her 20th birthday (I think you mean 21) why then should we expect her to become fully mature on the morning of her 25th birthday, which is what you are implying. Is there some special hormone that automatically comes into play? I don't think so.

There is nothing magical about either age. My point was and remains that a woman who is handed and handles some responsibility during her teen years, will evolve into a fairly mature woman in her twenties, and is a different beast than than the typical western teenager who spends those years spending mom and daddy's money and not having much responsibility for anything.

And I never said anything about fully mature. You are adding something which isn't a part of the argument.

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as you say, people mature, but I never found much enjoyment in bed with a woman under 20 ( in the back of a car a few times, but not in bed), and it was not because I was not willing to teach them, or give them time to learn, at that age they think sex is a mechanical act, how fast can they do "IT", it takes a long time before they realise that the time before penetration and the time after are actually important.

I'm not sure where you are setting the bar, sometimes its 17-24, sometimes it is 12 and up, sometimes it is under 20, but it really doesn't matter, since once again you are using your experience, the pond you have fished in, as the basis of truth, making broad and sweeping statements about a particular age group.

I really am not interested in discussing the particulars of lovemaking among a specific group, only that a couple in love, as opposed to two people in the back seat of a car grinding it out looking to just get their jollies, can work these things out.

So I will just come back to my original and overriding point: women, who have had responsibility handed to them at an earlier age, either by choice or by necessity, are often quite engaging partners at a fairly young age. That by the way is easily observed among foreign women from many cultures, who have not had the luxury or the cultural imperative to live wild teenage years w/o much responsibility like many of us in the west. It also is a demonstrable historical fact. Women in general "get it" much faster than men.

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As for being the best lover in the world, I know I am not, but every (mature) woman I have slept with has, at some point, told me that I was the most considerate lover they had known, I always took my time, made the effort to ensure they were enjoying themselves and to prolong that enjoyment until they could not take it any longer, using my hands, mouth,teeth, nose, tongue, and "Monty the Python":-)

You know thats great and I will just have to take your word for it, but I'm not sure all the detail is necessary. Someone taught you and that can be repeated in any relationship where two people genuinely love each other, regardless of age - that is my only point.

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It is the section that reads
"its no wonder you have a lot of mindlessness and irresponsibility" that made me think you meant bad behaviour;
it still reads that way to me; what did you intend the meaning to be??

No I mean just what I said: mindless and irresponsible. Spending the bulk of their time watching tv, playing videos, hanging out with friends, getting in to silly trouble, not working, spending other people's money, no real responsibility, etc. Outside of school nothing is really expected of them. This isn't "bad" behaviour in the sense of criminal or something like that, it just isn't very productive behavior and leads to 20 something men and women spending their early adult years trying to find themselves or an identity, and in the case of many men, being quite immature well into their adult years.

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The 12 y/o bit is an exaggeration, although I have run into 11 and 12 year old girls at Discos that are supposed to be 18 and over only, one tried to chat me up!!!

So maybe those under 20 year olds you were banging in the backseat of a car were really 12-15 year olds who lied to you.

Been known to happen :-))

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Luckily my friend recognised her, we had performed a First Aid demonstration at her primary school a few weeks before, and that is how she knew my name.
I do not know about where you live, and I know the states are a lot stricter about the age limits; I have seen a group of 250 16-18 y/o US girls go wild when they realised how easy it was to get into a UK disco and drink in a pub ( I was a medic for an under 18 girls football tournament and the only man!!); but here the discos are full of 14-16 y/o children and many people over the age of about 24 avoid them like the plague, preferring to go somewhere that is a little stricter about the age of people trying to get in; that usually means travelling north to Birmingham, or waiting to the mid week "Over 25's" night.

Personally I don't think a disco is a good place to find a wife, and wouldn't be surprised at what you have found if that is indicative of the places you have been socializing.

But even in the states, 15 year olds with great bodies and fake ID can get in to many places, so it can be a problem here in the US as well. Nonetheless, why would anybody be fishing for a wife in those ponds? A woman who is 21 and serious about marriage is by definition more mature than any 20 something you will usually find in a disco.

JamesB's wife is 24 with a brand new baby and sounding like she wants more.

By your definition she married as teenager and is still a teenager, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: GentleGiant

Hi OZ, yeah it was too much, but someone is trying to get me going and is getting close.

Bad behaviour is BAD behaviour, where does it say that means Criminal.

25 is my personal preference based on experience, yes there are those below that age who are wonderful people, but I have only met one, and she was FAR too young for me.

I nearly did sleep with a 12 y/o once, very close call, she was 6` tall, easily 36" bust and talked and acted MUCH older; that was when I was in my late 20's and met her in an Over 25's night, so I wasn't expecting anyone that young.
As for meeting a future wife in a Disco, I agree it is a terrible place, but I did meet some nice women, and was gearing up to propose to one when she finished with me. (Anne , where ever you are I hope you are well).

In the Uk you do not need ID if you look anywhere near 18 in most clubs, so they are packed with kids, some clubs are strict but the vast majority know full well how old their customers are.
I went to a party at a local club in uniform once (St John Ambulance Brigade), I was planning on leaving the jacket in the cloakroom as I was arriving straight from duty, the bouncer on the door mistook me for a Policeman, sounded the alarm and they started chucking teenie boppers out of the fire escapes.

As you seem to be enjoying this too much to ever agree with anything I say I will not make any further replies.

Posted by: GoeastLJ

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

I nearly did sleep with a 12 y/o once, very close call, she was 6` tall, easily 36" bust and talked and acted MUCH older; that was when I was in my late 20's and met her in an Over 25's night, so I wasn't expecting anyone that young.

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As you seem to be enjoying this too much to ever agree with anything I say I will not make any further replies.

Glad you have decided not to go on - I am not a moralist, but I wouldn't sleep with a stranger, meaning that I would not mistake a 12 year old for someone older. A bit of a contradiction for someone who likes older women.

Posted by: GentleGiant

I was on the rebound, and only went to the club that night to drown my sorrows, she approached me , started talking and things got very "heavy".
I don't normally "do" first nighters, in fact I can honestly say I can count my lapses on the thumbs of one hand; but she was beautiful, eager, and willing.
And unless you were there you would not understand how much older and sophisticated she looked and acted, everyone in the group I was with was shocked when someone recognised her and her true age was revealed; the dress she was wearing must have cost �100's ( raw silk, blue, strapless), her hair and make-up looked like a professional had done it and; as I said, she talked and acted very maturely.
I had guessed her age at between 22 and 26!!!!

Posted by: Pin Boy

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

????? TWELVE ????? Not sure what to make of that! Were the braces on her teeth a giveaway?

Posted by: AkMike

I'd guess it was in direct proportion to the quanity of stout beer! But it does seem that there are alot more physically mature girls now than years ago.

Posted by: GentleGiant

last time, 6`tall, big chest, silk dress that look like a million dollars, better make up and hair than you see on the front cover of Vogue, no braces, no "little Princess" lunch box or Minnie mouse watch!!!

No talking anymore on the subject, even though it was 15 years ago, it is still embarrassing!!!

Posted by: AkMike

LOL, Ok that's fair to me.

Posted by: TheWongs

No minnie mouse watch? What were you thinking?

Posted by: GentleGiant

Posted by: Pin Boy

okay, okay...i give you credit for even admitting something like that. thank god, for both of you, nothing happened

you're a good sport!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

last time, 6`tall, big chest, silk dress that look like a million dollars, better make up and hair than you see on the front cover of Vogue, no braces, no "little Princess" lunch box or Minnie mouse watch!!!

No talking anymore on the subject, even though it was 15 years ago, it is still embarrassing!!!

I don't expect, nor do I want, a reply but I understand why you would be embarrased. Mate, the odds of this 'kid' being 12 and looking how you describe are phenominal bordering on damm near impossible. Lets just say I have seen many "tall" 12 year olds but never one that was 6' tall and had a fully developed chest.

Posted by: GentleGiant

Oz, I work with children these days and I am looking after a NINE year old ( nearly 10 now), who is 6` and rapidly heading towards an enormous chest, I had to gently suggest to her parents LAST YEAR that perhaps it was time they bought her a bra; my friend is looking after a 13 y/o niece and she is 6`3" and can easily pass for mid 20's AND has the intelligence to talk the talk if she so wishes.( doing her "A" levels in UK 6th Form).
If you want evidence of girls that age with "big uns"; look up an old (illegal) Porn Video starring Traci Lords, she was 13 when she started doing Porn films and nobody twigged until she announced her 18th birthday 5 years ( and hundreds of films), later.

Posted by: AkMike

Good Lord .... What are you putting in their food??

Posted by: GentleGiant

They do seem to enjoy my cooking, although the only thing I ever add that the usual cook doesn't is a little garlic in cheese sauces if the cheese is not particularly tasty, and some cinnamon in the apple crumble.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Good Lord .... What are you putting in their food??

Dinosaur hormones!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Good Lord .... What are you putting in their food??

It is the nuclear waste in the NorthSea that makes them grow big in the old country!!!!!

GG2, I'm not having a go at you but it is an extreme rarity to grow that tall at such a young age, yet you are giving quite a few examples. I'm not saying I don't believe what you are saying, what I am saying is that to me at least what you are describing is an unheard of.

No wonder British schools are having trouble, the kids are bigger and more mature than the adults

Posted by: GentleGiant

I am talking about one girl in the 1000's we have looked after in the last 15 years, she just happens to be current, and one friends niece, although going back 20 years I could give other examples.
Although this girl is fairly extreme, Worcestershire does seem to grow them big, there are plenty of 9-10 y/o girls who you would think were 13-14 y/o, and plenty of busty but short 12-14 y/o's.
My friends niece is from Australia, over here because she is too bright for Aussie schools, nowhere there she can take her "A" levels etc because of her age; her younger sister is even smarter and has won scholarship offers from all the top Aussie schools.

The size thing goes both ways though, we have some really tiny boys and girls, a friend of my son (15) is about the same height as your usual 8 y/o; though I put that down to his diet of 90% chocolate/10% crisps and my eldest niece (9) is not happy that her younger sister (7) is already cm's taller than her.

Posted by: sidney

GG2, I've seen some examples as well. I remember my friends sister at 13. She had a busty near perfect body. She'd ride her bike wearing a white bikini to get reaction from drivers. Unfortunately by the time she was 18 she started to look like mom with gravity taking a toll.
Sid

Posted by: GentleGiant

That is the problem, a friend's sister sprouted at 12; 6`2" slim and busty by 14 y/o; 6`4" not so slim and VERY busty by 16 and now looks like a Bulgarian Weight Lifter, she was such a pretty girl; had a crush on me since she was about 6!!! In her late 20's and happily married now.