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Svetlana's of Kyrygzstan

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Posted by: GentleGiant

Introduction

After trying Elena’s for nearly a year, writing to many women, arranging to meet 6 and only managing to get one to show up I was a little disillusioned, as well as being a lot poorer; as a Nursery Nurse, I do not earn shed loads of dosh, so when I saw Khashyar’s post about free dating sites I thought I would give them a try.

After going through the list and striking out on several of them, sites not working properly or in one case only the Russian language side, I came to Svetlana’s.

First Impressions

The opening page shows a picture of a smiling woman in a bridal gown and tells you that access to the women is free; there is no charge for writing. As it happens there is no charge for translation either although she operates a “Honour” system where she asks if you will help your lady pay for her services; no come back or removal of service if you decline although the payment options are a bit limited; no way to use credit or debit cards. I tried several times to make a payment but failed; I ended up sending my lady a prepay credit card, so she could draw the money and give it to Svetlana.

One thing that is not mentioned, and I only found out when I told Svetlana I was meeting “Y” in Dubai, was that Svetlana would like a “Finders Fee”( if we “click”) of $400; not really a lot after you read about her service; again this seems to be on a “Honour” system, no obvious way to make you pay other than the thought that you probably would not get the same level of service if you needed to use the site again.

On entering the site you are shown a picture of the latest marriage of one of her “Girls” and a navigation menu. To view the women there are only two options “Ladies Over 30” and “Ladies Under 30”; there is no search option, and the profile pictures do not appear to be in any order, you click through the pages looking at the photos until you find one you like; clicking on it gives you a few pictures and a little biographical information and requirements, although these are not strict, I do not meet several of those posted by my lady, but she still wrote to me!!. The small photos on the left can be clicked to give you a larger version (sometimes).
There is also a button marked “Send me email” which will open your email program with Svetlana’s address filled in and the subject line “For {Name of Lady (id number)}”; use this for mail to any lady through Svetlana’s to make sure it goes to the right one!!
At this point all letters go through Svetlana, who will let the woman know she has a letter and either keep it or translate it as required. The reply will come the same way unless the woman uses her own email address. The women I have written to have mostly used Svetlana even when they have their own address because she is a friend to them ( more on that later), only asking me to use their private email for sending photos.

As well as access to the profiles, the left hand side of the page gives access to other services Svetlana offers, a little about Svetlana herself, a wedding gallery, and links to various Kyrgyz Sites, few of which are up to date, even the Official Government Tourist site is several years out of date.

The Profiles

The first thing you notice is that unlike most dating sites, there are no studio pictures, all the pictures are normal family or friends shots, so the women do not look as good as you will see on most sites. These pictures can be very deceptive as Svetlana is not too strict in keeping the photos current; one of the women I wrote to was using a photo taken when she was 30lbs lighter and at least 10 years younger.

As with most amateur photos, there are a lot of slightly out of focus or taken from angles that do not flatter; these are real women and represent a wide cross section of Kyrgyzstan’s population, from attractive to scary :-O

The Service

Svetlana’s is exactly what is says, a dating site run by Svetlana, as far as I can tell it is run from her personal apartment and all of the women on the site are known to her. Many of them count her as a friend and I know she takes good care of them; I got a letter scolding me for writing to two of them at once!! One of the women I was writing to turned up to check her mail a few weeks ago and was invited to join Svetlana at the Halloween party the US Embassy were throwing, Svetlana even gave her somewhere to sleep because it was too late to safely travel home and took some photos to send to me.

Svetlana considers herself to be a matchmaker, and has shown my details to several women even though I had not given them to her ( cribbed from a letter I sent to someone else I suspect ), the first time this happened I was mortified, I did not like the woman ( too old and rather scary looking ), but did not want to hurt her feelings, so I sent Svetlana a stern ticking off along with a letter explaining exactly what I was looking for in a wife.
She did apologise and since then has used the information I sent her to choose more appropriate matches, so far they have been pretty good although one turned into a bunny boiler when she found out about the other one I was writing to.


My Experiences

Like on most sites I initially sent out lots of introductory letters to the women I liked from both sides of the “30” divide, but received very few replies, and only a few resulted in an exchange of more than two or three letters and eventually even those petered out, at that point I received a letter from “Y” after Svetlana had shown her my profile. Now my first thought was “ I am going to strangle that woman” as I had told Svetlana not to do it again; but as it happens I had looked at this woman’s profile and only decided against sending her a letter because she was a Muslim, so I replied, explaining I had looked at her profile and why I had not written.

The reply contained a sharp ticking off, because she thought I was anti Muslim, so I had to eat humble pie and explain I only thought that as I was a Christian SHE would not be interested in ME. Once that was out of the way we started writing every other day and she gave me her address, telephone and private email address.
At this point Svetlana stuck her oar in again and showed my details to another woman who promptly wrote to me saying I was just what she was looking for!!! I explained I was writing to someone else already, did she mind?; and got a gushing letter about my honesty in reply.
So I was writing to both of them every other day and phoning them every weekend ( THE EXPENSE!!!!), when I got the scolding letter from Svetlana !!! I sent both of them prepay cards to pay Svetlana and everything was fine and dandy, I arranged to meet “Y” at Christmas and “Z” at Easter, both knew about my arrangements and both were, if not ecstatic, at least OK.

At this point in time I had only the profile photos and a few old blurry snaps from either woman ; if I use the Lads Mags Rating System© “Y” was 6.5 and “Z” a 6.0; they had seen the best shots I had of me ( Shrek’s Older, Uglier Brother), both were charming and interesting to write and talk to; same age but totally different personalities and jobs; “Z” was a fair bit heavier than “Y” but more outgoing and very eager to meet me.

Too eager,


Halloween Horror Story

I presume “Z” managed to find out about who I was writing to while at Svetlana’s on the night of the Halloween Party, because the day after, on the phone, she started asking me to meet her first; this was followed by letters saying that “the other woman” was so beautiful that once I had met “Y” she would take me to her bed and I would forget about her (Z).

Now when she started on the phone I explained I had already promised and that I kept my promises, after the first email I replied the same, adding that I did not intend having sex with either of them until I had meet both.
( OH God, I actually promised that !!??!!)

When the next email arrived accusing “Y” of being a drunk I told her it was over and then wrote to Svetlana explaining what had happened; I did not think for one moment the “Y” was so beautiful she would “turn my head”. Svetlana replied and said she would have words with “Z” about her behaviour and that there was a chance that “Z” knew who “Y” was, so I then wrote to “Y” warning her and telling her I had stopped writing to “Z”.

“Z” was very happy to know I was writing to her alone, and much of the reticence she has had in her letters and conversation was gone; within a few days she sent me a “Good” photo of her taken this summer at a friend’s party and we are talking and texting several times a week as well as planning to meet in Dubai this Christmas.

Consider My Head “Turned”

The photo,,, hmmmm “Z” MUST have seen “Y”, either visiting Svetlana or by going and checking her out; because the photos in her profile show her as a 6.5, as I said earlier, but the photo I now have as my Windows Wallpaper shows her as a 9.5!!!

This woman is gorgeous!!!!

How can that be?? How can a woman this attractive be such a warm, intelligent and spirited person ? I have never met anyone in the UK who looked ½ as good who was not self centred, egotistical or brainless ( usually all three).

I am not exaggerating about her looks, From talking over the phone for many weeks I already knew about a friend of hers who was working in New York as a model, so when I suggested that this friend could easily get “Y” some modelling work, she admitted that the friend had offered but she did not think she was that good looking!!

Panic Mode !!

Now I had already agreed to meet “Y”, and was not too bothered about my appearance, she has seen my photo’s and I had told her I was slowly losing weight after several years of injury; but when that photo arrived, the first view of her felt like someone had stuck a Taser up my bum !!

I am now panicking about my appearance; I am flying out in 39 days and am trying to get as fit as possible, while not causing further injury. I had already started swimming again, my favourite exercise but one that really hurts my back; and I had had to ride my bike to College for my degree course the week before and had been pleasantly surprised at the lack of heart attacks .

So I made the decision to take the bike every week and increase the length of my swim sessions and go more often, 3 times a week if possible!!; riding the bike on Tuesdays to college and either Saturday or Sunday just to the pool; both journeys nearly the same at around 34 km.

I managed to increase the swim from 1000 metres last week to 3000 metres this Thursday and will hopefully reach my target of 5000 metres per session before next weekend. My weekly weigh-in showed I had lost 3.5kg ( 7.7lbs) in the week, although strangely my body fat and muscle % index have stayed the same. I suspect the scales do not work properly because of my dry skin; I cannot get any reading unless I “wet” the contacts. The weight loss is confirmed by another set of scales though.

The Final Countdown

39 days and counting, I have spoken to “Y” today, and last night, and will call her after my swim tomorrow; every thought about our meeting causes my stomach to churn. I really, really want her to like me.

To be continued…


Posted by: GentleGiant

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Posted by: deccie

Nice story GG2. Your tale is one reason why I went WOVO.
Yes, i know the odds are against it but jeezz.. managing all these women and their insecurities.. it was far easier knowing I just had ONE to deal with.

good luck with the actual meeting!


Posted by: Chrismc

Yes great story GG, I hope all works out for you with 'Y', is sounds like she has started to reel you in already


Posted by: sidney

Good start but the real story will start when you get off the plane. I'm sure all will work out for you. We are wishing you the best.
Sid


Posted by: sidney

Your exercise program is good but should include some walking. You had better be able to walk several miles a day because that is probably what you'll be doing when you get there.
Sid


Posted by: GoingToRussia

You need to relax GG. You're phyching yourself out. You got her by being yourself. So settle down, act natually, and I'm sure everything will be fine!

Good luck and I'll be waiting for your trip report.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Well I am sitting here slightly crippled after a 36km bike ride and 3750 metres in the pool, it should have been 4000 but the stupid pool opened 90 minutes late and there was not time before I was due to call her again.

I know I am psyching myself out, but she is seriously gorgeous and I want to look as good as I can, I know she had written to me for my sparkling wit and warm caring nature, but that does not mean she wont appreciate a firm butt as well!!

Although it is more numb than firm at the moment, OOOwwww!!

At least I know I am fitter than my 15y/o son; I had to stop and let him catch up 6 or 7 times and he only swam 250 metres before claiming he was too tired to continue.

She is not going to Dubai until the 19th now, because of her mother being ill, so I will only have a few days for her to tell me where she is staying and arrange some flowers for her birthday, I am thinking 35 red long stem roses as it is her 35th.
I am lucky it is not her 36th, her mother is Russian so I presume she has the same belief that an even number of flowers is unlucky; I still know very little about Kyrgyz culture and my biggest fear ( after my flabby unfit body ) is dropping my foot in it on some cultural matter.
Hopefully the huge bunch of roses should give me a few brownie points; I am also going to take a few home made cakes and a portable dvd players with some romantic films for the evenings as I am unsure what the local cinemas will be showing.
I am going to feed her home made chocolate fudge cake while we watch Sleepless in Seattle


Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
No Comments??

Good story GG, and great info on the agency!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Svetlana really seems to take care of the women on her site, there is no chance of meeting a Boris or, I would guess, any other scammer; even a GTG would not last long I suspect.
It is a pity she has not made payments easier because I would use her for sending T flowers etc; as it is I would have to make a bank transfer and suffer a £21 charge from the bank.

She does not overcharge the girls either, T told me the local internet cafe costs the same as Svet charges to write. send, or receive and read an email.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Another nice touch would be flowers for Mom too ... not as many of course, 5-7 will do!

Don't worry about the culture. If you do something wrong thay will tell you and forgive you. Please dont whistle while you are inside. This sets them off faster then anything!

We also watched Sleepless in Seattle. Splash in another good one because it is about a "foreign woman coming to the USA and she doesn't know how to speak English. My fiancee also liked Wedding Crashers.


Posted by: EasyTarget

GG:
Can fully understand the idea of wanting to be in great shape before you arrive. But in reality you can only do so much. You won't die that is for sure. Do as much cardio work as you can. I would also suggest doing as much walking at nighttime as you can.

The other thing that can help with losing weight is increasing muscle mass. Muscles require higher amount of calories to maintain their level. So 30 minutes of free weights, of if you don't have free weights, push ups, crunches, leg lifts, will able firm up some muscles.

With regards to cultural issues, you didn't mention if her father is alive / or maybe an older brother / or uncle? Muslim traditions (and I don't know how orthodox she is) require the male approval before she can date / marry you. No drinking, no smoking, no cursing.


Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Another nice touch would be flowers for Mom too ... not as many of course, 5-7 will do!

Yes, this is important! Don't forget the mother!


Posted by: GentleGiant

The Parents are a problem, both elderly (70's), and both ill. Although T's son knows about me, she has not told them yet, I think she is waiting to see how we get on before saying anything. btw I know I have been calling her "Y" but force of habit makes me call her "T", sorry about any confusion, I have even accidentally posted her real name somewhere in one of the threads.
They are not strict Muslims, in fact T's mother is Russian Orthodox, having arrived in Bishkek from Siberia many years ago; so I do not think religion will be a problem, more that their darling youngest daughter may move to the other side of the world.

Thanks for the no whistling tip GTR, I am an inveterate whistler, can I hum instead??

Meeting parental approval should not be too hard for me, I don't drink much or often, I have never smoked and I usually only curse when dropping something heavy on my foot; and working with children has curtailed much of that.

I will take steel toe cap shoes just in case ;-)

As it stands I will not meet the parents until my 2nd trip, tentatively planned for Easter; if all goes well this first trip I will ask DAD for his daughter's hand in marriage then.
My biggest concern after "Will She Like Me" is if I pop the question, will her son want to stay in Bishkek or move to England. He is 16 now and starting College, he could do that here except he speaks no English, so moving would put him back a year. Still, that is a long way in the future, she has to fall in love with me first.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

You're welcome GG, I think humming is accepted!


Posted by: GentleGiant

A quick update, although there is not much to tell, T flew off for Dubai earlier today, and I hope to hear from her tomorrow, with a phone number I can call and an address I can send birthday flowers to. I had to tell her I was going to send something because her birthday is only a few days away and it takes 48 hours to be sure an order will be delivered on time, she is expecting a small arrangement so the 35 long stem red roses should be a bit of a surprise.

I have had a letter from the "other" woman I was writing to through Svetlana's, I think Svet has had a talk with her; it was very apologetic and subdued. I explained that I did not think we matched temperamentally but wished to stay friends, and had a reply wishing me well. I hope she can settle herself down and find a good man, she has a lot to offer but lacks self confidence even more than I lack it!!

I am in subdued "Panic Mode", over my visit, I have bought a few gifts on the assumption that she will expect something, I do not really know how like the Russian's they are in culture, better safe than sorry!!
I have a few "joke" presents, a "Shrek" lunch box and statuette, an English Gollywog and a few souvenir type gifts from Malvern and the UK in general.
I also have 3 "good" presents that I hope will go down well, a green onyx and silver bracelet, a beautiful shimmering red and green scarf with gold detailing and the piece de resistance, a set of Moonstones, a necklace, pendant earrings and ring in silver and containing 31 good Moonstones.
If I can get it on the plane I am also planning on taking an Orchid or lilly plant for her apartment in Dubai.

Oh and some home made cakes, she loves chocolate ( what woman doesn't?) and I make a dreamy chocolate fudge cake!! I had better not make it too well though, or she might suspect I had bought it!! so several thick, unevenly cut slices in an airtight box I think.

One piece of jewellery I will be taking but wearing around my neck and not being offered ( yet) is a (jinxed), engagement ring; to remind me what an idiot I can be with women and to stay cool and not blow it!!!
If she spots it and asks I will tell her the same.

28 days 19 hours and 32 minutes till takeoff.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Why is she leavng so early?


Posted by: GentleGiant

Her company is sending her out there to work for three months or more, that is why i am going there. I had planned to fly to Bishkek before she was told she was going.

until two weeks ago she did not even know where she was going, she was expecting a neighbouring country and was a bit shocked to be told Dubai.

At least it will be a lot warmer than Bishkek!! although a lot more expensive, I have just applied for an extra credit card to be safe!!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Oh wow!! I have just read up on moonstones and it seems I have made the perfect choice!!. All I have to do now is ensure I give them to her at the right time, which would appear to be 5:16 am on the 24th of December... bummer , that is not going to be easy.

I bought them because I thought they were very pretty, but apparently they represent almost exactly the things I want to express to her about my feelings towards her and my wishes for the future; synchronicity or what!!??!!

http://www.crystal-cure.com/moonstone.html


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Thanks for the web page GG. I bought my mother a moonstone ring many years ago. When she died it was returned to me. I plan to give this to my bride. I will share this website with her.

Thanks again and good luck in Dubai! A fellow member named Deccie is in Dubai now. He's from Australia.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
Oh wow!! I have just read up on moonstones and it seems I have made the perfect choice!!. All I have to do now is ensure I give them to her at the right time, which would appear to be 5:16 am on the 24th of December... bummer , that is not going to be easy.

I bought them because I thought they were very pretty, but apparently they represent almost exactly the things I want to express to her about my feelings towards her and my wishes for the future; synchronicity or what!!??!!

http://www.crystal-cure.com/moonstone.html


GG2 is your lady superstitious?, just wondered


Posted by: GentleGiant

I'm not sure !! but giving her these at the right time will give me the answer.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
GG2 is your lady superstitious?, just wondered

Is the Pope Catholic!


Posted by: GentleGiant

you missed out
"Do bears crap in the woods??" :-)


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Do Brits prefur tea over coffee?


Posted by: GentleGiant

I like both, but in separate cups, combined them once by mistake (shudder).


Posted by: Northernlight

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
Oh wow!! I have just read up on moonstones and it seems I have made the perfect choice!!. All I have to do now is ensure I give them to her at the right time, which would appear to be 5:16 am on the 24th of December... bummer , that is not going to be easy.

I bought them because I thought they were very pretty, but apparently they represent almost exactly the things I want to express to her about my feelings towards her and my wishes for the future; synchronicity or what!!??!!

http://www.crystal-cure.com/moonstone.html


GG
Thank you for the pleasurable reading...will say a prayer for you, let's hope for the synchronicity and not the


Posted by: GentleGiant

I've uploaded a cut down version of the photo Tahmina sent me to the members gallery; keyword search "Tahmina".


Posted by: GentleGiant

Feeling a bit pensive today, T has not been in contact, other than a quick "Arrived!" since Tuesday, I was supposed to be sending flowers for her birthday but with no idea of where she is staying I have not been able to.
I have not been able to concentrate all day, and dive for the phones if one of them goes off, hoping it is her.
I know she needs to buy a new phone, and settle in, but I am getting worried!!

If she does not call by tomorrow evening I am going to get really worried.

And if she does not have a really good excuse for not calling, she can expect a spanking when I get there!!!

Am I being a bit sad or should I worry about my lady being alone in a strange country?


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
Feeling a bit pensive today, T has not been in contact, other than a quick "Arrived!" since Tuesday, I was supposed to be sending flowers for her birthday but with no idea of where she is staying I have not been able to.
I have not been able to concentrate all day, and dive for the phones if one of them goes off, hoping it is her.
I know she needs to buy a new phone, and settle in, but I am getting worried!!

If she does not call by tomorrow evening I am going to get really worried.

And if she does not have a really good excuse for not calling, she can expect a spanking when I get there!!!

Am I being a bit sad or should I worry about my lady being alone in a strange country?

By tomorrow if she has not been in touch, start gatting your camel ready for a trip I am sure she is OK, she may not have found her bearings yet and/or internet access, or a phone etc.

...and when you do catch up with her, you can give her a double spanking, just for the hell of it there does that make you feel better


Posted by: GentleGiant

I am a worry wart I know, but she knew I wanted the apartment address asap so I could send flowers for her birthday. What woman turns down the chance for flowers??

I still cant concentrate, I should be reading my text books or listening to my Russian language course, but all I do is wander up and down stairs, poking the fire, making cups of tea and then ( because the mug is a litre in size), going for a pee!!

Anyone got a lovesick puppy smiley they can upload for me to use?


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Here you go GG ... It is the word Puppydog with colon at the beginning and end of the word!


Posted by: GentleGiant

I had that one down as "leghump" rather than puppylove lol

Still no word :-(


Posted by: GoingToRussia

What's the difference?


Posted by: GentleGiant

Right now I cant think of a funny answer.

No contact still, I have emailed a friend to find out if she has called home. If she has run off with some rich Arab I will be gutted, but I would rather know than worry something is wrong.

Right now I have a very bad feeling.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Update.

Heard from Svetlana a few hours ago; Tahmina has not called home since her arrival on Tuesday.

I am now very worried, you would expect her to keep in touch with her son and check that her elderly and terminally ill father is OK.

Her sister is trying to contact a friend in Dubai and I am waiting on any reply; I have a draft email ready to send to the Embassy in Dubai if there is no word by tomorrow, asking for any news they have about accidents or arrests involving Kyrgyzstan citizens.

Please pray for her well-being.


Posted by: deccie

GG, I was in Dubai a month ago and Russian speakers seemed to be very prevalent. At least at the airport.

However, I am going to Dubai next week. Contact me off line if you would like assistance.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Thanks, email sent.


Posted by: AkMike

Any news GG2? We're thinking of you and yours....


Posted by: GentleGiant

Good news!!!

She is very tired and upset, but she is alive and well.

If I ever meet the manager of her firm in Dubai I will punch his lights out!!!

I will let you know more when I do, I have told her to get some sleep, that I will phone her tomorrow, and that I love her very much.

Right now I have to contact the embassy and let them know she has been found, call Svetlana and thank her for her help and thank some friends in the military who have been calling their contacts in Dubai all day.
Than you for all the support and offers of help from the forum members.
As soon as I have finished contacting everyone I intend to get blotto, sod my degree course in the morning!!!

i would have called her as soon as I knew she was safe, but I was in the middle of a funeral when the call came; only just got back from taking people home a few minutes ago.


Posted by: AkMike

That is great news! I'm glad that she's safe.


What happened????


Posted by: GentleGiant

From what I have been told she never made it as far as the apartment, she checked in at the company office and they sent her straight out on the road to Abu Dabi (spelling??), no phone, no local currency and no internet, plus she does not speak Arabic.

So far that is all I know, I was in the middle of a funeral when she made contact, and because I had to go straight back to work and then drive my son home I told her to go and sleep.

If you do not hear from me after Christmas it is because I am in a Dubai prison for 1/2 killing whichever twat it was that sent her.


Posted by: AkMike

There are very many RMP members in Adu Dhabi (spammers ) Maybe they'll help you!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Right now I don't know if the manager is a man or a woman, but from what I know so far about what has happened, I will be able to overcome my normal instincts about not hitting woman and plant one on her, if it turns out to be a woman.

perhaps the spammers can sell her some herbal tablet remedies.

!/3 bottle of Chardonney left, taking it in the bath, so no more replies for a few hours :-)


Posted by: GentleGiant

Welllllll ! i am fairly wasted now, feeling rather mellow ( and unable to spell :-) had to go back over this bit 3 times lol).

As her email inbox is full of letters saying how worried i am, I thought I had better send one saying how happy I'm now I know she is well. TBH for the last few days I had 1/2 convinced myself she was lying somewhere with her throat slit. (Just got rid of a slef lol).

Do you think it is wise to tell her how worried I have been? I completely fell apart over the weekend, almost in tears Saturday and Sunday, snapping and yelling at friends.
She does not know I have been using up favours with the military to try and find her, or that I wrote to her embassy; should I tell her?


Posted by: AkMike

I'd keep quite about tall the favors or the embassy calls. Let her know how worried you've been.


Posted by: GentleGiant

too late, I sent it just as the alert about your posting arrived.

Well she will either feel flattered or worried I went over the top.

We will see tomorrow when i call her.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Update.

She is alive but NOT well.

I have swapped a few texts so far today, and am calling her in a two hours time.

She is running a fever, has chest pains and is seeing a doctor right now.

I am looking for tickets to go out tomorrow if she is not feeling better by then.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I hope it's nothing serious GG!!! Take care and I hope she is better soon.


Posted by: GentleGiant

She says she is fine, she didn't see the doctor, she is seeing him tomorrow or else!!). I have told her that if he sends her to hospital I will be flying out!!

She is coughing badly, so the chest pain is a bad chest infection and hopefully nothing more. I did not think to ask if she got immunised before going out, against Hep A, B or Typhoid. I only remembered to book my shots today. i am still thinking in "Bishkek" mode, and it was a health check reminder from the airline booking agent that reminded me to see if I needed anything. My Hep A & B expired several years ago and I do not recall ever having a typhoid one, so I have booked all three, there is also a rabies one, but as I hate injections and know it is not very effective I passed on it.

The Hep B takes months to complete, so I will not be fully protected, but as I have had it before it should act as a booster and give me enough; I will finish the course when I return, it will come in handy for Kyrgyzstan next year.


Posted by: AkMike

I hope that all turns out well and that it's just a cold she got from flying.. I tend to pick up whatever germs are recycled thru the planes vent system.


Posted by: GentleGiant

I suspect it is more than a cold, we are talking about a woman here, they wont admit to being ill until a leg drops off or their temperature goes past 104 F.

Her boss has booked the hospital appointment (another woman), and I don't think she would do so unless she thought T needed to see a doctor.

It could be something she picked up in Bishkek that didn't like the cold and only sprouted when she hit the hot wet air of Dubai, or it may be something she has picked up on the road.
Toxoplasmosis, is one mentioned as being a possible, based on where she is and the symptoms, caused parasites in cat poo amongst others, not usually serious luckily.


Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
I hope that all turns out well and that it's just a cold she got from flying.. I tend to pick up whatever germs are recycled thru the planes vent system.

Staying healthy on a plane.

For so many years people have complained about cold symptoms from flying on a plane. What they don't realize it is not a cold at all. It is prolonged exposure to a low humidity environment. The humidity on planes needs to be kept below 15% because increased humidity causes freezing on key air intakes, and allows for mold to grow in the air system.

To avoid these feeling, you should do the following...
1) Drink plenty of water before and while flying. Small continuous amounts of water, will help keep your throat moist.
2) Use a scarf or surgical type mask to cover your nose and mouth during the flight. Doing so will allow you to re-breath more humid air. The recapturing of moisture from your own breath will reduce the effects of dehydration.
3) If you wear contacts, remove them while flying. Your eyes are the first part of your body to suffer from the low humidity environment. If you must wear contacts while flying use eye drops - straight saline - constantly, to minimize the dryness.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes those 10 hour plane rides really dry out a body. It is why I carry cleaning wipes with me on every trip. They are very refreshing before during and after a flight ... "Don't leave home without them"!


Posted by: GentleGiant

How many do you need to rehydrate your whole body ??!!

Thanks guys some handy advice; I don't want to look all shrivelled and prune like when I get off the plane and walk out to meet her.

(Will baby wet wipes do?? I have tons of those. Can't quite remember why).


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
How many do you need to rehydrate your whole body ??!!

Thanks guys some handy advice; I don't want to look all shrivelled and prune like when I get off the plane and walk out to meet her.

(Will baby wet wipes do?? I have tons of those. Can't quite remember why).

Yes they will work but I don't like the baby/powdery smell. But it could be benificial ... she might try to change your diapers!


Posted by: GentleGiant

i have smelt worse, as the junior in my department when I was a production electrician, I used to have the job of polishing the stainless steel control panels before they were shipped out.

And do you know what is the best thing to polish high grade stainless steel???

Johnson's baby oil !!!!!


Posted by: deccie

When I came back from Dubai last month i had a similar chest infection.

Air conditioners seem to be badly maintained there. Where i was the walls around the air con were covered in mould and mildew. And I was breathing that gunk in.


Posted by: zaniac

Hi GG, tonight I finally got around to reading your thread. Wow, if I'm honest I'm not 100% sure where Kyrygzstan is exactly, but I'm guessing is near Armenia and Georgia. I will check up on this after I post this message.

Thank you for creating this thread, the main story is yet to begin, but you have already sent me from feeling happy emotions to sad, then back to happy emotions once again. I felt relief for you once I read that you had regained contact with your lady. What is the date that you are travelling? I think I got lost a bit on that one

It was good that you gave your personal experience of using Svetlana's of Kyrygzstan. For me I had never heard of it before, but it sounds like you alone are at least getting good service from the lady. She sounds like she's there to help you as a person, not just to take money as a business.

If it's free for the guys then it's a no-brainer, providing the individual (for himself) is able to travel to such a destination. I think if I had found such a site a few years ago, I'd have considered using the service myself, at least as a reason to visit the country.

I will follow your thread with much interest and already feel confident for yourself that it will be a success. However, once you meet in real life it's how you hit it off then which determines the final outcome. Online (letters/email/MSN etc) is one thing, real life is another. Saying that you have shared many calls with Tahmina. Well if I was you, I would be feeling very confident regarding the trip.

Lets just hope her health improves quickly. It cannot be a nice experience being badly ill abroad. I had a cold once in Spain in the middle of a summer heat wave (and felt like the only one n the country with a cold lol), but it does not compare to what she is going through. Best wishes goes out from me to Tahmina, GG.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Hi Zaniac, you are a little out on location :-) Kyrgyzstan is on the Chinese border, next to Kazakhstan. A loooong way; although for some reason the British Post Office claim it is part of Europe, at least for Airmail!!

Yes, the meeting is the crunch, contemplating it terrifies me; I have never been good with meeting women. I am the original foot in mouth guy; after T's letter of introduction, her first reply and my answer were an angry letter asking if I was anti-Muslim, and a grovelling apology.

She is sounding a lot better on the phone tonight, still coughing badly, but her voice sounds better, she has more energy and is starting to laugh at me again.

This is good news because I have always worked on the principle that, if you get a girl laughing enough, she will not have the energy to run away.

I am upset to discover one thing though, she is allergic to honey !! All my best cures for illness include copious amounts of the stuff!!!


To speed her recovery I will take the next-best-thing with me, some home made chocolate fudge cake. There are few things that lashings of chocolate will not cure ( other than obesity obviously).

Svetlana, the owner of svetlanasbrides is starting to treat me like a favourite, distant relative, she has started asking me advice on citizenship and work placements for her daughter, who is studying in the UK.

17 days, 20 hours, and 18 minutes till take off.


Posted by: zaniac

I have to admit I viewded the site a minute ago, to see if it would tell me where the country was on this planet. How Svetlana goes about running the business seems good and it did kind of make me think about the idea of going to the country as it is next to Turkmenistan (and I know where that is lol). I remember how in Turkmenistan, they don't get many tourists and that kind of sent a ding in my brain.

I'd be tempted to join such a site, but I did say to myself after Kiev that I would not join such a site anymore for my own personal reasons. I don't know now as I'm typing this out. The thought of a trip to somewhere in which not many of us Brits will have gone is kind of growing on me again. Arrrrrrrrgh, I'm guessing in 10 minutes I will have begun the process of signing up, but I'll try to resist. If your lady is still on that site, I think I found her profile. If it was the case, then I can totally agree her profile pic looks nothing like the pic you uploaded of her hahaha. I guess for the next 30 minutes I'm fighting with my mind not to do it.

Can I just ask GG, do they do direct flights from UK to Bishkek?


Posted by: GentleGiant

BA and a few others from Heathrow, expensive though, Aeroflot and other in-direct flights start from £417.

I have found Svetlana posting her girls on another site "EECL Free Personnels", strangely, the photos she uses there are often much better than the ones on her own site!!

As it is a small agency, and Svetlana personally knows all "her girls", there is little chance of a scammer or GTG.


Posted by: GentleGiant

I spoke to T a hours ago; she is sounding very much better.

The sexy lilt to her voice has returned, and she is talking and laughing without it turning into a hacking cough.

When we said goodnight to each other, she told me she was going to have a shower; now I cant get the image out of my head, and may well have to take a cold one myself!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Duh!! I have had so little sleep the last two nights. every time I close my eyes I see T in the shower; and then I have to get up and take a cold one myself!!

Spoke on the phone today, very poor line; I asked if she was excited about meeting me, or scared I might be a nutter. She answered scared, not because I might be a nutter, but because I might not find her attractive!!!! Have you SEEN her photo?? Pinboy is dehydrated he has drooled so much; and there is a suspicious looking growth of hair on the palms of his hands

Went shopping for some new clothes over the weekend, I have lost so much weight, my trousers wont stay up. Gone from a 42" waist, to a 40" and now a 38" in a matter of 3 months. Shirts are a problem though, XL's are nearly always a bit too small, but XXL's are far to baggy; and I have a thick neck, if I get a shirt where the collar buttons, the shirt hangs like a tent, but a shirt that fits my chest and shoulders wont do up the top button.

Some how I have managed to drop another shoe size as well; I haven't fitted a UK size 11 since I was about 14!!! This time last year I was buying UK size 13. ( a UK 12 is a Euro 48/US 13).

I am seriously asking Lufthansa for a partial refund on my ticket; only about 80% of me is going to fly out to Dubai at this rate.

(Still fcuking HUGE though; I will be happier when I have shed another 15kg).


Posted by: AkMike

LOL, Getting a bit antsy are you GG? That's one way to lose weight but if things work out as good as it sounds you'll have alot of home cooking soon!


Posted by: GentleGiant

I always lose weight when I am in love, I know it sounds strange, but it is true.

1/2 of this weight loss is exercise and the other 1/2 sheer terror!!!

I really want her to like me, I know I look a lot worse in real life than I do in a photo; and the photo is not pretty!!!

After several injuries and accidents starting in 2002, I have not been able to do any real exercise until this year. my weight went from 18 stone to 22 1/2 stone (252 - 315lbs). It is back to just under 20 stone (280lbs) right now. I want to get rid of the fat before I build muscle. I am the type who can build muscle UNDER the fat, and end up looking twice as bad.

As I told her, my arms are good, my legs are good, my chest is OK(ish), but my belly is BAD!.

As the time difference has changed, I cannot call her at my lunchtime and find her home from work; so I am screaming home from work at 6pm to call her. That means I cant go to the pool, so I suppose it will be back to the midnight circuits of Malvern until I fly out; a 7.5 to 10k walk up to the top of Great Malvern, along to top road and back down again, distance depends on what route I take. The trouble with the longer route is it takes me through a nasty council estate. Not so worried about the yobs; I am too big for them to bother, it's all the dog crap on the paths.
At least I ASSUME it is dog crap, we have found human excrement outside the Nursery before now; the fcuking public toilets are 20 feet from our door!!!


Posted by: EasyTarget

GG about the shirts.

I am in a similar situation not because I have a big neck but because I have a long torso. Anyways...the solution I found was a button extender. It is a little metal loop that slips over the top button and there is another button attached to it. So it can extend the neck size 1 or 1.5 inches.

Some department stores have them almost all tailors will have them, but I usually get them from tuxedo rental places. They usually only cost about $0.50 - $1.00, cheaper then an alteration.


Posted by: GentleGiant

I hadn't thought of that, how do they look under a tie??

I actually used to sell them!!!! I still have a packet of the trouser ones lying round here somewhere; I wonder if they would do?

Will look tomorrow, going for a soak in the bath now; mmmm, milk and honey bubble bath.


Posted by: zaniac

Well done GG, dropping 2 sizes in 3 months that's brilliant in my opinion. If I end up going to Brazil in April I think I'll need to drop some weight. Was thinking about jogging on the spot and extending the time i do that every other day. Then again, I thought I'd need to do other stuff as well. I'm not really into gyms and Ican't run around my local field as it's pitch black by the time I get home during the winter


Posted by: GentleGiant

The secret is swim, swim,swim,swim,PANIC!!!!!

If you want to go for basic fitness try searching for the "5BX Plan" using Google; and it is available as a free download somewhere, but I cant remember where.

The work charts go from 1 to 5, the the upper parts of chart 1 = the fitness level of a 5 y/o and the upper levels of chart 5 = Olympic Athlete.
You start at the bottom of chart 1 and work your way up slowly until you reach the level you want; I am currently as fit as a 5 y/o!!!

It was designed to keep aircrew fit while in fallout shelters, so all you need is enough room to lie down and stand.


Posted by: EasyTarget

GG: You can't see the button extenders when wearing a tie. Actually you need a tie to hide them. If your not wearing a tie, you leave your top button, unbuttoned.


Posted by: EasyTarget

Zan: If your not into gyms you can always do situps, pushups, leglifts in your room, while watching television, or listening to the radio. Building muscle increases metabolism, which aids in weight loss. Jogging in place is less then ideal since you have very little resistance, and you will need to jog twice as long as traditional jogging, but better than doing nothing.

Best way to build endurance -- jump rope. There is a reason why every boxer jumps rope. Builds your endurance, very quickly!!! If you can jump rope for 20 minutes you are in pretty good shape, and most likely will be sweating profusely.


Posted by: GentleGiant

The 5bx plan includes everything you can do without equipment, and it is structured so you don't hurt yourself by doing too much too soon. When you reach charts 3-4 you will be doing push-ups, sit-ups, and several warm up exercises, as well as a choice of running, walking, or jogging on the spot with added scissor jumps.
Even doing the run at the level for 5 y/o's leaves me out of breath, but that might be because I am shouting out the count to the children as we jog.


Posted by: stevo

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaniac
I'm not really into gyms and Ican't run around my local field as it's pitch black by the time I get home during the winter

Have a look on eBay for "cap light" under Sporting Goods - five bright LEDs in a plastic housing that clips onto a baseball cap. If you're talking about an actual field, though, I'd probably be put off by the underfoot conditions in the dark (not to mention the sheer, raw terror).


Posted by: EasyTarget

Here is a link to the 5BX plan. You can download a .pdf -- it is only 18 pages long.

http://www.gettingfitagain.com/5bx.php

Good combination of aerobic and anaerobic exercise. I like that the plan is designed so that you can do it at home, no special equipment is required.


Posted by: GentleGiant

thanks Easy, I have the xbx version bookmarked, but not the 5bx, which is on a different site.

If anyone wants the xbx for their lady.......


Posted by: deccie

GG, I am just about to fly out of Dubai. I'm at the airport right now. But I wanted to mention to you that I found a russian club/restaraunt/caberet show in Dubai. It's all you can eat (and drink) for 200 Dirham. (about 40 euro) per person. I drageed some friends along to it two nights ago and we had a great time. Great russian food, vodka, beer and the russian dancing girls were great too!

I'll send you the details but there seemed to be a lot of russians in attendance there. One hint dress shoes - no sneakers/sandals allowed.
it was great night out for all. I'll post photos in the gallery when I get home.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I hope you ahve photos of the Russian dancing girls! I saw some in Sochi and Kiev .... WOW!!!


Posted by: Raspberry

I finally got to check out this site. It is very informative about the culture and related things, and it appears that Svetlana is an honest businesswoman.

However, the women on this site are not to my taste and liking, sad to say.
Granted, looking like a "model" is not a requirement, and I am over 50, but I am not into the "matronly" look in women--even if they are 26 years old.

Plus, many of the women are Muslim or Athiest, and that would present a clash in some lifestyle issues, in the future.

So, this not a place I would personally go to find a woman. But I do admire the thought and the ethics that Svetlana has presented in the site.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Well it IS a Muslim country after all, I suspect many of the "Atheists" are actually Muslims who don't want to put off Christian men.

I will admit though, Svetlana does not take good photos, and as I said earlier, the photos she uses to promote her girls on ECCL personals, are mostly far better than the ones she uses on her own site.

As for "matronly", these ladies are looking for someone serious, they have had experience of men who are only interested in their bodies and now want someone better. I think the photos are far more appropriate than the underwear and skimpy bikini shots on many sites.
Good luck with whoever you aim for; whatever site you find them on.


Posted by: Raspberry

I would have to agree with you, GG, as far as the bikini shots go. I appreciate bikini shots as much as the next guy.....but unfortunately, seeing bikinis also gives me the impression that the intentions are not serious.

As for the religion issue, that is interesting. I would think that the Muslim woman would just leave it blank, or say "other", instead of specifically
saying "Athiest".

I am looking at my own lifestyle, and visualize how it would mesh with a woman......I don't think I could feel comfortable opening up *ONE* beer, or playing my guitar in front of them. Yet many other aspects of my life are even more conservative than most American men.

Again, who knows? I went through a few pages, and didn't look at every single woman on the site. But not likely.

By the same token, I have looked at Kiev Connections, which is more "westernized" by comparison, and the women have more of a fashion sense, yet relatively few ladies grab my interest.

Although I won't find my wife at Svetlana's or at KC, I do have a lot of respect for both Svetlana and Bret for running good ethical operations.

And, yes, good luck to everyone on their search!! I hope all of you can find your special lady!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Thanks for that Raspberry.

A quick update, I am leaving for the airport in a few hours.

It has not been an easy week, T broke her phone 2 weeks ago and cannot afford a new one because she has not been paid; and on Friday she has a BIG row with her boss and is now looking for a new job.

So we have only been able to talk when she can borrow a friend's phone; everything else has been by text; very frustrating.

We were hoping T would be able to meet me at the airport, but she has been told she has to finish and hand in all documentation for her job as she is quitting, so she will not be free until late tomorrow afternoon ( my flight lands 06:10).

I am a little concerned about how things will go, I know she is short of money ( I have sent her another $100 walk-about money), but she has not read her email since arriving in Dubai; and I have sent her quite a few long ones when we have been out of contact because of her being out of town; and her voice takes a down-turn in pitch when she knows it is me on the phone; I dont know if this is her relaxing (its Ian!), because it is not a work call, or if she is losing interest in me.

Prior to the big row with her boss she was trying to get all her contracts completed, so we could spend more time together; but even this may not mean anything; Lera did the same in Kaluga last year, and she obviously didn't have that much interest in me, even though she came over every day and spent time with me.

Does anyone remember my young friend Katja??@ she was in Abu Dhabi last week; I wish she had told me because T was as well!! I could have arranged a meeting and gotten her opinion of T.
Or perhaps not; since I told Katja about meeting T, she has been sending me high quality pictures of herself looking very pretty, and warning me about foreign women!! jealous perhaps?


Last minute nerves?? For Sure!!!

Perhaps meeting her at the apartment will be for the best, I will have a chance to clean up and wont look so tired and "crumpled" after the long flight.

Because of my degree course I am taking a lot of paperwork and a "Lappy" with me, so I will post another update in a few days; perhaps a photo or two as well.

Before I leave I would like to thank everyone who has left a comment on Tahmina's picture. it is a sad fact that everyone I work with has said EXACTLY the same thing when they saw that picture "She is gorgeous!! Has she seen your photo??".
Thats western women for you, just cant help being *****y

In case I cannot connect the lappy ( never tried before), I wish everyone a Merry Christmas with your better (FSU), halves.


Posted by: Chrismc

Happy Christmas GG and I am sure everything will go well for you this next week or so, I hope you and the lovely 'T' gel.

I leave myself in a few days, so I know how excited you will be right now.

Chris


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Happy Holdays to you too GG. I hope all goes well.

Take care and have a safe flight.


Posted by: GentleGiant

Journey report Dubai.

Well, I managed to arrive just at the start of Eid; I thought it was Thursday, not Wednesday!! So all the shops are shut; I will be relying on the hotel for food and drink for the next few days instead of doing my own cooking etc.

I haven’t even got tea or coffee in the room; other than that the room is a good size and well equipped (King size bed !).

My biggest problem has been so far is contacting T; my mobile refusing to receive a signal from either of the local networks despite being quad band; I have been told I need a local sim card….. but all the shops are shut!!!

I landed at 6am but did not manage to talk to T until 6:30pm; hopefully she will be able to come over in a while, we did not talk for long because she is still travelling back to Dubai.

At least I have managed to talk to her, I was getting worried she had changed her mind about meeting me; after Russia last year I expect anything to happen.

Internet access is fairly cheap, about $4 per hour, but they sell access either in 1 hour blocks or 1 day blocks, seems a bit silly; surely there are better ways; cant they just take the record of my log in times and put it on my bill the same way they do for the phone??

Anyway, I will write all my letters and this review then pay for 1 hour to upload them all and check my mail/forum postings etc.

I am staying at Pearl Residence Hotel Apartments in Bur Dubai; not the cheapest place in town but I wanted an apartment so there would be no problems with T staying over if she wanted.

The rooms have UK sockets, which was a surprise, no need for the adapters I packed, and the quietest aircon I have come across, although it is a bit slow in adjusting the room temperature; I have an ensuite and a “guest” bathroom and a good kitchenette with fridge-freezer, oven and microwave, and an iron/ironing board.

The only real disappointment is the TV, for the money I expected something a litte better than a 20” CRT with very limited connectivity; I wanted to hook up my laptop (lappy), and use it as a dvd player, but I will have to search for a “S” vid to AV cable.

I have just spoken again to T, she is stuck out of town until sometime tomorrow, even that is not certain, so I will have to tell you how our first meeting goes another time.



Day 2

Still no T, I went out and managed to find someone who would sell me a sim card AND get it activated before Saturday. I tried to call T but no reply, so I went window shopping.
About 500m from the apartments is a street known as “Computer Street”; at a guess I would say that 70% of the shops are selling PC’s, laptops or components!! There are two shopping arcades where 90% of the shops are PC related; one had a cloths store and a few food stalls and the other had a few trinket stalls and a McDonalds.

I have probably walked every street within a 3km radius of the apartment, the Indian residents are crazy, you see them cycling the wrong way down dual carriageways and the drivers all think they are in a grand prix, I don’t know why the government bothers with lane markings because no-one takes any notice of them.

I thought that all the horn blowing was just bad manners until I realised a lot of it was from Taxi drivers; if they see someone walking who looks like a tourist they toot as they come up to you, to see if you want a ride.

Tuesday, late afternoon; I finally got a text from T saying she would be back mid- evening, so I went back to my rooms and spruced myself up. At about 8pm I get another text saying she has to stay out of town and will be back early tomorrow; I am starting to get bad feelings about this.

I sit down and write my first day report but have not yet got around to buying internet access, so I will write until I am up to date before connecting.

Day three

The breakfast here is very good, all you can eat buffet, cereals, a variety of English and Indian hot foods, toast, croissants, tea, coffee and fruit juices.

I call T at 10am to see when she will arrive,,,, and get told she has not yet left Au Dhabi, she will be starting back at about 1pm and will call me when she is back in Dubai.
I am now getting upset, I have been here for nearly ½ my stay and still I have not seen her, I have a very bad feeling she is avoiding me. She told me before I left the UK that she had cleared her workload so that she could spend the whole time with me.

4pm, I call to ask where she is “Not back yet”
6pm, “trying to find taxi”
8pm “not feeling well, gone to lie down”
10pm “waiting for taxi to arrive”

Finally at 11pm she shows up; she is dressed like the w***** in the local bar and seems to know exactly what to say to the door staff to be let in; she even has a photocopy of her passport for them. This is not the shy Muslim woman I have been writing to.
I escort her up to my rooms after offering to sit in the hotel lounge with her, other than “hello Ian” all she says is that she is tired and has a headache. I offering her a drink, tea, fruit juice, etc, but all she wants is water, so I get a fresh bottle and sit down with he on the couch. She sits there as I try to talk to her and treats it as a business meeting, no show of emotion, no sign she is pleased to meet me at last.
I give her a few small presents I have for her, but decide to keep the more expensive ones back, I now have a very, very bad feeling about this.
After about 20 minutes of attempted small talk and a few comments about the lovely silk scarf she falls asleep and slumps onto my shoulder!!??!!

So I sit there with her resting against me and wonder what the w**** I am doing here when I could be with Zheng in China.

After about 30 minutes her phone goes off and wakes her, she answers it and say she must go home, trouble with her room mate; and says she will see me tomorrow. She gets up, packs my gifts into her bag and leaves.

Day four into day six

I doubt if this is a surprise to you by now, but she doesn’t turn up, or call; I go to the beach for the morning; and get thoroughly sun burnt (it is stronger that it feels), I am still hurting 2 days later as I write this.
The beaches are very good quality and the water is clear, clean and warm, not much cooler than my local pool, I spent about 2 hours swimming and collecting shells for my kindergarten group. There were lots of amazingly attractive women and an unbelievable number of them were speaking Russian, I never heard one other “English” English speaker; a German couple and a lot of Punjabi; and I thought I heard an American accent at one point, but it may have been a couple of the Russians talking to an Indian woman.

I spend the evening and the following morning with her sending excuse after excuse until I lose all patience with her and go to the bar at the Ramada and talk to the Russian speaking w*****; at least they are prepared to act friendly, even if you aren’t buying.

Start to drown my sorrows in Vodka and then get fed tequila by a drunken Arab as well, and when I cant stand vodka or tequila any longer I start on cider. By 2am on the 6th day I am bladdered, a feeling I have never enjoyed; and I managed to upset a rather nice girl by slapping her on the ass as she went past; tonight I will try to find her and apologise, and buy her and her friend a drink if they will accept one from me.

The shame made me stop drinking, and by the time I got back to the apartment around 4am I was, if not sober, at least in control again; I was still unsteady on my feet when I went down from breakfast 4 hours later, oh, and peeing every 10 minutes, I drank a LOT of water between 2 and 4 am!!

Day six

I am feeling very sorry for myself, no headache or after affects from the drinking, but I am still not ready to admit that the lovely woman I have spent 6 months writing to is a w****; or if not a w****, then not a very nice person. I am debating whether or not to go out and pick up the nice Kazakhstani w**** I was talking to last night; I do not want to spend another night alone in this apartment. I am not going to tell you if I do or not; but I have only 2 more days here and I am unlikely to meet anyone nice in that time; I would guess that 80% of the women at the bar and clubs I went to last night, who were not working behind the bar, were w*****; I may have been bladdered, but I was not unaware of them; at least three approached me, including a stunningly beautiful black girl I wanted to bundle up and bring home with me.

I am feeling very hurt and upset, I do not know if I have any trust or respect left for a woman after the way I have been treated over the past few days. I have never even considered a w**** before, but tonight? Maybe

.tbc


Posted by: GoingToRussia

WOW, sorry to hear things didn't work out. I think you need to re-think your opinion of women.


Posted by: blucatz

Is there any type of black list you can put this lady's name on so that other men can be warned about her? I know I would be really pissed if this happend to me and would be looking towards the ladies of the evening for some sort of company.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Come on guys, let's stop using the "w" word. Younger people may be reading this.


Posted by: royalpalace774

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant2
Journey report Dubai.

Well, I managed to arrive just at the start of Eid; I thought it was Thursday, not Wednesday!! So all the shops are shut; I will be relying on the hotel for food and drink for the next few days instead of doing my own cooking etc.

I haven’t even got tea or coffee in the room; other than that the room is a good size and well equipped (King size bed !).

My biggest problem has been so far is contacting T; my mobile refusing to receive a signal from either of the local networks despite being quad band; I have been told I need a local sim card….. but all the shops are shut!!!

I landed at 6am but did not manage to talk to T until 6:30pm; hopefully she will be able to come over in a while, we did not talk for long because she is still travelling back to Dubai.

At least I have managed to talk to her, I was getting worried she had changed her mind about meeting me; after Russia last year I expect anything to happen.

Internet access is fairly cheap, about $4 per hour, but they sell access either in 1 hour blocks or 1 day blocks, seems a bit silly; surely there are better ways; cant they just take the record of my log in times and put it on my bill the same way they do for the phone??

Anyway, I will write all my letters and this review then pay for 1 hour to upload them all and check my mail/forum postings etc.

I am staying at Pearl Residence Hotel Apartments in Bur Dubai; not the cheapest place in town but I wanted an apartment so there would be no problems with T staying over if she wanted.

The rooms have UK sockets, which was a surprise, no need for the adapters I packed, and the quietest aircon I have come across, although it is a bit slow in adjusting the room temperature; I have an ensuite and a “guest” bathroom and a good kitchenette with fridge-freezer, oven and microwave, and an iron/ironing board.

The only real disappointment is the TV, for the money I expected something a litte better than a 20” CRT with very limited connectivity; I wanted to hook up my laptop (lappy), and use it as a dvd player, but I will have to search for a “S” vid to AV cable.

I have just spoken again to T, she is stuck out of town until sometime tomorrow, even that is not certain, so I will have to tell you how our first meeting goes another time.



Day 2

Still no T, I went out and managed to find someone who would sell me a sim card AND get it activated before Saturday. I tried to call T but no reply, so I went window shopping.
About 500m from the apartments is a street known as “Computer Street”; at a guess I would say that 70% of the shops are selling PC’s, laptops or components!! There are two shopping arcades where 90% of the shops are PC related; one had a cloths store and a few food stalls and the other had a few trinket stalls and a McDonalds.

I have probably walked every street within a 3km radius of the apartment, the Indian residents are crazy, you see them cycling the wrong way down dual carriageways and the drivers all think they are in a grand prix, I don’t know why the government bothers with lane markings because no-one takes any notice of them.

I thought that all the horn blowing was just bad manners until I realised a lot of it was from Taxi drivers; if they see someone walking who looks like a tourist they toot as they come up to you, to see if you want a ride.

Tuesday, late afternoon; I finally got a text from T saying she would be back mid- evening, so I went back to my rooms and spruced myself up. At about 8pm I get another text saying she has to stay out of town and will be back early tomorrow; I am starting to get bad feelings about this.

I sit down and write my first day report but have not yet got around to buying internet access, so I will write until I am up to date before connecting.

Day three

The breakfast here is very good, all you can eat buffet, cereals, a variety of English and Indian hot foods, toast, croissants, tea, coffee and fruit juices.

I call T at 10am to see when she will arrive,,,, and get told she has not yet left Au Dhabi, she will be starting back at about 1pm and will call me when she is back in Dubai.
I am now getting upset, I have been here for nearly ½ my stay and still I have not seen her, I have a very bad feeling she is avoiding me. She told me before I left the UK that she had cleared her workload so that she could spend the whole time with me.

4pm, I call to ask where she is “Not back yet”
6pm, “trying to find taxi”
8pm “not feeling well, gone to lie down”
10pm “waiting for taxi to arrive”

Finally at 11pm she shows up; she is dressed like the w***** in the local bar and seems to know exactly what to say to the door staff to be let in; she even has a photocopy of her passport for them. This is not the shy Muslim woman I have been writing to.
I escort her up to my rooms after offering to sit in the hotel lounge with her, other than “hello Ian” all she says is that she is tired and has a headache. I offering her a drink, tea, fruit juice, etc, but all she wants is water, so I get a fresh bottle and sit down with he on the couch. She sits there as I try to talk to her and treats it as a business meeting, no show of emotion, no sign she is pleased to meet me at last.
I give her a few small presents I have for her, but decide to keep the more expensive ones back, I now have a very, very bad feeling about this.
After about 20 minutes of attempted small talk and a few comments about the lovely silk scarf she falls asleep and slumps onto my shoulder!!??!!

So I sit there with her resting against me and wonder what the **** I am doing here when I could be with Zheng in China.

After about 30 minutes her phone goes off and wakes her, she answers it and say she must go home, trouble with her room mate; and says she will see me tomorrow. She gets up, packs my gifts into her bag and leaves.

Day four into day six

I doubt if this is a surprise to you by now, but she doesn’t turn up, or call; I go to the beach for the morning; and get thoroughly sun burnt (it is stronger that it feels), I am still hurting 2 days later as I write this.
The beaches are very good quality and the water is clear, clean and warm, not much cooler than my local pool, I spent about 2 hours swimming and collecting shells for my kindergarten group. There were lots of amazingly attractive women and an unbelievable number of them were speaking Russian, I never heard one other “English” English speaker; a German couple and a lot of Punjabi; and I thought I heard an American accent at one point, but it may have been a couple of the Russians talking to an Indian woman.

I spend the evening and the following morning with her sending excuse after excuse until I lose all patience with her and go to the bar at the Ramada and talk to the Russian speaking w*****; at least they are prepared to act friendly, even if you aren’t buying.

Start to drown my sorrows in Vodka and then get fed tequila by a drunken Arab as well, and when I cant stand vodka or tequila any longer I start on cider. By 2am on the 6th day I am bladdered, a feeling I have never enjoyed; and I managed to upset a rather nice girl by slapping her on the ass as she went past; tonight I will try to find her and apologise, and buy her and her friend a drink if they will accept one from me.

The shame made me stop drinking, and by the time I got back to the apartment around 4am I was, if not sober, at least in control again; I was still unsteady on my feet when I went down from breakfast 4 hours later, oh, and peeing every 10 minutes, I drank a LOT of water between 2 and 4 am!!

Day six

I am feeling very sorry for myself, no headache or after affects from the drinking, but I am still not ready to admit that the lovely woman I have spent 6 months writing to is a w****; or if not a w****, then not a very nice person. I am debating whether or not to go out and pick up the nice Kazakhstani w**** I was talking to last night; I do not want to spend another night alone in this apartment. I am not going to tell you if I do or not; but I have only 2 more days here and I am unlikely to meet anyone nice in that time; I would guess that 80% of the women at the bar and clubs I went to last night, who were not working behind the bar, were w*****; I may have been bladdered, but I was not unaware of them; at least three approached me, including a stunningly beautiful black girl I wanted to bundle up and bring home with me.

I am feeling very hurt and upset, I do not know if I have any trust or respect left for a woman after the way I have been treated over the past few days. I have never even considered a w**** before, but tonight? Maybe

.tbc



WOW GENTLEGIANT,
I know exactly how you feel & what's going through your head. You can't believe that this is the women you have been speaking to for months. You go all the way across the earth to see a women & she couldn't care less if you were there or not. That is a horrible 1st meeting I have to say. All the effort we put in to try & make something work & hope things will turn out OK. You didn't know that she was going to be like that, so don't blame yourself for any of this. What a let down, to go all the way and to get that kind of treatment.

You know my story and I am still in a slight daze over my ex fiance. There is nothing we can do to make it better. We just got to move on to try & find something better or what we call "THE ONE". I wish you the best & good luck. She even took your presents to her without a care in the world.

That is the kind of women I call a "W" & a LIAR. There is better out there for you . It's just a shame how we have to save up all the cash to make these trips and we don't ever know what the outcome will be. Yeah it's a vacation also but we all know the main reason we go there is to see the women not the city. It's too bad you didn't have a backup plan. I guess in Dubai there might not be much of a back up but I don't know much about the place except there are billionaire oil guys there.

I actually know a young 22 year old girl who lives in my town who goes to Dubai once a year & comes back with over $100,000 in cash on every trip. She has a $100,000 Mercedez Benz paid for & a 1 million dollar condo paid for. She told me she hangs out with sheiks there and they fly here there.

I know what she does to get the money. She obviously has sex with them. She looks like a playboy centerfold. Like Carmen Electra. She is a nice girl but she knows how to use her body for cash.

She told me she went with a sheik into a warehouse & he took her into a room that had American money piled up to the ceiling in plastic bags. Probably hundreds of millions. She said she couldn't believe what she was looking at. It was like mountains of American cash in hundreds & 50's and beyond comprehension. The guy cut open a bag of 1000 dollar bills & told her he was taking her shopping. He grabbed about 200,000 and bought her a few Rolex watches at 20,000 each. She showed me 5 of them.

This girl told me that women are trying to go there because they know of the sheiks that do this. But the sheiks want women who look like Playboy centerfolds. There was even a 60 minutes show on it last year.

Sounds crazy but I witnessed it 1st hand. I haven't seen her in a while. Who knows, maybe she went there & they had enough of her & disposed of her.

I wouldn't be surprised!


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Come on guys, let's stop using the "w" word. Younger people may be reading this.

Sorry GTR, I changed it


Posted by: Jerico

Quote:
Come on guys, let's stop using the "w" word. Younger people may be reading this.


I dont know.
Seems like the "W" word is the best that fits the description from what I read.
Sorry about all your problems GG.
I definately know what your going thru.
These women can be ungratelful and think there all that.
They dont understand how hard it is for most guys to just travel and meet them for an extended period of time.
Much of this attitude comes from watching TV i suspect.
They think Western guys all make lots of money.
To give them 500 dollars is nothing to a rich Western guy.
He is greedy if he does not give her money and buy expensive presents.
They want to be treated like Queens but dont give anything back for it.
I know as I live this right now, for the time being.

Well anyway good luck and sorry to hear your problems.
Jerry


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
ck for it.
I know as I live this right now, for the time being.


Jerry


Jerry???? What is going on? I sure hope you aren't having problems too!
We might not agree on everything but you've been one of my beacons as it were relationship wise. I sure hope everything is ok!


Posted by: deccie

GG, I really sympathise with you.
You showed nothing but concern for this woman when it looked like she was in trouble and this is how it turned out.

All I can say is at least you are lucky you did NOT marry her.

She is the loser in this and NOT you.

I think most of us here have been through at least some of what your going through right now - with FSU women too.

You clearly have a lot to give the right lady - you just have to keep trying to find her.

They are out there you just have to have some method to sort the wheat from the chaff as it were that is not quite so costly both emotionally and financially.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Come on guys, let's stop using the "w" word. Younger people may be reading this.


Have you lost the plot or something GTR? I think the use of the word offends YOUR sensibilities and not those of the younger generation. Does that mean we now need to start posting warnings on individual messages and needing age classifications???


Posted by: Jerico

Quote:
Jerry???? What is going on? I sure hope you aren't having problems too!


Hey Deccie,
I dont want to highjack GG`s thread but ya I am having some problems also unfortunately.

In a perfect world we could visit these woman 10 trips before we decide to marry them.
In a perfect world my government would of allowed her to visit me for more than 3 months before I had to marry her.
Well we dont live in a prefect world and most of us are normal guys who cant afford all the trips.

If I am having problems I guess thats what I get coming to me.
This process of meeting a women is a gamble.
The stakes are high IMO.
I knew what i was getting into.
The stakes were high when I rolled the dice.
Perhaps I just rolled a 7 and craped out. Heh.
Well see.
Jerry


Posted by: goforit

Wow - I have been gone a few days only to come back and get a double dose of bad news in one thread. My heart goes out to you both Jerry and GG - Wow

So then Svetlana doesn't really know her gals, eh?


Posted by: GoeastLJ

GG, very sorry to hear your story. You were so looking forward to meeting this lady only to be treated like this? Some people have no ethics and do not care about others. This is torture of the worst kind.

Nevertheless, I believe we are playing Russian Roulette. There are bad guys on both sides and the biggest task is to match the good ones. The bad ones are so good at what they are doing and they prey on the good ones.

Good luck - there are millions of good ones, and you only need one.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
Have you lost the plot or something GTR? I think the use of the word offends YOUR sensibilities and not those of the younger generation. Does that mean we now need to start posting warnings on individual messages and needing age classifications???

No the word doesn't offend me. Just trying to keep the trash talk down because young people read this forum.

Some people care about the future of our youth ... evidently you do not!


Posted by: Raspberry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerico
Hey Deccie,
I dont want to highjack GG`s thread but ya I am having some problems also unfortunately.

In a perfect world we could visit these woman 10 trips before we decide to marry them.
In a perfect world my government would of allowed her to visit me for more than 3 months before I had to marry her.
Well we dont live in a prefect world and most of us are normal guys who cant afford all the trips.

If I am having problems I guess thats what I get coming to me.
This process of meeting a women is a gamble.
The stakes are high IMO.
I knew what i was getting into.
The stakes were high when I rolled the dice.
Perhaps I just rolled a 7 and craped out. Heh.
Well see.
Jerry


Good points, Jerry, The sad thing, truly, is that the woman cannot come over due to the USA to visit. Meeting your friends and family here can make a difference. They may see problem spots that you may not notice. Also, being in the USA for a visit can at least give the lady a taste of things to come.

If you look at their point of view, they are moving to a country that they never even have been to!! It would be scary for me to do the same!! The restrictive visa policy effectively doesn't let them to come first, to decide if they like America or not......and then "blindy" moving makes it hard on them.

And GG, I am really sorry to see that happen to you. I really feel for you.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
No the word doesn't offend me. Just trying to keep the trash talk down because young people read this forum.

Some people care about the future of our youth ... evidently you do not!


Probably more than you do since I gave more than 10 years of my life to a youth group.


Posted by: blucatz

Come on guys, I took out the "W" word out of my response, you two don't need to get your panties in a bunch over it. Your taking this thread in a totally wrong direction and making it a boxing ring for your petty differences. Chill Out, just agree to disagree and move on.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Deleted on request of members


Posted by: Jerico

Wow GTR , perhaps that comments a little over the line seeing how its being reflected towards Deccie being a youth group leader. Maybe I am reading it wrong.


Posted by: deccie

I place notice here that I find your post deeply offensive.

GTR, you have single handedly managed to take RMP to a new low.

I have NEVER insulted you in such a manner.

I request moderation of your post by the Admin and other moderators.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Yes you read it wrong. I'm only saying that just because he has experience with young people doesn't mean he has their best interests in mind. If he had some sort of degree in child phycology or teaching well that's a different story.

For some reason since I've become a moderator, Deccie has been critising my posts and making personal comments about me. I inored them at first but now I will not.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Yes well I've heard of youth group leaders being child molestors.


So a man who wants the word "w****" removed from a conversation is now quite prepared to mention child molestation in the same thread.
Hmm.

I guess RMP will get some really interesting Google hits from now on GTR.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

There is nothing wrong about mentioning child molestors. I believe children should be warned about these people but apparently you don't.

There are worse things to google on Deccie. I don't think too many people will google child molestor. Pretty weak reply.

Responsed if you must but I'm calling another truCe.


Posted by: GoeastLJ

I am sure you would withdraw this particular assertion, GTR.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
For some reason since I've become a moderator, Deccie has been critising my posts and making personal comments about me. I inored them at first but now I will not.


GTR, right now you are by far the most active moderator on the forum.
It's a bit hard for me to disagree with the other moderators when most aren't around very much. Seems logical to me.

I happen to disagree with some of your moderation decisions and your advice to members.

Last I checked, RMP was still not a place where a single point of view or even a single view of moderation was required to be an active member here.

I think that in taking your advice members should be aware, especially the newbies, that you already have one divorce from an FSU woman under your belt. I think that is pertinent information when judging the worth of advice from someone.

Because of my own relationship situation I tend to stay away from providing relationship advice here.

To think that my disagreements with you go beyond those listed above is to give misplaced importance to my view of you.

My posts in the past and recently tend to be highly vocal. I have both criticised and compilmented members and moderators here. I expect that to continue for so long as I am a member here.

I don't even read the vast majority of your posts I care so little about them.


Posted by: blucatz

All this bickering over the word "w****", pretty sad if you ask me. GTR, maybe you should go back to ignoring Deccie then maybe these threads can go back to the discussions that they were intended for. These pop shots back and forth between you two on this and other threads are getting old.


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
All this bickering over the word "w****"(SLUT, PROSTITUTE), pretty sad if you ask me. GTR, maybe you should go back to ignoring Deccie then maybe these threads can go back to the discussions that they were intended for. These pop shots back and forth between you two on this and other threads are getting old.



Ditto!
Both of you have very good points that add to this forum but you tend to disagree alot. Play nice please.


Is that edited better for you GTR?


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
There is nothing wrong about mentioning child molestors. I believe children should be warned about these people but apparently you don't.


What utter caRp. That is not why you made that post and you know it.
To suggest otherwise is disengenuous.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Responsed if you must but I'm calling another truCe.


Interesting you want to call a truce after hurling one of the vilest insults imaginable. I don't give a damn about your truce. I just want that post either removed or edited like you seem to have edited the replies by two other people.


Posted by: AkMike

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
Ditto!
Both of you have very good points that add to this forum but you tend to disagree alot. Play nice please.




Why was my post edited? I'm not part of this dog fight.. GTR You're over the line.


Posted by: AkMike

GTR;
Since you seem to be in the editing mode today..

Take a serious look at post # 102...
IMO It needs to be changed because it was directed at Deccie!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I was asked by an administrator to change all "w" words. Nothing else was changed.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
GTR;
Since you seem to be in the editing mode today..

Take a serious look at post # 102...
IMO It needs to be changed because it was directed at Deccie!

Post #102 was not directed at Deccie, I was only stating a fact ... http://www.postregister.com/scouts_honor/part1.php. I did not mention Deccie's name in this post.


Posted by: AkMike

I said directed.. And that's what I see.
You two need to chill out towards each other..


Posted by: GoingToRussia

That's what you see but not what I meant, I explained what I meant earlier.

What would you have me change the post to read? If it will make everyone happy and give this thread back to GG then I will do it.


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Post #102 was not directed at Deccie, I was only stating a fact ... http://www.postregister.com/scouts_honor/part1.php. I did not mention Deccie's name in this post.

You may have not mentioned him by name, but you quoted him. That seems "directed" to me. I don't understand why my post was edited either. I did not say the "W" word at all in that post but yet you felt the need to change it.


Posted by: AkMike

Weither you meant it that way or not.. That's the way it comes across.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by blucatz
You may have not mentioned him by name, but you quoted him. That seems "directed" to me. I don't understand why my post was edited either. I did not say the "W" word at all in that post but yet you felt the need to change it.

Your post #110 contained the "w" word so I added asterisks.

Someone tell me what to change my post #102 to read so GG can have his thead back.


Posted by: blucatz

Take it out


Posted by: AkMike

I would'nt worry about GG as much as the other offended party.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Okay, post deleted. Is everyone happy now? Can we give this thread back to GG?


Posted by: AkMike

1 more step left.
Especially on today! "Peace on Earth and goodwill towards men"


Posted by: blucatz

Quote:
Originally Posted by AkMike
1 more step left.
Especially on today! "Peace on Earth and goodwill towards men"

Amen, especially to truck drivers, since they keep this country moving.


Posted by: goforit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Good points, Jerry, The sad thing, truly, is that the woman cannot come over due to the USA to visit. Meeting your friends and family here can make a difference. They may see problem spots that you may not notice. Also, being in the USA for a visit can at least give the lady a taste of things to come.

If you look at their point of view, they are moving to a country that they never even have been to!! It would be scary for me to do the same!! The restrictive visa policy effectively doesn't let them to come first, to decide if they like America or not......and then "blindy" moving makes it hard on them.

And GG, I am really sorry to see that happen to you. I really feel for you.


Raspberry,

All very good points.


Posted by: GentleGiant

WOW, sorry I started this row guys,

I am not sure if she has become a W since coming to Dubai, she changed after arriving here; she stopped responding to letters and after a few weeks claimed her phone was damaged and only accepting text messages; well I proved that one wrong the morning she finally turned up by calling her from a local phone and having her answer it promptly.

I was always a little worried about the job she claimed she was doing; it sounded fairly dodgy in itself. TBh honest, I would not mind too much if that is what she was doing. Dubai is full of FSU and African women working the bars for money; I was talking to one in a local bar who is doing it to pay for her daughters education back home in Kazakhstan; this is the only way many of these women can make money to send home.

Here is the final part of my journey report, there is not much new.

Well, it is late evening Christmas Day; I have spent most of the day watching sad films (Sleepless in Seattle etc) and sad music; I only left my room to have breakfast and about an hour by the rooftop pool trying to read my text books before the sun got too hot.

My sunburn started pealing off in the bath earlier; taking much of my tan with it; I will not have much to remember this trip by.

To be honest I would like to forget it ever happened

I managed to contact T by text again; and tried to get some sense out of her, but after exchanging about 10 texts she still makes no sense, half her excuses contradict the other half. I am surprised she even bothered to reply once, so I was not surprised when she went quiet again; slow hour at work perhaps??

I have deleted all messages to/from her and deleted her numbers from my phone; although it still shows up on the “Last calls” list. In about 30 hours I will be on my way home, and I will throw away the Dubai sim card as well.

When I get home I will delete all emails, contact details and Skype entries and then delete her photos; including the one in the members gallery.

Usually I try to stay friends with women I have met online; but not this time I think.

It means I will have to find a new wallpaper for the PC screen as well.

I don’t know what to do next; I am writing to two other women but this experience has shaken me badly. Twice I have travelled to meet the women I have written to through dating sites in the FSU; and both times I have been shat on from a great height.

I may well bow out of this site for a while and ditch the Ukrainian woman I have been writing to after I send her the PC I promised; that will leave me with Zheng in China.

I have told her that if I decide to meet her, it will not be until next winter; so I have plenty of time to learn about her and think about whether I can cope with being rejected again. As she is Chinese there is nowhere on the site to really discuss her, and few members know much about Chinese culture or marriage values; so I will be on my own with this one.

Right now I feel really down, and do not know if I can even bear to keep writing to her at all; at least Tahmina spoke English; Zheng speaks none and I know no Chinese; it makes Russian look easy!!!!

She sounds like a lovely woman; but so did Valeria and Tahmina (and Natalia, Inna, Irina and Svetlana; the girls who never showed up last year in Russia).

Even the letters from Katja have been getting shorter and less frequent since the summer began.

Svetlana from Svetlana’s Brides has invited me out to meet the rest of her girls but I cannot contemplate that right now. I have written and given her a condensed version of what has happened, but I have not been online to check for any reply yet

I will read any comments made about my last post when I upload this one and try to reply to them; and any to this post; when I have time over the coming weekend.

Ian; sadly signing off from Dubai


Posted by: GentleGiant

look, I am not saying she has become a W, just that she was acting like one; I think she has fallen in with some other FSU people and that is affecting how she is behaving; she was also out of her skull on Red Bull when she got here; but then, that is something else the W's seem to live on over here.

I certainly do not think she was working as one at home; Bishkek is not a big city and Svetlana would have found out.


Posted by: waiting123

Well, I have been asked by a few people to review this thread and make changes as necessary. There seems to be a lot of discussion here over one word. I apologige there is a post that a lot of people are referring to, but it was deleted at multiple requests, so I was unable to read it.

There are some words that carry a very negative conotation, and I see no reason that this thread should have gotten as far off track as it did. The context of the thread was not changed, just a word edited. I see no reason why we should still be discussing this. As far as this instance, I did receive a phone call and was talked to about this word, I had no problem with the edit.

Now as far as the youth guidance issue, I have deleted all quotes and references to this. I am sorry if there was any incenuation to deccie or any other member. I know after speaking to GTR, there was no intention of saying deccie was involved in the actions, GTR just made a simple blanket statement saying that he was aware and has heard of youth guidance counslers being ".........." as we have heard priest and teachers put into this catagory. Now no one is saying that all priests or teachers practice this action.

Deccie, I apologize and am sorry if you feel the cooment was directed to you!

After reading the posts, I agree and see everyones point of view.

There has been comments about mods/admin not being on, trust me, we are here, but we do not post a whole lot, seems to keep a lot of the debates down.

The RMP is a place for everyone to come together and voice opinions, thoughts, experiences, and yes even debates, but we do have to keep in mind our audience.... this is a public forum. Some words will offend some but not others. I have asked the mods to make decisions based on what they feel is the right thing, and if there is no clear cut decision, then we need to discuss changes among additional mods or admin.

So Lets all be friends, and enjoy the holiday spirit!!!!


Posted by: shaun1000

Ian

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

You know I have been to to the Ukraine 5 times now and visited 3 differant women. One was so uncompatiable I didn`t even do a trip report LOL.

From these trips I have learnt many things about myself and become a stronger person. And taken the positives from the trip back home with me.

For me every trip brings me closer to the women I deserve.


Take the posit